The Syndicate

Posted: **Tue Jan 12, 2021 8:44 am**

locking the N1 kill on nanook glgl

Posted: **Tue Jan 12, 2021 8:50 am**

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 7:16 am This stopped being funny a while ago.

This is fair. Sorry. Normally I give up the trolling after D1, but haven't really had the time since the flip to do anything else yet.

I'll shut up now unless I'm playing the game.

Posted: **Tue Jan 12, 2021 8:54 am**

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 8:50 am
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 7:16 am This stopped being funny a while ago.
This is fair. Sorry. Normally I give up the trolling after D1, but haven't really had the time since the flip to do anything else yet.

I'll shut up now unless I'm playing the game.

Posted: **Tue Jan 12, 2021 8:56 am**

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 8:50 am
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 7:16 am This stopped being funny a while ago.
This is fair. Sorry. Normally I give up the trolling after D1, but haven't really had the time since the flip to do anything else yet.

I'll shut up now unless I'm playing the game.

I support it ftr

Posted: **Tue Jan 12, 2021 9:03 am**

Just so my position is clear:

I didn't intend to join, only sub. I am indeed busy irl. I can explain that in OT Green below, just in case anyone wants to read it. I often slank on D1 because D1s suck and anyone who says otherwise is insane or wrong. I figured as the game slowed down a bit and we gained some hard info, I'd get into it. I...still think I might. You can say 'but but 1500 posts!' all you want, it's only N1.

I also so far have not felt worried when reading the thread. I liked the Made and Guillo options. I don't find anything concerning about the vocal peeps like Hally and Dizzy, who I think are town. Epi's doing some good heavy lifting too, and I'd decided to townlean him even before that. I have a few 'hmms' I'm not sure about, like Long Con, but that's been explored as a possibility so far too. So like...there's nothing I feel compelled to add, because I think the people who seem town are indeed town, and they're leading the rest of us down the right paths.

So I'll do more, or at least I intend to. But keep your expectations low. And if you don't like it, blame Boris.

On that note, my working hours haven't increased so much as the usual 'teaching' routine is gone and now I have to plan and deliver online lessons for the next probably six weeks at least. It's one thing to know this will happen and take steps to prepare for it, it's another for the Prime Minister to announce it at 8pm on the day kids returned after the Xmas break. I'm not even really stressed or anything, it's just that I'm basically doing a new job that mimics teaching but isn't, and it takes up my mental capacity.

Most teachers are doing half their workload, but I've been one of the unlucky sods who has actually had their teaching timetable increase. In fact no one in my school is currently delivering more online lessons than me.

Posted: **Tue Jan 12, 2021 9:04 am**

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 8:56 am
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 8:50 am
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 7:16 am This stopped being funny a while ago.
This is fair. Sorry. Normally I give up the trolling after D1, but haven't really had the time since the flip to do anything else yet.

I'll shut up now unless I'm playing the game.
I support it ftr

I know you do. I wish I could play game with only Nanooks and Radishes.

Actually that'd be terrible, nevermind.

Posted: **Tue Jan 12, 2021 9:05 am**

radishes is probably just town here

Posted: **Tue Jan 12, 2021 9:07 am**

Hally wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 9:05 am radishes is probably just town here

Welcome to the club

Posted: **Tue Jan 12, 2021 9:10 am**

i still want him to do things, but i find it unlikely this is the approach he takes to the game as a wolf especially with his teammate getting a lot of heat and ultimately eliminated D1. i feel like wolf!him would feel compelled to make himself more town read as he saw how D1 was unfolding so as not to let his team down

Posted: **Tue Jan 12, 2021 9:43 am**

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 3:07 am I will note that I have no objections to the consensus townreads as far as I see them. Albeit I'm not in sync enough to know for sure how the game 'feels', I don't feel like anything's wrong.

(Of course the flip side of that is since there are strong townies working together, I have little motivation to push myself to do more, at least beyond making sure I can't be a mischop for the wolves.)

How can /you/ not feel like there’s anything wrong? Everyone wants to chop you

Posted: **Tue Jan 12, 2021 9:45 am**

Several pages to catch up on; I was playing Dominion last night, not Mafia.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 12:13 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 12:10 am oh I think the grabbing quote thing from marmot is definitely rand wolf given the flip :P
The thought crossed me tbh. But holy shit, the cindy katers and their obsession with bussing. You gotta stop doing that.

