BEANS MAFIA - Day 6

[Thunal33]

Do you agree with Delta's read on LC's vote?

I think it's odd but not necessarily wolfy. I wouldn't call saying something is odd a read.

Delta, pyxxy, and Roxy have shown up but not voted my wagon. Do you think any of them are "hedging" on me?

Nah. It's clear you're dying so not everyone who suspects you needs to vote you.

But what exact reason would they have for not voting me if they think I'm scum?

Preference. Like Roxy waiting until EoD to make her vote yesterday.

Why do you think Delta isn't voting me?

Not sure but I don't really think it's AI. Do you normally try to get people to engage a lot like this or focus on how many times people are posting?

[leetic]

I think it's odd but not necessarily wolfy. I wouldn't call saying something is odd a read.

Delta, pyxxy, and Roxy have shown up but not voted my wagon. Do you think any of them are "hedging" on me?

Nah. It's clear you're dying so not everyone who suspects you needs to vote you.

But what exact reason would they have for not voting me if they think I'm scum?

Preference. Like Roxy waiting until EoD to make her vote yesterday.

Why do you think Delta isn't voting me?

Not sure but I don't really think it's AI. Do you normally try to get people to engage a lot like this or focus on how many times people are posting?

Getting people to engage is important, and asking them questions both helps my read on them and helps me get other perspectives to not have tunnel vision. It is true though that in a particularly active game (which this is not) you will always find scum in the lowposters

[leetic]

I think it's odd but not necessarily wolfy. I wouldn't call saying something is odd a read.

Delta, pyxxy, and Roxy have shown up but not voted my wagon. Do you think any of them are "hedging" on me?

Nah. It's clear you're dying so not everyone who suspects you needs to vote you.

But what exact reason would they have for not voting me if they think I'm scum?

Preference. Like Roxy waiting until EoD to make her vote yesterday.

Why do you think Delta isn't voting me?

Not sure but I don't really think it's AI. Do you normally try to get people to engage a lot like this or focus on how many times people are posting?

Also, what do you think of their readslist that didn't take a stance on me?

[leetic]

Even if Abigail is the cop, they're probably not dying tonight because my flip will make people suspicious and even if they get another redcheck it won't be believed. Just something to keep in mind before people make arguments about Abigail not dying

[Thunal33]

I decided to go back and see who leetic softballed, if anyone, in his demands for GTH reads.

Scotty 7
Delta 7
SVS 2
Dizzy 2
Jack 2
Sean 3
Thunal 1
LP 2
Roxy 1
LC 2
pyxxy 1
Wilgy 1

I don't think it's necessarily softballing to look out for. If leetic has one or more slanking partners I could see him trying to get them in the game by asking them a lot of questions.

[Delta]

Roxy / SVS / Epi / Abi
Thunal??
Wilgy / Pyxxy / Nanook ?
LC / Jack

Current headspace with how things are playing out \o/ I dont think Jack/LC stack on Pyxxy if its Jack/LC w/w so I think there's a mini like. I guess triangle of LC/Jack/Pyxxy having mafia w/ the other two being town? I think that makes most sense given how EOD went. I'm not sure it's Pyxxy in those names right now, had them as townlean d1 so maybe that's clouding things a little? but I am v curious about how that wagon started up at EOD to begin with

This kinda pings me. They make a reads list without committing to a stance on me?

Whether I do or dont, you still die today. I want to find something that I can work on outside of that because it feels like a better use of my time. I think my top row are all town regardless of what you flip, which is something comfortable. It's just working on what feels solid and then focusing on my weaker reads.

With a red check on you, that's not my focus right now

[pyxxy]

I'll be bold and [VOTE: Delta] aubergine for that. It's not like my vote for pixxy is doing any good

I might have the best timing in the world

[Thunal33]

Delta, pyxxy, and Roxy have shown up but not voted my wagon. Do you think any of them are "hedging" on me?

Nah. It's clear you're dying so not everyone who suspects you needs to vote you.

But what exact reason would they have for not voting me if they think I'm scum?

Preference. Like Roxy waiting until EoD to make her vote yesterday.

Why do you think Delta isn't voting me?

Not sure but I don't really think it's AI. Do you normally try to get people to engage a lot like this or focus on how many times people are posting?

Getting people to engage is important, and asking them questions both helps my read on them and helps me get other perspectives to not have tunnel vision. It is true though that in a particularly active game (which this is not) you will always find scum in the lowposters

You said you broke your single game post count, so do you normally play this role as a thread instigator or is this unusual?

[Delta]

I'll be bold and [VOTE: Delta] aubergine for that. It's not like my vote for pixxy is doing any good

I might have the best timing in the world

LMAO perhaps

What's your take on me right now, pyxxy? And what do you make of my reads?

[leetic]

I decided to go back and see who leetic softballed, if anyone, in his demands for GTH reads.

Scotty 7
Delta 7
SVS 2
Dizzy 2
Jack 2
Sean 3
Thunal 1
LP 2
Roxy 1
LC 2
pyxxy 1
Wilgy 1

I don't think it's necessarily softballing to look out for. If leetic has one or more slanking partners I could see him trying to get them in the game by asking them a lot of questions.

