The Syndicate

Posted: **Wed Apr 25, 2018 8:33 pm**

Theories

1) Baddies include one or both of dunya and wolbre
2) Baddies want us to lynch one of dunya and wolbre
3) Baddies saw Epi's performance in GoC and are intimidated by him generally
4) Baddies just want to screw with us
5) Baddies don't know what is up

Anyone want to rank these theories?

Posted: **Wed Apr 25, 2018 8:34 pm**

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Apr 25, 2018 8:18 pm Not gonna repeat myself. Busy, sorry. Check ISO.

Nova, townish. Epi, sig, town. Those were my reads. Again, check ISO.

I don't like the Colin push. I think it looks more like people jabbing a frightened animal with a long stick than real baddie hunting.

Posted: **Wed Apr 25, 2018 8:34 pm**

Number 3 can include Epi's reputation generally, but GoC specifically limits people who might have seen it.

Posted: **Wed Apr 25, 2018 8:41 pm**

[VOTE: sloonei] aubergine for now at least

Posted: **Wed Apr 25, 2018 8:48 pm**

Ok but seriously I don't want to read this whole game tonight, can somebody maybe point me towards some of the big moments of D1?

Otherwise I'm just gonna ISO Epi and adopt all his reads.

Posted: **Wed Apr 25, 2018 8:53 pm**

Golden wrote: ↑Wed Apr 25, 2018 8:33 pm Theories

1) Baddies include one or both of dunya and wolbre
2) Baddies want us to lynch one of dunya and wolbre
3) Baddies saw Epi's performance in GoC and are intimidated by him generally
4) Baddies just want to screw with us
5) Baddies don't know what is up

Anyone want to rank these theories?

I don't really want to rank them, that seems like pointless busy work to me. 6) Golden killed Epi and wants to control the narrative that ensues

Posted: **Wed Apr 25, 2018 8:56 pm**

colonialbob wrote: ↑Wed Apr 25, 2018 8:48 pm Ok but seriously I don't want to read this whole game tonight, can somebody maybe point me towards some of the big moments of D1?

Otherwise I'm just gonna ISO Epi and adopt all his reads.

Let's see... Dom and sig got into a thing that I avoided as much as possible...Epi was a little weirder than usual... dunya took some suspicion earlier, but had a lot of apologists... sometimes it was hard to keep up. Some of the hardcores can probably help you more.

Posted: **Wed Apr 25, 2018 8:56 pm**

Okay, I got distracted during my catch-up -- by a million students coming into my office, grading projects (still in progress), and other things. End of semester + dissertation + other stuff makes for a busy schedule. I'm going to be a relatively crappy player until sometime next week. Sorry folks. I'll be back in here with updated thoughts when I can.

Posted: **Wed Apr 25, 2018 8:57 pm**

hey it's your boy guin here to save the day or not idk let's figure it out as we go along

From what little reading I did as a spectator, I dislike wolbre for this post. Big NO U. The only reasoning I can see for this vote is that wolbre doesn't understand Epi and therefore finds him bad.

wolbre04 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 1:38 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 9:46 pm
wolbre04 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 1:08 pm
sig wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 11:52 am wolbre04 When you get the chance what do you think of the Golden, MP, Mac, and Dunya?
D1 is purely conjecture on my part until someone does something overly messy to me, but Golden and Mac seem to be interested in leading the pack and being outspoken
This is fine of course, but the later the game goes, the more I consider whether they are just leading us right into the fire
"The later the game goes the more I consider whether" means you are assured you will be around later to act on this seed.

And the fire is not dangerous if you cannot be led to it.

wolbre04 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 1:08 pm Dunya was really helpful, but basically a neutral leaning town
dunya has not been helpful, and you two are teammates.

[VOTE: wolbre04] aubergine
Dunham seems helpful to me and seems level headed. I just don't really understand your playstyle but then again, I'm not a veteran here. Not really sure why you jumped at me (?)
We are teammates, I'm sure she's town as well
[VOTE: Epignosis] aubergine

I can't promise a lot of activity right now so just tag me if you want my opinion on things because odds are I won't be following the thread.

Posted: **Wed Apr 25, 2018 8:59 pm**

It's good to be alive. RIP Epi.

Posted: **Wed Apr 25, 2018 9:01 pm**

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Apr 25, 2018 8:56 pm
colonialbob wrote: ↑Wed Apr 25, 2018 8:48 pm Ok but seriously I don't want to read this whole game tonight, can somebody maybe point me towards some of the big moments of D1?