I will never.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 12:18 am
Hally wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 12:14 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 12:08 am town:

tutuu
lc
jules
epi
marmot
dizzy

probably town:
sean
guillo
mr
hally

hmm:
nanook
remind me why you town read radishy?
I can't get into the mindset of someone who'd roll wolf and not be top poster, on one hand. But also, MR isn't even trying to go through the motions. It seems like he's keeping up with the game, but he's spurning calls to participate. And there's some genuine frustration it feels at some points in the ISO. Just fits the archetype for easy mischop it seems. Maybe it won;t matter.

Tony, can you explain this viewpoint? In my experience, supertown folk often take the top posting spots, and I've seen plenty of low-posting wolves. You think that if MR is a wolf in this game, he's top poster?

Hally wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 1:00 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 12:58 am
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 12:54 am Can someone confirm that Epi is against bussing? I’ve probably heard it before. I feel none of his votes D1 were strong, and it seems like he just ended on Made randomly almost.

Jules would never bus in that manner, I don’t think.
I think I've only seen it happen once. He bussed DDL Day 1 in a game a while back, and it was pretty glorious to watch. I forget, but I think it was even a pre-meditated bus. This is kind of a pitiful attempt at a bus by his standards if that's what happened this game.

Then again, I've been away for 2 years and have missed a lot.
yea, that’s the thing. if you’re going to bus a teammate D1 you probably don’t do it by essentially naked voting them. that gets you no cred. wolves want cred if they’re going to bus

Epi is one of the only player that I know if strongly anti-bussing. I usually suggest it on very early in the game when I'm scum, but if Epi's on the team, he belittles the idea.

Three pages yet to catch up... I just didn't want to get bogged down in quoting. I'll post at the end of each page maybe.

Posted: **Tue Jan 12, 2021 9:57 am**

I think if MR is a wolf he tries to create a semblance of caring

Posted: **Tue Jan 12, 2021 9:59 am**

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 9:43 am
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 3:07 am I will note that I have no objections to the consensus townreads as far as I see them. Albeit I'm not in sync enough to know for sure how the game 'feels', I don't feel like anything's wrong.

(Of course the flip side of that is since there are strong townies working together, I have little motivation to push myself to do more, at least beyond making sure I can't be a mischop for the wolves.)
How can /you/ not feel like there’s anything wrong? Everyone wants to chop you

but isn’t that kind of the point. a wolf got eliminated D1 and radishes is in almost everyone’s poe. why would w!radishes be content with that?

Posted: **Tue Jan 12, 2021 10:07 am**

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 1:07 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 1:02 am I think a more salient question is whether Epi decides to shake off his quasi-retirement slumber to go full throttle in a game he rolls scum when he has in recent games been half throttle

I think it’s more likely he rolled town and his pride is goading him into playing hard

And this game is full of so many wonderful people and Epignosis is excited to play with us all!!!!!!!!!!

I think Epi would be more likely to go full throttle if he's scum, especially when a teammate goes down on Day 1. He'd have a sense of responsibility to his scummates.

Posted: **Tue Jan 12, 2021 10:22 am**

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 9:43 am
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 3:07 am I will note that I have no objections to the consensus townreads as far as I see them. Albeit I'm not in sync enough to know for sure how the game 'feels', I don't feel like anything's wrong.

(Of course the flip side of that is since there are strong townies working together, I have little motivation to push myself to do more, at least beyond making sure I can't be a mischop for the wolves.)
How can /you/ not feel like there’s anything wrong? Everyone wants to chop you

Yeah, but I understand why. It's not that I've done anything specifically scummy so much as I've not done anything to clear myself. I can't really be mad about that considering it's more or less true.

Posted: **Tue Jan 12, 2021 11:05 am**

Good morning everyone, and a wonderful morning it is (meaning my team won last night! and we caught a wolf!). I've read through the debate about the Made move to Radishes and I need to turn that over in my head a bit. My gut reaction is Radishes is probably town but I'm not comfortable yet with why Made's vote would have been on Guillo on the first place if Guillo was mafia. Someone probably explained why that would be the case and I just haven't retained it.

My first order of business this morning is to iso Tony and then I'm going to iso long con. Every game I play with LC he is hard for me to read but I'm going to try again. Help me out if you think there is something LC has done that should be telling me he is town.

