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I'm teaching a class... while also typing up a post about FINALLY FINDING a scum!Rem game after digging through MU for like two hours. Will come soon (or not... I am actually teaching a class currently, so gotta pay some attention to that)
yeah I think this is a reasonable POV for youDrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 12:34 pm And like, with you Pyx, it's really hard to compare this game to cyberpunk because I had tmi there. I WANT to say it's similar enough, in attitude.
Some things look similar, but you joining thread only after cape is gone is level 0 but also feels correct to be suspicious about.
Godspeed buddy
I get this. My meeting ended maybe 45 min ago and was a short one luckily.
Plz god never follow my example on how to wolf.pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 1:01 pmyeah I think this is a reasonable POV for youDrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 12:34 pm And like, with you Pyx, it's really hard to compare this game to cyberpunk because I had tmi there. I WANT to say it's similar enough, in attitude.
Some things look similar, but you joining thread only after cape is gone is level 0 but also feels correct to be suspicious about.
and the only way to parse it is what you're trying, cross-game almost angleshooty reads, which are dangerous, not to mention possibly unreliable
or
you could theorize that I thought it would be funny to awaken D2 like you did in Cyberpunk, since we were in both games
but I didn't think of that
[VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergineDrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 9:57 amZenon really feels like town ZenonSeanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 9:47 amWhy Zenon so high, and me so low?DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 9:45 ambehold the 47.25% uninformed rainbow.
Zenon
Falc
Epi
Guillo
Seanzie
Rem
Robyn
Pyyxy
Order within color brackets has no meaning. color has no meaning. nothing has meaning.
You felt like town you, but T Cape said yeet you, and T Tutuu said to sheep Zenon who said to yeet you. SO your position is an ACK that I'm big dumb 28.9892% of the time and that I could be wrong.
This list contradicts your early read on Seanzie, like you can't possibly have believed that Seanzie felt town and put him in the orange pile just because Zenon said so. NopeDrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 9:45 ambehold the 47.25% uninformed rainbow.
Zenon
Falc
Epi
Guillo
Seanzie
Rem
Robyn
Pyyxy
Order within color brackets has no meaning. color has no meaning. nothing has meaning.
If Wilgy is a wolf Zenon and Seanzie are def spewed town based on this.DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 10:06 amyou and Rem are the same color silly.Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 9:59 amHow do you tell the difference between town!Zenon and wolf!Zenon?DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 9:57 amZenon really feels like town Zenon
You felt like town you, but T Cape said yeet you, and T Tutuu said to sheep Zenon who said to yeet you. SO your position is an ACK that I'm big dumb 28.9892% of the time and that I could be wrong.
Zenon admits they suck at scumreads. Does that factor into your two-layer sheep read?
If you are sheeping Zenon on her scumread of me, why is Rem so low?
Also idk, but I'm pretty sure I have the Zenon read at least semi tangibly 75.4% of the time. I've gotten it correct afew times. W!Zenon the agenda comes through just ever so slightly, but this cartoon is just kinda schmoovin like T Zenon.
my gut is screaming to w read Rem, but I wouldn't actually vote there because of Zenon's read until given need to do otherwise as it stands.
YupSeanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 10:07 am Oh ho ho!!! This get's better!
Where is that?DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 9:57 amZenon really feels like town ZenonSeanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 9:47 amWhy Zenon so high, and me so low?DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 9:45 ambehold the 47.25% uninformed rainbow.
Zenon
Falc
Epi
Guillo
Seanzie
Rem
Robyn
Pyyxy
Order within color brackets has no meaning. color has no meaning. nothing has meaning.
You felt like town you, but T Cape said yeet you, and T Tutuu said to sheep Zenon who said to yeet you. SO your position is an ACK that I'm big dumb 28.9892% of the time and that I could be wrong.
Here?
Which was followed up with moving their vote to Tutuu 3 minutes later?
"I don't like this vote too much" equates to "yeet Seanzie"? Uhh huh...
So...
Wilgy is misrepresenting Cape, and "sheeping tutuu, sheeping zenon" on me, but NOT Rem?
Nah.
[VOTE: Wilgy] aubergine
Weird, I can drop a randy vote at start of phase prior to reading Cape's legacy on you and Zenon and leave it there for 24 hours because I wasn't around?Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 1:21 pmWeird, if you were willing to consider Cape's legacy on me and Zenon, why did you park your vote one me for more than 24 hours?