Otherwise I'm just gonna ISO Epi and adopt all his reads.
Let's see... Dom and sig got into a thing that I avoided as much as possible...Epi was a little weirder than usual... dunya took some suspicion earlier, but had a lot of apologists... sometimes it was hard to keep up. Some of the hardcores can probably help you more.

There's also the part where I spent a ton of effort making a case on Sloonei that you seem to have not read.

Posted: **Wed Apr 25, 2018 9:03 pm**

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Apr 25, 2018 8:53 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Wed Apr 25, 2018 8:33 pm Theories

1) Baddies include one or both of dunya and wolbre
2) Baddies want us to lynch one of dunya and wolbre
3) Baddies saw Epi's performance in GoC and are intimidated by him generally
4) Baddies just want to screw with us
5) Baddies don't know what is up

Anyone want to rank these theories?
I don't really want to rank them, that seems like pointless busy work to me. 6) Golden killed Epi and wants to control the narrative that ensues

Yeah, LC is probably bad. Planting a flag.

This is exactly the response I expected from someone. Before you go with that, find an option that I actually haven’t listed - I can’t control the narrative when I put every option on the table.

Posted: **Wed Apr 25, 2018 9:04 pm**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 25, 2018 9:01 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Apr 25, 2018 8:56 pm
colonialbob wrote: ↑Wed Apr 25, 2018 8:48 pm Ok but seriously I don't want to read this whole game tonight, can somebody maybe point me towards some of the big moments of D1?

Otherwise I'm just gonna ISO Epi and adopt all his reads.
Let's see... Dom and sig got into a thing that I avoided as much as possible...Epi was a little weirder than usual... dunya took some suspicion earlier, but had a lot of apologists... sometimes it was hard to keep up. Some of the hardcores can probably help you more.
There's also the part where I spent a ton of effort making a case on Sloonei that you seem to have not read.

Posted: **Wed Apr 25, 2018 9:07 pm**

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Apr 25, 2018 9:04 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 25, 2018 9:01 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Apr 25, 2018 8:56 pm
colonialbob wrote: ↑Wed Apr 25, 2018 8:48 pm Ok but seriously I don't want to read this whole game tonight, can somebody maybe point me towards some of the big moments of D1?

Otherwise I'm just gonna ISO Epi and adopt all his reads.
Let's see... Dom and sig got into a thing that I avoided as much as possible...Epi was a little weirder than usual... dunya took some suspicion earlier, but had a lot of apologists... sometimes it was hard to keep up. Some of the hardcores can probably help you more.
There's also the part where I spent a ton of effort making a case on Sloonei that you seem to have not read.

Tell me Mr. Con. Are you in this game for the fun of it or do you actually care to win? Because I've not ever won a full game on The Syndicate and I am very keen to buck that trend.

Posted: **Wed Apr 25, 2018 9:11 pm**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 25, 2018 9:07 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Apr 25, 2018 9:04 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 25, 2018 9:01 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Apr 25, 2018 8:56 pm
colonialbob wrote: ↑Wed Apr 25, 2018 8:48 pm Ok but seriously I don't want to read this whole game tonight, can somebody maybe point me towards some of the big moments of D1?

Otherwise I'm just gonna ISO Epi and adopt all his reads.
Let's see... Dom and sig got into a thing that I avoided as much as possible...Epi was a little weirder than usual... dunya took some suspicion earlier, but had a lot of apologists... sometimes it was hard to keep up. Some of the hardcores can probably help you more.
There's also the part where I spent a ton of effort making a case on Sloonei that you seem to have not read.

Tell me Mr. Con. Are you in this game for the fun of it or do you actually care to win? Because I've not ever won a full game on The Syndicate and I am very keen to buck that trend.

Winning is the most fun. That's what I want. I can't believe you have no Full Game wins!

I know I'm not playing that hard right now. I feel like my Mafia engine in larger games doesn't get revved up until a few days in.

Posted: **Wed Apr 25, 2018 9:14 pm**

[VOTE: wolbre04 ] aubergine

Epivote.

Going to ISO wolbre and maybe read Mac's case on sloonbeard.

Posted: **Wed Apr 25, 2018 9:44 pm**

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Apr 25, 2018 8:56 pm
colonialbob wrote: ↑Wed Apr 25, 2018 8:48 pm Ok but seriously I don't want to read this whole game tonight, can somebody maybe point me towards some of the big moments of D1?

Otherwise I'm just gonna ISO Epi and adopt all his reads.
Let's see... Dom and sig got into a thing that I avoided as much as possible...Epi was a little weirder than usual... dunya took some suspicion earlier, but had a lot of apologists... sometimes it was hard to keep up. Some of the hardcores can probably help you more.

Sounds like your GOC game play.

