The Syndicate

Posted: **Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:57 pm**

@MacDougall Maybe you should vote on the counter wagon?

Posted: **Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:57 pm**

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:57 pm I do not feel good about this at all. If my sudden feel on Mac is right then Alison probably town he was shielding/pocketing.

[VOTE: ender] aubergine

Posted: **Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:57 pm**

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:55 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:51 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:45 pm Reads progression explanation:
Tiering down Lu Ren because they seem inno but I can't townlock anymore if my reads are in a wrong state.

Downgrading Alison because my reread seeded doubts. Upping Nanook because they're tied to Axe for now, re-eval later.

Upping Falcon because they actually seem to be playing town-meta.

Mac gets dropped to maybe scum because their slank is bad.
Yoooo this is a fucking scumslip you know I've been sleeping.
I mean, the vote on Alison is a scum claim, but I couldn't see a way to kill him today. Not enough votes.

Missed the mark by...

Oh my god he's shooting the wrong direction.

Posted: **Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:57 pm**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:56 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:55 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:54 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:52 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:51 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:45 pm Reads progression explanation:
Tiering down Lu Ren because they seem inno but I can't townlock anymore if my reads are in a wrong state.

Downgrading Alison because my reread seeded doubts. Upping Nanook because they're tied to Axe for now, re-eval later.

Upping Falcon because they actually seem to be playing town-meta.

Mac gets dropped to maybe scum because their slank is bad.
Yoooo this is a fucking scumslip you know I've been sleeping.
You were afk most of yesterday afternoon but okay.
You really think volume is a tell for me? You just wolfed with me and I 300 posted d1. Opportunistic as fuck.
Is it that you were sleeping or is it that volume isn't a tell for you?
how bout both

Sorry, I don't have enough money to talk to you.

Posted: **Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:58 pm**

cfd plz

Posted: **Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:58 pm**

fingersplints wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:45 pm Ok so looks like Alison and bo each three. My gut still says Alison town, so I’d probably prefer bo but I don’t know if this Alison suspicion is going to monopolise every day might be better to just get it over with

Can someone quickly summarise points on bo sorry

fingers wolfin

Posted: **Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:58 pm**

Could cfd mac but it's last minute

Posted: **Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:58 pm**

ENDER CFD ENDER CFD

Posted: **Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:58 pm**

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:58 pm Could cfd mac but it's last minute

open wolf

Posted: **Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:58 pm**

Mac you vote is useless

Posted: **Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:59 pm**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:58 pm ENDER CFD ENDER CFD

nah......Would you vote fingers?

Posted: **Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:59 pm**

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:58 pm Mac you vote is useless

you're useless

Posted: **Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:59 pm**

[VOTE: Ender] aubergine

Posted: **Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:59 pm**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:58 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:58 pm Could cfd mac but it's last minute
open wolf

Not enough votes, join counter wagon on bo

Posted: **Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:59 pm**

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:59 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:58 pm ENDER CFD ENDER CFD
nah......Would you vote fingers?

no

Posted: **Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:59 pm**

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:59 pm [VOTE: Ender] aubergine

Are you serious.

Posted: **Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:59 pm**

Alison

Posted: **Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:59 pm**

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:59 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:58 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:58 pm Could cfd mac but it's last minute
open wolf
Not enough votes, join counter wagon on bo

could have been enough votes if y'all voted instead of just saying you couldn't.

Posted: **Sun Jul 11, 2021 6:00 pm**

I count 3. I tried earlier Mac, why you no listen?

Posted: **Sun Jul 11, 2021 6:03 pm**

@BoKnows was yeeted, he was town.

It's Night 2, the thread is now locked.

Spoiler: show

Posted: **Mon Jul 12, 2021 6:53 pm**

@Seanzie was deaded, he was town.

It's Day 3, you have ~48 hours

Spoiler: show

Posted: **Mon Jul 12, 2021 6:55 pm**

So I thought night was one hour later than it was so that explains my eod..

Posted: **Mon Jul 12, 2021 6:57 pm**

Host Clarification:

The tiebreaker yesterday was determined by the player who reached the plurality first, as best as I could discern from the thread.

