The Syndicate

Tutu is the change we want to see in the world tbh

Urist wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 9:53 amAlison's town

uh this was the start of me saying "Alison's town read on proto is iffy", I don't think that Alison is town

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 4:49 ami will need to eat breakfast first and focus.

IhaveburiedthecoffeetellIhaveburiedthecoffeetell.
Also, literally drinking coffee myself. =p

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 5:42 am And I think Dizzy is probably town as well. That read is the one I'm least confident on but I liked the interaction with cobbler. Can anyone with a townread on Urist talk to me about them?

Eh I probably shouldn't town read Urist as I have no reference for how they play. I think I just liked they were there.

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 6:41 am

protocultures wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 4:03 am (snip)
Dizzy, LC, or Tutuu might point to this and say "hes playing different froim last game, outted mafia". I dont think town Dizzy, LC, or Tutuu would do that and recognise the game type is substantially different.
(snip)

i tr the first sentence. i feel like this pre-emptive focus on oneself usually comes from town more so than scum ime. or like at least being genuine about it. and maybe im confbiasing for the second sentence, but i wanna tr it too since its kind of a contradiction with the first sentence (towny contradiction). like first sentence is showing self-awareness that it might happen, and then in the second sentence i feel like proto more so meant that dizzy lc and tutuu SHOULDNT scumread proto for the different style, not that they wouldnt do so (which is again imo contradiction with the first sentence) and i townread these kinda stuff since it probably means its genuine and not manufactured

This is a lot of words I don't particularly follow sorry. Don't know if I have to.

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 6:48 am I feel like if proto was scum here he'd just play the way people expect him to play rather than going "I am deviating from my play in Space Invaders and here's why". It's not like it's a hard playstyle to fake.

I actually think he's coming across pretty similar. Like, hee's Proto. If the point he's making is more so that he won't do tons of math analysis, then duh, this is obviously not the game for that. That type of self awareness is kind of not great imo

protocultures wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 7:46 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 1:37 am Also, it means we can speed lynch Proto when D1 starts, so that's pretty cool.

"If there is any beef you better bring it to me with a knife and fork"

Nah, I was just setting the table. You can choose the dishes!

protocultures wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 7:56 am@Alison can you confirm dizzy's meta for having a bunch of early townreads as town? Thoughts on likelihood dizzy is faking a bunch of early townreads to be consistent with this established meta?

Hally should've played this game lol. They are a literal Dyslexiconlexicon =p

Urist wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 9:46 am

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 9:45 am What does this mean?

the words tutuu chooses to use seem like they were chosen by town

Can you be more specific? What words?

I feel Tutu is probably town? I like the sentiment of wanting to have good reads and wanting to be correct about things. I do have the feeling that she's a type of player who's rather good at having a similar tone as both alignments, but that's basically a guess. How would you describe your scum play, Tutu?

Alison/Proto would be my favorite and not impossible tbh tbh

I don't know what to think about Proto going on a tirade about whether I would kill him N1. That is just strange. Does scum do that?

A player can do that as scum or town.

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 10:14 am A player can do that as scum or town.

Yes. Good. And what do you feel is the case for Proto? Do you have any feels so far? I know you said you were going to chill on D0, but since you're here and the table is set?

The actual reason I'm reading MP as town is just the excitement I felt when he was writing in all caps to me. It just felt genuine to me. It's been a curse that we have randed different alignments for about any game we've played, which is a horrible curse and I'm really hoping that this is the game we're both town. I don't think he's outside any range with his other posts, but I want to go with that good feeling right now.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 10:16 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 10:14 am A player can do that as scum or town.

Yes. Good. And what do you feel is the case for Proto? Do you have any feels so far? I know you said you were going to chill on D0, but since you're here and the table is set?

Watch out for m plus 7, she can fake emotion expertly and is not above using it to manipulate you.

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 10:25 am

Watch out for m plus 7, she can fake emotion expertly and is not above using it to manipulate you.

Ok. I know. And she shouldn't be. I just want to belieeeeve

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 9:54 am Tutu is the change we want to see in the world tbh

ily

dizzy town cuz hes nice to me

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 10:06 am I feel Tutu is probably town? I like the sentiment of wanting to have good reads and wanting to be correct about things. I do have the feeling that she's a type of player who's rather good at having a similar tone as both alignments, but that's basically a guess. How would you describe your scum play, Tutu?

i dunno i try to play the same as town. again, its been literally years since i played scum i forgot

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 10:07 am Alison/Proto would be my favorite and not impossible tbh tbh

wait ur scumreading alison and proto?

i read all of ur posts on this page and i didnt get this impression. hm maybe i misunderstood? r u scumreading them?

oh or did u mean favorite scum style?

