The Syndicate

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Fri Jan 11, 2019 10:17 am checking in so i dont get replaced
my b

Nevermind my post lol

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Fri Jan 11, 2019 10:17 am checking in so i dont get replaced
my b

What are your thoughts on this game so far?

sprityo is good.

Elohcin is bad. Her most recent post is a token "look involved" post. Asking the guy who merely checked in what his thoughts are is futile. [VOTE: Elohcin] aubergine

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jan 11, 2019 11:56 am sprityo is good.

Elohcin is bad. Her most recent post is a token "look involved" post. Asking the guy who merely checked in what his thoughts are is futile. [VOTE: Elohcin] aubergine

I thought her tagging onto G's post about me was rather unoriginal as well, but then she tends to be prejudiced against me.

Epi helped turn the thread into an off-topic debate about language. Epi was then antagonistic toward the resumption of gameplay without contributing any fresh reads or opinions himself. Epi is a bowl of chocolate ice cream.

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Jan 11, 2019 12:08 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jan 11, 2019 11:56 am sprityo is good.

Elohcin is bad. Her most recent post is a token "look involved" post. Asking the guy who merely checked in what his thoughts are is futile. [VOTE: Elohcin] aubergine

I thought her tagging onto G's post about me was rather unoriginal as well, but then she tends to be prejudiced against me.

[VOTE: JaggedJimmyJay] aubergine

That's why we hear your music in fast forward
cuz we don't wanna hear that weak shit no mo!

Lol this vote spread

i ain't gonna be here for no deadline and it seems we're not consolidating any votes. i'm having a panic attack.

SMH grasping onto anything you can, I see.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jan 11, 2019 2:20 pm i ain't gonna be here for no deadline and it seems we're not consolidating any votes. i'm having a panic attack.

I recommend a glass of water.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Fri Jan 11, 2019 2:21 pm SMH grasping onto anything you can, I see.

Who/what is this in response to?

Elohcin wrote: ↑Fri Jan 11, 2019 2:21 pm SMH grasping onto anything you can, I see.

What reads do you have so far?

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Jan 11, 2019 2:25 pm

Elohcin wrote: ↑Fri Jan 11, 2019 2:21 pm SMH grasping onto anything you can, I see.

Who/what is this in response to?

The vote on me.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jan 11, 2019 2:52 pm

Elohcin wrote: ↑Fri Jan 11, 2019 2:21 pm SMH grasping onto anything you can, I see.

What reads do you have so far?

none. This game has little substance. It feels like it is still Day 0.

Listed in alphabetical order, these are the people I haven’t seen any reason to trust yet:

-JaggedJimmyJay
-MafiaMenace
-Nutella
-Spacedaisy
-Waywardson

In a game of 12 players, is a list of five in whom you have no trust yet a bad thing?

Elohcin wrote: ↑Fri Jan 11, 2019 3:10 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Jan 11, 2019 2:25 pm

Elohcin wrote: ↑Fri Jan 11, 2019 2:21 pm SMH grasping onto anything you can, I see.

Who/what is this in response to?

The vote on me.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jan 11, 2019 2:52 pm

Elohcin wrote: ↑Fri Jan 11, 2019 2:21 pm SMH grasping onto anything you can, I see.

What reads do you have so far?

none. This game has little substance. It feels like it is still Day 0.

...k. you imply Jay is "grasping" at empty leads but you don't have the guts to say you suspect him? what was the point of saying it then? it wasn't a defense

G-Man wrote: ↑Fri Jan 11, 2019 3:11 pm Listed in alphabetical order, these are the people I haven’t seen any reason to trust yet:

-JaggedJimmyJay
-MafiaMenace
-Nutella
-Spacedaisy
-Waywardson

In a game of 12 players, is a list of five in whom you have no trust yet a bad thing?

Why isn't eloh on this list?

[VOTE: eloh] aubergine She ain't tryin. Complains about being suspected and about the thread having little content but does nothing to address either of these issues.

im here for like 30 min
catching up

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 10, 2019 2:05 am @MafiaMenace

Hello. We’ve never played together before. What can you tell me about yourselves? Where else have you played? What’s your experience and general approach to the game?

ive played on town of salem
mafiascum
mafiauniverse

i have a really aggressive approach to the game so if i get heated thats my excuse

i have roughly 30 games played and a year of experience

im putting catching up on hold
half an hour isnt enough time

Elohcin wrote: ↑Fri Jan 11, 2019 3:10 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jan 11, 2019 2:52 pm

Elohcin wrote: ↑Fri Jan 11, 2019 2:21 pm SMH grasping onto anything you can, I see.

