The Syndicate

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 8:25 pm Sloon, why sprit and speed? I think bullz and marmot's votes looked way worse

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 8:35 pm Some people likely not teamed with Luna is Nova, LC, and even though I did have the theory, I do think Sloonei is probably just town, yes (?)

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 8:38 pm Where the duck is Quin? >: (

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 8:38 pm Where the duck is Quin? >: (

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 8:39 pmHe's online now, I think it is likely he was silenced

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 2:41 pm

sprityo wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 3:52 am Sloonei keeps insisting I look at him through “the good guy lens.”

Which....I’m not seeing. I already said what it would be if you were town here and I don’t find that to be the case. I’m not gonna let this instance try to be swept under the rug like it isn’t important. I won’t let you play the pity card Sloonei. Sorry.

This is another post where I wonder whether sprit is being authentic. Perhaps it is just a difference in playstyle, but to arrive at a point on the second day phase (which is called Day 3 in this game) to "not see" room for a player to be town, in the absence of any definitive connections or out-of-thread information seems, to me, counter-intuitive. My concern is that sprit is over-emphasizing the strength of his Sloonei suspicion. This is how sprit framed his hypothetical of me being town:

Here's the unlikely scenario:

Sloonei is town, he gets pursued by mac who is not someone to back down off his intuition. Sloonei isnt lynch, much to mac's dismay. then during the night, mac still paints him as someone bad, essentially a guarantee he's gonna try to lynch sloonei on day2. He even goes as far as to taunt sloonei to kill him. Mafia kills mac and waits for someone to attack sloonei.

Right off the bat he characterizes it as "unlikely". He is discrediting it before it's even introduced. He then describes a series of events which, by my reckoning, are entirely likely. "Sloonei" is a passive agent in this scenario. His only role is to be the subject of Macdougall's suspicion. I feel like this is a dismissal of the figure of Sloonei entirely and don't know why this is the reduction he provides, but it does not actually seem to address the involvement of the player against whom he is making an accusation.

He then poses this rhetorical question:

so would mafia kill mac to blame sloonei? or would sloonei kill mac to take the pressure and focus off himself?

This reduces the scope a bit too much, to two binary points of direct opposition. There are a myriad of possible scenarios that do not align completely with either of these. Certainly these could both be possible influences which went into the decision to kill Mac, but neither is a complete picture. I would not offer a complete speculation into why Macdougall was killed, but my very general theory is that it's because he's a player the mafia team wanted to have removed and who was unlikely to become the target of a lynch himself. I think it would then be likely that the mafia team would then take the opportunity to pursue suspects who had been named by the nightkilled player, Macdougall. sprityo, however, does not directly acknowledge this possibility and instead places it under the umbrella of "an unlikely scenario". But I do not see why this scenario would be deemed unlikely.

@sprityo Forgetting the names of players involved in this particular instance, do you think it's unlikely that the mafia team would nightkill a player and then seek to lynch targets who are made more accessible via the death of the nightkilled player?

sprityo wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 9:29 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 2:41 pm

sprityo wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 3:52 am Sloonei keeps insisting I look at him through “the good guy lens.”

Which....I’m not seeing. I already said what it would be if you were town here and I don’t find that to be the case. I’m not gonna let this instance try to be swept under the rug like it isn’t important. I won’t let you play the pity card Sloonei. Sorry.

This is another post where I wonder whether sprit is being authentic. Perhaps it is just a difference in playstyle, but to arrive at a point on the second day phase (which is called Day 3 in this game) to "not see" room for a player to be town, in the absence of any definitive connections or out-of-thread information seems, to me, counter-intuitive. My concern is that sprit is over-emphasizing the strength of his Sloonei suspicion. This is how sprit framed his hypothetical of me being town:

Here's the unlikely scenario:

Sloonei is town, he gets pursued by mac who is not someone to back down off his intuition. Sloonei isnt lynch, much to mac's dismay. then during the night, mac still paints him as someone bad, essentially a guarantee he's gonna try to lynch sloonei on day2. He even goes as far as to taunt sloonei to kill him. Mafia kills mac and waits for someone to attack sloonei.