Posted: **Wed Apr 25, 2018 10:09 pm**

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Apr 25, 2018 8:57 pm hey it's your boy guin here to save the day or not idk let's figure it out as we go along

From what little reading I did as a spectator, I dislike wolbre for this post. Big NO U. The only reasoning I can see for this vote is that wolbre doesn't understand Epi and therefore finds him bad.

wolbre04 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 1:38 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 9:46 pm
wolbre04 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 1:08 pm
sig wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 11:52 am wolbre04 When you get the chance what do you think of the Golden, MP, Mac, and Dunya?
D1 is purely conjecture on my part until someone does something overly messy to me, but Golden and Mac seem to be interested in leading the pack and being outspoken
This is fine of course, but the later the game goes, the more I consider whether they are just leading us right into the fire
"The later the game goes the more I consider whether" means you are assured you will be around later to act on this seed.

And the fire is not dangerous if you cannot be led to it.

wolbre04 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 1:08 pm Dunya was really helpful, but basically a neutral leaning town
dunya has not been helpful, and you two are teammates.

[VOTE: wolbre04] aubergine
Dunham seems helpful to me and seems level headed. I just don't really understand your playstyle but then again, I'm not a veteran here. Not really sure why you jumped at me (?)
We are teammates, I'm sure she's town as well
[VOTE: Epignosis] aubergine
I can't promise a lot of activity right now so just tag me if you want my opinion on things because odds are I won't be following the thread.

I genuinely just didn't like his playstyle, that was my base for his vote. Half the votes d1 were baseless and all but reads. He just gave me a funky feel (albeit wrong) but still

Posted: **Wed Apr 25, 2018 10:10 pm**

More evidence suggesting I don’t have a clue why Syndicate scum teams kill who they do.

I don’t expect anyone to take this at face value but I wouldn’t kill a player that’s particularly likely to get mislynched. I’m sure there is a logic of sorts to that kill but I don’t get it.

Posted: **Wed Apr 25, 2018 10:11 pm**

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Apr 25, 2018 5:47 pm As easily I can:

One benefit of voting off-wagon is that it gets the town to think about other candidates, especially if they're someone who has flown under the radar with regards to that lynch. That's the primary reason I decided to follow my gut about lunalee.

Another benefit would be forcing a potential scum to defend themselves. I think other people have sprung to lunalee's defense, so this doesn't seem to have happened too much. But it's definitely something that happens regardless of the context of the vote and it's useful for the town.

A third reason that didn't occur to me at all yesterday, but I can see now, is seeing how people respond. You learn about other people's playstyles and what they consider scummy and you can get a lot out of that to help you with your reads. I'm learning more about the people who are voicing suspicions of me and I'm interested to see who doesn't.

I can understand why people think the timing of my post might be suspicious, but I'll have to politely ask you to disregard that. I would have made the same vote, after reading lunalee's posts and the rest of the thread, if I were able to, but I was at work and barely got my vote in on time anyway. I know you have no reason to believe me there, but it's the truth.

OK. This is reasonably fair. I'll also say better that you made a vote than made no vote.

After Epi's death, I feel even more than I did yesterday that there may have been zero votes on mafia and there was no real pressure at all.

Posted: **Wed Apr 25, 2018 10:12 pm**

colonialbob wrote: ↑Wed Apr 25, 2018 6:52 pm Ain't reading 30 pages. Who's bad?

The Colin and Sloonei cases are most convincing so far. ISO Mac for details.

Posted: **Wed Apr 25, 2018 10:14 pm**

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 25, 2018 10:10 pm More evidence suggesting I don’t have a clue why Syndicate scum teams kill who they do.

That's probably the general idea, innit?

Still I agree with your overall point. It's not a kill I'd make either. But I view such statements (including yours) with a large dash of salt because a kill is a team decision and no-one wants to be the one that can't get onside with the kill choice.

Posted: **Wed Apr 25, 2018 10:35 pm**

Sounds like an Epi voter kill to me. They almost lynched someone it's typically very difficult to lynch so they offed him out of frustration.

Posted: **Wed Apr 25, 2018 10:39 pm**

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Apr 25, 2018 10:35 pm Sounds like an Epi voter kill to me. They almost lynched someone it's typically very difficult to lynch so they offed him out of frustration.

Meh. I think killing Epi links it to no one. That’s the only basis for the kill to me, as well as avoiding the doctor (I think there is one of those in this game). Like, he’s the one of the least obvious kill choices mafi would make.

Also why would they be “frustrated”? It’s not like he was making waves in the civ department.