If I'm a wolf, I would try to not put attention on them and tell them to participate in wolfchat. But whatever, WIFOM and this won't matter tomorrow

[leetic]

Nah. It's clear you're dying so not everyone who suspects you needs to vote you.

But what exact reason would they have for not voting me if they think I'm scum?

Preference. Like Roxy waiting until EoD to make her vote yesterday.

Why do you think Delta isn't voting me?

Not sure but I don't really think it's AI. Do you normally try to get people to engage a lot like this or focus on how many times people are posting?

Getting people to engage is important, and asking them questions both helps my read on them and helps me get other perspectives to not have tunnel vision. It is true though that in a particularly active game (which this is not) you will always find scum in the lowposters

You said you broke your single game post count, so do you normally play this role as a thread instigator or is this unusual?

Normally there are other people who are active so I don't have to do as much

I'm also much less busy this game than I was in most of my other past towngames

[leetic]

Roxy / SVS / Epi / Abi
Thunal??
Wilgy / Pyxxy / Nanook ?
LC / Jack

Current headspace with how things are playing out \o/ I dont think Jack/LC stack on Pyxxy if its Jack/LC w/w so I think there's a mini like. I guess triangle of LC/Jack/Pyxxy having mafia w/ the other two being town? I think that makes most sense given how EOD went. I'm not sure it's Pyxxy in those names right now, had them as townlean d1 so maybe that's clouding things a little? but I am v curious about how that wagon started up at EOD to begin with

This kinda pings me. They make a reads list without committing to a stance on me?

Whether I do or dont, you still die today. I want to find something that I can work on outside of that because it feels like a better use of my time. I think my top row are all town regardless of what you flip, which is something comfortable. It's just working on what feels solid and then focusing on my weaker reads.

With a red check on you, that's not my focus right now

Do you think I'm town or wolf? If you think I'm town, you can help avoid a mislynch. There's no reason not to at least make a stance even if it doesn't influence your vote

[leetic]

@Jackofhearts2005 you're here, have anything to say? Please tell me you're a redirector

[Thunal33]

Delta, pyxxy, and Roxy have shown up but not voted my wagon. Do you think any of them are "hedging" on me?

Nah. It's clear you're dying so not everyone who suspects you needs to vote you.

But what exact reason would they have for not voting me if they think I'm scum?

Preference. Like Roxy waiting until EoD to make her vote yesterday.

Why do you think Delta isn't voting me?

Not sure but I don't really think it's AI. Do you normally try to get people to engage a lot like this or focus on how many times people are posting?

Also, what do you think of their readslist that didn't take a stance on me?

It looks like they don't want to put in effort sorting you because of the check. I don't either.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Spoiler: show

Good timing :o
It's mainly introductions, I wanted to be around for most people getting here so I could get stuck into things but since things are quiet I'm struggling a little & I didnt really want to miss this and have all of my reads being from backreading off the word go.

I dont think there's much to his intro? Aside from slank cover. I've never played w him before so I dont fully know what to expect, which is why I gave my few little questions to try ease into things

Would you say he's GTH town or scum?

I honestly dont know ;_; I liked the beans reference because haha beans game, not sure about the 'woah why so pushy' thing but I dont think I could give a GTH read either way because there's so little there right now & I dont think it's impossible to say that it could come from either alignment

Will swing your question back on you though because I'm assuming off of Scotty's reaction that you've played w/ each other before, should I take his introduction as AI?

The whole point of a GTH is that it doesn't have to be based on anything, "I don't know" is not an acceptable answer

Last time I played with him is years ago. However, regardless of player you can always tell something from introduction posts. I know my introduction would be different had I randed a different alignment

This reeks of hyper self awareness and I don’t think you really mean that

Spicy ketchup take given the vote count: I agree

I honestly dont know ;_; I liked the beans reference because haha beans game, not sure about the 'woah why so pushy' thing but I dont think I could give a GTH read either way because there's so little there right now & I dont think it's impossible to say that it could come from either alignment

Will swing your question back on you though because I'm assuming off of Scotty's reaction that you've played w/ each other before, should I take his introduction as AI?

The whole point of a GTH is that it doesn't have to be based on anything, "I don't know" is not an acceptable answer

Last time I played with him is years ago. However, regardless of player you can always tell something from introduction posts. I know my introduction would be different had I randed a different alignment

This reeks of hyper self awareness and I don’t think you really mean that

Spicy ketchup take given the vote count: I agree

And what are you actually going to do with that agreement? Do you read me as scum or what?

I'll let you know when I've actually read more than the first handful of posts.

Well, I finished VLR today and I haven't given this game enough time and the kids are all in bed so I supposed I should read and solve over here.

No activity besides me in the last 25 minutes? Lame

Feels townie.

The whole point of a GTH is that it doesn't have to be based on anything, "I don't know" is not an acceptable answer

Last time I played with him is years ago. However, regardless of player you can always tell something from introduction posts. I know my introduction would be different had I randed a different alignment

I don't think this line of questioning is fair this early in the game. Like heaven forbid we don't have a read on someone 30 posts into the game.

