basic mafia [END]

[EnderWiggin]

it's pretty obvious that you were pinned in such a way that you had no choice but to come out guns blazing at me but you are transparently obvious wolf and will die today so get your shit in

this is not very towny

It's almost like he isn't town.

[TonyStarkPrime]

so if mac/ender a proxy fight between Alison/dizzy or how's that going

[TonyStarkPrime]

Whatever I'm gonna turn into top poster wish me luck

[EnderWiggin]

Whatever I'm gonna turn into top poster wish me luck

Goodluck.

[TonyStarkPrime]

What I'm about to do might be called by some "spamming" or "spamming" but idc

[EnderWiggin]

I'll take spamming over slank for town.

[TonyStarkPrime]

Nanook wolf and partnered with Seanzie

game too easy

if luckbox wolf look at nanook but probably not that likely

[TonyStarkPrime]

Luckbox's opening is insanely scummy so let's start here.

[VOTE: Luckbox] aubergine

So I thought my opening has been good.

don't know what to do with this tbh

[TonyStarkPrime]

I'm saying that you got pissy when I attacked Lunchbox, only instead of coming out and saying "I don't like that you attacked Lunchbox", you try to make it about wanting the game to be chill (apparently voicing scumreads in a mafia game is not chill) and trying to tug on people's sympathy for you coming out of AtLA to convince people to follow along. Your dislike of my attitude towards Lunchbox directly stems from my attack on them; trying to conceal this by arguing that it's about the atmosphere of the game (which doesn't make sense) is scummy behavior.

Exhibit A to prove my point: if your real goal was to make the game chill and focus on a calm atmosphere, you would not coming out and calling me delusional.

Well your read is delusional. It's not changing the atmosphere of the game by saying that. I think you've gained some sort of perspective that the word delusion is somehow a personal attack on you, when there is nothing in the words usage that would mean that. You probably just have some societal use of it stuck in your heard that makes it be seen as "well only crazy loony people get referred to as delusional!!!!" when in reality the term is simply used for when someone has crafted a thought from logic/events that didn't occur how they see. Which is what went happened here. I'm sorry if society has taught you that the word delusional can't be used in a calming environment, I can tell you it's easily used as the word was intended without you needing to take some offense from the word.

I got pissed because you attacked Lunchbox? Lol. I mean already you've either fabricated a world in your mind that never existed or you are purposely saying incorrect things.

i don't /really/ blame alison for wolfreading this tbh

[TonyStarkPrime]

ok I made it to the end of page 2 and now I remember why I didn't read any of this

[EnderWiggin]

ok I made it to the end of page 2 and now I remember why I didn't read any of this

Only 30 more pages.

[TonyStarkPrime]

I mean, I'm pretty sure I've called Nook a wolf already.

What do you think of DoO and Alison?

I don't claiming you hacked his account counts as calling him a wolf fwiw.

I think they're both likely villaging but if one of them is wolfing then it's DoO. This is only my second game with both of them and it wasn't extensive with either-- but Alison seems exactly like she did in the game we played previously, complete with wanting me dead early D1-- and DoO I'll give some respect to as I did think she was villaging D1 (strangely though) in Alta.

this would be tmi i think if luck wolf and maybe it's indication that luck is not wolf

[TonyStarkPrime]

I haven’t read yet literally just checking in

Yeah, but you've already done that.


And I've seen this technique from you before as Maf, so....

[VOTE: Fingersplints] aubergine



Cue the indignant outbrust at being scum read while being busy IRL and trying to catch up

falcon's town

[TonyStarkPrime]

@Esooa I'll policy vote with you.

I've been taught in my short time here that the correct play is:

- Play so that people can't point blame at you postgame
- Always vote on policy
- Never defend yourself in any way
- Town should always lose unless by coincidence the bad players are all mafia

And Guillotine thought I wouldn't learn my lesson...

town has had like a 60 percent win rate this year but ok you do you

[TonyStarkPrime]

Hello, sorry I'm late!

Hello Lu!

Take a read through and give me a weak read.

Sorry, you'll have to settle for strong reads.

Omega and Alison are both just town because of their posts before/at the start of the argument. Omega posted about feeling differently as mafia vs town, saying that she feels a lot more pressured and nervous as mafia, and then immediately said "I might be struggling to engage this game". I think both of those posts could easily be made by mafia, but the progression is much more likely town. Her perspective is just pretty genuine, and that shows up in the way she reacts to Alison. For Alison, I think she's a very zealous player and is probably pretty aggressive even as mafia, but I don't think she'd pick the things she picked here to seize on, and the very quick and convinced conf-bias she went into that with felt organic and more intense than I think she'd be likely to do as mafia in that situation.