I don’t yet like your entrance, Quin

Posted: **Wed Apr 25, 2018 10:41 pm**

Golden wrote: ↑Wed Apr 25, 2018 10:14 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 25, 2018 10:10 pm More evidence suggesting I don’t have a clue why Syndicate scum teams kill who they do.
That's probably the general idea, innit?

Still I agree with your overall point. It's not a kill I'd make either. But I view such statements (including yours) with a large dash of salt because a kill is a team decision and no-one wants to be the one that can't get onside with the kill choice.

I hear ya on both points.

Posted: **Wed Apr 25, 2018 10:46 pm**

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Apr 25, 2018 10:35 pm Sounds like an Epi voter kill to me. They almost lynched someone it's typically very difficult to lynch so they offed him out of frustration.

How many mafias get frustrated Night 1 after a townie lynch?

Posted: **Wed Apr 25, 2018 10:46 pm**

Golden wrote: ↑Wed Apr 25, 2018 8:33 pm Theories

1) Baddies include one or both of dunya and wolbre
2) Baddies want us to lynch one of dunya and wolbre

Source:

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 9:46 pm
Spoiler: show
wolbre04 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 1:08 pm
sig wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 11:52 am wolbre04 When you get the chance what do you think of the Golden, MP, Mac, and Dunya?
D1 is purely conjecture on my part until someone does something overly messy to me, but Golden and Mac seem to be interested in leading the pack and being outspoken
This is fine of course, but the later the game goes, the more I consider whether they are just leading us right into the fire
"The later the game goes the more I consider whether" means you are assured you will be around later to act on this seed.

And the fire is not dangerous if you cannot be led to it.

wolbre04 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 1:08 pm Dunya was really helpful, but basically a neutral leaning town
dunya has not been helpful, and you two are teammates.

[VOTE: wolbre04] aubergine

Golden wrote: ↑Wed Apr 25, 2018 8:33 pm 3) Baddies saw Epi's performance in GoC and are intimidated by him generally
4) Baddies just want to screw with us
5) Baddies don't know what is up

Anyone want to rank these theories?

OR:

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 6:47 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 6:42 pm
Spoiler: show
Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 6:41 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 6:30 pm This is why I hate changeable votes. I always convince myself out of the thing I believe in. I should have voted Epi.
Then you are most easily convinced by a man without conviction.
Don't get lippy with me, I just kept you alive and I don't think the best course of action is to make me regret it.
You already regret it.

Scum Golden then convinces his scum buddies to off Epi. For petty revenge.

Posted: **Wed Apr 25, 2018 10:47 pm**

Dom wrote: ↑Wed Apr 25, 2018 9:44 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Apr 25, 2018 8:56 pm
colonialbob wrote: ↑Wed Apr 25, 2018 8:48 pm Ok but seriously I don't want to read this whole game tonight, can somebody maybe point me towards some of the big moments of D1?

Otherwise I'm just gonna ISO Epi and adopt all his reads.
Let's see... Dom and sig got into a thing that I avoided as much as possible...Epi was a little weirder than usual... dunya took some suspicion earlier, but had a lot of apologists... sometimes it was hard to keep up. Some of the hardcores can probably help you more.
Sounds like your GOC game play.

Minus the baddie slip, I hopejust kidding!

Posted: **Wed Apr 25, 2018 10:48 pm**

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Apr 25, 2018 10:39 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Wed Apr 25, 2018 10:35 pm Sounds like an Epi voter kill to me. They almost lynched someone it's typically very difficult to lynch so they offed him out of frustration.
Meh. I think killing Epi links it to no one. That’s the only basis for the kill to me, as well as avoiding the doctor (I think there is one of those in this game). Like, he’s the one of the least obvious kill choices mafi would make.

Also why would they be “frustrated”? It’s not like he was making waves in the civ department.

I don’t yet like your entrance, Quin

i care not

Posted: **Wed Apr 25, 2018 10:49 pm**

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 25, 2018 10:46 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Wed Apr 25, 2018 10:35 pm Sounds like an Epi voter kill to me. They almost lynched someone it's typically very difficult to lynch so they offed him out of frustration.
How many mafias get frustrated Night 1 after a townie lynch?

how many mafias avoid spontaneous decisions on night 1?

Posted: **Wed Apr 25, 2018 10:50 pm**

after reading up on sloonei I'm feeling progressively less inclined to believe that he's mafia, actually.
+3 points in my book. He's more of a neutral / town lean, and I don't want to mislynch again.
I'll elaborate more on this later.

Posted: **Wed Apr 25, 2018 10:50 pm**

He went from being the lowest on the rainbow to near middle*

Posted: **Wed Apr 25, 2018 10:53 pm**

[mention]Lunalee[/mention]

Truth bomb - if I were bad, I’d never have moved off epi to sig at the last minute. I’d have taken my shot and saved a NK.