I'll probably take another look at Radishes iso too. I need to see if there is good reason for me starting to lean town there.

I feel good about everyone else right now.

Also @Hally thanks for the breakdown of how those votes moved at the end of EOD.

Posted: **Tue Jan 12, 2021 11:19 am**

TSP more like This Scummy Prick haha

Posted: **Tue Jan 12, 2021 11:27 am**

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 1:06 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 7:36 pm
Made wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 7:35 pm So I iso'd Tutuu and half way through I caught myself reading all of her post in the voice of Mojo jojo.
Spoiler: show
In of itself that's not alignment indicative, but like in combo with her 180 tone shift from Shadows it's sus

2 mafia down, looking for the last one now.
I think instead you should read it in the voice of Bubbles when Bubbles hit her head and thought she was Mojo Jojo.
No. Read it in the voice of HIM.

Who is he?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 8:42 am I can throw these names out cause there’s no way i get NKed even if I’m right lol

Why not?

Posted: **Tue Jan 12, 2021 11:39 am**

lc, who is mafia?

Posted: **Tue Jan 12, 2021 12:02 pm**

My list looks something like this right now

Long Con
tutuu
Marmot
Hally
Dyslexicon
juliets
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
Seanzie
Epignosis
Guillotine
Master Radishes
TonyStarkPrime

I didn't like Tony's explanation of why Radishes shouldn't be a suspect, they can be wolves together, and Made's suspicion of Tony seemed flat ("wolves aren't intentional?" and "180 going on 360"), plus Tony's placement in Made's Player Salad is just that sweet spot. Posts from Tony like the mathematical stuff or egging on Epi and I read like non-solving filler chatter.

Radishes feels like a scum who has watched the towncore form around him and didn't do enough to prevent/join it, and didn't want to have TONAL SHIFT suspicion like tutuu had to deal with earlier, so he went with the stubborn route instead. When it didn't make people let up, he's now saying he'll make a change, but so far it's just words.

Guillo's sudden "Gotcha!" vote on me after I voted him looks suspicious after I got over my initial surprise. It reads like a wolf that realized he needs a loud case to shift the building pressure away from them, and he gave up on it pretty easily when I said "just kidding".

Epignosis is normally inscrutable, but his reaction to my reaction to his vote on me was a complete 180 with no follow-up. I commented it on it earlier and he ignored it, and ignoring an Epi-reference is not something I usually see him do because his ego is quite large.

Posted: **Tue Jan 12, 2021 12:04 pm**

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 11:19 am TSP more like This Scummy Prick haha

Posted: **Tue Jan 12, 2021 12:07 pm**

So let’s say someone bussed

Posted: **Tue Jan 12, 2021 12:08 pm**

Hally Nanook wolves last guess write it down legacy read

Posted: **Tue Jan 12, 2021 12:09 pm**

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 12:07 pm So let’s say someone bussed

tutuu
Dyslexicon
Hally
juliets
Epignosis
Guillotine

Least-to-most-likely?

Posted: **Tue Jan 12, 2021 12:10 pm**

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 12:08 pm Hally Nanook wolves last guess write it down legacy read

Logic?

Posted: **Tue Jan 12, 2021 12:13 pm**

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 12:08 pm Hally Nanook wolves last guess write it down legacy read

it’s true, it’s all true

Posted: **Tue Jan 12, 2021 12:14 pm**

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 12:09 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 12:07 pm So let’s say someone bussed
tutuu
Dyslexicon
Hally
juliets
Epignosis
Guillotine

Least-to-most-likely?

is this your ordering? or are you asking tony what his is?

Posted: **Tue Jan 12, 2021 12:15 pm**

Clearly I think Hally most likely :P but from a rational perspective, probably push Epi up to third and the rest of the list stays as is

Posted: **Tue Jan 12, 2021 12:16 pm**

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 12:10 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 12:08 pm Hally Nanook wolves last guess write it down legacy read
Logic?

Feels right

Posted: **Tue Jan 12, 2021 12:18 pm**

Hally wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 12:14 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 12:09 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 12:07 pm So let’s say someone bussed
tutuu
Dyslexicon
Hally
juliets
Epignosis
Guillotine

Least-to-most-likely?
is this your ordering? or are you asking tony what his is?

Both I guess? It's my ordering, and I was asking Tony too?

