The Syndicate

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 7:28 pm Technically that post said that Wilgy and falcon probably aren't paired, but I do recall saying around that time that I think that Wilgy is town.

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 7:29 pm CREATURE IS FROZEN AND CRYING IN WOLFCHAT

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 7:28 pm Gg I was Katze

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 7:09 pm

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NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 12:57 pm

fingersplints wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 11:00 am

NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 10:31 am

fingersplints wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 6:13 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 6:00 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 4:02 am

67% town, I don't think scum Mac would push my ML so hard. I'd say his gut feel is real, it's just wrong.

yeah but like, as town I'm never wrong on you so you shouldn't think I'm town lol

Can anyone vouch for Mac never being wrong as town about falcon?

Gth I’d say I’m townleaning mac, and scumleaning falcon so considering following that vote but I have reservations as I always think falcon is scum and have been wrong

Have you played with scum!Falcon?

Yes

👍

Are you scumleaning Falcon due to that past experience, or what's feeding that scumlean?

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NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 7:01 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 8:17 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 8:16 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 8:14 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 8:12 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 7:59 pm So I'm just disquieted. It's like wearing a set of clothes and feeling like they just don't fit properly even though they do. Keep tugging at them, because you can't take them off now you're out in public.

All you can do is tug.

How do you feel about the two people holding wagons right now; Creature and Falcon?

I thought one of them was wolf and I should stick to that tbh.

Who's your top 5 "People to yeet" rn Seanzie?

Can you explain a bit more? "one of them is wolf" isn't much of a take.

I will answer you after you give a satisfactory answer to me. You haven't yet this game, and I don't give to those who only take.

Explicitly I wolfread Falcon rn.

The "I thought one of them was wolf" was referencing that I was voting for one earlier in Falcon.

I wasn't saying "It's w/v"

I'm saying "Damn I sus Falcon."

Was it his Creature push that first got your attention, or were you suspicious of Falcon before then? Because I don't remember you reacting to my vote or Mac's vote.

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NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 5:25 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 4:57 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 4:24 pm I still don't get the Nate townreads. From which weirdverse did they come from?

I kind of agree with this. I have found Nate extremely null and don't get why so many are putting them north-of-null. They are present, and don't feel uncomfortable, but they also aren't really doing anything townie. Asking a lot of questions, but I don't know what they're doing with the answers.

I've been mostly poking at others' Falcon reads because I get nervous when a wagon forms behind me. But it seems to be a scumread that's shared by more than 3 other people, which at least means there are other townies with that opinion and it's not just wolves patting me on the head so I'll continue pushing a misyeet.

I asked you a question in my larger post, it might have gotten buried:

NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 12:48 pm Do you still feel like her push on Rondo was just to cause disruption? It hasn't seemed to play out that way.

("her" being Alison)

I can see a lot of attention defending Falcon (At least how I see it)

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NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 12:48 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 10:31 am

NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 10:23 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 12:53 am JJJ def has better scum reads than me right now, & Nate's vote is lazy.



Of the 2, Nate is my pick for scum. Jay feels like he's trying to get towny activity out of me with his vote.



I have a sneaking suspicion that Maf are kinda letting town do their work for them currently, with a town voice in their crew.


So 1 Maf amongst the more vocal, with 1 -2 amongst the mid level contributors and 1-2 amongst the slanking players

Is this just a different way of saying the team is me / Sean / Marmot again?

Did you ever find the time to give me an update on the game/reads from your perspective? I asked you about it yesterday and I know you said you were still catching up.

I did not, no. There are still a few pages from yesterday during the (US) day that I haven't read, but I have more time today to catch up the rest of the way and stay current. I'll give you some thoughts, though, starting off with @JaggedJimmyJay's request for 4 town names. My top town would be JJJ, Mac, Boq, and Lucy. I know that has significant overlap with "most active". But JJJ and Boq both seem to be doing their own thing and solving independently while also making sure the overall thread state is moving in a positive direction. None of JJJ/Mac/Boq seem all that concerned with triangulating their reads so they match up (as one example, Boq's early town leans had overlap with Mac's early scum leans). Lucy I still just think is town from overall comfort level and tone. I think she'd be more self-conscious about not having reads as a wolf, especially when Mac was prodding her about it.

