The Syndicate

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 4:46 pmdizzy can you post me a link to a game where you're civ in it, please?

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 6:45 pm Hoooo boy I just feel better and better about this Luna lynch. There's some bussers in here for sure and imma catch them.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 6:35 pm Kyle asking "why am I town" and "why am I green" all the time is freaking me out.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 6:07 pm @Lunalee did you suspect sloonei before it became a you or him thing?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 6:34 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 6:33 pm I have no idea what you want me to respond to. Back to resting.

Turnip made a case for you being scum. He mentioned how you put together your read list and the creative choices with the colors.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 6:56 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 6:07 pm @Lunalee did you suspect sloonei before it became a you or him thing?

I thought I did, but looking back at my posts, it's not very clear.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 6:51 pmi go out of my way to make myself hard to read early on in most games so whenever people place me especially far from the center of their rainbow lists it irks my buttons. asking for clarification allows me to know if they're being sincere or not

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 6:58 pmOh, that.

I don't see much reason to respond to it. No idea how it correlates with a read of me. I was just using the syndicate to haphazardly paste as I jumped around the thread and got some basic reads. First town, then scum, then in-betweens, then a couple of light variations.

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 7:02 pmSo faaaaaake

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 7:07 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 6:51 pmi go out of my way to make myself hard to read early on in most games so whenever people place me especially far from the center of their rainbow lists it irks my buttons. asking for clarification allows me to know if they're being sincere or not

K. Trying to be hard to read is pretty unhelpful when town imo.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 7:24 pmyeah, everyone always says that but I don't think I do anything that much different than anyone else, I'm just a little more transparent about it than most people are.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 7:28 pm so are we just running out the clock in silence now?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 7:30 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 7:28 pm so are we just running out the clock in silence now?

I'm here. Slightly distracted. Do you have a read on K-Ness?

Also would like updated thoughts on him from Jacccccckkkk.

Simon wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 7:35 pm Hello !!! so I am just joining a vote Lunalee band wagon since she has 8 votes.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 7:32 pm There's a science to making oneself just unreadable enough to avoid being considered for a nightkill in the early stages of a game. I also think there might sometimes be some residual effects of the Syndicate era in which people needed to survive the entire game to be crowned "winners".

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 7:29 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 7:24 pmyeah, everyone always says that but I don't think I do anything that much different than anyone else, I'm just a little more transparent about it than most people are.

Well, I try to make it obvious that I'm town when I'm town (except maybe D1 for lols and reads), and then I just have a miserable time when I'm scum. : p But hey, you do you and all.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 7:44 pmgoing all out and doing your best is fine but for me it just leads to burnout and hating mafia after like 2 games. by tempering my town play early on i can still enjoy the game in general regardless of what alignment i roll. and like you said, playing each game as if it's the only game that matters just leads to having more difficult games in the future for like... basically no reason.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 7:45 pmI do get burnouts often. I'm actually on break right now. xD

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 7:48 pm Luna, any last words?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 8:15 pm i wonder why they chose to use that so early?

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 8:17 pm Bullz and Marmot are my susses

Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Sep 25, 2018 11:50 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Sep 25, 2018 11:23 am

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Sep 25, 2018 11:15 am @Marmot I ask you to give me a single read on a person. Or more if it pleases you.

And to answer this question, everyone is mafia until I have proven otherwise.

I don't like Marmot.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Wed Sep 26, 2018 6:52 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Sep 26, 2018 6:36 pm

Bullzeye wrote: ↑Wed Sep 26, 2018 4:54 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Sep 25, 2018 5:19 pm Analysis post part 1:
Bullzeye gives his reason for voting Quin. He dislikes Quin's questions, and even after Quin provides a valid response, Bullzeye responds with basically "I'm going to say your response looks fake because I'm so set on voting for you." Not the best look.

This is such a generic criticism that it could be applied to nearly every vote in nearly every game ever. The majority of votes happen because one person suspects another and that person's responses don't satisfy the accuser. What one person finds valid, another might not. I didn't find his explanation believable.

Oh, hi! You. You are the one.

[VOTE: Bullzeye] aubergine

I was starting to feel bad for suspecting Bullzeye for a lame reason, but then you just jump in and back me up. Why?

Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 12:09 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 12:06 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 12:04 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 11:42 am

Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 11:21 am

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 11:12 am

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Turnip Head wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 10:33 am

It stems mostly from how speedchuck assembled his reads list.

It started here:

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So he starts with only some town reads, which is like, okay, some people process their thoughts like that. No yellow or orange reads yet which means that there was nothing pressing on his mind about bad guys yet.

Twenty minutes later, it looks like this:

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Only two more civ reads given out, for Kyle and sprityo. But sprityo is colored a brighter shade of green, and he revises his coloring of JackofHearts2005 to match the sprityo color. Looking back at the context of the thread, Jack and sprityo were the two players that speedchuck was currently interacting with in between his first list and his second one.

Keeping all this in mind, all other names are colored either the yellow or the orange color and it looks slightly haphazard. Simon stands alone with his own shade of yellow on Speedchuck's list, this gives an unearned sense of depth to the list imo, as if Speed has thoughts about Simon that he's not sharing, which feels disingenuous because Simon's not exactly lighting up the thread with posts. It feels like a fake read.

His read on Luna feels a little fake here too, yellow. Speed and Luna are married iirc and they usually have some interaction with each other, if he had her as yellow I'd expect some heavier thoughts about it, but he's mostly avoided the topic of Luna, as you can see here.

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Chuck sounds kinda scared of nutella here Why did he want to comment on this? It feels like he was provoked by this post yet is trying to downplay his reaction to it.

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"I won't defend myself" sounds like a buzz phrase that Speedchuck is trying to knock off his Bad Bot Bingo board.

hmmm this is good analysis. I especially like your thoughts on his weird multi-step rainbow construction, because that did seem a little odd but I didn't really know what to do with it. But yeah starting with some town POE and then throwing on the yellows and oranges like that... could be fake.

Of all things to comment on about this analysis. I didn't know the way a rainbow list was created could be alignment-indicative

So you disagree? You don't think it's odd that he didn't start with any scum reads?

Not really, no. Most people don't post unfinished rainbows like that, so you don't know which way they started them. If speed were scum, he probably would have been more careful with creating the list and would not have posted it until it was done.

Okay, fair. What do you think of the placement of Simon specifically?

I don't know. I feel like everyone in the game is hesitant to go after Simon because he's younger, and they want to give him a chance to play. Perhaps that's why Speed wasn't sure how to place him, and he ended up in "not-acting-town-but-don't-want-to-go-after-him-orange"