That said, I think it is the kinda post I would expect more from a townie than a wolf.

I'm fully aware that I earlier agreed with Scotty that this was a wolfy post. Don't care. Now it's a townie post.

That's the main thing I'm getting out of my page one. I think Leetic's interactions with most everybody are townie. He's trying to squeeze content out of people.

[VOTE: LinearPoint] aubergine

FTR, this is cause my two biggest townreads are voting there. Idk that I'll finish catching up before EOD.

[VOTE: LinearPoint] aubergine

FTR, this is cause my two biggest townreads are voting there. Idk that I'll finish catching up before EOD.

Although, the one weird thing about this votes is that it seems to be an attempt to absolve himself if things go wrong. "Don't blame me, blame my townreads!"

There's no absolution if LP goes over and is town. But it saves people the trouble of going "why do/did you suspect LP" when the answer is that I don't. I don't have any suspects yet, really.

This is what I mean by awareness. Jack anticipated criticism/questioning multiple times, like saying he voted LP because of his townreads and saying that he agreed with Scotty earlier but now disagrees. A lot of wanting to tell the thread he's catching up too, which is >rand wolf.

Also, @Jackofhearts2005 I had voted LP right before you did and you voiced that one of my posts was yucky, did it bother you at all that I was voting there?

Not particularly.

[leetic]

Nah. It's clear you're dying so not everyone who suspects you needs to vote you.

But what exact reason would they have for not voting me if they think I'm scum?

Preference. Like Roxy waiting until EoD to make her vote yesterday.

Why do you think Delta isn't voting me?

Not sure but I don't really think it's AI. Do you normally try to get people to engage a lot like this or focus on how many times people are posting?

Also, what do you think of their readslist that didn't take a stance on me?

It looks like they don't want to put in effort sorting you because of the check. I don't either.

You should put in a little, because otherwise this mislynch is gonna be partially your fault

[Jackofhearts2005]

@DrWilgy @Jackofhearts2005 Tagging since you are the two who haven't really shown up after the false redcheck. If either of you have bight actions that could have caused this to happen, you need to claim asap.

What exactly is being claimed?

[leetic]

@DrWilgy @Jackofhearts2005 Tagging since you are the two who haven't really shown up after the false redcheck. If either of you have bight actions that could have caused this to happen, you need to claim asap.

What exactly is being claimed?

A redcheck on me, if you have any night actions that might have influenced this please claim.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Holy shit 7 votes on Leetic

[Jackofhearts2005]

@DrWilgy @Jackofhearts2005 Tagging since you are the two who haven't really shown up after the false redcheck. If either of you have bight actions that could have caused this to happen, you need to claim asap.

What exactly is being claimed?

A redcheck on me, if you have any night actions that might have influenced this please claim.

Who is claiming the red check on you?

[leetic]

Holy shit 7 votes on Leetic

And what about them? Pointing out I had a lot of votes but nit doing anything about it is something you did in your last scumgame with me, just sayin'

[leetic]

@DrWilgy @Jackofhearts2005 Tagging since you are the two who haven't really shown up after the false redcheck. If either of you have bight actions that could have caused this to happen, you need to claim asap.

What exactly is being claimed?

A redcheck on me, if you have any night actions that might have influenced this please claim.

Who is claiming the red check on you?

Abigail (who subbed in for Dizzy)

[Delta]

Roxy / SVS / Epi / Abi
Thunal??
Wilgy / Pyxxy / Nanook ?
LC / Jack

Current headspace with how things are playing out \o/ I dont think Jack/LC stack on Pyxxy if its Jack/LC w/w so I think there's a mini like. I guess triangle of LC/Jack/Pyxxy having mafia w/ the other two being town? I think that makes most sense given how EOD went. I'm not sure it's Pyxxy in those names right now, had them as townlean d1 so maybe that's clouding things a little? but I am v curious about how that wagon started up at EOD to begin with

This kinda pings me. They make a reads list without committing to a stance on me?

Whether I do or dont, you still die today. I want to find something that I can work on outside of that because it feels like a better use of my time. I think my top row are all town regardless of what you flip, which is something comfortable. It's just working on what feels solid and then focusing on my weaker reads.

With a red check on you, that's not my focus right now

Do you think I'm town or wolf? If you think I'm town, you can help avoid a mislynch. There's no reason not to at least make a stance even if it doesn't influence your vote

I honestly dont know. If I completely disregarded the mech sided on you, I'd lean town but there's still mild paranoia because I'm just out of my semis game where I got pocketed by someone who interacted w/ me v similar to how you have. I had you as town D1 though & I dont really want to completely wall you out even w the check because of this 'what if' with regards to if the check is accurate or not.

Lot of words but like. GTH I'd still say town? But I dont have the balls to direct a different vote, especially with the red check & a lack of confidence in my wolf reads

[Jackofhearts2005]

@DrWilgy @Jackofhearts2005 Tagging since you are the two who haven't really shown up after the false redcheck. If either of you have bight actions that could have caused this to happen, you need to claim asap.

