The Syndicate

sig wrote: ↑Sat Mar 17, 2018 9:05 pm @Dom

Pretty good summary for our end, a button was pushed and the groups got mixed up. Annnnnd are you mafia?

LoRab wrote: ↑Fri Mar 16, 2018 9:00 pm Brief summary--or at least comments on the players who are still here:

We were really sucking at successfully lynching anyone. Until we had a unanimous vote on Marmot (including Marmot) during day 7. Until then, we weren't sure we actually could lynch anyone.

Jack was killed during the last night cycle, the first second death on our beach. He was certainly saying that he was civ (as you can read), and didn't have any real current suspicion, as far as I know.

There is lingering suspicion of Boomslang, leftover from the start of the game. Personally, I wasn't suspecting him, mainly because I didn't think that he'd nk niju. But, after LC's reveal, the general assumption here has seemed to be that there is more than one mafia (since he was identified as a member of the Evil Evens, and not just general mafia (implying more than one).

Wilgy has had a good deal of suspicion

INH has had ongoing suspicion.

Niju has has some suspicion, mainly because of an odd comment she made about not realizing that her early BTSC partner (nutella) was on the other beach. But she cleared that up, mostly. She's off my radar for the moment, at least. While I am not basing much on first roles, given the connection between her role and LA's, and the fact that the hosts have said that the first role and second roles are paired, my gut tells me that they are indy or neutral.

Sig had a lot of votes (relative) the other day. Then he was nk-ed. Suspicion of him has largely faded, especially since once he became active in the game again, his posts have seemed pretty civ. For some, it could also be because of his role--my own personal bias is that the roles tell us nothing about alignment and that we can't/shouldn't assume anything based on them.

There was some earlier suspicion of me, as per usual. Sloonei posted that he was no longer suspicious of me. No idea how sig is currently feeling. They're the 2 I remember mentioning it.

I have a thousand questions for the other beach dwellers. But, I need to go finish a paper that is due today and I should really finish that.

I notice colonialbob is listed as in this tribe, but he isn't on the poll. Have people been not on the polls in your former tribe?

linkitis:

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Mar 16, 2018 8:12 pm

LoRab wrote: ↑Fri Mar 16, 2018 8:10 pm Hello, new people!!

Hi

R U bad

Nope.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Fri Mar 16, 2018 8:19 pm Hi Cerberii !

Does Nijuu have any clue who would kill her? Epi was obsessed with this trying to figure out who was bad day 2 based on Nijuu getting NKed.

Also how many bad teams you all think we have? I think two different kills, I think the day 1/3 kills were made by someone with a different mindset than the 2/4 kills. I was killed by the same (presumably) team as the 2/4 kills, INH and Scotty. I was moderately aggressive in lynching LC, so i was guessing they went for me for revenge.

Best theories on who killed who and why?

I don't think she ever speculated who would kill her. There was some initial conversation about it, but no conclusions.

I think we have 2 teams, personally. More than 2 would be unbalanced, and I agree that there is more than one mafia (as I said above). I also read the "evil evens" as implying that they kill on even nights.

We also had a good deal of speculation that the mafias are not complete teams. Because of ambiguity in the rules, which implies that one's first role is not necessarily aligned the same as the second. And the line "mafia players who have BTSC," which could be read that there are mafia members who do not have BTSC, there is some belief that some players join the mafia after their first role. Or are mafia who don't have BTSC with the rest of their team.

As for speculation on kill motivations, 1-Niju: no idea. 2-Scotty was reading pretty civ, I think, so kill was likely based on that. 3- Jack was reading pretty civ, as well. 4-no kill. 5-Sig-really weird target, since he had a lot of suspicion. 6-SVS-you commented on that above, the one nk from your beach. 7-Jack. My gut says that the mafia that I assume targeted him twice (both odd nights), either because he was a thorn in their side or because they had reason to believe or knowledge that he was civ.

INH was also day killed--and we're not sure what's up with that. It seemed like a civ-related ninja type kill, as suspicion was high on him at the time. Since he was the nurse (and glad you didn't infect anyone!), some felt he may be civ. But, as I said, I'm not putting much on the first roles in terms of assuming they are civ/mafia, and as it seems that someone can become evil during the game.