Posted: **Tue Jan 12, 2021 12:22 pm**

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 12:18 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 12:14 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 12:09 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 12:07 pm So let’s say someone bussed
tutuu
Dyslexicon
Hally
juliets
Epignosis
Guillotine

Least-to-most-likely?
is this your ordering? or are you asking tony what his is?
Both I guess? It's my ordering, and I was asking Tony too?

why do you have epi that low if he’s anti-bussing? do you think he made an exception here?

also i’m not really sure why i’m that high, because objectively speaking i think my vote is pretty questionable on its face. it came out of nowhere/had no progression so i’m curious why you don’t think it would be bus

Posted: **Tue Jan 12, 2021 12:26 pm**

Hally wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 12:22 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 12:18 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 12:14 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 12:09 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 12:07 pm So let’s say someone bussed
tutuu
Dyslexicon
Hally
juliets
Epignosis
Guillotine

Least-to-most-likely?
is this your ordering? or are you asking tony what his is?
Both I guess? It's my ordering, and I was asking Tony too?
why do you have epi that low if he’s anti-bussing? do you think he made an exception here?

also i’m not really sure why i’m that high, because objectively speaking i think my vote is pretty questionable on its face. it came out of nowhere/had no progression so i’m curious why you don’t think it would be bus

I put that list together mostly based on how suspicious I think each player is, not how their vote looked in context or their assumed bussing opinions. When Tony asked, I grabbed the six names and ordered them based on what I thought was most likely for each one to be "the busser". More GTH than considered.

Posted: **Tue Jan 12, 2021 12:27 pm**

the argument for epi being the busser i guess is that his vote was naked/kind of out of nowhere and was his last post of the day, so it’s possible he didn’t intend to leave his vote on made but then just couldn’t come back to change it. it’s kind of impossible to know what the intent there was

Posted: **Tue Jan 12, 2021 12:27 pm**

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 12:26 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 12:22 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 12:18 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 12:14 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 12:09 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 12:07 pm So let’s say someone bussed
tutuu
Dyslexicon
Hally
juliets
Epignosis
Guillotine

Least-to-most-likely?
is this your ordering? or are you asking tony what his is?
Both I guess? It's my ordering, and I was asking Tony too?
why do you have epi that low if he’s anti-bussing? do you think he made an exception here?

also i’m not really sure why i’m that high, because objectively speaking i think my vote is pretty questionable on its face. it came out of nowhere/had no progression so i’m curious why you don’t think it would be bus
I put that list together mostly based on how suspicious I think each player is, not how their vote looked in context or their assumed bussing opinions. When Tony asked, I grabbed the six names and ordered them based on what I thought was most likely for each one to be "the busser". More GTH than considered.

gotcha

Posted: **Tue Jan 12, 2021 12:30 pm**

i can’t really hate on lc’s posts. he’s playing well if he’s a wolf

Posted: **Tue Jan 12, 2021 12:31 pm**

Ok I've read through TSP but I can't say it helped very much. He did defend tutuu which was a towny look (or I guess it could be TMI) but otherwise I don't find anything to really grab onto one way or the other. His posting style (short posts most of the time) gets in my way I think of analyzing him. I'm going to keep trying though. I'll ISO someone else and come back to him again, both after my workout.

Posted: **Tue Jan 12, 2021 12:35 pm**

Hally wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 12:30 pm i can’t really hate on lc’s posts. he’s playing well if he’s a wolf

Really

Posted: **Tue Jan 12, 2021 12:42 pm**

I've already alluded to having LC in my own PoE. His rainbow list up there is really just feeding that suspicion.

It’s more or less, minus I’d say Epi, a consensus list. That's fine in itself, but it feels quite...evenly spaced. He even has his yellows as Nook and Seanzie, two slots who haven’t really received suspicion but also haven’t really received firm townreads from others. If the wolf team is going to need to work for some extra mischops, those are two of the options they need.

As for his individual explanations, aside from the one about me, they are all anchored in specific moments. It feels…nitpicky, like he’s found one specific scummy moment and is blowing it up into a full case.

In particular, his read on Epi is pretty weak, or at least certainly not strong enough to overcome the amounts of work Epi has put in recently on finding Made connections. I don't mind LC's explanation itself so much as the fact that it alone seems enough to ignore anything else Epi has done, which doesn't feel like it's coming from a townie mindset.

Posted: **Tue Jan 12, 2021 12:43 pm**

/game-related content biznitches

Have I earned myself any further sarcastic comments yet?

