The Syndicate

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Oct 23, 2022 5:50 pm Everyone loves Long Con.

I just remember the hyper elaborate games he and BR did that I never really understood because brain too smol

Vivax wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 10:36 am Wilgy, did you see Scottys copycat post before or after you posted your copyrighted intro ?
Your posts sort of seemed to be in catch-up mode of progression but the order of your reactions wouldn't make much sense.

After. I feel that introductions are only polite prior to reading.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Oct 23, 2022 8:22 pm Put a Finger Down - Mafia Edition

Put a finger down if you already have a suspect

*Places tongue down*

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Oct 23, 2022 10:19 pm In all seriousness, this Day 1 is going to be bizarre because I’m going to feel dirty eliminating a player that has made a triumphant return after a lengthy break only to be yeeted early.

I suppose I can take solace in the fact that rezz’s are in the game. But for day 1? It just feelsbadman.jpg

I guess we could always all just vote for dog lol

Just kill me. Do it. You know you want to. ~~

Elohcin wrote: ↑Sun Oct 23, 2022 10:23 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Oct 23, 2022 10:19 pm In all seriousness, this Day 1 is going to be bizarre because I’m going to feel dirty eliminating a player that has made a triumphant return after a lengthy break only to be yeeted early.

I suppose I can take solace in the fact that rezz’s are in the game. But for day 1? It just feelsbadman.jpg

I guess we could always all just vote for dog lol

"yeet" and "yeeted" are not allowed in old school mafia games. Silly Scotty, yeets are for kids.

Yes, here we commit murder and tax evasion.

thellama73 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 10:21 am

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sun Oct 23, 2022 10:28 pm I have an idea of who the mafia is, but it's not who I'm voting at the moment. Though, the person I'm voting may also be mafia, who knows.

I do not like this post, nor do I like the vote for Bea. Mind you, I think voting for Bea in general is reasonable because people always tend to trust her, which makes her dangerous on the occasions when she is mafia, but Axey’s vote came without explanation and was a pile on after a (marginally) more justified vote.

Also, why would you not vote for who you think the mafia is?

*Lick*

Oh no.

I wasn't a spam poster back in the day.

Hmm... Young Wilgy was an odd one that I don't even know if I understand anymore.

Nonetheless,
Llama
Scotty
Dh
G-Man
Bea
Sig

You have been licked.

I now notice that Axey said he voted Bea while actually voting Scotty. Lying about your vote is not a good way to get me to trust you.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 10:47 am Llama
Scotty
Dh
G-Man
Bea
Sig

You have been licked.

Thank you! I am flattered.

thellama73 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 11:03 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 10:47 am Llama
Scotty
Dh
G-Man
Bea
Sig

You have been licked.

Thank you! I am flattered.

You taste of a good tea in an old library.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 9:32 am And, I'm not lying about the role thing. I didn't understand the movable votes until I reread the roles this morning after reading DH's comments. I must have more tired than I thought last night b/c everything was much clearer this morning.

That’s fair. I often overanalyze roles in my pregame analysis and make bold assumptions that can be easily disproven with the obvious information given.

I think another part of your explanation that is still not swaying me, however, is the way you’ve presented your suspicion for sig in so many words, then just as succinctly dropped your suspicion for him without offering any other reads for other players. It’s very cookie-cutter apple pie and although it doesn’t lack logical progression, it does seem to lack that extra scoop of ice cream a-la-mode

thellama73 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 9:33 am

Golden wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 3:13 am Reads

Sig: town

There endeth the list of my reads.

My only town read so far is Scotty. I don’t have a baddie read yet. Stay tuned.

What about me is townie to you?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 10:16 am Good morning.

My name is DrWilgy and I am most definitely a doctor. Pleasure to make your acquaintance.

Hey, that was my line

thellama73 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 10:21 am

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sun Oct 23, 2022 10:28 pm I have an idea of who the mafia is, but it's not who I'm voting at the moment. Though, the person I'm voting may also be mafia, who knows.