OK....I really need to finish my paper now...

linkitis again: Thanks for the clarification on your feelings of me, sig.

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 1:54 pm

nutella has died. She was:

You are 16: Fox news (BLUE vs RED). Once, at any time, you may choose a player whose role and affiliation will be announced in the thread. If that player is mafia, they will be announced to be a civilian. If that player is civilian, they will be announced to be mafia. If that player is independent, your shot will fail. The player may not be from your team. You are MAFIA and a member of the EVIL EVENS.

Day 8 continues.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 2:57 pm This makes me feel somewhat better about Chuck, as it says the target cannot be on the Nutella team, and if bad, Chuck would most def be on the Evens. When I first saw it my immediate reaction was, well, there you go. But I seriously doubt there is more than one false flip role. Unless LCs power extended beyond death.

I do remember LC and Nutella speculating about whether the Nutella/Nijuu pairing was bad/civ, and about how that might work.

Pikachus, what is your recollection of the DDL/Nutella lynch? This was the final vote:

Dragon D Luffy
Voters: Epignosis, colonialbob, speedchuck, nutella, DharmaHelper, Long Con

nutella
Voters: Dom, Dragon D. Luffy, S~V~S

Quin and sprit didn't vote.

DDL's oroginal role started him with a -2 vote, and every night he picked a player that also started the next day with -2. LC also had a vote manip role.

At first DDL was lynched, but the next day they announced Nutella had been lynched. We now know Nutella and LC were teammates.

This is mega confusing, hopefully someone else shows up to help figure it out.

Quin wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 3:18 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 2:57 pm This makes me feel somewhat better about Chuck, as it says the target cannot be on the Nutella team, and if bad, Chuck would most def be on the Evens. When I first saw it my immediate reaction was, well, there you go. But I seriously doubt there is more than one false flip role. Unless LCs power extended beyond death.

I do remember LC and Nutella speculating about whether the Nutella/Nijuu pairing was bad/civ, and about how that might work.

Pikachus, what is your recollection of the DDL/Nutella lynch? This was the final vote:

Dragon D Luffy
Voters: Epignosis, colonialbob, speedchuck, nutella, DharmaHelper, Long Con

nutella
Voters: Dom, Dragon D. Luffy, S~V~S

Quin and sprit didn't vote.

DDL's oroginal role started him with a -2 vote, and every night he picked a player that also started the next day with -2. LC also had a vote manip role.

At first DDL was lynched, but the next day they announced Nutella had been lynched. We now know Nutella and LC were teammates.

This is mega confusing, hopefully someone else shows up to help figure it out.

But speedchuck's role was exposed as town. If nutella did that, doesn't that make him mafia?

Quin wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 3:47 pm Do we think nutellas flip could be a forge by LC? We never found out if his role worked past death.

Quin wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 4:21 pm I think we can afford to leave speedchuck alone for a while. If we don't get a normal forger role flip in the next few lynches we can come back to him.

[VOTE: DDL] aubergine

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 5:26 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 5:18 pm I've been gone all weekend. Sorry about that. What are we doing?

Quin and I want to lynch DDL. If you look at the lynch here in Cerberus, his vote for a tangent looks even baddier. You have been suspecting him on and off, right?

Dom wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 5:38 pmRNG?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 5:41 pm SVS, you've been looking for an excuse to vote for me. One has come along. What's up?

nijuukyugou wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 5:43 pm Woo, the first time an ISO of SVS can be done within minutes! Thanks, crazy game mechanics!

I do like your reasoning for lynching DDL - that's some serious weird voting shenanigans after the craziness with LC. His responses to accusations in here seem rather salty. Perhaps he feels as if there's not much to defend against? That's how I would see it if it were me. Whether that's indicative of alignment, as I know I've gotten annoyed on both sides of the coin, is left to be said. That's wishy-washy as hell, I know, but to my credit, I'll slap an aubergine on DDL now.