Posted: **Mon Jul 12, 2021 6:58 pm**

Spoiler: show

So his reads seem to shift very much as he requires them in this game, I've seen only fourish consistent stances:
w!Seanzie
v!Fingers
v!Lu Ren

And after initial fossing a v!Alison, Seems to imply a v!Axe read and a w!Dizzy read but waffles around this a lot.
Reverses three towny reads to try for votes/lynches (Falcon, Me, Bo)

Trying to distract heavily from the Alison/Dizzy situation (This could imply t/t he's trying to keep alive, but I'd honestly not read into it a huge amount, w!Mac is perfectly capable of wifom.)
Low activity and almost no actual solving posts, a lot of his reads seem to be fluid depending on what he needs at the moment, which I shouldn't have to elaborate on why THAT isn't a towny outlook. He also has almost no progression, with reads either stuck in a static state (Fingers/Seanzie/Lu Ren/Alison after initial suspicion) and his only "Progression" is his Alison read sliding towards town which his open to that whole suspicion looked heavily like he was going to commit to anyway.
Doesn't have a solid defense against what was, for me, merely a slight note as I was trying to sort my solve out after my progression put me in an untenable POE and I had to hard-revise. (Lots of people saying that wasn't real progression but that's honestly weird af. I highlighted how I'd reached the "too many town" state and had to hard-change lane to establish a proper POE to work from. I can't box scum in if I'm tring scum. So I demoted all the people I didn't have somewhat solid reasons for, highlighted why they were demoted and changed.)

This game reads somewhat similar to African Birds Mafia where Mac kinda slanked and played low input as scum. He's probably trying to specifically change his scum meta because people on this site just dealt with a very high WIM game where he not only high posted but played a very solvy style, possibly looking to use the contrast to paint him townier due to his low-input style this game.
More-over he plays very hard into the Dizzy/Alison fight, as if stoking it further. Calls both wolf early on, but specifically when he's interacting with either one. Though the Alison call was much cagier. I don't want to read into this and get wifomed by him.

This is my overnight case.

[VOTE: Macdougall] aubergine

Posted: **Mon Jul 12, 2021 7:01 pm**

I dove into some of Alisons recent games during the night, and I think I’ve probably been wrong and she’s just town. In trying to explain it I’d say her dismissiveness in Space Invaders is more cold and methodical, whereas I see a combativeness/dismissiveness that is more openly angry and “warm”, in that sense, in her recent town games. And that’s more like what she’s been putting out this game, I think. She’s also been somewhat tunnel visioned there. I’ve probably held her to an unreasonable standard tbh. Really the post I doubt Alison makes as scum is the one to Axe, telling him he’s an egotistical player. I still have problems with Alison’s play, but I don’t really think it’s my problem anymore.

If Alison is town, I’m left with an immediate pool of Ender, Nanook, Mac and TPS. I’d say Lu Ren and Fingers in my side vision, but I don’t really feel it. This is more on the top of head takes.

Posted: **Mon Jul 12, 2021 7:03 pm**

I have more thoughts than this, but I’m traveling right now, and don’t have much capacity for play.

Rip Sean

Posted: **Mon Jul 12, 2021 7:05 pm**

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 6:57 pm Host Clarification:

The tiebreaker yesterday was determined by the player who reached the plurality first, as best as I could discern from the thread.

Don’t know if it matters, but I was not aware of this.

Posted: **Mon Jul 12, 2021 7:09 pm**

[VOTE: MAC] aubergine

Posted: **Mon Jul 12, 2021 7:30 pm**

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 7:05 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 6:57 pm Host Clarification:

The tiebreaker yesterday was determined by the player who reached the plurality first, as best as I could discern from the thread.
Don’t know if it matters, but I was not aware of this.

Alison definitely reached plurality first, but my lack of thread presence while vote swapping probably affected host's ability to check which is cool.

Posted: **Mon Jul 12, 2021 7:33 pm**

@Alison what do you do when Occam's razor says you're mafia? Do you make the level 0 play by killing your own slot?

Posted: **Mon Jul 12, 2021 7:36 pm**

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 7:09 pm [VOTE: MAC] aubergine

You are not even voting Mac?

Posted: **Mon Jul 12, 2021 7:36 pm**

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 7:33 pm @Alison what do you do when Occam's razor says you're mafia? Do you make the level 0 play by killing your own slot?

Yo, explain why you townread Mac.

Posted: **Mon Jul 12, 2021 7:37 pm**

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 7:36 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 7:33 pm @Alison what do you do when Occam's razor says you're mafia? Do you make the level 0 play by killing your own slot?
Yo, explain why you townread Mac.

No

Posted: **Mon Jul 12, 2021 7:38 pm**

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 7:37 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 7:36 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 7:33 pm @Alison what do you do when Occam's razor says you're mafia? Do you make the level 0 play by killing your own slot?
Yo, explain why you townread Mac.
No

Well, I tried. Got my own townleans against me.

Posted: **Mon Jul 12, 2021 7:50 pm**

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 7:38 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 7:37 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 7:36 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 7:33 pm @Alison what do you do when Occam's razor says you're mafia? Do you make the level 0 play by killing your own slot?
Yo, explain why you townread Mac.
No

Well, I tried. Got my own townleans against me.