Urist wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 9:46 am

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 9:45 am What does this mean?

the words tutuu chooses to use seem like they were chosen by town

mm

when im town i dont choose my words. they just come from my heart and i just try my best to be as genuine as possible

why did u choose the word "choose"?

do u choose ur words as town?

and also, like, if u go with "choose", why cant mafia tutuu choose the same words?

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 9:38 am

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 7:27 am If Alison doesn't have 200 posts and hasn't lynched at least 2 mafia by the end of day 0 then she's mafia.

stuff like this is why I feel obligated to bus a lot when I'm scum

btw you always post with a capital letter and end with punctuation and this is the first time i see u post with lowercase and no punctuation it felt like a special gift just for me cuz its like normally ur at the office talking business right but then ur at the coffee shop with me and thats why u dropped the capital letter and punctuation omg omg omg tysm alison ur wonderful and amazing and i wish u all the best

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 10:43 amily

dizzy town cuz hes nice to me

Town buddies 4ever. <3 Get mad, scum.

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 10:48 ami dunno i try to play the same as town. again, its been literally years since i played scum i forgot

Same tbh. Except that one game where Scirrus dared to rand me scum, but that doesn't count.

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 10:50 amwait ur scumreading alison and proto?

i read all of ur posts on this page and i didnt get this impression. hm maybe i misunderstood? r u scumreading them?

I'm like not town reading them, and I'm town reading a few others. I'm interested in Proto, let's put it that way. I haven't really tried to read Alison.

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 10:52 ammm

when im town i dont choose my words. they just come from my heart and i just try my best to be as genuine as possible

why did u choose the word "choose"?

do u choose ur words as town?

and also, like, if u go with "choose", why cant mafia tutuu choose the same words?

I like this post.

i like u too dizzy

did u rly have 7 correct townreads d0 in space invaders?

holy shit. i saw u mentioning it earlier and only now my brain computed

WOW

I wonder if I would ever be able to bring myself to yeet Tutu, even if I scum read her tbh tbh

ok so if dizzy doesnt have 300 posts and doesnt have 10 townreads by the end of day 0 he's scum with alison (who could be scum for similar reason)

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:10 am

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 9:38 am

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 7:27 am If Alison doesn't have 200 posts and hasn't lynched at least 2 mafia by the end of day 0 then she's mafia.

stuff like this is why I feel obligated to bus a lot when I'm scum

btw you always post with a capital letter and end with punctuation and this is the first time i see u post with lowercase and no punctuation it felt like a special gift just for me cuz its like normally ur at the office talking business right but then ur at the coffee shop with me and thats why u dropped the capital letter and punctuation omg omg omg tysm alison ur wonderful and amazing and i wish u all the best

Love it.

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:12 am did u rly have 7 correct townreads d0 in space invaders?

holy shit. i saw u mentioning it earlier and only now my brain computed

WOW

I did. I had all 4 scum in my bottom 5 (with a null poster who later turned into Hally). That game is the biggest tragedy I've seen in a very long time. I have no words for how much I absolutely hated the "logical" NK analysis idea and the shot on me and Dunya. And the salt is real. It's still real. It's the realest. And I'm going to stop talking about it. But yeah, my D0 reads that game were practically spot on. And now I feel I need to do the same here, which there is no guarantee for. But I feel good about quite a few people here already.

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:14 am ok so if dizzy doesnt have 300 posts and doesnt have 10 townreads by the end of day 0 he's scum with alison (who could be scum for similar reason)

Bus me, Alison

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:15 am

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:10 am

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 9:38 am

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 7:27 am If Alison doesn't have 200 posts and hasn't lynched at least 2 mafia by the end of day 0 then she's mafia.

stuff like this is why I feel obligated to bus a lot when I'm scum

btw you always post with a capital letter and end with punctuation and this is the first time i see u post with lowercase and no punctuation it felt like a special gift just for me cuz its like normally ur at the office talking business right but then ur at the coffee shop with me and thats why u dropped the capital letter and punctuation omg omg omg tysm alison ur wonderful and amazing and i wish u all the best

Love it.

im sorry that i was rude to you in space invaders long con i shouldnt have i regret it. ur nice and u didnt deserve it. sorry

We are still missing like everyone who Proto had played with before on Discord. Please give us love.

You were? I didn't even remember.