Correct! I also don't trust his change of heart and that now he wants to townread me because of legacies but he started this day voting me, not to mention he scum read cape90 yesterday but today all of those trust issues with their reads and pushes are magically gone because the flipped town? and suddenly he wants to sheep the dead that he himself scum read yesterday?Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 10:18 amYeah, that doesn't scream "yeet Sean" to me. You're using dead people's reads with an agenda.DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 10:14 amCape90 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 4:51 pm So I will cut EOD pretty close
I still think Guillotine is just town here and am not sure what the votes on him are about
I'm considering getting off pyxxy because if he is wolf, I would not expect his mafia partner to try? Like just because of how nothing he is playing and I get the vibe of people trying this gameSo the way I see Cape's posts before EoD I see
T Guillo
W Sean, Robyn, Pyx and Tutuu in that order of bottom of totem pole from least to most scummy per Cape.
No, not really, you can just not drop a vote at all if you are not gonna be around for 24 hours.DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 1:58 pmWeird, I can drop a randy vote at start of phase prior to reading Cape's legacy on you and Zenon and leave it there for 24 hours because I wasn't around?Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 1:21 pmWeird, if you were willing to consider Cape's legacy on me and Zenon, why did you park your vote one me for more than 24 hours?
zzzGuillotine wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 1:26 pm It does not make sense that Wilgy townreads Seanzie and Zenon and decides to sheep a townread to vote another townread, that is scummy.
NahGuillotine wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 2:00 pmNo, not really, you can just not drop a vote at all if you are not gonna be around for 24 hours.DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 1:58 pmWeird, I can drop a randy vote at start of phase prior to reading Cape's legacy on you and Zenon and leave it there for 24 hours because I wasn't around?Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 1:21 pmWeird, if you were willing to consider Cape's legacy on me and Zenon, why did you park your vote one me for more than 24 hours?
It's almost as if my reads change and develop as the gamestate changes!Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 1:29 pmThis list contradicts your early read on Seanzie, like you can't possibly have believed that Seanzie felt town and put him in the orange pile just because Zenon said so. NopeDrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 9:45 ambehold the 47.25% uninformed rainbow.
Zenon
Falc
Epi
Guillo
Seanzie
Rem
Robyn
Pyyxy
Order within color brackets has no meaning. color has no meaning. nothing has meaning.
YahDrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 2:01 pmNahGuillotine wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 2:00 pmNo, not really, you can just not drop a vote at all if you are not gonna be around for 24 hours.DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 1:58 pmWeird, I can drop a randy vote at start of phase prior to reading Cape's legacy on you and Zenon and leave it there for 24 hours because I wasn't around?Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 1:21 pmWeird, if you were willing to consider Cape's legacy on me and Zenon, why did you park your vote one me for more than 24 hours?
Aye, it was me, I didn't mean to imply that you did it, but rather you enabled ME to do it lol. There was just alot of movement and I recall that you and I were pro chaos.
I'd agree if those changes happen organically but they changed because you decided to sheep, hence they are inorganic.DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 2:02 pmIt's almost as if my reads change and develop as the gamestate changes!Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 1:29 pmThis list contradicts your early read on Seanzie, like you can't possibly have believed that Seanzie felt town and put him in the orange pile just because Zenon said so. NopeDrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 9:45 ambehold the 47.25% uninformed rainbow.
Zenon
Falc
Epi
Guillo
Seanzie
Rem
Robyn
Pyyxy
Order within color brackets has no meaning. color has no meaning. nothing has meaning.
alright, first off why would I try to associate you to me? that doesn't even make sense I wanted you gone yesterday lol.Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 1:59 pmCorrect! I also don't trust his change of heart and that now he wants to townread me because of legacies but he started this day voting me, not to mention he scum read cape90 yesterday but today all of those trust issues with their reads and pushes are magically gone because the flipped town? and suddenly he wants to sheep the dead that he himself scum read yesterday?Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 10:18 amYeah, that doesn't scream "yeet Sean" to me. You're using dead people's reads with an agenda.DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 10:14 amCape90 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 4:51 pm So I will cut EOD pretty close
I still think Guillotine is just town here and am not sure what the votes on him are about
I'm considering getting off pyxxy because if he is wolf, I would not expect his mafia partner to try? Like just because of how nothing he is playing and I get the vibe of people trying this gameSo the way I see Cape's posts before EoD I see
T Guillo
W Sean, Robyn, Pyx and Tutuu in that order of bottom of totem pole from least to most scummy per Cape.
Sheep Cape90 into townreading me?
Nah fam, Wilgy is scum here and is trying to associate me with him.