What exactly is being claimed?

A redcheck on me, if you have any night actions that might have influenced this please claim.

Who is claiming the red check on you?

Abigail (who subbed in for Dizzy)

No. I didn’t do anything like redirecting Dizzy/Abigail or bus driving you.

That’s a really hard check to believe.

[leetic]

Roxy / SVS / Epi / Abi
Thunal??
Wilgy / Pyxxy / Nanook ?
LC / Jack

Current headspace with how things are playing out \o/ I dont think Jack/LC stack on Pyxxy if its Jack/LC w/w so I think there's a mini like. I guess triangle of LC/Jack/Pyxxy having mafia w/ the other two being town? I think that makes most sense given how EOD went. I'm not sure it's Pyxxy in those names right now, had them as townlean d1 so maybe that's clouding things a little? but I am v curious about how that wagon started up at EOD to begin with

This kinda pings me. They make a reads list without committing to a stance on me?

Whether I do or dont, you still die today. I want to find something that I can work on outside of that because it feels like a better use of my time. I think my top row are all town regardless of what you flip, which is something comfortable. It's just working on what feels solid and then focusing on my weaker reads.

With a red check on you, that's not my focus right now

Do you think I'm town or wolf? If you think I'm town, you can help avoid a mislynch. There's no reason not to at least make a stance even if it doesn't influence your vote

I honestly dont know. If I completely disregarded the mech sided on you, I'd lean town but there's still mild paranoia because I'm just out of my semis game where I got pocketed by someone who interacted w/ me v similar to how you have. I had you as town D1 though & I dont really want to completely wall you out even w the check because of this 'what if' with regards to if the check is accurate or not.

Lot of words but like. GTH I'd still say town? But I dont have the balls to direct a different vote, especially with the red check & a lack of confidence in my wolf reads

Come on, be ballsy. This may be town's only chance

[Delta]

I am very much just no thoughts head empty when it comes to the check I wont lie ;_;

[Jackofhearts2005]

Holy shit 7 votes on Leetic

And what about them? Pointing out I had a lot of votes but nit doing anything about it is something you did in your last scumgame with me, just sayin'

They’re surprising. But less so because there’s a claimed red check on you.

And noted. I’ll keep that in mind when trying to determine my own alignment.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I do think Dizzy’s EOD1 felt townie ftr.

[Delta]

Roxy / SVS / Epi / Abi
Thunal??
Wilgy / Pyxxy / Nanook ?
LC / Jack

Current headspace with how things are playing out \o/ I dont think Jack/LC stack on Pyxxy if its Jack/LC w/w so I think there's a mini like. I guess triangle of LC/Jack/Pyxxy having mafia w/ the other two being town? I think that makes most sense given how EOD went. I'm not sure it's Pyxxy in those names right now, had them as townlean d1 so maybe that's clouding things a little? but I am v curious about how that wagon started up at EOD to begin with

This kinda pings me. They make a reads list without committing to a stance on me?

Whether I do or dont, you still die today. I want to find something that I can work on outside of that because it feels like a better use of my time. I think my top row are all town regardless of what you flip, which is something comfortable. It's just working on what feels solid and then focusing on my weaker reads.

With a red check on you, that's not my focus right now

Do you think I'm town or wolf? If you think I'm town, you can help avoid a mislynch. There's no reason not to at least make a stance even if it doesn't influence your vote

I honestly dont know. If I completely disregarded the mech sided on you, I'd lean town but there's still mild paranoia because I'm just out of my semis game where I got pocketed by someone who interacted w/ me v similar to how you have. I had you as town D1 though & I dont really want to completely wall you out even w the check because of this 'what if' with regards to if the check is accurate or not.

Lot of words but like. GTH I'd still say town? But I dont have the balls to direct a different vote, especially with the red check & a lack of confidence in my wolf reads

Come on, be ballsy. This may be town's only chance

;_;

I am not that kind of player, friend. Especially when I'm finding more townreads than I am scumreads. It's not how I roll

[leetic]

Roxy / SVS / Epi / Abi
Thunal??
Wilgy / Pyxxy / Nanook ?
LC / Jack

Current headspace with how things are playing out \o/ I dont think Jack/LC stack on Pyxxy if its Jack/LC w/w so I think there's a mini like. I guess triangle of LC/Jack/Pyxxy having mafia w/ the other two being town? I think that makes most sense given how EOD went. I'm not sure it's Pyxxy in those names right now, had them as townlean d1 so maybe that's clouding things a little? but I am v curious about how that wagon started up at EOD to begin with

This kinda pings me. They make a reads list without committing to a stance on me?

Whether I do or dont, you still die today. I want to find something that I can work on outside of that because it feels like a better use of my time. I think my top row are all town regardless of what you flip, which is something comfortable. It's just working on what feels solid and then focusing on my weaker reads.

With a red check on you, that's not my focus right now

Do you think I'm town or wolf? If you think I'm town, you can help avoid a mislynch. There's no reason not to at least make a stance even if it doesn't influence your vote

I honestly dont know. If I completely disregarded the mech sided on you, I'd lean town but there's still mild paranoia because I'm just out of my semis game where I got pocketed by someone who interacted w/ me v similar to how you have. I had you as town D1 though & I dont really want to completely wall you out even w the check because of this 'what if' with regards to if the check is accurate or not.