Posted: **Tue Jan 12, 2021 12:50 pm**

Hally wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 12:27 pm the argument for epi being the busser i guess is that his vote was naked/kind of out of nowhere and was his last post of the day, so it’s possible he didn’t intend to leave his vote on made but then just couldn’t come back to change it. it’s kind of impossible to know what the intent there was

Hmm, good point. I still think he handles it with a little more gusto, but this is a good argument otherwise.

I hope other people will look at Made's iso and make some inferences. I'm extremely fallible.

Posted: **Tue Jan 12, 2021 12:51 pm**

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 12:43 pm /game-related content biznitches

Have I earned myself any further sarcastic comments yet?

Give it to us you sassy radish

Posted: **Tue Jan 12, 2021 12:53 pm**

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 12:51 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 12:43 pm /game-related content biznitches

Have I earned myself any further sarcastic comments yet?

Give it to us you sassy radish

I'm going to save it for the right moment.

Posted: **Tue Jan 12, 2021 1:04 pm**

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 12:42 pm I've already alluded to having LC in my own PoE. His rainbow list up there is really just feeding that suspicion.

It’s more or less, minus I’d say Epi, a consensus list. That's fine in itself, but it feels quite...evenly spaced. He even has his yellows as Nook and Seanzie, two slots who haven’t really received suspicion but also haven’t really received firm townreads from others. If the wolf team is going to need to work for some extra mischops, those are two of the options they need.

As for his individual explanations, aside from the one about me, they are all anchored in specific moments. It feels…nitpicky, like he’s found one specific scummy moment and is blowing it up into a full case.

In particular, his read on Epi is pretty weak, or at least certainly not strong enough to overcome the amounts of work Epi has put in recently on finding Made connections. I don't mind LC's explanation itself so much as the fact that it alone seems enough to ignore anything else Epi has done, which doesn't feel like it's coming from a townie mindset.

I generally use more colours in my rainbow lists than most. I like having the gradations there. What suspicions do you have that defy the consensus?

It is a good point about Epi though. I skimmed his big Made post collections because I was in catchup mode, I need to go back and read them more thoroughly, same with synopsis someone did about how the votes flowed at EOD. Right now, I'm in online school Zoom meeting, so I'm not deep diving into anything. My Epi opinion excludes analysis of his N1 content.

Posted: **Tue Jan 12, 2021 1:07 pm**

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 12:42 pm I've already alluded to having LC in my own PoE. His rainbow list up there is really just feeding that suspicion.

It’s more or less, minus I’d say Epi, a consensus list. That's fine in itself, but it feels quite...evenly spaced. He even has his yellows as Nook and Seanzie, two slots who haven’t really received suspicion but also haven’t really received firm townreads from others. If the wolf team is going to need to work for some extra mischops, those are two of the options they need.

Also, I stand by my divisions. It's not like I defaulted the yellows into their place, I've had mild suspicion of both of them that keep them from the green.

Posted: **Tue Jan 12, 2021 1:19 pm**

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 12:42 pm I've already alluded to having LC in my own PoE. His rainbow list up there is really just feeding that suspicion.

It’s more or less, minus I’d say Epi, a consensus list. That's fine in itself, but it feels quite...evenly spaced. He even has his yellows as Nook and Seanzie, two slots who haven’t really received suspicion but also haven’t really received firm townreads from others. If the wolf team is going to need to work for some extra mischops, those are two of the options they need.

As for his individual explanations, aside from the one about me, they are all anchored in specific moments. It feels…nitpicky, like he’s found one specific scummy moment and is blowing it up into a full case.

In particular, his read on Epi is pretty weak, or at least certainly not strong enough to overcome the amounts of work Epi has put in recently on finding Made connections. I don't mind LC's explanation itself so much as the fact that it alone seems enough to ignore anything else Epi has done, which doesn't feel like it's coming from a townie mindset.

And what's up with the first line that nobody asked for: "Don't forget I have mentioned LC before, so this doesn't look like OMGUS"

Posted: **Tue Jan 12, 2021 1:24 pm**

Hally wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 9:10 am i still want him to do things, but i find it unlikely this is the approach he takes to the game as a wolf especially with his teammate getting a lot of heat and ultimately eliminated D1. i feel like wolf!him would feel compelled to make himself more town read as he saw how D1 was unfolding so as not to let his team down

Not sure about that tbh.