@proto just like u i also had a gut reaction to feel skeptical about the amount of townreads dizzy already made but i didnt say anything

but i think his latest post makes perfect sense. he had GOAT reads last game, so he feels the need to deliver again, and i mean i wouldnt bet this game on him being town yet, but at least that specific piece seems to fit with the rest of the puzzle

Hi everybody! First time playing forum mafia so i'm still trying to figure out everything. Hope everyone has fun and good luck!

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 10:04 am Can you be more specific? What words?

I get the feeling from most of tutuu's posts, but this specifically gave me the thought about her diction looking town:
> scirrus is maybe the top poster but i dont feel like he has given me the "key" to unlock the "door" to his "mind" and figure out how he works.

[mention]jeraldooo[/mention] Initial thoughts on the game?

mm

im a bit sketched out by that townread, my reason is that my impression of u is that ur more, like, u lean more towards not going by gut (which i perceive this as a gut townread on me). my initial impression of u is that ur kinda like proto? like, insist on not going by gut? but i could be wrong and u could be town, apologies if so and im disparaging u for correctly playing the game

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:14 am ok so if dizzy doesnt have 300 posts and doesnt have 10 townreads by the end of day 0 he's scum with alison (who could be scum for similar reason)

i didn't read all the day for rl reasons but i wanted to see what is happening here.

Fos for tutuu because he expects performance like Dizzy is a robot working at a norm. I see it as a joke too but i dislike it.
Also associative reads so early? smh

jeraldooo wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 12:01 pm Hi everybody! First time playing forum mafia so i'm still trying to figure out everything. Hope everyone has fun and good luck!

Hello!
First time playing FM, but maybe you played ToS or something like this, or RL mafia?

Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 12:17 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:14 am ok so if dizzy doesnt have 300 posts and doesnt have 10 townreads by the end of day 0 he's scum with alison (who could be scum for similar reason)

i didn't read all the day for rl reasons but i wanted to see what is happening here.

Fos for tutuu because he expects performance like Dizzy is a robot working at a norm. I see it as a joke too but i dislike it.
Also associative reads so early? smh

yep, was a joke, just like the alison post

why would you dislike it even if u see it as a joke?

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 12:13 pm im a bit sketched out by that townread, my reason is that my impression of u is that ur more, like, u lean more towards not going by gut (which i perceive this as a gut townread on me). my initial impression of u is that ur kinda like proto? like, insist on not going by gut? but i could be wrong and u could be town, apologies if so and im disparaging u for correctly playing the game

I don't insist on not going by gut. I often fabricate reasons to justify a gut read.
But no, diction is 100% measurable. Some words are used more often by town than by mafia.

even if you've never played with me before?
like, its not the words "key" "door" "mind", its like, the "archetype" behind the way i expressed myself, that u townread, right?

like hm. idk. im conscious i might be talking to myself into scumreading u now and and it might not even be ur fault at all (if ur town)

idk exactly what to ask u. i wish i had some well-formed question i could ask that could give an AI answer hopefully but i cant think of any

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 9:53 am

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 9:38 am

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 7:27 am If Alison doesn't have 200 posts and hasn't lynched at least 2 mafia by the end of day 0 then she's mafia.

stuff like this is why I feel obligated to bus a lot when I'm scum

Hi, Alison. You are scary. Will you bus this game? Please do, I'll be watching.

Absolutely not. I've just dropped townreads on all my scum buddies actually.

Urist wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 9:46 am

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 9:45 am What does this mean?

the words tutuu chooses to use seem like they were chosen by town

Elaborate on this?

Urist wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 9:53 am Alison's town

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 6:48 am I feel like if proto was scum here he'd just play the way people expect him to play rather than going "I am deviating from my play in Space Invaders and here's why". It's not like it's a hard playstyle to fake.

proto said it himself, it would be literally impossible for him to commit to the same playstyle as Space Invaders, and the main reason for why he's saying it seems to be so that he isn't scumread for having a different playstyle.
If anything, proto saying he'll have a different playstyle is slightly scummy.
Giving him a townread for it is scummy as well.

Nah, all scum proto has to do is come in here and post 5000 words theorizing about game mechanics that everyone skims over, and then collect his free towncred. Everything he's done here just reeks of purity, and the "do you think I am scum? What about if I told you X? Shouldn't you scumread me if I told you Y?" thing is a quirk I've noticed he has in his gamesolving style as town. It's also a quirk that I haven't told him I noticed, so I don't think he's intentionally replicating it to pocket me.

(Also do you mean to say "Alison's scum"? Like you said I was town then went on to explain why my read was awful.)