Right off the bat he characterizes it as "unlikely". He is discrediting it before it's even introduced. He then describes a series of events which, by my reckoning, are entirely likely. "Sloonei" is a passive agent in this scenario. His only role is to be the subject of Macdougall's suspicion. I feel like this is a dismissal of the figure of Sloonei entirely and don't know why this is the reduction he provides, but it does not actually seem to address the involvement of the player against whom he is making an accusation.

He then poses this rhetorical question:

so would mafia kill mac to blame sloonei? or would sloonei kill mac to take the pressure and focus off himself?

This reduces the scope a bit too much, to two binary points of direct opposition. There are a myriad of possible scenarios that do not align completely with either of these. Certainly these could both be possible influences which went into the decision to kill Mac, but neither is a complete picture. I would not offer a complete speculation into why Macdougall was killed, but my very general theory is that it's because he's a player the mafia team wanted to have removed and who was unlikely to become the target of a lynch himself. I think it would then be likely that the mafia team would then take the opportunity to pursue suspects who had been named by the nightkilled player, Macdougall. sprityo, however, does not directly acknowledge this possibility and instead places it under the umbrella of "an unlikely scenario". But I do not see why this scenario would be deemed unlikely.

@sprityo Forgetting the names of players involved in this particular instance, do you think it's unlikely that the mafia team would nightkill a player and then seek to lynch targets who are made more accessible via the death of the nightkilled player?

No. I’ve already explained how the mafia would’ve done it figuring you were town. But you’re not and just keep saying how you didn’t kill Mac. It’s too bad you’ve already misstepped, baddy sadly though it looks like I have missed the end of day, I don’t even know what luna’s Flip is yet

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 3:37 pm A complete rainbow:
Turnip Head
Dyslexicon
nutella
Long Con
Jackofhearts
Bullzeye
Quin
Kylemii
novaselinenever
K-ness
Simon
Infected_alien
DFaraday
Dom
DrWilgy
Marmot
Soneji

speedchuck
sprityo
Lunalee

I've moved sprit to the same level as Luna because the case I presented in my most recent post felt more convincing than anything I'd previously articulated. I especially do not like his framing of the "unlikely scenario" which would allow me to be read as town.
There's also a lot of light green that I don't love to have, but I have no direct reason to scum read anyone in that group of players, and I prefer to offer a stance whenever I can. There's also too many players on whom I can offer no stance at all. The darker green tiers and the orange/red tiers are the reads I would regard as solid at this point. Everything else is weak and ill-defined. That's, you know, how rainbow lists work.

Feel free to ask me about these reads if you have any questions.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 8:26 pm Jackofhearts2005 is it possible to get mareep before beating falkner? In that little grass spot? im trying to decide whether or not i should go for the extra capture before the fight or just wait til after

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 7:41 pm

Simon wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 7:35 pm Hello !!! so I am just joining a vote Lunalee band wagon since she has 8 votes.

I like this vote, Simon. Do you have any idea who killed Jay, Colin, and Mac?

... i just realized that all my rym friends are dead.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 8:30 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 8:25 pm Sloon, why sprit and speed? I think bullz and marmot's votes looked way worse

I haven’t considered bussers yet. Sprit and chuck are the two I’d immediately see supportive teammate connections with Luna. I talked about the peculiar (even for them) relationship between speedchuck and luna in one of my posts towards the end of the day. I’d like to look further into it to see if there’s really anything there.

Sprit is up there for the same reasons as before. I approached this day with an eye for people who I felt were pushing me dishonestly. Luna was one of them, sprit was the other.

Neither of these are fully formed reads yet, just my first impression after that lynch.