Axe is probably also town, not a ton to say here apart from shrugging my shoulder towards the votecount. I think the biggest thing I liked from him was how he reacted to the way people engaged with how he stepped into the argument when everyone else was standing back. Didn't feel like he was trying to get anything extra out of it either at the time or afterwards.

Falcon's entry post was so level 0 mafia that I'm tempted to just say burn it with fire, but I don't remember any of their other posts so I'm not going to commit here yet. The "what happened who can I sheep" at the particular point at which they entered made me cringe.

Luckbox just seems like mafia? The "haha I'm so pure nvm just taking the piss" probing, but especially the "axehole can be a wolf, voting him" is just the laziest and worst approach in the world and not in a towny way at all given thread momentum. He combined that take with saying "I was going to have Seanzie as a maybe, but he can be town sure" and it just feels very arbitrary and like there aren't actual thoughts behind any of what he's saying.

I don't know how to vote, apart from the poll.

ender called this lock town but I think it's kinda wolfy tbh

[TonyStarkPrime]

Luckbox, just make posts. Don't worry about pressure, keep posting and solving and putting thoughts in thread and trust us to get there if you're town.

There is no pressure in syndicate games.

vote:naa for being annoyi g

[Lu Ren]

Hello, sorry I'm late!

Hello Lu!

Take a read through and give me a weak read.

Sorry, you'll have to settle for strong reads.

Omega and Alison are both just town because of their posts before/at the start of the argument. Omega posted about feeling differently as mafia vs town, saying that she feels a lot more pressured and nervous as mafia, and then immediately said "I might be struggling to engage this game". I think both of those posts could easily be made by mafia, but the progression is much more likely town. Her perspective is just pretty genuine, and that shows up in the way she reacts to Alison. For Alison, I think she's a very zealous player and is probably pretty aggressive even as mafia, but I don't think she'd pick the things she picked here to seize on, and the very quick and convinced conf-bias she went into that with felt organic and more intense than I think she'd be likely to do as mafia in that situation.

Axe is probably also town, not a ton to say here apart from shrugging my shoulder towards the votecount. I think the biggest thing I liked from him was how he reacted to the way people engaged with how he stepped into the argument when everyone else was standing back. Didn't feel like he was trying to get anything extra out of it either at the time or afterwards.

Falcon's entry post was so level 0 mafia that I'm tempted to just say burn it with fire, but I don't remember any of their other posts so I'm not going to commit here yet. The "what happened who can I sheep" at the particular point at which they entered made me cringe.

Luckbox just seems like mafia? The "haha I'm so pure nvm just taking the piss" probing, but especially the "axehole can be a wolf, voting him" is just the laziest and worst approach in the world and not in a towny way at all given thread momentum. He combined that take with saying "I was going to have Seanzie as a maybe, but he can be town sure" and it just feels very arbitrary and like there aren't actual thoughts behind any of what he's saying.

I don't know how to vote, apart from the poll.

ender called this lock town but I think it's kinda wolfy tbh

no u

[TonyStarkPrime]

Tonight is a 100 gecs night

start blaring music while I play mafia

well take solace in decent music taste

[TonyStarkPrime]

i think "tsp likes 100 gecs" is probably not something most people in the syndicate walrus discord would expect but I don't think it should be unexpected either so idk

[NotAnAxehole]

Luckbox, just make posts. Don't worry about pressure, keep posting and solving and putting thoughts in thread and trust us to get there if you're town.

There is no pressure in syndicate games.

vote:naa for being annoyi g

If it's not true, then why are you offended?

I heard this is the site motto from a dude named Guillotine

[NotAnAxehole]

Is TSP a PBPA player who just doesn't show up to play most games?

[EnderWiggin]

Is TSP a PBPA player who just doesn't show up to play most games?

I guess. I've never seen them participate before.

[TonyStarkPrime]

So here's the thing.

I think the fact that everyone in the thread is going "Alison is a villager, but she's tunnelling DOO and her read on DOO should be ignored" is telling. If DOO and me were T/T, I'd expect mafia to try to fan the flames a little more and slide by unobtrusively while we're going at it hammer and tongs. Nobody seems interested in digging into our interactions: I've seen a lot of "it's a boring and pointless argument" excuses used to justify essentially ignoring the whole thing and coming out the other side with no desire to pressure DOO.