I do not like this post, nor do I like the vote for Bea. Mind you, I think voting for Bea in general is reasonable because people always tend to trust her, which makes her dangerous on the occasions when she is mafia, but Axey’s vote came without explanation and was a pile on after a (marginally) more justified vote.

Also, why would you not vote for who you think the mafia is?

I’ve learned to just disregard Axe in D1 because he does this as town, mafia, independent and axehole

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 10:22 am

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Oct 22, 2022 8:00 pm Hello, my name is DrWilgy and I am most definitely a doctor

[VOTE: Scotty] aubergine while I appreciate you, copyright infringement is a supersrs crime.

*Lick*

I don’t hate this vote.

Finally someone voting me for an actual reason.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 10:24 am Oh. Scotty has 3.

*Revoke lick*

Taste like overcooked onions anyways...

[VOTE: sig] aubergine

*Lick*

I’ll have you know I went to the groomers last well thank you very much

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 12:04 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 10:24 am Oh. Scotty has 3.

*Revoke lick*

Taste like overcooked onions anyways...

[VOTE: sig] aubergine

*Lick*

I’ll have you know I went to the groomers last well thank you very much

EBWOP: week

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 12:04 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 12:04 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 10:24 am Oh. Scotty has 3.

*Revoke lick*

Taste like overcooked onions anyways...

[VOTE: sig] aubergine

*Lick*

I’ll have you know I went to the groomers last well thank you very much

EBWOP: week

Identity theft makes even the best meals of frog taste like sour polyvinyl soaked carrots.

Townreads on Wilgy and Llama.
Don‘t hate the vote on DFaraday. Last post 1 h before n0 deadline.

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 11:59 am

thellama73 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 9:33 am

Golden wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 3:13 am Reads

Sig: town

There endeth the list of my reads.

My only town read so far is Scotty. I don’t have a baddie read yet. Stay tuned.

What about me is townie to you?

Mainly your refusal to go along with the adverb/grammar thing. I think most baddies would be scared to make such a refusal.

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 11:59 am

Elohcin wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 9:32 am And, I'm not lying about the role thing. I didn't understand the movable votes until I reread the roles this morning after reading DH's comments. I must have more tired than I thought last night b/c everything was much clearer this morning.

That’s fair. I often overanalyze roles in my pregame analysis and make bold assumptions that can be easily disproven with the obvious information given.

I think another part of your explanation that is still not swaying me, however, is the way you’ve presented your suspicion for sig in so many words, then just as succinctly dropped your suspicion for him without offering any other reads for other players. It’s very cookie-cutter apple pie and although it doesn’t lack logical progression, it does seem to lack that extra scoop of ice cream a-la-mode

First of all, I don't remember using "so many words." Second, there was not much to go on at the time of that post. I will most likely have more reads as the day goes on. But for DAY ONE, unless someone majorly slips, any reads are kind-of a shot in the dark. If I were to make a guess, though, I imagine that day 1 mafia players act like one of the following:
a) pretty quiet (laying low)
b) kind-of silly/off-topic (distracting from gameplay), or
c) hard core readers (they obviously know who isn't a part of their own)

This is what I am looking for. So far I have my eye on Scotty for reasons of letter (b).

Elohcin wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 12:52 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 11:59 am

Elohcin wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 9:32 am And, I'm not lying about the role thing. I didn't understand the movable votes until I reread the roles this morning after reading DH's comments. I must have more tired than I thought last night b/c everything was much clearer this morning.

That’s fair. I often overanalyze roles in my pregame analysis and make bold assumptions that can be easily disproven with the obvious information given.

I think another part of your explanation that is still not swaying me, however, is the way you’ve presented your suspicion for sig in so many words, then just as succinctly dropped your suspicion for him without offering any other reads for other players. It’s very cookie-cutter apple pie and although it doesn’t lack logical progression, it does seem to lack that extra scoop of ice cream a-la-mode

First of all, I don't remember using "so many words." Second, there was not much to go on at the time of that post. I will most likely have more reads as the day goes on. But for DAY ONE, unless someone majorly slips, any reads are kind-of a shot in the dark. If I were to make a guess, though, I imagine that day 1 mafia players act like one of the following:
a) pretty quiet (laying low)
b) kind-of silly/off-topic (distracting from gameplay), or
c) hard core readers (they obviously know who isn't a part of their own)

This is what I am looking for. So far I have my eye on Scotty for reasons of letter (b).