Rem is too fluffy, I'd like to trust Zenon but feel that I'm unable to do so fully. Would yeet.Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 2:02 pmYahDrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 2:01 pmNahGuillotine wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 2:00 pmNo, not really, you can just not drop a vote at all if you are not gonna be around for 24 hours.DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 1:58 pmWeird, I can drop a randy vote at start of phase prior to reading Cape's legacy on you and Zenon and leave it there for 24 hours because I wasn't around?Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 1:21 pmWeird, if you were willing to consider Cape's legacy on me and Zenon, why did you park your vote one me for more than 24 hours?
What is your read on Rem, Pyxxy and Robyn?
PLOT TWISTGuillotine wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 2:04 pmI'd agree if those changes happen organically but they changed because you decided to sheep, hence they are inorganic.DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 2:02 pmIt's almost as if my reads change and develop as the gamestate changes!Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 1:29 pmThis list contradicts your early read on Seanzie, like you can't possibly have believed that Seanzie felt town and put him in the orange pile just because Zenon said so. NopeDrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 9:45 ambehold the 47.25% uninformed rainbow.
Zenon
Falc
Epi
Guillo
Seanzie
Rem
Robyn
Pyyxy
Order within color brackets has no meaning. color has no meaning. nothing has meaning.
Plus further on Rem, I do think that a chunk of energy was put into pocketing me for some reason. I just don't see why the shitposting gave me a tr last cycle.DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 2:07 pmRem is too fluffy, I'd like to trust Zenon but feel that I'm unable to do so fully. Would yeet.Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 2:02 pmYahDrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 2:01 pmNahGuillotine wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 2:00 pmNo, not really, you can just not drop a vote at all if you are not gonna be around for 24 hours.DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 1:58 pmWeird, I can drop a randy vote at start of phase prior to reading Cape's legacy on you and Zenon and leave it there for 24 hours because I wasn't around?Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 1:21 pmWeird, if you were willing to consider Cape's legacy on me and Zenon, why did you park your vote one me for more than 24 hours?
What is your read on Rem, Pyxxy and Robyn?
Pyxxy is just wolfy this game.
Robyn is also wolfy this game. They were the first to try to draw attention to the weirdness of the nk this cyle, like almost immediately, and have been almost completely mia at the same time.
You don't understand because you are not town that is why.DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 2:05 pmalright, first off why would I try to associate you to me? that doesn't even make sense I wanted you gone yesterday lol.Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 1:59 pmCorrect! I also don't trust his change of heart and that now he wants to townread me because of legacies but he started this day voting me, not to mention he scum read cape90 yesterday but today all of those trust issues with their reads and pushes are magically gone because the flipped town? and suddenly he wants to sheep the dead that he himself scum read yesterday?Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 10:18 amYeah, that doesn't scream "yeet Sean" to me. You're using dead people's reads with an agenda.DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 10:14 amCape90 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 4:51 pm So I will cut EOD pretty close
I still think Guillotine is just town here and am not sure what the votes on him are about
I'm considering getting off pyxxy because if he is wolf, I would not expect his mafia partner to try? Like just because of how nothing he is playing and I get the vibe of people trying this gameSo the way I see Cape's posts before EoD I see
T Guillo
W Sean, Robyn, Pyx and Tutuu in that order of bottom of totem pole from least to most scummy per Cape.
Sheep Cape90 into townreading me?
Nah fam, Wilgy is scum here and is trying to associate me with him.
and of course they are magically gone because they flipped town. I know they are town now.
What are you even arguing for?
Please go read cyberpunk. I quite literally lost as W because T was smart enough to sheep. Forgive me for choosing to drop my own ego.Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 2:12 pm When a townie scum reads another townie and they flip part of their ego still wanna be right and will not admit that the townie they tunneled had good reads. This is most people townies never sheep the dead, because they wanna be right and the dead is telling them that they were wrong about them.
Also, the primary reason scum kills a player on night 1 is if they are an imminent threat! But they also can kill for WIFOM! So blindly sheeping the dead is dangerous!
This is unnecessarily condescending and not really an argument.Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 2:12 pm I don't know how long you have been playing this game but this is mafia basics, you should know this if you have been playing more than 6 months.
Why not?Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 2:12 pm I don't see believe you are willing to sheep the towny (Cape90) that you yourself tunneled yesterday into townreading the other townie (Me) whom you also tunneled and almost eliminated yesterday.