Lot of words but like. GTH I'd still say town? But I dont have the balls to direct a different vote, especially with the red check & a lack of confidence in my wolf reads

Come on, be ballsy. This may be town's only chance

;_;

I am not that kind of player, friend. Especially when I'm finding more townreads than I am scumreads. It's not how I roll

Lame

[Delta]

I do think Dizzy’s EOD1 felt townie ftr.

How do you feel about pyxxy right now? & why did your vote end there D1?

[Delta]

This kinda pings me. They make a reads list without committing to a stance on me?

Whether I do or dont, you still die today. I want to find something that I can work on outside of that because it feels like a better use of my time. I think my top row are all town regardless of what you flip, which is something comfortable. It's just working on what feels solid and then focusing on my weaker reads.

With a red check on you, that's not my focus right now

Do you think I'm town or wolf? If you think I'm town, you can help avoid a mislynch. There's no reason not to at least make a stance even if it doesn't influence your vote

I honestly dont know. If I completely disregarded the mech sided on you, I'd lean town but there's still mild paranoia because I'm just out of my semis game where I got pocketed by someone who interacted w/ me v similar to how you have. I had you as town D1 though & I dont really want to completely wall you out even w the check because of this 'what if' with regards to if the check is accurate or not.

Lot of words but like. GTH I'd still say town? But I dont have the balls to direct a different vote, especially with the red check & a lack of confidence in my wolf reads

Come on, be ballsy. This may be town's only chance

;_;

I am not that kind of player, friend. Especially when I'm finding more townreads than I am scumreads. It's not how I roll

Lame

Sorry x_x

[Jackofhearts2005]

Scotty has been killed. They were Jelly Beans: Vanilla Town

Seanzie has been killed. They were Coffee Beans: Town Vigilante

Dyslexicon has been subbed out for Princess Abigail

It is now day phase 2. Day will end in 48 hours, 15/10/2023 11PM BST.

Bleh.

Scotty and LP both being town does like say we were largely on the wrong track D1 but gah how often is the guy who has nearly 3 times the posts of the second top poster and they’re mostly about the actual game turn out to be a wolf? Like never.

Bleh bleh bleh

[Jackofhearts2005]

I do think Dizzy’s EOD1 felt townie ftr.

How do you feel about pyxxy right now? & why did your vote end there D1?

I don’t feel any differently. Pyxxy pinged me and asked me things they didn’t really give a shit about. It’s a bad look. Sure, one datapoint in many but at the time I didn’t have many scum indicative datapoints.

[Delta]

I do think Dizzy’s EOD1 felt townie ftr.

How do you feel about pyxxy right now? & why did your vote end there D1?

I don’t feel any differently. Pyxxy pinged me and asked me things they didn’t really give a shit about. It’s a bad look. Sure, one datapoint in many but at the time I didn’t have many scum indicative datapoints.

!_! noted

How are you reading Long Con right now?

[Jackofhearts2005]

I do think Dizzy’s EOD1 felt townie ftr.

How do you feel about pyxxy right now? & why did your vote end there D1?

I don’t feel any differently. Pyxxy pinged me and asked me things they didn’t really give a shit about. It’s a bad look. Sure, one datapoint in many but at the time I didn’t have many scum indicative datapoints.

!_! noted

How are you reading Long Con right now?

Town but don’t take that to the bank as it’s based off like 3 posts

[pyxxy]

I'll be bold and [VOTE: Delta] aubergine for that. It's not like my vote for pixxy is doing any good

I might have the best timing in the world

LMAO perhaps

What's your take on me right now, pyxxy? And what do you make of my reads?

\o/

a general fyi, but not a nag, when I catch up I generally start from the last post that I quoted and then read and quote along the way

but uh once I saw the red check I just wanted to see what would happened next

having read through, and going back to check the setup bc I like mech things i.e. max of 5 PRs, the claim seems completely reasonable to me

I kinda hate this instant reaction

Well, I know I'm probably dead already. But I implore you that we at least focus on other stuff today. Y'all do realize that this day'll be a complete waste if I flip town (which I will)

I got to experience my first fake red during my last game on MU a few months ago and it was on a townie and it was absolutely not something to just try and move past. Granted in that situation it was rescinded a few hours later and it was done by a slanking scum on a town....but I'm drawing mostly on the town reaction experience here.

Later I probably want to review how quickly the votes piled up but given it's a weekend I could see scummates just be unavailable/offline and unable to work out a better mech counterargument than this:

Here's a list of every possible scenario that I can think of:

* I am a hidden miller or just scum that didn't get the memo.
** However, this game is not bastard.
* There is a tailor
** But why would they target me when there are many other options more likely to get checked (Scotty, for instance)
* Abigail is pulling a Mikey, fakeclaiming Cop because they think there's no other way to get their scumread lynched
** But how would they be so confident of this after literally just arriving at the game
* Abigail is mafia trying to bait the CC
** Just why? Since the doctor was 2-shot, cop will likely be 2-shot as well and Abigail's slot was in no real danger
* Abigail is just intentionally throwing
** See no reason to count that out now
* Abigail is an independent — either a Jester trying to bait the CC/be exposed when I flip town or a Lyncher with me as the target
** But either of these don't exactly vibe with Dyslexicon's behavior D1. Well, aside from maybe the self-vote, but it was dropped

Why do I feel like I'm writing my own case?

