I feel like the obvious reason for the LC kill would be if SVS was town and Scotty was a wolf. What if Scotty cursed himself?
Re: Ted Lasso Mafia - Day 2
Posted: Sat Dec 09, 2023 1:06 pm
by DrWilgy
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 1:04 pm
I feel like the obvious reason for the LC kill would be if SVS was town and Scotty was a wolf. What if Scotty cursed himself?
Feels like w would rather just be able to say clearly "I wouldn't make that kill"
Are we to assume Scotty trusted one of us to say it for them while commiting to the bit?
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 1:04 pm
I feel like the obvious reason for the LC kill would be if SVS was town and Scotty was a wolf. What if Scotty cursed himself?
Feels like w would rather just be able to say clearly "I wouldn't make that kill"
Are we to assume Scotty trusted one of us to say it for them while commiting to the bit?
Maybe, but I feel like someone else saying it wouldn't be far fetched especially when there's 3 other mafia.
Re: Ted Lasso Mafia - Day 2
Posted: Sat Dec 09, 2023 1:20 pm
by JaggedJimmyJay
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 1:00 pm
Bereft town
Cape town
robyn town
Rondo town
DM town
Wilgy town
Does anyone strongly disagree with any of the above (that hasn’t recently made themselves clear)?
If we broadly find this agreeable, then we’re left with:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 1:00 pm
Bereft town
Cape town
robyn town
Rondo town
DM town
Wilgy town
Does anyone strongly disagree with any of the above (that hasn’t recently made themselves clear)?
Why is thunal not town?
GTH she is, but she kinda fits with some of my suspects.
What do you read out of the fact they are not responding to me at all? Does that not strike you as odd in the slightest?
If you must know, I have a rule I try to follow in my games where I make at least 90% of my posts about solving instead of defending myself. I try not to get bogged down in defense since it just makes me annoyed and takes away from my solving.
Bereft wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 2:08 pm
I would comment on Scotty unpairings if it weren't for the fact that I already resigned myself to there being only 2 mafia that have posted at all.
Understandable. I think we're kind of left with a reasoning dilemma. Let me work it out (for my own sake):
Premise 1: Scotty doesn't fit with most active players.
Premise 2: Scotty can fit with inactive players.
Conclusion: If Scotty is mafia, then he has inactive teammate(s).
If we accept the above argument, we can proceed to another:
Premise 1: If Scotty is mafia, then he has inactive teammates.
Premise 2: Scotty is mafia.
Conclusion: He has inactive teammate(s).
Valid argument. Modus ponens. Premise two requires killing Scotty and achieving a mafia flip.
Premise 1: If Scotty is mafia, then he has inactive teammate(s).
Premise 2: The inactives aren't mafia.
Conclusion: Scotty isn't mafia.
Valid argument. Modus tollens. Premise two requires flipping multiple inactives and getting town flips.
Both work, but the latter requires more chopping. Bleh. Of course neither argument matters if the flips don't align with the premises "2". Scotty flipping town is poop.
The content of that spoiler can probably be ignored, actually. I don't think my thinking was sound, because arguments can just be inverted to suit a desired strategy. But I typed all of it, so whatever here's a post.
If I were to flip today, I do feel like it will be much more substantive to analyze who voted me and why- what looked original, what looked opportunistic.
As I’ve said in my reread, it felt like Robyn was the most opportunistic. I still think cape is town, even if he won’t get off my back.
Princess Abigail is making questionable plays if she were wolf, and though I’ve never seen her wolf game, I don’t feel like voting me looks like confused town.
SVS is straight up tunneling me, so it feels like I’m going down that path again lol and hope I’m right this time
Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 1:35 am
Town read:
Cape
Long con
Thunal (uno reversal. I dunno. Really liked the involvement I’ve seen in my read back today. Seems solvy)
Town lean:
JJJ (should not be voted today, only a doofus would do it)
Princess Abigail (I also don’t feel like mafia PA comes after the juggernaut JJJ immediately, tho I must profess I don’t know what mafia PA looks like. I’m pretty sure I’ve never seen it)
bereft (ending response about Robyn)
Scumlean:
LoRab. (Only minorly Scumlean because I haven’t seen too much town equity atm)
Scumread:
Robyn
Others need to post more
I can’t make a good read on SVS at the moment- my paranoia is coming back inadvertently because she keeps wondering why I’m not paranoid. WELL THE PARANOIA IS IN TOWN AND FOUND AN AIR BNB
We’re still missing like 3 people that haven’t posted, which is…….bad. As I have said early on with JJJ, we need town to POST in a no-info dumping game.
@RondoDimBuckle @Seanzie @ts account
Bereft wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 11:55 pm
Im getting a chuckle out of the fact that Scotty/SVS interactions have continued to be of enduring interest in the thread, even as I've found them useful for one thing and nothing else.