The tier below that (call it town leans) I'd put you (Sean) and Alison. You've trended up for me. I kind of vibed with Falcon's early read of you being "stiff", but that was mostly Day 0. I think Day 1 your pushes have made sense to me and you're poking at things in a solvey way. I had some initial concern that you were trying to keep Lucy in the POE, but you explained why Mac townleaning her stood out to you, so fine. Alison I'm townleaning at this point mostly from overlap between our town and scum piles, and she's been broadly engaging with players in the game rather than keeping a narrow focus. Do you still feel like her push on Rondo was just to cause disruption? It hasn't seemed to play out that way.

Some flavor of null on Creature/Dizzy/Ender/Fingersplints/Marmot. Of those it bothers me the most that I don't have a read on Ender. In our qualifier he projected a lot of solving towniness that I don't see here, but he was also a wolf in that game, so I'm not sure how to apply that meta. Creature I haven't gotten any specific pings from; seems like there's concern that their lack of activity is telling, but I have no meta there. So I think those are my two nulls that I want to sort in some fashion.

That leaves Falcon/Rondo/Wilgy as POE, which I really don't think is the exact team because that would be wild. I'm still fine with my Falcon vote, the only thing that makes me paranoid is how many people seem to agree with me. With both Falcon and Rondo they're in my POE because I get hints of agenda poking through the fluff. Wilgy's mostly here from, well, process of elimination, but I also didn't like his reaction to a towncore forming and asked him for more thoughts on that.

But here you still put both me and him in your POE.

Is this +Equity defending a partner?

If I am wrong please feel free to tell me more of your thought process

You also didnt answer my last question to you

viewtopic.php?p=928156#p928156

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 7:29 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 7:28 pm Gg I was Katze

Is that meming just you inflating your post count?

NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 7:30 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 7:09 pm

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NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 12:57 pm

fingersplints wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 11:00 am

NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 10:31 am

fingersplints wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 6:13 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 6:00 am

yeah but like, as town I'm never wrong on you so you shouldn't think I'm town lol

Can anyone vouch for Mac never being wrong as town about falcon?

Gth I’d say I’m townleaning mac, and scumleaning falcon so considering following that vote but I have reservations as I always think falcon is scum and have been wrong

Have you played with scum!Falcon?

Yes

Are you scumleaning Falcon due to that past experience, or what's feeding that scumlean?

Spoiler: show

NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 7:01 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 8:17 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 8:16 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 8:14 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 8:12 pm

How do you feel about the two people holding wagons right now; Creature and Falcon?

I thought one of them was wolf and I should stick to that tbh.

Who's your top 5 "People to yeet" rn Seanzie?

Can you explain a bit more? "one of them is wolf" isn't much of a take.

I will answer you after you give a satisfactory answer to me. You haven't yet this game, and I don't give to those who only take.

Explicitly I wolfread Falcon rn.

The "I thought one of them was wolf" was referencing that I was voting for one earlier in Falcon.

I wasn't saying "It's w/v"

I'm saying "Damn I sus Falcon."

Was it his Creature push that first got your attention, or were you suspicious of Falcon before then? Because I don't remember you reacting to my vote or Mac's vote.

Spoiler: show

NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 5:25 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 4:57 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 4:24 pm I still don't get the Nate townreads. From which weirdverse did they come from?

I kind of agree with this. I have found Nate extremely null and don't get why so many are putting them north-of-null. They are present, and don't feel uncomfortable, but they also aren't really doing anything townie. Asking a lot of questions, but I don't know what they're doing with the answers.

I've been mostly poking at others' Falcon reads because I get nervous when a wagon forms behind me. But it seems to be a scumread that's shared by more than 3 other people, which at least means there are other townies with that opinion and it's not just wolves patting me on the head so I'll continue pushing a misyeet.

I asked you a question in my larger post, it might have gotten buried:

NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 12:48 pm Do you still feel like her push on Rondo was just to cause disruption? It hasn't seemed to play out that way.