You think I’m distracting from gameplay do you?

thellama73 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 11:01 am I now notice that Axey said he voted Bea while actually voting Scotty. Lying about your vote is not a good way to get me to trust you.

Nice clown shoes.

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 1:23 pm [VOTE: Elo] aubergine

You're all over the place Scotty.

Oh yeah, Elo is obviously either a mason partner with Sig or mafia.

That is some effective R o L e F I S h i N g

For anyone who misunderstood my intent.

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 1:23 pm [VOTE: Elo] aubergine

But why tho

You open your door, see this
having to act quickly, you weigh your options

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 1:24 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 1:23 pm [VOTE: Elo] aubergine

You're all over the place Scotty.

What do you mean by that

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 1:24 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 1:23 pm [VOTE: Elo] aubergine

You're all over the place Scotty.

I’m a scattershot on D1 here in the Wild West, partner

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 1:28 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 1:23 pm [VOTE: Elo] aubergine

But why tho

See my progression

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 10:39 am

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Oct 23, 2022 8:22 pm Put a Finger Down - Mafia Edition

Put a finger down if you already have a suspect

*Places tongue down*

Who‘s the suspect tho ?

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 1:44 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 1:28 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 1:23 pm [VOTE: Elo] aubergine

But why tho

See my progression

Could you articulate your reasoning instead of putting the onus on me to do it for you?

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 1:49 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 1:44 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 1:28 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 1:23 pm [VOTE: Elo] aubergine

But why tho

See my progression

Could you articulate your reasoning instead of putting the onus on me to do it for you?

Begrudgingly, sure, even though it’s only 20 posts back. I could probably flesh it out more.

It’s admittedly a pretty weak scumread, but the arguments that Elo had made agreeing with the suspicion of sig based on a mechanic that she hadn’t read, then recanting her suspicion upon learning said mechanic was rather safe. It wasn’t a slam dunk by any means. But then she reacts to my read of her with a long winded explanation that mafia will have certain qualities in D1. She lists them; then, she makes, in more or less words, an OMGUS on me using one of the bullet points “silly/off-topic (distracting from gameplay)” which is objectively a terrible statement. Sure, I’m perhaps silly as much as a pumpkin spice latte in spring, but you can still DRINK a pumpkin spice latte in spring I’m making gab, advancing gameplay. Am I not?

Vivax wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 1:47 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 10:39 am

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Oct 23, 2022 8:22 pm Put a Finger Down - Mafia Edition

Put a finger down if you already have a suspect

*Places tongue down*

Who‘s the suspect tho ?

They most likely have fingers, toes and produce oils out of fleshy glands.

Also, unrelated, but Michelle who hasn't solved yet is most likely a wolf.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 1:27 pm That is some effective R o L e F I S h i N g

For anyone who misunderstood my intent.

I understand the concept of throwing out votes in movable-vote games to gauge reactions, but at the same time that can be a cop out way to excuse bad behavior. If you successfully start a wagon with your vote, you get what you want, but if it doesn't take you can just claim it was for role fishing and claim immunity from any criticism. Don't expect me not to evaluate you based on your behavior just because you claim it doesn't mean anything.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 2:08 pm Also, unrelated, but Michelle who hasn't solved yet is most likely a wolf.

Good point. Apollo Doctrine.

[VOTE: Michelle] aubergine

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 2:06 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 1:49 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 1:44 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 1:28 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 1:23 pm [VOTE: Elo] aubergine

But why tho

See my progression

Could you articulate your reasoning instead of putting the onus on me to do it for you?