I don't really know what counts as bastard and not bastard so would appreciate more than Nook chiming in on this:

I'm reasonably sure that jpic considers tailors bastard fwiw

So, mech thoughts. Let's take both players at face value first. Red check is real and leetic is town. That leaves redirection mech as the only explanation. If it was town mech I would have expected a claim by now, because a red is still a red in that case and it's probably worth leetic + redirecting the cop with someone else tomorrow night, just in case the cop has 3+ shots while the town redirector would die instead bc confirmed town. Would need to have 2+ shots of redirection, of course.

This is to say. If this is somehow what actually happened, the town redirector should claim.

But I think it's much much much more likely that the red is just a regular ol' red, or that scum has a redirection, and in the latter case I'm not going to hedge every red that comes up for that possibility. It's certainly possibly given we had a vig, but a red remains a red.

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mech aside, you (leetic) aren't really doing anything that screams town to me post-claim

This is probably the biggest town dumpster fire that I have ever been a part of

People need to realize that a red check isn't a mechanical out, especially when there is no reason to clear the cop. This is at least the third fake redcheck on me that I have dealt with, and that's not counting fake redchecks on other people

I'm still disappointed that few if any people are using any critical thinking on the supposed redcheck

Stop please.

Why? It would be anti-town to just let this mislynch happen, even if I am cursed with the knowledge that there is little if anything I can do to prevent it

Also didn't you say you would stop responding to me?

I guess I expect players here to have some baseline competence. But that turned out to be my undoing

Also, I think I surpassed my record for most posts in a single game! Not bad for a (likely) D2 mislynch

I'm a little way off my record :,) 1100 posts to beat \o/

Mine is about 1100 but I do not intend to ever do that again lol.

Well, at least one of you has to step it up (assuming you're town) since town is about to lose its most vocal poster

Excessive posting often does the opposite you want it to. Usually making content is good but when you flood the thread with posts it makes it harder for low posters to engage, not easier.

Not when you push said low posters to engage

If you do think I'm a wolf, then why am I still spewing?

What if you're in anti-spew?

My gut says that your scummates just weren't online (friday night, partying, etc) and you were already playing the high poster/working on town leader role so you had to react, you couldn't just try to be out of the thread and make a plan, and then you just kinda flailed under red check pressure.

Not committing to actually working through the mech feels pretty meh to me. Mech isn't for everyone but it's your only honest out here and instead deciding to gum up the thread with posts about how we suck at solving and that you can't believe we're buying a fake red just reads as anti-spew to me. I caught up entirely before coming to this conclusion just in case you were having a bad time but a bunch of these negative posts come after you sleep and return.

I'm just not feeling it. [VOTE: leetic] aubergine

I'm gonna go watch some football but I'll be online now and then

[leetic]

Unless Delta/Jack/Roxy is the exact team there is scum on my wagon.

[pyxxy]

yeah okay no redirection claim from Jack either

and extrapolating from our poor dead townies, I would assume scum powers are also X-shot, so you're looking at the slim chance that scum burned a redirection on leetic N1 (assuming they even have a redirection, obviously. it's reasonable given doc+vig+cop, but certainly X-shot as well then)

[DrWilgy]

Cook the goose!

Boil the duck!

Pepper the chicken!

lead the way, chefwilgy

[DrWilgy]

Cook the goose!

Boil the duck!

Pepper the chicken!

Nice wagon you're joining. What will you do when I flip town?

Probably cry a little.

Maybe eat dinner. EoD is around that time.

Then look at your reads and see if they take me somewhere.

Oh also figure out who started the wagon on you.

[leetic]

Jack is the first person to defend me from a fake red check. I don't know if I should be happy or concerned

[Delta]

Maybe I'm completely misunderstanding how redirects work but for the red check to be a redirect, wouldn't Abi need to have been sent to a wolf to begin with?

If so, I cant see it being a redirect at all because town prot had just died, I dont see why anyone would then redirect a town to them/their partner?

[Delta]

Unless they somehow like. Fucking divined that Abi/Dizzy was an investigative or something. But that's a mech spiral I dont particularly want to go down because I'm awful with mech discussion as is

[DrWilgy]

Jack is the first person to defend me from a fake red check. I don't know if I should be happy or concerned

Oh.

