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Idek if voting does anything
i took a gamble as to whether it has a positive or negative effect because idk if it did anything at all on N1, either. Nobody said anything about it.Hey hey its okay so don't worry. Just... tell me how to help you. Honestly at a certain point I NEED to die just not yet.WindwardAway wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 7:58 am Also, I owe an apology to Abbi (I can't figure out how to tag her). I was on an extremely short fuse last night and I'm not sure why I was so pissed off at her posts in particular.
I've cooled off now, you did give your readlist, and I get that you didn't think lurker wagons were useful. I still don't townread you, I don't scumread you either, but I will try harder to find you.
I don't think that's quite what I said maybe it's lost in translation the thing to me is if your legacy adds nothing new why drop it. People will assume they are right on you regardless Lily proves this she was like super obv town and yet we want to play assuming she was red it's just no good imho.WindwardAway wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 9:16 amI got the feeling he hadn't backread, though.EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 9:13 amLC still not leaving a legacy AFTER that very public debate on it feels wolfier.WindwardAway wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 9:11 amI would call it wolfy except that people got mad at me for saying lily was wolfy for leaving her legacy blank, too. Both those players knew they were likely to die, but apparently "town doesn't have to share information" or whatever the counterargument was that I do not buy whatsoever.EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 9:09 amNo. I was sitting stressed out at a place waiting and looked at my phone and realised I had ~10 minutes to vote and had forgot to vote so I drudged up what memory I had and put my trust in Robyn and put it forth.
Also LC not claiming in legacy is kinda wolfish tbh.
I did see svs remind people to write legacies at EoD, though, so I do think Brad should've seen *something* that would've reminded him.
But Abbi's counterargument to me is that town doesn't have TMI so they don't owe anyone reads and also don't owe anyone their role. I disagree completely, as was evidenced by how fucking long I spent arguing with her over it, but I can't call it wolfy if I don't know whether town is also doing it. Especially the slankers. And by that, I mean, would Brad have shared the same view? If he were, say, vanilla town with no results would he write that in his legacy? I still think it's important, but it didn't seem like I was in the majority opinion.
Where? This never happened I've openly stated that I think it's a game mechanic. The "slightly bastard" one tbhBoquise wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 2:41 pmsmh and Abigail slandered me for having this thought about the vote manip smhWindwardAway wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 7:53 am Ok so anyway, I'm not entirely sure whether Brad was town or scum. Again, he didn't leave a legacy, but he did talk in the thread while trying to save himself for a while. Porscha is town for actually trying to solve Brad, I'm not rescinding that.
I got mixed signals from Brad when he was replying to Porscha and I think he could realistically be either alignment, which is unfortunately not such a valid conclusion.
The other two who died didn't place votes, and if you look at the VC, marmot didn't vote either, but a ghost vote landed on him and he didn't die. So I'm thinking it's a game mechanic that punishes people for not voting, with the random chance that if a ghost vote lands on you, you might not die.
Anyway, I don't think that's important, other than pointing out that everyone should place a vote during the day if they don't want to die.
When and why am I so high now?Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 3:19 pm This is a list for before I go back and dive into any ISO reading. Just how I think I feel about the game right now. Probably some will change. It's a 'Before' pic.
Long Con
Boquise
☆Princess Abigail☆
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
Bereft
EnderWiggin
Porscha
WindwardAway
DrWilgy
Marmot
S~V~S
robyn
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 4:42 pm?I hope this doesn't show my intense wolfiness, like when I voted with MarmotWindwardAway wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 4:36 pm I'm not convinced that voting at night does anything at all, but just in case:
[VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine, but I'll follow that vote.
[VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine
can you explain to me why you’ve voted towns every single day
why would you even say this? it’s not what i was thinking about at all? why are you so confident i’m a wolf?
Just kinda am. I believe Lily was town and I believe she is too damn good to ignore if I'm right. I've read her iso while being silenced cause I was bored. I think you all are just wrong.
why do you believe lily was town and what was your read on brad? and why has long con trended up for you?☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Thu Oct 26, 2023 4:31 amJust kinda am. I believe Lily was town and I believe she is too damn good to ignore if I'm right. I've read her iso while being silenced cause I was bored. I think you all are just wrong.
I'm still anxious about Long Con too but at this point my fear of them is moving in the opposite direction of my fear in you.
I approve of your new avatar
Yeah, understanding abbi's thought process would definitely help me to read her because I'm not sure what her reasoning is on most of her takes. I do recall that she said Brad lurking is NAI for him, which, yeah, I'd agree except in the case that he's a wolf and the game is going badly for his team. Which we don't know for sure, but then it comes down to assumptions lol.robyn wrote: ↑Thu Oct 26, 2023 4:35 amwhy do you believe lily was town and what was your read on brad? and why has long con trended up for you?☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Thu Oct 26, 2023 4:31 amJust kinda am. I believe Lily was town and I believe she is too damn good to ignore if I'm right. I've read her iso while being silenced cause I was bored. I think you all are just wrong.
I'm still anxious about Long Con too but at this point my fear of them is moving in the opposite direction of my fear in you.
i’m not looking to catch you in a lie or anything but you’re saying a lot of things and i don’t understand why + you’re providing no reasoning
She played like town Lily I don't even know why people wanted her dead she was herself and nothing she did was that dramatically wolfy I don't see wolf motivation I see towny annoyance towny indignation purity frustration at how you were attacking her it was ALL towny. None of her play advances a wolf agenda nor does it play wolfy. She's just town... probably. I town read her early. I town read her all night phase. I know you think I'm not the greatest mafia player but my early reads are generally pretty fire.robyn wrote: ↑Thu Oct 26, 2023 4:35 amwhy do you believe lily was town and what was your read on brad? and why has long con trended up for you?☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Thu Oct 26, 2023 4:31 amJust kinda am. I believe Lily was town and I believe she is too damn good to ignore if I'm right. I've read her iso while being silenced cause I was bored. I think you all are just wrong.