Scotty SVS is T v T and this is silly silly
TBD on SVS. She’s fixated on minor details when she does pop in and that’s not something I’m associating with town svs
It's too cold to walk the dog on concrete, we just did the yard this AM, so I actually have time to read the thread a bit, not just reply to @s (most of which seem to be from you?) and do some real time. And, this is a borderline post, since it doesn't really relate to suspicion, but more to general game play, but meh.
I like to tell people their tells, it makes for a more challenging game going forward. Winning is nice, but winning becasue you figured them out, is nicer, IMO. So you can tell me
Ok, well the sample size is pretty small but you’re doing the thing you did in our last game together that I associate with the bad you- it’s a habit of over-explaining and giving excuses.
And that you’re still fixated on me. Do you even have any other reads?
[VOTE:
SVS] aubergine
I can see Scotty w. I feel like Scotty's trying to appease SVS in a lot of his posts and even when he finally votes SVS he's still trying to get her off him and asks her for other reads. A lot of TBD on her and holding out on an SVS read that just feels like he's trying to get her off his back instead of solving her.
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 1:04 pm
I feel like the obvious reason for the LC kill would be if SVS was town and Scotty was a wolf. What if Scotty cursed himself?
Feels like w would rather just be able to say clearly "I wouldn't make that kill"
Are we to assume Scotty trusted one of us to say it for them while commiting to the bit?
Maybe, but I feel like someone else saying it wouldn't be far fetched especially when there's 3 other mafia.
Fair enough. Feels pretty all or nothing to me, but it may be the case.
Re: Ted Lasso Mafia - Day 2
Posted: Sat Dec 09, 2023 1:45 pm
by Thunal33
When I played with Abi as t/t she had extremely strong stances on who not to chop. She was willing to fight me and others when we voted her townreads and was extremely confident. The difference is bigger than I thought when I looked at her meta.
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 16, 2023 7:20 pm
I also think now is not the time to tinfoil Abi and she's said some borderline clearing things during her fight with leetic.
At least someone gets it
Honestly you should kill me today though
No. Rn I want to kill Wilgy today.
Mmm yikes. Wilgy is like a really bad kill here.
They haven't been playing wolfy their play makes no sense from a wolf perspective the only reason they are PoEd is cause they are slanky and barely there but is that really wolfy? The way they are slanking is just town who can't be assed
leetic wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 3:21 pm
Jack is the first person to defend me from a fake red check. I don't know if I should be happy or concerned
Oh.
Okie dokie. Let's yeet Jack
[VOTE:
Jackoftarts] aubergine
I'll join you, better wagon than the current biggest one [VOTE:
Jack] aubergine
Hell yeah, let's goooooo
If Jack is town, which I'm leaning that he is, this jump on looks terrible. Wilgy also took some time to say what would happen if leetic flipped town in response to their question isntead of something like "well you were red checked". He knew about the check, but if he didn't catch up a lot why would he know there was a real chance leetic would flip town?
[VOTE:
DrWilgy] aubergine
Pretty sure he was around when I claimed. Also I don't see how this is a jump on when Wilgy voted the wagon first?
Wilgy parking there all phase just doesn't feel wolfy this isn't a wolf play this is town Wilgy not giving a fuck
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Tue Oct 17, 2023 8:11 am
I might legit self vote if it saves Wilgy at EoD
For context, the first two posts were when I was the only one strongly sussing Wilgy.
Compare that with how she treated SVS this game. Abi townread SVS but it felt limp and she didn't do anything to justify that except one post calling Scotty/SVS t/t. SVS caught a lot of heat but she didn't jump to her defense or show she actually cared about that read.
Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 5:31 pm
I don't clear you. I lean you town
I doubt you can't notice its not a lock
This post in particular pinged me. The second line is shade, and wolf Michelle is notorious for omgus. I think it’s her instinct. Even after town reading me, she couldn’t resist the shade.
Town Michelle's notorious for omgus, yes.
You're saying?
And a not lock read isn't a shade.
Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 5:31 pm
I don't clear you. I lean you town
I doubt you can't notice its not a lock
This post in particular pinged me. The second line is shade, and wolf Michelle is notorious for omgus. I think it’s her instinct. Even after town reading me, she couldn’t resist the shade.
Town Michelle's notorious for omgus, yes.
You're saying?
And a not lock read isn't a shade.
Sorry i am late, everyone!
If that's the reason you are voting me, it's extremely weak, sir @JaggedJimmyJay
Re: Ted Lasso Mafia - Day 2
Posted: Sat Dec 09, 2023 2:21 pm
by Michelle
Guess no one is here at this hour
Re: Ted Lasso Mafia - Day 2
Posted: Sat Dec 09, 2023 2:26 pm
by Michelle
[VOTE:
Jay] aubergine
Since you complained about Omgus, take it
Re: Ted Lasso Mafia - Day 2
Posted: Sat Dec 09, 2023 2:26 pm
by Michelle
I'll come back, it's dinner time for me
Re: Ted Lasso Mafia - Day 2
Posted: Sat Dec 09, 2023 2:35 pm
by robyn
Bereft wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 12:31 pm
I'm not surprised you didn't die. I'm surprised Robyn didn't die.
Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 5:31 pm
I don't clear you. I lean you town
I doubt you can't notice its not a lock
This post in particular pinged me. The second line is shade, and wolf Michelle is notorious for omgus. I think it’s her instinct. Even after town reading me, she couldn’t resist the shade.
Town Michelle's notorious for omgus, yes.
You're saying?
And a not lock read isn't a shade.
Sorry i am late, everyone!
“I doubt you can’t notice” seemed like shade. You omgused me hard as mafia in champs.
Re: Ted Lasso Mafia - Day 2
Posted: Sat Dec 09, 2023 2:43 pm
by JaggedJimmyJay
Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 2:26 pm[VOTE:
Jay] aubergine
Since you complained about Omgus, take it
Not town
Re: Ted Lasso Mafia - Day 2
Posted: Sat Dec 09, 2023 2:46 pm
by robyn
@Thunal33 i don’t mean to demean you or anything but every post you’ve posted so far ends up being a thought or a consequence of a thought i haven’t said. you should start signing your posts as “devils advocate” or something
Re: Ted Lasso Mafia - Day 2
Posted: Sat Dec 09, 2023 2:51 pm
by robyn
jjj/scotty/thunal mighttt be clean, then like svs is lockwolf
can someone please point our the wolf mechanic that destroyed scotty’s ability to type, it’s an open setup and i couldn't find it, but it’d be dumb to fake it in an open setup
Re: Ted Lasso Mafia - Day 2
Posted: Sat Dec 09, 2023 2:52 pm
by robyn
oh wait it might just be baz
Re: Ted Lasso Mafia - Day 2
Posted: Sat Dec 09, 2023 3:06 pm
by DarlingMonroe
working my way, on page 26 rn + writing a reply with multiple quotes
Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 5:31 pm
I don't clear you. I lean you town
I doubt you can't notice its not a lock
This post in particular pinged me. The second line is shade, and wolf Michelle is notorious for omgus. I think it’s her instinct. Even after town reading me, she couldn’t resist the shade.
Town Michelle's notorious for omgus, yes.
You're saying?
And a not lock read isn't a shade.
Sorry i am late, everyone!
“I doubt you can’t notice” seemed like shade. You omgused me hard as mafia in champs.
Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 2:26 pm[VOTE:
Jay] aubergine
Since you complained about Omgus, take it
Not town
You pretend that not locking you town was omgus
When I show you a real omgus you jump to conclusions.
I already corrected this falsehood.
Re: Ted Lasso Mafia - Day 2
Posted: Sat Dec 09, 2023 3:25 pm
by Michelle
Is hard to believe you really think If i was omgusing as wolf I am not doing it with harder conviction as town
Can you explain me your jump on me? @JaggedJimmyJay
Re: Ted Lasso Mafia - Day 2
Posted: Sat Dec 09, 2023 3:26 pm
by Thunal33
robyn wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 2:46 pm
@Thunal33 i don’t mean to demean you or anything but every post you’ve posted so far ends up being a thought or a consequence of a thought i haven’t said. you should start signing your posts as “devils advocate” or something
You're not wrong lol. I do find it funny how anti-consensus my reads are today.
Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 2:26 pm[VOTE:
Jay] aubergine
Since you complained about Omgus, take it
Not town
You pretend that not locking you town was omgus
When I show you a real omgus you jump to conclusions.
What exactly about Jay's push do you find sus and do you have any other reason to suspect him?
Re: Ted Lasso Mafia - Day 2
Posted: Sat Dec 09, 2023 3:28 pm
by JaggedJimmyJay
Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 3:25 pm
Is hard to believe you really think If i was omgusing as wolf I am not doing it with harder conviction as town
Can you explain me your jump on me? @JaggedJimmyJay
I made a whole case in advance of EOD. You responded to it. I can’t go digging right now on my phone.
Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 3:25 pm
Is hard to believe you really think If i was omgusing as wolf I am not doing it with harder conviction as town
Can you explain me your jump on me? @JaggedJimmyJay
I made a whole case in advance of EOD. You responded to it. I can’t go digging right now on my phone.
I certainly didn't read any case, just the post you said that pinged you and looked extremely shallow from you
Re: Ted Lasso Mafia - Day 2
Posted: Sat Dec 09, 2023 3:32 pm
by Michelle
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 3:28 pm
I’ll be home soon. Gonna be as full blast JJJ as anyone has seen me since champs season 7. I’m done with the silly.
Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 2:26 pm[VOTE:
Jay] aubergine
Since you complained about Omgus, take it
Not town
You pretend that not locking you town was omgus
When I show you a real omgus you jump to conclusions.
What exactly about Jay's push do you find sus and do you have any other reason to suspect him?
It's about his 'ping' coming from my post where he misinterpreted my sentence as omgus.
Now I get he has a case I didn't read so if there's more then he's probably convinced so idk
Honestly if I can get a read on Jay today if we talk a little I will be content, so poking the giant with a stickomgus is the best way to do it.