I'm pretty sure DOO is mafia, and her teammates are trying to protect her without having to publicly defend her or attack me (which would be difficult). They drop broad townreads on me to placate me, probably kill me at night and use the fact that I was widely townread to excuse it, and try at all times to paint me as confbiased and my push on DOO as bad.

Lunchbox fits this pattern, their posting has been individually bad and the way they treat DOO and the way DOO treats them is extremely weird.

i'm gonna take a hmm on this before i have to make a decision on what i think

[TonyStarkPrime]

Is TSP a PBPA player who just doesn't show up to play most games?

well i've been champsing

[TonyStarkPrime]

it went poorly tbh

[NotAnAxehole]

Champs lol

[TonyStarkPrime]

I'm honestly going to choose death rather than continuing to engage with someone like this. I can find other things to do with my time.

Vote yourself then.

And you say a fake red check is toxic.

Fake red checks are toxic because they throw games.

What I did was excellent because it forces a mafia member to either vote themselves or out themselves. It's like the opposite of throwing a game, it helps town win!

mmmmmmmmmm

[TonyStarkPrime]

There's something inside me that pulls beneath the surface (beneath the surface)
Consuming (consuming), confusing (confusing)
This lack of self control I find so overwhelming (so overwhelming)
Controlling (controlling),
I can't seemn to find the strength within
My walls are closing in
(without a sense of confidence and I'm convinced that there's just too much pressure to take)
I've felt this way before
So insecure

you were doing so good up until this point

[TonyStarkPrime]

Come on Esooa, talk about how wolfy I am, it's good for you to seem town

I think DOOM isn't interacting with everyone, thinking about players, or making free flowing posts, so I think they're a wolf

yeah but what about all the other stuff wolves don't usually do?

My good sir, please put down the defend card.

It doesn't matter. Either it's going to be TMI on DoO or we're partners.

huh

[TonyStarkPrime]

I’m also ok with the votes on DOO, but am a bit more hesitant to vote there because they seem to be going through something and I’m a sucker like that to the emotional plea

i think they do this every game

[TonyStarkPrime]

Town
NotanAxehole
Alison
Fingers
Nanook
Seanzie

Null
Dyslexicon
Grogu
Belzy
Falcon
TSP

Mafia
Luckbox
Ender Wiggin
Esooa
Lu Ren

I don't think you should've put Luckbox with the other townreads like that.

But lunchbox is listed as mafia.

this player subbed out and i don't know who they are but they're a wolf

[TonyStarkPrime]

update that was false

[EnderWiggin]

Town
NotanAxehole
Alison
Fingers
Nanook
Seanzie

Null
Dyslexicon
Grogu
Belzy
Falcon
TSP

Mafia
Luckbox
Ender Wiggin
Esooa
Lu Ren

I don't think you should've put Luckbox with the other townreads like that.

But lunchbox is listed as mafia.

this player subbed out and i don't know who they are but they're a wolf

Hahahaha.

I can't tell if dumbtelling or faking but god that gave me a much needed laugh.

[TonyStarkPrime]

Esooa seems fine thus far, and GTH I'm guessing town there. I could be wrong, this isn't a super developed reads list, more to sort my thoughts than anything. That being said, I feel feel about where Esooa is for now.

I don't think Finger's one post that you've pushed hard is as wolfy as you are trying to make it out to be. With that post aside, they've been fine. I also feel fine about Falcon.

Let's pretend that I'm already dead, my role is town, and Alison is killed at night: who would you want to kill tomorrow?

I mean, if you get TK'd and flip town, idk why wolves would kill Alison...

My list is not comprised of many associative reads, so it would still more-or-less stand. I'd probably take a closer look at DoO if Alison died, and I'd hope that by tomorrow the inactives and bare-actives will actually have readable content. Next on my list would be Dizzy or Nook, and honestly I don't feel super comfortable with the idea of either of them dying right now, so idk who I'd kill. I'd have to re-evaluate with more info.

i feel like sean also might be dead so I don't wanna say anyhting but if he's not dead this is townie

[TonyStarkPrime]

jesus twice in a row

[TonyStarkPrime]

Why is splints a wolf?

Wolfy tone

Not convincing.

I'm not really sure you understand tone fwiw.