Begrudgingly, sure, even though it’s only 20 posts back. I could probably flesh it out more.

It’s admittedly a pretty weak scumread, but the arguments that Elo had made agreeing with the suspicion of sig based on a mechanic that she hadn’t read, then recanting her suspicion upon learning said mechanic was rather safe. It wasn’t a slam dunk by any means. But then she reacts to my read of her with a long winded explanation that mafia will have certain qualities in D1. She lists them; then, she makes, in more or less words, an OMGUS on me using one of the bullet points “silly/off-topic (distracting from gameplay)” which is objectively a terrible statement. Sure, I’m perhaps silly as much as a pumpkin spice latte in spring, but you can still DRINK a pumpkin spice latte in spring I’m making gab, advancing gameplay. Am I not?

So you're voting for Eloh because she acted on a weak suspicion, backtracked on it nearly as soon as it was called out, and offered a "whatever sticks" explanation as to her actions?

Why is that not a slam dunk? Where is this hesitation and hedging coming from? Is she doing an OMGUS to you or are you doing an OMGUS to her?

I will also state for the record that I don't buy the suspicion on Sig. Feels too easy.

thellama73 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 2:09 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 1:27 pm That is some effective R o L e F I S h i N g

For anyone who misunderstood my intent.

I understand the concept of throwing out votes in movable-vote games to gauge reactions, but at the same time that can be a cop out way to excuse bad behavior. If you successfully start a wagon with your vote, you get what you want, but if it doesn't take you can just claim it was for role fishing and claim immunity from any criticism. Don't expect me not to evaluate you based on your behavior just because you claim it doesn't mean anything.

Someone earlier said this is NAI for Axe and I have to agree with that. He always does this kind of thing.
Having said that I think you raise valid concerns about the accountability for what the random votes cause.

tbd how I feel about Axe. Liking llama’s line of questioning thus far though

thellama73 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 2:18 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 2:08 pm Also, unrelated, but Michelle who hasn't solved yet is most likely a wolf.

Good point. Apollo Doctrine.

[VOTE: Michelle] aubergine

Have you played with Michelle before?

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 2:20 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 2:06 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 1:49 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 1:44 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 1:28 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 1:23 pm [VOTE: Elo] aubergine

But why tho

See my progression

Could you articulate your reasoning instead of putting the onus on me to do it for you?

Begrudgingly, sure, even though it’s only 20 posts back. I could probably flesh it out more.

It’s admittedly a pretty weak scumread, but the arguments that Elo had made agreeing with the suspicion of sig based on a mechanic that she hadn’t read, then recanting her suspicion upon learning said mechanic was rather safe. It wasn’t a slam dunk by any means. But then she reacts to my read of her with a long winded explanation that mafia will have certain qualities in D1. She lists them; then, she makes, in more or less words, an OMGUS on me using one of the bullet points “silly/off-topic (distracting from gameplay)” which is objectively a terrible statement. Sure, I’m perhaps silly as much as a pumpkin spice latte in spring, but you can still DRINK a pumpkin spice latte in spring I’m making gab, advancing gameplay. Am I not?

So you're voting for Eloh because she acted on a weak suspicion, backtracked on it nearly as soon as it was called out, and offered a "whatever sticks" explanation as to her actions?

Why is that not a slam dunk? Where is this hesitation and hedging coming from? Is she doing an OMGUS to you or are you doing an OMGUS to her?

It’s not a slam dunk because D1 reads are never slam dunks. I’m like the looney tunes when the monstars suck the power away. I need reveals to better get a sense for players.

This could very well just be a player personality that I’m reading too much into.

Though I wouldn’t call this hedging. I’m currently voting there

thellama73 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 2:22 pm I will also state for the record that I don't buy the suspicion on Sig. Feels too easy.

Sig is known miselimination fodder.

It is known, Khaleesi.

Though I’m seeing more support for sig as town than suspicion at this current juncture..