I'm still anxious about Long Con too but at this point my fear of them is moving in the opposite direction of my fear in you.
i’m not looking to catch you in a lie or anything but you’re saying a lot of things and i don’t understand why + you’re providing no reasoning
I think it was pretty obvious that Lily was town overnight...I just don't understand these takes I don't get it. She was towny. She stayed towny maybe even got more towny.WindwardAway wrote: ↑Thu Oct 26, 2023 4:39 amI approve of your new avatar
Also, where are you getting that lily was super towny? I had mixed feelings on her when she was posting cause I thought she was towny at first but started to doubt that take during the night, so I don't really think I can make an assumption without factoring in the lack of legacy.
It did occur to me, however, that there could be a wolf role that wipes legacies, akin to a janitor. I don't think any of the earlier flips were janitored, though, but the flavor note on Porscha's legacy kind of makes me think her legacy existed but got wiped.
Thing is. I'm pretty sure town is ouroborosing itself and wolfs are winning.WindwardAway wrote: ↑Thu Oct 26, 2023 4:40 amYeah, understanding abbi's thought process would definitely help me to read her because I'm not sure what her reasoning is on most of her takes. I do recall that she said Brad lurking is NAI for him, which, yeah, I'd agree except in the case that he's a wolf and the game is going badly for his team. Which we don't know for sure, but then it comes down to assumptions lol.robyn wrote: ↑Thu Oct 26, 2023 4:35 amwhy do you believe lily was town and what was your read on brad? and why has long con trended up for you?☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Thu Oct 26, 2023 4:31 amJust kinda am. I believe Lily was town and I believe she is too damn good to ignore if I'm right. I've read her iso while being silenced cause I was bored. I think you all are just wrong.
I'm still anxious about Long Con too but at this point my fear of them is moving in the opposite direction of my fear in you.
i’m not looking to catch you in a lie or anything but you’re saying a lot of things and i don’t understand why + you’re providing no reasoning
I will agree that lily didn't do anything dramatically wolfy, but as I said earlier (I think during the night, and probably in response to Porscha iirc), I almost always think she's tonally towny on D1 but she makes her alignment apparent a bit later. I've seen her wolf once or twice, I think twice? And starting on D2 onward it sometimes becomes apparent if she's making an agenda push or reacting in a wolfy way. I don't think there was much for her to react to on D1 except maybe the boq/Porscha thing and the discussion between lily and robyn. That's really all we have to go off. She didn't have a super egregious reaction to people calling for Scotty to shoot her.☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Thu Oct 26, 2023 4:42 amShe played like town Lily I don't even know why people wanted her dead she was herself and nothing she did was that dramatically wolfy I don't see wolf motivation I see towny annoyance towny indignation purity frustration at how you were attacking her it was ALL towny. None of her play advances a wolf agenda nor does it play wolfy. She's just town... probably. I town read her early. I town read her all night phase. I know you think I'm not the greatest mafia player but my early reads are generally pretty fire.robyn wrote: ↑Thu Oct 26, 2023 4:35 amwhy do you believe lily was town and what was your read on brad? and why has long con trended up for you?☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Thu Oct 26, 2023 4:31 amJust kinda am. I believe Lily was town and I believe she is too damn good to ignore if I'm right. I've read her iso while being silenced cause I was bored. I think you all are just wrong.
I'm still anxious about Long Con too but at this point my fear of them is moving in the opposite direction of my fear in you.
i’m not looking to catch you in a lie or anything but you’re saying a lot of things and i don’t understand why + you’re providing no reasoning
Bread I have stated I thought was town but I'm not confident on that.
Long Con mostly revolves around how they are treating me.
Agreed. I'm kind of hoping the wiped legacies will reappear after the janitor dies, but I'm not sure.☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Thu Oct 26, 2023 4:44 am Also yeah there's likely a role that wipes legacies.
I think that is potentially game losing for town if it's not capped in some way.
If wolves are winning, then who's the team? You think they're powerwolfing to push town, or you think they're lurking and letting town jump off a cliff on its own?☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Thu Oct 26, 2023 4:45 amThing is. I'm pretty sure town is ouroborosing itself and wolfs are winning.WindwardAway wrote: ↑Thu Oct 26, 2023 4:40 amYeah, understanding abbi's thought process would definitely help me to read her because I'm not sure what her reasoning is on most of her takes. I do recall that she said Brad lurking is NAI for him, which, yeah, I'd agree except in the case that he's a wolf and the game is going badly for his team. Which we don't know for sure, but then it comes down to assumptions lol.robyn wrote: ↑Thu Oct 26, 2023 4:35 amwhy do you believe lily was town and what was your read on brad? and why has long con trended up for you?☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Thu Oct 26, 2023 4:31 amJust kinda am. I believe Lily was town and I believe she is too damn good to ignore if I'm right. I've read her iso while being silenced cause I was bored. I think you all are just wrong.
I'm still anxious about Long Con too but at this point my fear of them is moving in the opposite direction of my fear in you.
i’m not looking to catch you in a lie or anything but you’re saying a lot of things and i don’t understand why + you’re providing no reasoning
I don't think the pyxxy and Jack kills were activity related but maybe I'm wrong... my instant reaction was that's a lot of kp and I hope some of it is town.