I definitely do.

regardless of whether or not you do i think splints is >rand wolf at least at this point and probably also in the future

[MacDougall]

keep going tsp the floor is yours

[EnderWiggin]

I actually agree with Mac here. I want to see how the TSP re-read goes.

[Luckbox Inc]

I actually agree with Mac here. I want to see how the TSP re-read goes.

I've been enjoying watching it.

[TonyStarkPrime]

Sean is scum reading me. Maybe NAI but big nope.
Erika is arguing with this read and buddying me.
Erika lock scum.

Not really, but now that it happens, it's kind of weird.

who's erika and i think if erika=belzy then dizzy probably town

[TonyStarkPrime]

I don't know who to vote.

Does anyone have a good argument?

TonyStark voted me, and done NOTHING TOWNLY! so i omgus vote here

this is basically all cases on me at all time so I would appreciate it if more people tried this succinct style

[TonyStarkPrime]

Come on! I am worth keeping more than that!

This may be the least true statement I've read all game...

[VOTE: Belzy] aubergine

naa going hard on the "make me want to punch him" metric but I'm not a particularly nice player so that's not necessarily an insult

[TonyStarkPrime]

I never realize how good I have it in a mafia community until I try and play somewhere else, where the community is so brainless it hurts to read.

Glad Syn is decent

This post was shortly before Syn subbed in for Grogu. BTSC maybe?

falcon is so obviously town

[TonyStarkPrime]

No, I just don't like reading. I forgot I signed up for this game, and then forgot about the game again, and now I'm wondering if I can just play the game with no motivation, basically no reading, and still not be a total donkey who fucks me team over. It's been going so-so in the past. =p

I once joined a game on a smurf and exclusively used random.org, ignored every post in the game and people thought I was a god. It's a good place to start if you don't want to read.

rng says you're a wolf

what now, money bags

You have only 7 posts. Gave no reads, ask no one questions, only this rng read, and then vote for me while i am clearly an easy target for goofing around and not caring. You scum yourself, bb?

I just subbed in lol

how are you an easy target

You don't agree with me being easy target?

Why you vote me? Why me and not TonyStark?

You still not answered my questioned or explained your vote.. still no reads/thoughts from me. Just vote me, and ask me a question back instead answering yourself..bad syn is bad!

is this a gavial alt

you weren't even in that game

[TonyStarkPrime]

vote DOOm for chaos

this is a wolfy post and i don't care who posted it

[TonyStarkPrime]

Basen on me reading not a whole lot, but trying to get an overview:

Some maybe town reads:
Belzy
Syn
Falcon
Sean

Honestly my town reads aren't really that strong

Suss:
Alison

If Alison is mafia, check Lucky's end of their interaction. I think Alison's interaction with Lucky is definitely teammate compatible.

why are your town reads only the people who have posted since you entered the thread

Is this a serious question?

[TonyStarkPrime]

Belzy and Dizzy feel villagery fwiw-- Dizzy moreso by a wide margin but killing Belzy anytime soon also seems bad.

i genuinely read about zero percent of day two but, knowing the ending, I'm curious how this part develops

[TonyStarkPrime]

What's clear to me is that mafia definitely cares about the outcome of the day: there hasn't been stagnation on the wagons, and a lot of vote movement is happening. That suggests to me that a mafia is in danger, and the most likely one is probably DOO.

so i think this is the post where Alison's certainty that a basically rand wagon was a wolf flipped from towny to wolfy

[TonyStarkPrime]

Dizzy/DOO team looks super compatible here. DOO voteparked on me despite having me as a townread, and Dizzy tried to push me after I came out with scumreads on both him and DOO. The case that Dizzy's giving is bad too. I asked if Luck often likes to play wolf because his first post gave me a "hello fellow townies" feeling and I was seeing if it was facetious. The only other read he has an issue with is a bald "that's not a real thought", and an OMGUS against my suspicion on him.

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME what's with the naked vote btw?

I'm pretty sure star is town so I'm voting with my tr

who's star

[EnderWiggin]

Dizzy/DOO team looks super compatible here. DOO voteparked on me despite having me as a townread, and Dizzy tried to push me after I came out with scumreads on both him and DOO. The case that Dizzy's giving is bad too. I asked if Luck often likes to play wolf because his first post gave me a "hello fellow townies" feeling and I was seeing if it was facetious. The only other read he has an issue with is a bald "that's not a real thought", and an OMGUS against my suspicion on him.

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME what's with the naked vote btw?

I'm pretty sure star is town so I'm voting with my tr

who's star

NotAnAxehole