I'm also glad for an outsider's perspective of the commentary on the lynch shenanigans between the two tribes. I've been on and off involved in this game, and I guess I took it for granted that sig and Sloonei had made those comments so immediately with the assumptions about the lynch system. It made sense. I'd say I didn't have time to parse out all of the mechanics of everything at the time, but that would only be partially true - this has been a beautifully quiet tribe to keep up with, so that's been both a boon and a bane when it came to baddie-hunting.

I'm rambling. I feel like I should address other things. But I'm gonna go ahead and post. I'll have a tab open.

Linki - LET ME POSTTTTTTTTT

nijuukyugou wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 5:43 pmDom!

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 5:56 pm

nijuukyugou wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 5:43 pm Woo, the first time an ISO of SVS can be done within minutes! Thanks, crazy game mechanics!

I do like your reasoning for lynching DDL - that's some serious weird voting shenanigans after the craziness with LC. His responses to accusations in here seem rather salty. Perhaps he feels as if there's not much to defend against? That's how I would see it if it were me. Whether that's indicative of alignment, as I know I've gotten annoyed on both sides of the coin, is left to be said. That's wishy-washy as hell, I know, but to my credit, I'll slap an aubergine on DDL now.

I'm also glad for an outsider's perspective of the commentary on the lynch shenanigans between the two tribes. I've been on and off involved in this game, and I guess I took it for granted that sig and Sloonei had made those comments so immediately with the assumptions about the lynch system. It made sense. I'd say I didn't have time to parse out all of the mechanics of everything at the time, but that would only be partially true - this has been a beautifully quiet tribe to keep up with, so that's been both a boon and a bane when it came to baddie-hunting.

I'm rambling. I feel like I should address other things. But I'm gonna go ahead and post. I'll have a tab open.

Linki - LET ME POSTTTTTTTTT

I think I already have more posts than Boom or Daisy, lol

@Dom yeah, re DDL that was my thought. That vote when it was tied between sig and LC (that we know of, who knows what kind of mindfuckery was going on behind the scenes), DDLs vote looks so bad. Plus he was looking baddie on and off most of his time in Pikachu. The only think keeping me from voting him was my thought that he had stopped the night actions, but Marmots death looked to reveal that he did it. So

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 3:48 pm In light of the opposing LC/sig wagons on LCs 2nd lynch, I am going to leave my vote on DDL at this point.

I would rather lynch on thread based behavior than an info dump that is somewhat ambiguous, but that lynch makes DDL look bad as hell, IMO. Very seriously bad.

Linki @Quin you don't remember that? He defended him so aggressively and pushed hard for the Dom lynch instead. It's the whole reason I suspected him. Nutella flip actually made me feel better about Chuck.

You came in here suspecting DDL, do you still feel that way? Look at my post and sigs up above, that vote of DDls was shady as all hell.

Dom wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 6:22 pm
three people from the same bad team on our tribe?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 5:44 pm Please don't lynch me.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 6:31 pm

Dom wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 6:22 pm
three people from the same bad team on our tribe?

It's possible. It depends on if there are two bad teams or a bad team and an SK and we have no way of knowing that. "Evens" could mean there are "Odds" or it could be Golden fucking with us, lol.

That vote looks so bad, knowing they were possibly trying to mount a save of him over here. I did not have a chance to read all the way through that lynch over here yet to see who was pushing sig hardest. I did look at the polls, and NO ONE voted for him the day before.

But in light of that, DDLs vote looks especially bad to me. You disagree?

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 6:26 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 3:48 pm In light of the opposing LC/sig wagons on LCs 2nd lynch, I am going to leave my vote on DDL at this point.

I would rather lynch on thread based behavior than an info dump that is somewhat ambiguous, but that lynch makes DDL look bad as hell, IMO. Very seriously bad.

Linki @Quin you don't remember that? He defended him so aggressively and pushed hard for the Dom lynch instead. It's the whole reason I suspected him. Nutella flip actually made me feel better about Chuck.

You came in here suspecting DDL, do you still feel that way? Look at my post and sigs up above, that vote of DDls was shady as all hell.

I don't follow. I bad because I didn't vote for LC?