I don’t really like the whole Elo vs Scotty thing. I do feel like Elo was a little quick to jump on sig who is an easy target, but as someone who almost never thoroughly reads the rules, I can wholeheartedly understand missing something like that. And in most cases wouldn’t it be easier for a mafia Elo to just leave that mild suspicion of sig out there instead. Scotty’s suspicion also seems quick to jump on something little.
Maybe I’ll reread it after the kids are asleep

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 2:37 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 2:20 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 2:06 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 1:49 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 1:44 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 1:28 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 1:23 pm [VOTE: Elo] aubergine

But why tho

See my progression

Could you articulate your reasoning instead of putting the onus on me to do it for you?

Begrudgingly, sure, even though it’s only 20 posts back. I could probably flesh it out more.

It’s admittedly a pretty weak scumread, but the arguments that Elo had made agreeing with the suspicion of sig based on a mechanic that she hadn’t read, then recanting her suspicion upon learning said mechanic was rather safe. It wasn’t a slam dunk by any means. But then she reacts to my read of her with a long winded explanation that mafia will have certain qualities in D1. She lists them; then, she makes, in more or less words, an OMGUS on me using one of the bullet points “silly/off-topic (distracting from gameplay)” which is objectively a terrible statement. Sure, I’m perhaps silly as much as a pumpkin spice latte in spring, but you can still DRINK a pumpkin spice latte in spring I’m making gab, advancing gameplay. Am I not?

So you're voting for Eloh because she acted on a weak suspicion, backtracked on it nearly as soon as it was called out, and offered a "whatever sticks" explanation as to her actions?

Why is that not a slam dunk? Where is this hesitation and hedging coming from? Is she doing an OMGUS to you or are you doing an OMGUS to her?

It’s not a slam dunk because D1 reads are never slam dunks. I’m like the looney tunes when the monstars suck the power away. I need reveals to better get a sense for players.

This could very well just be a player personality that I’m reading too much into.

Though I wouldn’t call this hedging. I’m currently voting there

"Currently voting there" with lots of qualifiers about how unsure you are and about how wild Day 1 reads can be and about how weak the case is, yeah.

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 2:34 pm

thellama73 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 2:18 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 2:08 pm Also, unrelated, but Michelle who hasn't solved yet is most likely a wolf.

Good point. Apollo Doctrine.

[VOTE: Michelle] aubergine

Have you played with Michelle before?

I don’t remember. Maybe.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 5:02 am I swear to God I'm going to ascend to Modhood just to modkill myself if another mothertrucker says aubergine one more time.

Maybe the next one to say it it's not a mothertrucker

Vivax wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 5:24 am

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 5:02 am I swear to God I'm going to ascend to Modhood just to modkill myself if another mothertrucker says aubergine one more time.

Are you flamboyantly declaring your intent to dastardly sacrifice yourself spectacularly ?

What happened to the last person that tried to feed you vegetable soup ?

I laughed

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 5:48 am

Elohcin wrote: ↑Sun Oct 23, 2022 10:21 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Oct 23, 2022 8:37 pm Right, so Sig is obviously mafia, right?

I would say it is something to consider.

I'm not a fan of changing votes. I like to take the day to interact and observe without being hasty.

Sig says votes are changeable. I don't see how he could have known this before voting. I can only find him sus right away as his hasty vote would most likely land on a civ.

Yeah if only there were a role that explicitly stated (hey look guys, adverb. I'm multitasking!) that votes were changeable.

Maybe Eloh missed that part, though. I guess if it were an indie role or a mafia role, and Eloh were a civ and had no reason to read up on the mafia/indie sides of things, that could be it.

But if that role were not an indie or mafia role, and Eloh were a mafia or an indie and would have reason to be more focused on that side of the board, I could see a world where Eloh might forgo reading up on the civ side of things.

Your explanation sounds complicated for me, do you have an AI conclusion? What do you think about Sloonei's post,

I proved the vote can be changed and I think that the push for Sig doesn't have a solid reason.

[VOTE: Sloonei] aubergine

jokes, then grammar and adverb talk. It’s early but I have high expectations of a champ. I want to see where you’re at