Okie dokie. Let's yeet Jack

[VOTE: Jackoftarts] aubergine

[pyxxy]

Roxy / SVS / Epi / Abi
Thunal??
Wilgy / Pyxxy / Nanook ?
LC / Jack

Current headspace with how things are playing out \o/ I dont think Jack/LC stack on Pyxxy if its Jack/LC w/w so I think there's a mini like. I guess triangle of LC/Jack/Pyxxy having mafia w/ the other two being town? I think that makes most sense given how EOD went. I'm not sure it's Pyxxy in those names right now, had them as townlean d1 so maybe that's clouding things a little? but I am v curious about how that wagon started up at EOD to begin with

This kinda pings me. They make a reads list without committing to a stance on me?

Whether I do or dont, you still die today. I want to find something that I can work on outside of that because it feels like a better use of my time. I think my top row are all town regardless of what you flip, which is something comfortable. It's just working on what feels solid and then focusing on my weaker reads.

With a red check on you, that's not my focus right now

Epi has faded a bit for me today but also it's a red check day so he's still townlean for me
SVS I liked
Roxy I did not, tbh. All the interacting with leetic could be w/w in my eyes. Roxy I like you it's not personal I'm just suspicious because I know often you have little time for games and thus focus on solid read, solid vote, but having time to chop it up with leetic.....just felt weird to me, like you wanted to get some cred and look active by arguing with them. Would also slot into my "your scummates were offline" rough theory.

Thunal's been good. Good thoughts. I keep wanting to respond to them but then have nothing to add. Need an upvote button.
Had and have my eye on Wilgy.
I'm terrible at reading Nook so, sure, I could poe him.
Haven't re-read LC yet like I promised to. I did see that someone thought LC's reaction to leetic being outed was weird. It didn't ping me during my catchup but I'll see that in the ISO later, obviously.

Those are my thoughts

*goes to hit Submit* oh wait. what about you

Since D1 I think you've been the most willing to interact with leetic out of anyone in the thread. It didn't feel like leetic being outed changed that dynamic. That seems odd to me. Do you feel like you did change how you two were interacting after Abi showed up?

[DrWilgy]

Maybe I'm completely misunderstanding how redirects work but for the red check to be a redirect, wouldn't Abi need to have been sent to a wolf to begin with?

If so, I cant see it being a redirect at all because town prot had just died, I dont see why anyone would then redirect a town to them/their partner?

If there was a busdriver by the normal use, then yes, and busdriver should speak up as the redirect swap would reveal the real red.

If it's redirect and shenanigans, then who knows?

[leetic]

I'll be bold and [VOTE: Delta] aubergine for that. It's not like my vote for pixxy is doing any good

I might have the best timing in the world

LMAO perhaps

What's your take on me right now, pyxxy? And what do you make of my reads?

\o/

a general fyi, but not a nag, when I catch up I generally start from the last post that I quoted and then read and quote along the way

but uh once I saw the red check I just wanted to see what would happened next

having read through, and going back to check the setup bc I like mech things i.e. max of 5 PRs, the claim seems completely reasonable to me

I kinda hate this instant reaction

Well, I know I'm probably dead already. But I implore you that we at least focus on other stuff today. Y'all do realize that this day'll be a complete waste if I flip town (which I will)

I got to experience my first fake red during my last game on MU a few months ago and it was on a townie and it was absolutely not something to just try and move past. Granted in that situation it was rescinded a few hours later and it was done by a slanking scum on a town....but I'm drawing mostly on the town reaction experience here.

Later I probably want to review how quickly the votes piled up but given it's a weekend I could see scummates just be unavailable/offline and unable to work out a better mech counterargument than this:

Here's a list of every possible scenario that I can think of:

* I am a hidden miller or just scum that didn't get the memo.
** However, this game is not bastard.
* There is a tailor
** But why would they target me when there are many other options more likely to get checked (Scotty, for instance)
* Abigail is pulling a Mikey, fakeclaiming Cop because they think there's no other way to get their scumread lynched
** But how would they be so confident of this after literally just arriving at the game
* Abigail is mafia trying to bait the CC
** Just why? Since the doctor was 2-shot, cop will likely be 2-shot as well and Abigail's slot was in no real danger
* Abigail is just intentionally throwing
** See no reason to count that out now
* Abigail is an independent — either a Jester trying to bait the CC/be exposed when I flip town or a Lyncher with me as the target
** But either of these don't exactly vibe with Dyslexicon's behavior D1. Well, aside from maybe the self-vote, but it was dropped

Why do I feel like I'm writing my own case?

I don't really know what counts as bastard and not bastard so would appreciate more than Nook chiming in on this:

I'm reasonably sure that jpic considers tailors bastard fwiw

So, mech thoughts. Let's take both players at face value first. Red check is real and leetic is town. That leaves redirection mech as the only explanation. If it was town mech I would have expected a claim by now, because a red is still a red in that case and it's probably worth leetic + redirecting the cop with someone else tomorrow night, just in case the cop has 3+ shots while the town redirector would die instead bc confirmed town. Would need to have 2+ shots of redirection, of course.

This is to say. If this is somehow what actually happened, the town redirector should claim.

But I think it's much much much more likely that the red is just a regular ol' red, or that scum has a redirection, and in the latter case I'm not going to hedge every red that comes up for that possibility. It's certainly possibly given we had a vig, but a red remains a red.