Ok. What about Falcon then?DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 2:07 pmRem is too fluffy, I'd like to trust Zenon but feel that I'm unable to do so fully. Would yeet.Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 2:02 pmYahDrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 2:01 pmNahGuillotine wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 2:00 pmNo, not really, you can just not drop a vote at all if you are not gonna be around for 24 hours.DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 1:58 pmWeird, I can drop a randy vote at start of phase prior to reading Cape's legacy on you and Zenon and leave it there for 24 hours because I wasn't around?Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 1:21 pmWeird, if you were willing to consider Cape's legacy on me and Zenon, why did you park your vote one me for more than 24 hours?
What is your read on Rem, Pyxxy and Robyn?
Pyxxy is just wolfy this game.
Robyn is also wolfy this game. They were the first to try to draw attention to the weirdness of the nk this cyle, like almost immediately, and have been almost completely mia at the same time.
1) Are you prone to sheep others as town? is this in your town meta? If yes, I'd like to see proof please.DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 2:15 pmPlease go read cyberpunk. I quite literally lost as W because T was smart enough to sheep. Forgive me for choosing to drop my own ego.Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 2:12 pm When a townie scum reads another townie and they flip part of their ego still wanna be right and will not admit that the townie they tunneled had good reads. This is most people townies never sheep the dead, because they wanna be right and the dead is telling them that they were wrong about them.
Also, the primary reason scum kills a player on night 1 is if they are an imminent threat! But they also can kill for WIFOM! So blindly sheeping the dead is dangerous!
This is unnecessarily condescending and not really an argument.Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 2:12 pm I don't know how long you have been playing this game but this is mafia basics, you should know this if you have been playing more than 6 months.
Why not?Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 2:12 pm I don't see believe you are willing to sheep the towny (Cape90) that you yourself tunneled yesterday into townreading the other townie (Me) whom you also tunneled and almost eliminated yesterday.
I have no meta, good luck with that one.Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 2:24 pm 1) Are you prone to sheep others as town? is this in your town meta? If yes, I'd like to see proof please.
Putting should statements on things like this is inherently condescending. You don't get to decide what values others have.Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 2:24 pm 2) It was not meant tobe condescending, it is a fact, anyone playing longer than 6 months should know that.
Cool, please point to evidence of it being fake. This is thin.Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 2:24 pm Also here is a theory. Imagine you fake being away from the thread but you have been reading.
That was kinda the point, I was giving you heat yesterday.Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 2:24 pm Then imagine you see I get a lot of heat and you just wanna see if I get enough heat to get executed today.
Alrighty sure, on the premise that I had actually read that at that point fine.Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 2:24 pm Then as you saw that Seanzie, Epignosis, Zenon and myself have found each other then you come in the thread with your sheep story and make an 180 on me to magically townread me because Cape90 said so. Specially because your name was being brought up and you knew that you remaining AFK will eventually bring you some heat.
But I am townreading you. The TR didn't come directly from Cape. It was a combination of Cape's read being able to be judged as real and your interactions with Sean. As I stated. Earlier. When you had 45% scum equity with Tutuu.Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 2:24 pm So this is the perfect opportunity to make it look like you are townreading me only you did it deliberately inorganic so if you die first and flip wolf, then your partner, whoever they are can start a push on me pointing out how inorganic your townread on me was and getting me sussed that way.
I am sure of Zenon's towniness?Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 2:25 pmSo why are you sheeping Zenon if you are not sure about their townieness?
andDrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 9:57 amZenon really feels like town ZenonSeanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 9:47 amWhy Zenon so high, and me so low?DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 9:45 ambehold the 47.25% uninformed rainbow.
Zenon
Falc
Epi
Guillo
Seanzie
Rem
Robyn
Pyyxy
Order within color brackets has no meaning. color has no meaning. nothing has meaning.
You felt like town you, but T Cape said yeet you, and T Tutuu said to sheep Zenon who said to yeet you. SO your position is an ACK that I'm big dumb 28.9892% of the time and that I could be wrong.
Because Im not talking about Rem im talking about your sudden Zenon read change in the span of a page with no clear progression.
My read on Zenon didn't change. Please reread the quote.Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 2:42 pmBecause Im not talking about Rem im talking about your sudden Zenon read change in the span of a page with no clear progression.
Oh I see, my bad.DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 2:44 pmMy read on Zenon didn't change. Please reread the quote.Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 2:42 pmBecause Im not talking about Rem im talking about your sudden Zenon read change in the span of a page with no clear progression.
Really don't feel like when I'm asked specifically about Rem, and I respond with subject matter Rem, and end it in a 'Would yeet.' you'd get to 'they changed their read on Zenon.' Did I need to put 'Would yeet Rem?'
The way I see it is:
@DrWilgy 