Why are Marmot and Bullzeye the likely bussers?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 8:16 pm Sprityo and speedchuck are the first players that come to mind for possible ties to luna. Some of y’all who helped turned the tide against her are looking great too, but I don’t want to rule out potential bussers right away.

This is a good result. Some interactive Luna reads should be next up. I have school things that I’ve been putting off all day though, so that won’t come from me right now.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 8:16 pm Sprityo and speedchuck are the first players that come to mind for possible ties to luna. Some of y’all who helped turned the tide against her are looking great too, but I don’t want to rule out potential bussers right away.

This is a good result. Some interactive Luna reads should be next up. I have school things that I’ve been putting off all day though, so that won’t come from me right now.

sprityo wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 9:44 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 7:41 pm

Simon wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 7:35 pm Hello !!! so I am just joining a vote Lunalee band wagon since she has 8 votes.

I like this vote, Simon. Do you have any idea who killed Jay, Colin, and Mac?

... i just realized that all my rym friends are dead.

STOP BOTHERING THAT POOR BOY

YOUR WORDS ARE EMPTY AND HOLLOW YOU CONNIVING SCUM

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 8:30 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 8:25 pm Sloon, why sprit and speed? I think bullz and marmot's votes looked way worse

I haven’t considered bussers yet. Sprit and chuck are the two I’d immediately see supportive teammate connections with Luna. I talked about the peculiar (even for them) relationship between speedchuck and luna in one of my posts towards the end of the day. I’d like to look further into it to see if there’s really anything there.

Sprit is up there for the same reasons as before. I approached this day with an eye for people who I felt were pushing me dishonestly. Luna was one of them, sprit was the other.

Neither of these are fully formed reads yet, just my first impression after that lynch.

Why are Marmot and Bullzeye the likely bussers?

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 9:46 pm

sprityo wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 9:44 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 7:41 pm

Simon wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 7:35 pm Hello !!! so I am just joining a vote Lunalee band wagon since she has 8 votes.

I like this vote, Simon. Do you have any idea who killed Jay, Colin, and Mac?

... i just realized that all my rym friends are dead.

STOP BOTHERING THAT POOR BOY

YOUR WORDS ARE EMPTY AND HOLLOW YOU CONNIVING SCUM

Ehh???

Looks like sprit broke bad.


Idk sprit, I had a civ read on you for some reason but you're taking this sloonei thing way too far. Would you be this aggressive as a baddie though, idk.

sprityo wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 9:49 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 8:30 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 8:25 pm Sloon, why sprit and speed? I think bullz and marmot's votes looked way worse

I haven’t considered bussers yet. Sprit and chuck are the two I’d immediately see supportive teammate connections with Luna. I talked about the peculiar (even for them) relationship between speedchuck and luna in one of my posts towards the end of the day. I’d like to look further into it to see if there’s really anything there.

Sprit is up there for the same reasons as before. I approached this day with an eye for people who I felt were pushing me dishonestly. Luna was one of them, sprit was the other.

Neither of these are fully formed reads yet, just my first impression after that lynch.

Why are Marmot and Bullzeye the likely bussers?

How can you “approach” a day of people who were “dishonestly pushing” you when I had no active content or anything against prior to day3?

K-Ness wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 9:54 pm HCRealms mafia did nothing to prepare me for this style. At least now I can trust sloonei. Intuition earlier was telling me Jack was bad, so I might as well trust the opposite of that.

sprityo wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 9:54 pm Tell you this. I’ll stop harassing Sloonei for tonight and we can talk someone else. I definitely think Sloonei is full omgus mode for suspecting speed and I

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 9:56 pm

K-Ness wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 9:54 pm HCRealms mafia did nothing to prepare me for this style. At least now I can trust sloonei. Intuition earlier was telling me Jack was bad, so I might as well trust the opposite of that.