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mech aside, you (leetic) aren't really doing anything that screams town to me post-claim

This is probably the biggest town dumpster fire that I have ever been a part of

People need to realize that a red check isn't a mechanical out, especially when there is no reason to clear the cop. This is at least the third fake redcheck on me that I have dealt with, and that's not counting fake redchecks on other people

I'm still disappointed that few if any people are using any critical thinking on the supposed redcheck

Stop please.

Why? It would be anti-town to just let this mislynch happen, even if I am cursed with the knowledge that there is little if anything I can do to prevent it

Also didn't you say you would stop responding to me?

I guess I expect players here to have some baseline competence. But that turned out to be my undoing

Also, I think I surpassed my record for most posts in a single game! Not bad for a (likely) D2 mislynch

I'm a little way off my record :,) 1100 posts to beat \o/

Mine is about 1100 but I do not intend to ever do that again lol.

Well, at least one of you has to step it up (assuming you're town) since town is about to lose its most vocal poster

Excessive posting often does the opposite you want it to. Usually making content is good but when you flood the thread with posts it makes it harder for low posters to engage, not easier.

Not when you push said low posters to engage

If you do think I'm a wolf, then why am I still spewing?

What if you're in anti-spew?

My gut says that your scummates just weren't online (friday night, partying, etc) and you were already playing the high poster/working on town leader role so you had to react, you couldn't just try to be out of the thread and make a plan, and then you just kinda flailed under red check pressure.

Not committing to actually working through the mech feels pretty meh to me. Mech isn't for everyone but it's your only honest out here and instead deciding to gum up the thread with posts about how we suck at solving and that you can't believe we're buying a fake red just reads as anti-spew to me. I caught up entirely before coming to this conclusion just in case you were having a bad time but a bunch of these negative posts come after you sleep and return.

I'm just not feeling it. [VOTE: leetic] aubergine

I'm gonna go watch some football but I'll be online now and then

Most likely, this was the result of a scum ability, and they'll never claim. It would be weird if scum had an odd ability when the two PRs that flipped have been fairly standard, but I see no reason to fully discount that possibility right now. As the great Dirk Gently said, something being impossible merely presupposes that there is something we do not know, "and God knows there is a lot of that". Believe me, I even checked my role PM to be sure!

As for the last part, I admit my complaining about town this game probably hasn't been productive and is born out of frustration, but you are ignoring a lot of posts if you think that's all I've done since the claim.

[Delta]

Roxy / SVS / Epi / Abi
Thunal??
Wilgy / Pyxxy / Nanook ?
LC / Jack

Current headspace with how things are playing out \o/ I dont think Jack/LC stack on Pyxxy if its Jack/LC w/w so I think there's a mini like. I guess triangle of LC/Jack/Pyxxy having mafia w/ the other two being town? I think that makes most sense given how EOD went. I'm not sure it's Pyxxy in those names right now, had them as townlean d1 so maybe that's clouding things a little? but I am v curious about how that wagon started up at EOD to begin with

This kinda pings me. They make a reads list without committing to a stance on me?

Whether I do or dont, you still die today. I want to find something that I can work on outside of that because it feels like a better use of my time. I think my top row are all town regardless of what you flip, which is something comfortable. It's just working on what feels solid and then focusing on my weaker reads.

With a red check on you, that's not my focus right now

Epi has faded a bit for me today but also it's a red check day so he's still townlean for me
SVS I liked
Roxy I did not, tbh. All the interacting with leetic could be w/w in my eyes. Roxy I like you it's not personal I'm just suspicious because I know often you have little time for games and thus focus on solid read, solid vote, but having time to chop it up with leetic.....just felt weird to me, like you wanted to get some cred and look active by arguing with them. Would also slot into my "your scummates were offline" rough theory.

Thunal's been good. Good thoughts. I keep wanting to respond to them but then have nothing to add. Need an upvote button.
Had and have my eye on Wilgy.
I'm terrible at reading Nook so, sure, I could poe him.
Haven't re-read LC yet like I promised to. I did see that someone thought LC's reaction to leetic being outed was weird. It didn't ping me during my catchup but I'll see that in the ISO later, obviously.

Those are my thoughts

*goes to hit Submit* oh wait. what about you

Since D1 I think you've been the most willing to interact with leetic out of anyone in the thread. It didn't feel like leetic being outed changed that dynamic. That seems odd to me. Do you feel like you did change how you two were interacting after Abi showed up?

Not really? On my side I dont think I've changed anything, at least while I've been here

I dont want to wall anyone out & there's no real downside to continuing discussion with leetic anyway so I'm fine to keep things going. I had a situation in my champs semifinal where I was redchecked as town and got collectively fucking barred from the thread and tunneled to death on my final day. It was weird. Wasnt a great experience. So I'd like to not repeat that, because even if leetic is mafia, it's worth continuing to talk \o/

[leetic]

Jack is the first person to defend me from a fake red check. I don't know if I should be happy or concerned

Oh.

Okie dokie. Let's yeet Jack

[VOTE: Jackoftarts] aubergine

I'll join you, better wagon than the current biggest one [VOTE: Jack] aubergine