Posted: **Tue Jan 12, 2021 1:29 pm**

Hally wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 7:43 am taking a look at EoD again

Made wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 6:12 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 5:47 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 5:46 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 5:45 pm Probably won't be around for EoD, so gonna vote Guillo to make it interesting.

[VOTE: Guillotine] aubergine
Made's scummier. I just like D1 rands if we can get 'em.

Spoiler: show

I'd move my vote here if you're down @Marmot
made directly pings marmot to ask him to vote radishes with him

Made wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 6:14 pm But what are you thoughts on the Guillotine wagon?
then immediately after tries to shift attention back to guillo

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 6:39 pm
Made wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 6:12 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 5:47 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 5:46 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 5:45 pm Probably won't be around for EoD, so gonna vote Guillo to make it interesting.

[VOTE: Guillotine] aubergine
Made's scummier. I just like D1 rands if we can get 'em.

Spoiler: show

I'd move my vote here if you're down @Marmot
Ooooh, that's spicy!

I'll think about it, but if this day quitely winds down the way it's looking to, it won't matter.
marmot seems open to voting radishes. can this be w/w with made? it seems a bit brazen because it would mean they’re openly plotting in the thread almost, but i guess not impossible

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 6:39 pm Pretty quiet for EoD...
sean is uncomfortable

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 6:41 pm
Made wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 6:14 pm But what are you thoughts on the Guillotine wagon?
Guillo hasn't really stuck out to me one way or the other. But I think I have a tendency to focus on a couple or a few players and ignore everyone else. Guillo's in my everyone else category.
a post

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 6:45 pm I am a bit worried. If there are three wolves, I can't imagine they are all on one wagon trying to save their scummate right now. Unless if both Guillotine and Made are wolves, I feel like there would be more activity trying to move wagons around. Made did try to move votes onto MR, which is interesting, but other than that, the quiet is creeping me out.
another post

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 6:51 pm I wish I was one of the votes for Made right now so I could unvote and create tension to see what happens. I hate how quiet it is. Is this a usual EoD here?
i feel this is unlikely to come from a wolf in this spot

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 6:52 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 6:51 pm I wish I was one of the votes for Made right now so I could unvote and create tension to see what happens. I hate how quiet it is. Is this a usual EoD here?
Quite the opposite, I'm a little concerned it's going to be miss because of it.
marmot sort of bolsters/latches onto sean’s discomfort

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 6:53 pm [VOTE: Master Radishes] aubergine

There's your spiciness sean.
and then he follows through and votes radishes to make it

guillo - 5 (nook, lc, sean, radishes, made)
made - 5 (dizzy, tutuu, jules, epi, guill)
radishes - 3 (tony, me, marmot)

i don’t really see what this accomplishes if marmot is a wolf. his switch off made hasn’t put made out of danger. made is still tied for the lead

also, both people who have expressed interest in voting elsewhere (sean and made) are voting guillo, so any shift in votes will go guillo -> radishes not made -> radishes. and all that will do is make radishes made’s counterwagon instead of guillo, which w!marmot shouldn’t care about unless the team is exactly made/marmot/guillo and radishes is town. but in that world, why doesn’t marmot just stay voting made so when made flips marmot gets cred?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 6:53 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 6:52 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 6:51 pm I wish I was one of the votes for Made right now so I could unvote and create tension to see what happens. I hate how quiet it is. Is this a usual EoD here?
Quite the opposite, I'm a little concerned it's going to be miss because of it.
Yeah, this feels off. I feel like Made/Guillotine are either S/S or T/T based on the quiet, and I am having doubts about S/S...
another post

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 6:54 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 6:53 pm [VOTE: Master Radishes] aubergine

There's your spiciness sean.
Thanks, lets see what happens!
i find it unlikely this is w/w between sean and marmot

Hally wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 6:55 pm hi, just woke up and caught up real quick

i honestly have not really retained why made and guillo are wagons. actually i probably haven’t retained most stuff so far this game. but anyway, i’m voting made because iirc guillo had posts that i liked. also tutuu and dizzy are on made and i wanna vote with them

[VOTE: made] aubergine
so then i pop in not knowing marmot has just switched to radishy and i vote made. this makes it

guillo - 5 (nook, lc, sean, radishes, made)
made - 6 (dizzy, tutuu, jules, epi, guill, me)
radishes - 2 (tony, marmot)

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 6:55 pm If it's a tie, it's randomized.