Big dose of wifom right there but I challenge anyone to miss the truth in it.

Posted: **Wed Apr 25, 2018 10:53 pm**

Also, are you tunnelling?

Posted: **Wed Apr 25, 2018 10:55 pm**

Golden wrote: ↑Wed Apr 25, 2018 10:53 pm Also, are you tunnelling?

Me?

Posted: **Wed Apr 25, 2018 10:55 pm**

I swear to the gods if for but one quest I might earn their favor, I will journey to the Underworld and cross the river Styx to bring Epignosis bak2lyfe

Posted: **Wed Apr 25, 2018 10:56 pm**

wolbre04 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 25, 2018 10:55 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Wed Apr 25, 2018 10:53 pm Also, are you tunnelling?
Me?

Luna.

I don’t know much of what you’re up to tbh but I haven’t had any bad vibes from you yet. If anything I have a town lean.

Posted: **Wed Apr 25, 2018 10:57 pm**

[mention]Quin[/mention]

Hi man

Posted: **Wed Apr 25, 2018 10:58 pm**

I'll snatch him right out of the jaws of Cerberus if i have to

Posted: **Wed Apr 25, 2018 10:59 pm**

Golden wrote: ↑Wed Apr 25, 2018 10:57 pm Quin

Hi man

hi

Posted: **Wed Apr 25, 2018 11:04 pm**

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Apr 25, 2018 10:49 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 25, 2018 10:46 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Wed Apr 25, 2018 10:35 pm Sounds like an Epi voter kill to me. They almost lynched someone it's typically very difficult to lynch so they offed him out of frustration.
How many mafias get frustrated Night 1 after a townie lynch?
how many mafias avoid spontaneous decisions on night 1?

Boooo

Posted: **Wed Apr 25, 2018 11:26 pm**

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Apr 25, 2018 10:35 pm Sounds like an Epi voter kill to me. They almost lynched someone it's typically very difficult to lynch so they offed him out of frustration.

which one?

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Wed Apr 25, 2018 10:58 pm I'll snatch him right out of the jaws of Cerberus if i have to

[mention]Long Con[/mention]

Posted: **Wed Apr 25, 2018 11:29 pm**

Golden wrote: ↑Wed Apr 25, 2018 10:56 pm
wolbre04 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 25, 2018 10:55 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Wed Apr 25, 2018 10:53 pm Also, are you tunnelling?
Me?
-snip-
I don’t know much of what you’re up to tbh
-snip-

Being irrelevant

Posted: **Wed Apr 25, 2018 11:32 pm**

Dom wrote: ↑Wed Apr 25, 2018 11:26 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Wed Apr 25, 2018 10:35 pm Sounds like an Epi voter kill to me. They almost lynched someone it's typically very difficult to lynch so they offed him out of frustration.
which one?

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Wed Apr 25, 2018 10:58 pm I'll snatch him right out of the jaws of Cerberus if i have to
@Long Con

Ho ho, an excellent reference to my old username and nothing else. Top drawer!

Posted: **Wed Apr 25, 2018 11:35 pm**

[mention]Turnip Head[/mention] how did you know the name of the other tribe?

Posted: **Wed Apr 25, 2018 11:36 pm**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 25, 2018 5:24 pm
Turnip Head wrote: ↑Wed Apr 25, 2018 11:25 am Hey @MacDougall what voice should I be reading sloonei's posts in? It's like a rollercoaster
An evil one.

Sloonei's defense is okay if not a little over the top sounding. Basically he rationalised his play exactly like I figured he would so it changes nothing about the read but there's nothing in it to object to specifically.

Who is your top suspect independent of me?

Posted: **Wed Apr 25, 2018 11:38 pm**

Golden, GTH, is LC bad?

Posted: **Wed Apr 25, 2018 11:38 pm**

Sloonei, who should I vote for?

Posted: **Wed Apr 25, 2018 11:39 pm**

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Apr 25, 2018 10:49 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 25, 2018 10:46 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Wed Apr 25, 2018 10:35 pm Sounds like an Epi voter kill to me. They almost lynched someone it's typically very difficult to lynch so they offed him out of frustration.
How many mafias get frustrated Night 1 after a townie lynch?
how many mafias avoid spontaneous decisions on night 1?

I don't know what this post means. What does this post mean?

Also who voted for Epi and how do they all look individually?

Posted: **Wed Apr 25, 2018 11:40 pm**

Dom wrote: ↑Wed Apr 25, 2018 11:38 pm Sloonei, who should I vote for?

How about choutas?

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