What reads do you have so far?

none. This game has little substance. It feels like it is still Day 0.

Then what's wrong with grasping for things?

The votes are really all over the place but I guess it's still early in the game. Welcome to this site mafiamenace. Unless you're bad .
I dont feel like there is much to go on for elo votes she barely said anything or is that really the argument against her is that she didnt say anything?
Spirit is like super angry for some reason and was a little confusing at times. Is it common to vote non/host as a placeholder? I've seen self voting for that purpose before idk.
Epi focused a lot on that literal argument which seems like it really doesnt have anything to do with the game. Could be a distraction away from any discussion or accusation in his direction.
Others like sloonei and gman seem to be trying to throw things out there to get a discussion going. Though gman made sure to begin the game by stating he is the most vanilla of civs

Reywas is literally all memes and not much actual posting of anything so that doesnt look great. It's like participating without really saying anything? Unless there is some weird inside joke about kanye that I'm not aware of to explain this?

So early in the game hard to decide where to go. I am going to a hockey game tonight so I may not be around a lot for end of day discussion but I'll try to check in if I can. I'm inclined to vote epi or reways at the moment. I'm thinking reways because at least epi is talking even if it was a lot of random things about the language people use. Sorry for the hugely long post just trying to fit all my thoughts into one.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jan 11, 2019 1:49 pm Epi helped turn the thread into an off-topic debate about language. Epi was then antagonistic toward the resumption of gameplay without contributing any fresh reads or opinions himself. Epi is a bowl of chocolate ice cream.

Epi has a special message for you.

sabie12 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 11, 2019 4:59 pm Epi focused a lot on that literal argument which seems like it really doesnt have anything to do with the game. Could be a distraction away from any discussion or accusation in his direction.

What discussion or accusation in my direction?

There wasn't any.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jan 11, 2019 11:56 am sprityo is good.

Elohcin is bad. Her most recent post is a token "look involved" post. Asking the guy who merely checked in what his thoughts are is futile. [VOTE: Elohcin] aubergine

I don't think she makes token "look involved" posts.

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Fri Jan 11, 2019 4:05 pm im here for like 30 min
catching up

3:05pm EST

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Fri Jan 11, 2019 4:12 pm im putting catching up on hold
half an hour isnt enough time

3:12pm EST

That's seven minutes.

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Jan 11, 2019 3:17 pm

G-Man wrote: ↑Fri Jan 11, 2019 3:11 pm Listed in alphabetical order, these are the people I haven’t seen any reason to trust yet:

-JaggedJimmyJay
-MafiaMenace
-Nutella
-Spacedaisy
-Waywardson

In a game of 12 players, is a list of five in whom you have no trust yet a bad thing?

Why isn't eloh on this list?

[VOTE: eloh] aubergine She ain't tryin. Complains about being suspected and about the thread having little content but does nothing to address either of these issues.

Little old me seems to recall more of an over-eager Eloh baddie tell. I don’t pick any of that up so far this game. She may have adjusted her approach to the game. We all do at times. In the absence of what I’ve seen as a baddie tell in the past, I at least extend a neutral +1 to her.

What is a "neutral +1"?


I don't know about specific tells when it comes to eloh but I am often wrong about her so idk.

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Jan 11, 2019 6:20 pm What is a "neutral +1"?


I don't know about specific tells when it comes to eloh but I am often wrong about her so idk.

Like it reads- she’s just a hair to the positive of neutral. The other players not on my list are in the same boat or better. The five I listed are on the negative side of neutral.

G, what has that particular quintet on your naughty list?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Jan 11, 2019 6:27 pm G, what has that particular quintet on your naughty list?

Listing those five with more clarity this time:

-MafiaMenace & Spacedaisy haven’t had time in 72 hours to participate much. I get real life and all, but in a game this small, we can’t afford the no-show routine for very long at all. Neutral -1 for now.

-WaywardSon has 8 posts of fluff that don’t even attempt to engage the actual game element. Uncomfortable.