Why am I trustworthy now?

sprityo wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 9:54 pm Tell you this. I’ll stop harassing Sloonei for tonight and we can talk someone else. I definitely think Sloonei is full omgus mode for suspecting speed and I

K-Ness wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 9:59 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 9:56 pm

K-Ness wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 9:54 pm HCRealms mafia did nothing to prepare me for this style. At least now I can trust sloonei. Intuition earlier was telling me Jack was bad, so I might as well trust the opposite of that.

Why am I trustworthy now?

Your pushing of Lunalee.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 10:04 pm

K-Ness wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 9:59 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 9:56 pm

K-Ness wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 9:54 pm HCRealms mafia did nothing to prepare me for this style. At least now I can trust sloonei. Intuition earlier was telling me Jack was bad, so I might as well trust the opposite of that.

Why am I trustworthy now?

Your pushing of Lunalee.

#classicdistancing

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 9:58 pm

sprityo wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 9:54 pm Tell you this. I’ll stop harassing Sloonei for tonight and we can talk someone else. I definitely think Sloonei is full omgus mode for suspecting speed and I

Would town Sloonei do that?

K-Ness wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 10:11 pm I am too naive for this game and really rely too much on night powers. It's true that Realms spoils players.

K-Ness wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 10:11 pm I am too naive for this game and really rely too much on night powers. It's true that Realms spoils players.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 10:22 pm

K-Ness wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 10:11 pm I am too naive for this game and really rely too much on night powers. It's true that Realms spoils players.

Your perspective is valuable and I always enjoy having the influence of other communities on our games here (and vice versa ).
Please ask questions or just state your confusion if at any point you feel your head spinning.

K-Ness wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 10:35 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 10:22 pm

K-Ness wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 10:11 pm I am too naive for this game and really rely too much on night powers. It's true that Realms spoils players.

Your perspective is valuable and I always enjoy having the influence of other communities on our games here (and vice versa ).
Please ask questions or just state your confusion if at any point you feel your head spinning.

I appreciate that. I'm not used to relying so much on instinct. It makes me appreciate being able to ask people about their targets at night and threading together the facts. In this game, it's more about how the players are posting, which I've been trying to wrap my head around.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 9:59 pm Also my speedchuck decision is based much more on his relationship with Luna. In-game, I mean. Out of game they’re an admirable pair by all accounts.

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 9:44 pmActually I haven't mentioned this yet because I otherwise townread him but the other person who looked bus-ish was Kyle. His reasons are his "tie meta" (a real thing to be fair) and "also i trust her voters a lot more than i trust sloonei's, and the case makes more sense" which sounded just a little fake to me somehow. it looked like a decision that he didn't really back up with anything and this is what he came up with. Idk, I guess it could be consistent with town kyle to just state that he agrees with whatever case more in order to pick a candidate in time after doing his reading/weighing/reasoning, but it also struck me as the kind of thing a bussing teammate would say.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 11:19 pm hi

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 1:25 am

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Sep 26, 2018 8:57 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 25, 2018 10:26 pm I'd also like to hear novaselinenever's perspective on yesterday's deadline. He popped up at just the right time to swat our votes away. Did you see anything from any particular players that stood out to you, nova?

What's u! Just popped up back again, i'm going to have to catch up and refresh on some stuff but I had you, Lunalee and Nutella stand out to me. Colin too but he dead lol.

In what ways did we each stand out?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 11:28 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 11:19 pm hi

hello. where are you at in terms of being caught up? got any thoughts to express?

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 11:45 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 11:28 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 11:19 pm hi

hello. where are you at in terms of being caught up? got any thoughts to express?

I'm catching up on this phase. Nutella and Quinn are bad.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 2:46 pm Anyone down for a quick Nova wagon?

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 11:54 pm

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 2:46 pm Anyone down for a quick Nova wagon?

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 11:43 pm

Nutella is just bad lol. She voted me for absolutely no reason except hurr durr "your vote on Quin", and then switched off immediately after I gave a very brief explanation of it. She seems to be agreeing with a whole lot of things and she's always where the momentum is heading.