Urist wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 9:56 am

Urist wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 9:53 amAlison's town

uh this was the start of me saying "Alison's town read on proto is iffy", I don't think that Alison is town

Oh okay.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 10:06 am I feel Tutu is probably town? I like the sentiment of wanting to have good reads and wanting to be correct about things. I do have the feeling that she's a type of player who's rather good at having a similar tone as both alignments, but that's basically a guess. How would you describe your scum play, Tutu?

I spoke to her in private messages about Space Invaders before role cards for this game were handed out. She gave me the impression that she was invested in understanding me to make sure she could catch me the next time I rolled scum against her. I fully believe her "I must watch out for Alison" attitude here.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 10:07 am Alison/Proto would be my favorite and not impossible tbh tbh

Favorite what?

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:10 am

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 9:38 am

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 7:27 am If Alison doesn't have 200 posts and hasn't lynched at least 2 mafia by the end of day 0 then she's mafia.

stuff like this is why I feel obligated to bus a lot when I'm scum

btw you always post with a capital letter and end with punctuation and this is the first time i see u post with lowercase and no punctuation it felt like a special gift just for me cuz its like normally ur at the office talking business right but then ur at the coffee shop with me and thats why u dropped the capital letter and punctuation omg omg omg tysm alison ur wonderful and amazing and i wish u all the best

you're welcome

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:16 am

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:14 am ok so if dizzy doesnt have 300 posts and doesnt have 10 townreads by the end of day 0 he's scum with alison (who could be scum for similar reason)

Bus me, Alison

But you're town, I can't bus a townie.

Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 12:17 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:14 am ok so if dizzy doesnt have 300 posts and doesnt have 10 townreads by the end of day 0 he's scum with alison (who could be scum for similar reason)

i didn't read all the day for rl reasons but i wanted to see what is happening here.

Fos for tutuu because he expects performance like Dizzy is a robot working at a norm. I see it as a joke too but i dislike it.
Also associative reads so early? smh

Hey Michelle. Do you like playing scum?

I think the Urist read on tutuu's diction makes sense. Town are more likely to think about how to get into someone's head, and the excessively convoluted metaphor means that it was imagery that tutuu was focused on and/or churning around in her head for quite some time. Pretty reasonable for a page 3 read. Not seeing anything I should be concerned about there right now.

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 12:55 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 9:53 am

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 9:38 am

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 7:27 am If Alison doesn't have 200 posts and hasn't lynched at least 2 mafia by the end of day 0 then she's mafia.

stuff like this is why I feel obligated to bus a lot when I'm scum

Hi, Alison. You are scary. Will you bus this game? Please do, I'll be watching.

Absolutely not. I've just dropped townreads on all my scum buddies actually.

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 1:07 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:16 am

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:14 am ok so if dizzy doesnt have 300 posts and doesnt have 10 townreads by the end of day 0 he's scum with alison (who could be scum for similar reason)

Bus me, Alison

But you're town, I can't bus a townie.

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 12:55 pm even if you've never played with me before?
like, its not the words "key" "door" "mind", its like, the "archetype" behind the way i expressed myself, that u townread, right?

like hm. idk. im conscious i might be talking to myself into scumreading u now and and it might not even be ur fault at all (if ur town)

idk exactly what to ask u. i wish i had some well-formed question i could ask that could give an AI answer hopefully but i cant think of any

yeah i think i'm also just explaining myself super poorly but w/e. i'm generally a very active player so i'm sure there will be other things you can ask me AI-stuff about.

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 12:59 pm Nah, all scum proto has to do is come in here and post 5000 words theorizing about game mechanics that everyone skims over, and then collect his free towncred. Everything he's done here just reeks of purity, and the "do you think I am scum? What about if I told you X? Shouldn't you scumread me if I told you Y?" thing is a quirk I've noticed he has in his gamesolving style as town. It's also a quirk that I haven't told him I noticed, so I don't think he's intentionally replicating it to pocket me.

uh no, proto said he isn't able to do that this game. i feel like you might be trying to find a reason for calling proto town? it's weird, like what would you expect him to post a game mechanics essay about, the pros and cons of matrix setups?
anyway i feel like we're repeating ourselves at this point so i'm not looking for an answer here. feel free to respond but i prob won't address this again.

(i was about to interject and respond to that even tho its not directed at me but ill holster. i rly rly rly wanted to tho. but its not good. fuck.)

Lots of mechanics things to talk about. Best person for cop to use night check on, whether doctor should use heals aggressively or save them for late in the game, best way to use tracker, whether a doublevote is mathematically more powerful now or in the late game, etc.

What makes you think I'm trying to find reasons to townread proto? We clearly have history with each other and proto said I pocketed him super deep in a previous game, which implies that I understand him quite well. Is it a surprise that I have my theory about what proto would or wouldn't do here as scum?