-JJJ warned us that he wouldn’t be around much but, even taking that into consideration, his content is meh. One cage-rattling line against sprityo and a weak, ivory-toweresque assessment of Eloh followed by a vote. The post and vote on Eloh looks contrived to me. As if he manufactured a Jay-esque enough of a reason to cast a vote far ahead enough of the deadline. Artificial vanilla?

-Nutella for reasons already stated. She went hard for low-hanging fruit in both me and now Eloh.

alright here we go


ive had time but i really didnt know it was going on, i completely forgot about the game since nothing happened for weeks

I wouldn't say I've gone hard for anything yet.

alright i second whoever said theres nothing rn to base a read off of

[mention]G-Man[/mention]
you cannot scumread someone on being absent, thats complete bullshit

Elohcin wrote: ↑Fri Jan 11, 2019 3:10 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jan 11, 2019 2:52 pm

Elohcin wrote: ↑Fri Jan 11, 2019 2:21 pm SMH grasping onto anything you can, I see.

What reads do you have so far?

none. This game has little substance. It feels like it is still Day 0.

this

i wholeheartedly agree

its complete garbage to say someone is untrustworthy and possibly scum just because they havent showed up

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Fri Jan 11, 2019 6:52 pm its complete garbage to say someone is untrustworthy and possibly scum just because they havent showed up

I'd agree with you if it was about someone who literally (heh) hadn't checked in yet, but when that person has at least been online and posted once to acknowledge the game has started but hasn't participated substantially since, there is a reasonable cause for concern.

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Jan 11, 2019 6:55 pm

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Fri Jan 11, 2019 6:52 pm its complete garbage to say someone is untrustworthy and possibly scum just because they havent showed up

I'd agree with you if it was about someone who literally (heh) hadn't checked in yet, but when that person has at least been online and posted once to acknowledge the game has started but hasn't participated substantially since, there is a reasonable cause for concern.

they explicitly stated that i was untrustworthy before i said a word
and that i also didnt have time to check in, yet still scumread me even though they assumed that

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Fri Jan 11, 2019 6:58 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Jan 11, 2019 6:55 pm

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Fri Jan 11, 2019 6:52 pm its complete garbage to say someone is untrustworthy and possibly scum just because they havent showed up

I'd agree with you if it was about someone who literally (heh) hadn't checked in yet, but when that person has at least been online and posted once to acknowledge the game has started but hasn't participated substantially since, there is a reasonable cause for concern.

they explicitly stated that i was untrustworthy before i said a word
and that i also didnt have time to check in, yet still scumread me even though they assumed that

Why should you be trustworthy before you've said anything?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Jan 11, 2019 7:02 pm

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Fri Jan 11, 2019 6:58 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Jan 11, 2019 6:55 pm

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Fri Jan 11, 2019 6:52 pm its complete garbage to say someone is untrustworthy and possibly scum just because they havent showed up

I'd agree with you if it was about someone who literally (heh) hadn't checked in yet, but when that person has at least been online and posted once to acknowledge the game has started but hasn't participated substantially since, there is a reasonable cause for concern.

they explicitly stated that i was untrustworthy before i said a word
and that i also didnt have time to check in, yet still scumread me even though they assumed that

Why should you be trustworthy before you've said anything?

but how would i be unstrustworthy?
i literally cant be either since i havent made a post

Wait who said it before you had arrived and where?

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Fri Jan 11, 2019 7:03 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Jan 11, 2019 7:02 pm

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Fri Jan 11, 2019 6:58 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Jan 11, 2019 6:55 pm

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Fri Jan 11, 2019 6:52 pm its complete garbage to say someone is untrustworthy and possibly scum just because they havent showed up

I'd agree with you if it was about someone who literally (heh) hadn't checked in yet, but when that person has at least been online and posted once to acknowledge the game has started but hasn't participated substantially since, there is a reasonable cause for concern.

they explicitly stated that i was untrustworthy before i said a word
and that i also didnt have time to check in, yet still scumread me even though they assumed that

Why should you be trustworthy before you've said anything?

but how would i be unstrustworthy?
i literally cant be either since i havent made a post

Trust is something that must be earned. If you have not earned any trust, then you are by default untrustworthy.