("her" being Alison)

I can see a lot of attention defending Falcon (At least how I see it)

Spoiler: show

NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 12:48 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 10:31 am

NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 10:23 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 12:53 am JJJ def has better scum reads than me right now, & Nate's vote is lazy.



Of the 2, Nate is my pick for scum. Jay feels like he's trying to get towny activity out of me with his vote.



I have a sneaking suspicion that Maf are kinda letting town do their work for them currently, with a town voice in their crew.


So 1 Maf amongst the more vocal, with 1 -2 amongst the mid level contributors and 1-2 amongst the slanking players

Is this just a different way of saying the team is me / Sean / Marmot again?

Did you ever find the time to give me an update on the game/reads from your perspective? I asked you about it yesterday and I know you said you were still catching up.

I did not, no. There are still a few pages from yesterday during the (US) day that I haven't read, but I have more time today to catch up the rest of the way and stay current. I'll give you some thoughts, though, starting off with @JaggedJimmyJay's request for 4 town names. My top town would be JJJ, Mac, Boq, and Lucy. I know that has significant overlap with "most active". But JJJ and Boq both seem to be doing their own thing and solving independently while also making sure the overall thread state is moving in a positive direction. None of JJJ/Mac/Boq seem all that concerned with triangulating their reads so they match up (as one example, Boq's early town leans had overlap with Mac's early scum leans). Lucy I still just think is town from overall comfort level and tone. I think she'd be more self-conscious about not having reads as a wolf, especially when Mac was prodding her about it.

The tier below that (call it town leans) I'd put you (Sean) and Alison. You've trended up for me. I kind of vibed with Falcon's early read of you being "stiff", but that was mostly Day 0. I think Day 1 your pushes have made sense to me and you're poking at things in a solvey way. I had some initial concern that you were trying to keep Lucy in the POE, but you explained why Mac townleaning her stood out to you, so fine. Alison I'm townleaning at this point mostly from overlap between our town and scum piles, and she's been broadly engaging with players in the game rather than keeping a narrow focus. Do you still feel like her push on Rondo was just to cause disruption? It hasn't seemed to play out that way.

Some flavor of null on Creature/Dizzy/Ender/Fingersplints/Marmot. Of those it bothers me the most that I don't have a read on Ender. In our qualifier he projected a lot of solving towniness that I don't see here, but he was also a wolf in that game, so I'm not sure how to apply that meta. Creature I haven't gotten any specific pings from; seems like there's concern that their lack of activity is telling, but I have no meta there. So I think those are my two nulls that I want to sort in some fashion.

That leaves Falcon/Rondo/Wilgy as POE, which I really don't think is the exact team because that would be wild. I'm still fine with my Falcon vote, the only thing that makes me paranoid is how many people seem to agree with me. With both Falcon and Rondo they're in my POE because I get hints of agenda poking through the fluff. Wilgy's mostly here from, well, process of elimination, but I also didn't like his reaction to a towncore forming and asked him for more thoughts on that.

But here you still put both me and him in your POE.

Is this +Equity defending a partner?

If I am wrong please feel free to tell me more of your thought process

You also didnt answer my last question to you

viewtopic.php?p=928156#p928156

I'm slightly confused. You think I've been defending Falcon?

And thanks for bumping your question. For you the hint of agenda I'm talking about is mostly when you echoed Sean's push back against Lucy being in the town leans. I'm paying special attention to anything that seems like it could be attempts to keep the POE open (or other people signal boosting such attempts). I've liked your recent content more though, honestly. Especially poking for more from Falcon, Ender, Marmot, and Creature. That's agenda that I can get behind.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 7:30 pm I haven’t played much lately but my conception of the Wilgy Experience is that as mafia he’s less peepeepoopoo

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 7:28 pm Dizzy is drfunky and gay

Creature is now frozen.

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 7:30 pm Rondo, how do you have 278 posts already today, wtf

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 7:30 pm Anyway, I do think that Creature's argument to elim me because I am frozen is not a good one. If it's a pressure vote to get me to post content, fine, but I hope he's willing to reconsider at least.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 7:33 pm Did Ender actually just leave his vote on me when I no posted? What kind of cringe level is that? Like A GAZILLION.