I'm ok losing in the hill that mac and Nanook are town because some of my town reads simply refuse to form or vote on wagons.

Posted: **Mon Jul 12, 2021 7:54 pm**

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 7:50 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 7:38 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 7:37 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 7:36 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 7:33 pm @Alison what do you do when Occam's razor says you're mafia? Do you make the level 0 play by killing your own slot?
Yo, explain why you townread Mac.
No

Well, I tried. Got my own townleans against me.
I'm ok losing in the hill that mac and Nanook are town because some of my town reads simply refuse to form or vote on wagons.

Issue solved if you work out I'm town. =P

Posted: **Mon Jul 12, 2021 7:58 pm**

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 7:54 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 7:50 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 7:38 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 7:37 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 7:36 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 7:33 pm @Alison what do you do when Occam's razor says you're mafia? Do you make the level 0 play by killing your own slot?
Yo, explain why you townread Mac.
No

Well, I tried. Got my own townleans against me.
I'm ok losing in the hill that mac and Nanook are town because some of my town reads simply refuse to form or vote on wagons.
Issue solved if you work out I'm town. =P

I went for a concensus play yesterday because I figured doing a deep dive really wouldn't yield much except waste my time, if you're looking for someone to re-read and re-evaluate, that ain't me.

Posted: **Mon Jul 12, 2021 8:03 pm**

Maybe I'll change my mind over the course of the day and be that egotistical maniac who tries to reach a town concensus, or maybe I'll just tunnel you, we'll see.

I don't think I can bring myself to vote off the main 2 wagons at EOD because that's game throwing, and I don't think I can get myself to re-read because that would be pointless even if i was able to get a good read on the game.

Posted: **Mon Jul 12, 2021 8:04 pm**

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 8:03 pm Maybe I'll change my mind over the course of the day and be that egotistical maniac who tries to reach a town concensus, or maybe I'll just tunnel you, we'll see.

I don't think I can bring myself to vote off the main 2 wagons at EOD because that's game throwing, and I don't think I can get myself to re-read because that would be pointless even if i was able to get a good read on the game.

This is the least egotistical post from you yet.

Are you okay Axe?

Posted: **Mon Jul 12, 2021 8:06 pm**

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 8:04 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 8:03 pm Maybe I'll change my mind over the course of the day and be that egotistical maniac who tries to reach a town concensus, or maybe I'll just tunnel you, we'll see.

I don't think I can bring myself to vote off the main 2 wagons at EOD because that's game throwing, and I don't think I can get myself to re-read because that would be pointless even if i was able to get a good read on the game.
This is the least egotistical post from you yet.

Are you okay Axe?

Let's just wait and see how other players enter the day for now.

Posted: **Mon Jul 12, 2021 8:11 pm**

Also Axe, you've somehow managed to be partially responsible for lynching one of my main townreads in every game so far.

Posted: **Mon Jul 12, 2021 9:26 pm**

Siiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiilent Night.
Hoooooooooooooly Night.

Posted: **Mon Jul 12, 2021 9:36 pm**

[VOTE: ender] aubergine

fine with a t'dome here

Posted: **Mon Jul 12, 2021 9:36 pm**

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 7:36 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 7:09 pm [VOTE: MAC] aubergine
You are not even voting Mac?

Whoops! Was at work, thought I'd hit the poll. I'll remedy that right meow

Posted: **Mon Jul 12, 2021 9:37 pm**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 9:36 pm [VOTE: ender] aubergine

fine with a t'dome here

Shocking.

Posted: **Mon Jul 12, 2021 9:38 pm**

it's pretty obvious that you were pinned in such a way that you had no choice but to come out guns blazing at me but you are transparently obvious wolf and will die today so get your shit in

Posted: **Mon Jul 12, 2021 9:40 pm**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 9:38 pm it's pretty obvious that you were pinned in such a way that you had no choice but to come out guns blazing at me but you are transparently obvious wolf and will die today so get your shit in

Lmao.

My case is done.

I'mma spend the rest of the day getting other reads out there.

Posted: **Mon Jul 12, 2021 9:51 pm**

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 9:40 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 9:38 pm it's pretty obvious that you were pinned in such a way that you had no choice but to come out guns blazing at me but you are transparently obvious wolf and will die today so get your shit in
Lmao.

My case is done.

I'mma spend the rest of the day getting other reads out there.

cool

Posted: **Mon Jul 12, 2021 10:04 pm**

whoa mac's in this game

Posted: **Mon Jul 12, 2021 10:19 pm**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 9:38 pm it's pretty obvious that you were pinned in such a way that you had no choice but to come out guns blazing at me but you are transparently obvious wolf and will die today so get your shit in

this is not very towny

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