Every person in here right now is untrustworthy to me.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Jan 11, 2019 7:10 pm

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Fri Jan 11, 2019 7:03 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Jan 11, 2019 7:02 pm

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Fri Jan 11, 2019 6:58 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Jan 11, 2019 6:55 pm

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Fri Jan 11, 2019 6:52 pm its complete garbage to say someone is untrustworthy and possibly scum just because they havent showed up

I'd agree with you if it was about someone who literally (heh) hadn't checked in yet, but when that person has at least been online and posted once to acknowledge the game has started but hasn't participated substantially since, there is a reasonable cause for concern.

they explicitly stated that i was untrustworthy before i said a word
and that i also didnt have time to check in, yet still scumread me even though they assumed that

Why should you be trustworthy before you've said anything?

but how would i be unstrustworthy?
i literally cant be either since i havent made a post

Trust is something that must be earned. If you have not earned any trust, then you are by default untrustworthy.

Every person in here right now is untrustworthy to me.

you cant just say "by default"
you have to judge someones character and make a read on them before they can be trustworthy or untrustworthy

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Fri Jan 11, 2019 7:16 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Jan 11, 2019 7:10 pm

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Fri Jan 11, 2019 7:03 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Jan 11, 2019 7:02 pm

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Fri Jan 11, 2019 6:58 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Jan 11, 2019 6:55 pm

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Fri Jan 11, 2019 6:52 pm its complete garbage to say someone is untrustworthy and possibly scum just because they havent showed up

I'd agree with you if it was about someone who literally (heh) hadn't checked in yet, but when that person has at least been online and posted once to acknowledge the game has started but hasn't participated substantially since, there is a reasonable cause for concern.

they explicitly stated that i was untrustworthy before i said a word
and that i also didnt have time to check in, yet still scumread me even though they assumed that

Why should you be trustworthy before you've said anything?

but how would i be unstrustworthy?
i literally cant be either since i havent made a post

Trust is something that must be earned. If you have not earned any trust, then you are by default untrustworthy.

Every person in here right now is untrustworthy to me.

you cant just say "by default"
you have to judge someones character and make a read on them before they can be trustworthy or untrustworthy

I can say whatever I like. I'm eccentric.

If someone is not yet trustworthy, it means that person is not worthy of trust. Not trustworthy = Not worthy of trust = Untrustworthy

You cannot be neither trustworthy or untrustworthy. You will always be, by definition, one or the other.

I swear y'all bait me into this.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Jan 11, 2019 7:22 pm

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Fri Jan 11, 2019 7:16 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Jan 11, 2019 7:10 pm

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Fri Jan 11, 2019 7:03 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Jan 11, 2019 7:02 pm

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Fri Jan 11, 2019 6:58 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Jan 11, 2019 6:55 pm

I'd agree with you if it was about someone who literally (heh) hadn't checked in yet, but when that person has at least been online and posted once to acknowledge the game has started but hasn't participated substantially since, there is a reasonable cause for concern.

they explicitly stated that i was untrustworthy before i said a word
and that i also didnt have time to check in, yet still scumread me even though they assumed that

Why should you be trustworthy before you've said anything?

but how would i be unstrustworthy?
i literally cant be either since i havent made a post

Trust is something that must be earned. If you have not earned any trust, then you are by default untrustworthy.

Every person in here right now is untrustworthy to me.

you cant just say "by default"
you have to judge someones character and make a read on them before they can be trustworthy or untrustworthy

I can say whatever I like. I'm eccentric.

If someone is not yet trustworthy, it means that person is not worthy of trust. Not trustworthy = Not worthy of trust = Untrustworthy

You cannot be neither trustworthy or untrustworthy. You will always be, by definition, one or the other.

I swear y'all bait me into this.

yes i can
since i literally havent posted
you cannot form an opinion on me
i cannot be either trustworthy or untrustworthy because i literally was not here
that makes no sense

MM, epi is just arguing semantics don't worry he's like that. The difference is whether you interpret "un-" to mean purely negative or as negative-or-zero.

If you go to the bank for a loan, and you have no credit history, the bank might tell you that you don't have creditworthiness.

"But I haven't done anything to have good or bad credit."

Correct. And for that reason, you lack creditworthiness in the eyes of the loan officer.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Jan 11, 2019 7:46 pm If you go to the bank for a loan, and you have no credit history, the bank might tell you that you don't have creditworthiness.

"But I haven't done anything to have good or bad credit."

Correct. And for that reason, you lack creditworthiness in the eyes of the loan officer.

thats a shitty comparison
this is mafia
not any of that stuff

I changed my vote to Sloonei because I don't like his vote for Epi.