I'd prefer not to have the chop result be randomized, so I'll switch back if it remains like this.
then marmot says he’ll switch back to made if it looks like it will be a tie

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 6:57 pm [VOTE: Master Radish] aubergine I don't like how quiet the thread is leading up to a Made or Guillotine lunch...

Made wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 6:58 pm [VOTE: Mr Radishes] aubergine
then both sean and made switch. this makes it

guillo - 3 (nook, lc, radishes)
made - 6 (dizzy, tutuu, jules, epi, guill, me)
radishes - 4 (tony, marmot, sean, made)

i find it unlikely made and sean would be w/w off of this. it’s too open wolfy for made and sean to vote radishes one after the other like this as w/w. it’s a lot of exposure just to save a goon

also again, this move doesn’t put made out of danger. it just makes radishes the counterwagon over guillo, but made is still in the lead comfortably. even if i switched back to radishy, which from an outsider’s pov i think was reasonably likely, all that would do is tie it. so this doesn’t really do much

also, if i had switched back to tie it, marmot had already expressed he would switch back to made to avoid a rand. so it doesn’t really seem like radishes was in danger of going over unless i switched back at the last second and didn’t give marmot a chance to switch in time

Hally wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 6:59 pm i don’t know if i want to chop radishes anymore D1, because there’s a chance i can find him as town once he starts posting for real. but it will be pretty annoying if he’s a wolf and i caught him D1 then let him get away. it’s fine though, i dunno
then i say i don’t really want to chop radishes anymore. from an outsider’s pov i could still have switched back on a whim though. i mean, wolves don’t know for sure what i’ll do

but the thing is, even if made is w/w with radishes he can’t switch off radishes regardless. when he voted radishes that close to EoD and made radishes his counterwagon he committed to the bus. in the world they’re both wolves, he cannot unvote radishes a minute before he’s about to flip unless he wants to sink radishes too

so it’s really up to me on whether it’s a tie, and i clearly expressed i didn’t really want to go back to radishy. so i think it’s reasonable for made to assume here that he’s going over and not radishes. but before i made this post, i think i easily could have switched back to radishy and made marmot the decider, and he presumably shifts back to made. so it would still be made going over. so yeah, i dunno. it seems unlikely made would think he was ever not going to be the chop over radishes or guillo

This is a great synopsis of EoD. Just as an addition, I will say that from my perspective, an MR chop did seem reasonably likely in the moment. I am definitely not the best player here, so Idk how good of a perception I truly have of the thread as a whole, but I've seen EoD CFDs happen pretty much just as often as they don't in early days of a game. Also, I think once I moved off Guillotine, the chances of a Guillotine chop were virtually zero. I honestly think that the only reason MR didn't get chopped was just because a lot of people weren't around EoD. Maybe I am wrong about that, but with Marmot, me and Made all moving in that direction, others very easily could have followed.

As such, I don't necessarily buy all the arguments made for a Made/MR team with distancing. It felt to me in the moment that Made's vote was an honest attempt to get MR lunched, and that an MR CFD was viable. Not sure what that is worth, but since a lot of people have been talking about it, I'll say that even if it ended up at 6/4 Made/MR, this isn't obviously bussing from my perspective.

Posted: **Tue Jan 12, 2021 1:36 pm**

EoD CFD's are not uncommon here either, I've seen plenty, and I'd say on Day 1 more often than not.

Posted: **Tue Jan 12, 2021 1:37 pm**

Hally wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 12:27 pm the argument for epi being the busser i guess is that his vote was naked/kind of out of nowhere and was his last post of the day, so it’s possible he didn’t intend to leave his vote on made but then just couldn’t come back to change it. it’s kind of impossible to know what the intent there was

Yes. This has happened me a couple of times lol

Posted: **Tue Jan 12, 2021 1:57 pm**

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 1:29 pmAs such, I don't necessarily buy all the arguments made for a Made/MR team with distancing. It felt to me in the moment that Made's vote was an honest attempt to get MR lunched, and that an MR CFD was viable. Not sure what that is worth, but since a lot of people have been talking about it, I'll say that even if it ended up at 6/4 Made/MR, this isn't obviously bussing from my perspective.

If Made and MR were on a team, what do you think Made would have done when the two of them were the top contenders that late in the day?

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