This game is zzzzzzzzz

Dom wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 6:39 pm why does he HAVE to be LC's teammate?

I see why ou think he aws PROBABLY LC's teammate.
But I don't see why you think he MUST be LC's teammate.
Why can he not be on another bad team?

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 6:42 pm

Dom wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 6:39 pm why does he HAVE to be LC's teammate?

I see why ou think he aws PROBABLY LC's teammate.
But I don't see why you think he MUST be LC's teammate.
Why can he not be on another bad team?

Becasue he spent all of that time and energy trying to lynch YOU instead of LC. Why the hell would a baddie from team A go balls to the walls to save a baddie from Team B? Either he's LC's teammate or he's not bad, imo.

I could be wrong there, but where the hell was everyone else all day when I was here by myself lol? Do you think DDL's vote in the LC vs Dom vs sig lynch does NOT look bad?

Dom wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 6:48 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 6:42 pm

Dom wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 6:39 pm why does he HAVE to be LC's teammate?

I see why ou think he aws PROBABLY LC's teammate.
But I don't see why you think he MUST be LC's teammate.
Why can he not be on another bad team?

Becasue he spent all of that time and energy trying to lynch YOU instead of LC. Why the hell would a baddie from team A go balls to the walls to save a baddie from Team B? Either he's LC's teammate or he's not bad, imo.

I could be wrong there, but where the hell was everyone else all day when I was here by myself lol? Do you think DDL's vote in the LC vs Dom vs sig lynch does NOT look bad?

I said I agreed with you on DDL... I have voted DDL several times and plan on voting him.
I just don't get why Speed is getting such an easy clear from you

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 6:55 pm He got outed as a bad who is not on LC's team that's what i'm saying.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 7:13 pm My first role was revealed. I think it's okay to say it was a doctor

Haha is epi in the other thread, trying to lynch me?

Nice, we have our second mafia team. This game is going really well.

Can you tell I'm exceedingly busy? I'll swap them over (no secrets revealed by reading my flavour text )

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 7:21 pm Oh. I just thought it was funny. No worries, Golden

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 7:14 pm Yay! Good job Pikachu! So two teams confirmed. That helps to figure stuff out. And more vote manips :o

Plus it gives us more time to figure this all out re DDL and Chuck and Nutella.

sig wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 8:13 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 7:14 pm Yay! Good job Pikachu! So two teams confirmed. That helps to figure stuff out. And more vote manips :o

Plus it gives us more time to figure this all out re DDL and Chuck and Nutella.

How do you know we had vote manipulation.

Not surprised we've got two teams, meaning if we've got a vig I think Speed needs to be axed. Otherwise I suggest we all vote for him tomorrow. True he went balls to the walls for LC, but if he thought LC was a civ he could've been attempting to earn points for himself or maybe which I think could be more logical he was forced to vote where he voted? That role has made an appearance a few times this year I believe.

Also sorry for missing EOD I got distracted by some school things.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 8:20 pm

sig wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 8:13 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 7:14 pm Yay! Good job Pikachu! So two teams confirmed. That helps to figure stuff out. And more vote manips :o

Plus it gives us more time to figure this all out re DDL and Chuck and Nutella.

How do you know we had vote manipulation.

Not surprised we've got two teams, meaning if we've got a vig I think Speed needs to be axed. Otherwise I suggest we all vote for him tomorrow. True he went balls to the walls for LC, but if he thought LC was a civ he could've been attempting to earn points for himself or maybe which I think could be more logical he was forced to vote where he voted? That role has made an appearance a few times this year I believe.

Also sorry for missing EOD I got distracted by some school things.

We had two baddie vote manipulators on Pikachu, and Marmots role was a vote manip role. I read the host posts, that's how I know.

And I don't see how anyone could have thought LC was a civ. You were not there, sig. Everyone was waving their pitchforks and screaming for blood EXCEPT Chuck, and to a lesser extent, DH. There was no civvie cred to be had.

I spent a lot of time and energy trying to lynch Chuck, but if Nutella was LC's teammate, I have problems seeing him as bad.

you are the one who pointed out the lynch the day LC was lynched. Do you think DDL looks good?