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 7:33 pm Looks like we've settled on a falcon lynch anyway.

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JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 7:30 pm I haven’t played much lately but my conception of the Wilgy Experience is that as mafia he’s less peepeepoopoo

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 7:33 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 7:28 pm Dizzy is drfunky and gay

Creature is now frozen.

No, I'm bored.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 7:34 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 7:33 pm Did Ender actually just leave his vote on me when I no posted? What kind of cringe level is that? Like A GAZILLION.

to be fair. I had my vote on you till you replied to my question when you were no posting

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 7:34 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 7:30 pm I haven’t played much lately but my conception of the Wilgy Experience is that as mafia he’s less peepeepoopoo

I hosted a game with him as mafia semi-recently (Coffia), his Day 1 start included lots of peepee poopoo, but he transitioned to attempting to defend himself when he was put under pressure. He was eventually yeeted Day 1.

In Team Fortress, he quite literally posted nothing but mphhhmpm pmmphmh mphmhp for most of the game as mafia.

In Philo 2 Mafia, Wilgy did have some peepee poopoo, but on Day 2, he made an incredibly astute post summarizing the game state and what we should do, which was enough to (correctly) remove him from the POE, and direct us in the right direction.


This game, I would lean more towards Philo 2 than the others on meta.

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 7:34 pmIn Team Fortress, he quite literally posted nothing but mphhhmpm pmmphmh mphmhp for most of the game as mafia.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 7:36 pm I don't think I care for a Marmot chop today

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 7:35 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 7:33 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 7:28 pm Dizzy is drfunky and gay

Creature is now frozen.

No, I'm bored.

Can you answer my question please?

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 7:34 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 7:30 pm I haven’t played much lately but my conception of the Wilgy Experience is that as mafia he’s less peepeepoopoo

I hosted a game with him as mafia semi-recently (Coffia), his Day 1 start included lots of peepee poopoo, but he transitioned to attempting to defend himself when he was put under pressure. He was eventually yeeted Day 1.

In Team Fortress, he quite literally posted nothing but mphhhmpm pmmphmh mphmhp for most of the game as mafia.

In Philo 2 Mafia, Wilgy did have some peepee poopoo, but on Day 2, he made an incredibly astute post summarizing the game state and what we should do, which was enough to (correctly) remove him from the POE, and direct us in the right direction.


This game, I would lean more towards Philo 2 than the others on meta.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 7:37 pm I'm outposting Marmot with my amazing content

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 7:37 pm What's the melting point of guacamole?

Inquiring minds would like to know...

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 7:37 pm [VOTE: Creature] aubergine

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 7:38 pm Oh just noticed Marmot has a wagon

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 7:38 pm I got to go to bed before Alison or someone will call my posts fake or too much *big sigh*

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 7:38 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 7:37 pm What's the melting point of guacamole?

Inquiring minds would like to know...

it's already liquid bruh

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 7:37 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 7:34 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 7:30 pm I haven’t played much lately but my conception of the Wilgy Experience is that as mafia he’s less peepeepoopoo

I hosted a game with him as mafia semi-recently (Coffia), his Day 1 start included lots of peepee poopoo, but he transitioned to attempting to defend himself when he was put under pressure. He was eventually yeeted Day 1.

In Team Fortress, he quite literally posted nothing but mphhhmpm pmmphmh mphmhp for most of the game as mafia.

In Philo 2 Mafia, Wilgy did have some peepee poopoo, but on Day 2, he made an incredibly astute post summarizing the game state and what we should do, which was enough to (correctly) remove him from the POE, and direct us in the right direction.


This game, I would lean more towards Philo 2 than the others on meta.

That's a much more developed view of the meta than I have to offer here, so I will concede the point

I am thinking of recent things like Talking Heads Mafia when mafia Wilgy did extensive vote analysis or the like

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 7:38 pm Oh just noticed Marmot has a wagon

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 7:39 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 7:38 pm Oh just noticed Marmot has a wagon

having some difficulty following your brain Creature

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 7:38 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 7:37 pm What's the melting point of guacamole?

Inquiring minds would like to know...

it's already liquid bruh

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 7:41 pm Why would should we launch falcon into the sun?