The Syndicate

Epignosis
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Epignosis (1)
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I'm fine with the Nero lynch though the amount of votes makes me think we might not be hitting mafia. I'll be voting for Ika atm.

sig wrote:I'm fine with the Nero lynch though the amount of votes makes me think we might not be hitting mafia. I'll be voting for Ika atm.

An ika lynch would be okay with me too.

If Nerolunar is bad, I'm looking for posts like this one:

Sorsha wrote:Yeah. I'm voting Nero too. I could also vote ika, I'd like him to explain what "the point" actually was when he said "that's not the point"here I kinda want to vote LC too over the "slip" too. Not totally sure if it was one but seems like strange wording otherwise.

This tells me Sorsha is voting Nero for "Yeah" but she's setting up the next lynch because she's going to look better for voting him. So Long Con has to go next, right? Right guys?

Then, right after:

ika wrote:

Sorsha wrote:Yeah. I'm voting Nero too. I could also vote ika, I'd like him to explain what "the point" actually was when he said "that's not the point"here I kinda want to vote LC too over the "slip" too. Not totally sure if it was one but seems like strange wording otherwise.

Or you can vote me, I think the point should be self explaintory

This just sounds like shit ika would say to a teammate.

sig wrote:I'm fine with the Nero lynch though the amount of votes makes me think we might not be hitting mafia. I'll be voting for Ika atm.

I'm down to join. At least for now.

I'd like to see how he responds.

There's just such little participation here, it's difficult to work out anybody's opinions. I vote and make a case and people follow that.

THIS is why civilians lose. It isn't because of mechanics (most of the time) and it isn't because of balance (most of the time).

It's because civilians don't try.

Try goddamnit.

Epignosis wrote:There's just such little participation here, it's difficult to work out anybody's opinions. I vote and make a case and people follow that.

THIS is why civilians lose. It isn't because of mechanics (most of the time) and it isn't because of balance (most of the time).

It's because civilians don't try.

Try goddamnit.

You're so bad.

thellama73 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:There's just such little participation here, it's difficult to work out anybody's opinions. I vote and make a case and people follow that.

THIS is why civilians lose. It isn't because of mechanics (most of the time) and it isn't because of balance (most of the time).

It's because civilians don't try.

Try goddamnit.

You're so bad.

why

POLO seems more interested in this than the living people. Come on! Speak!

Epignosis wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:There's just such little participation here, it's difficult to work out anybody's opinions. I vote and make a case and people follow that.

THIS is why civilians lose. It isn't because of mechanics (most of the time) and it isn't because of balance (most of the time).

It's because civilians don't try.

Try goddamnit.

You're so bad.

why

Because Elohcin, when handing out roles for this game, randomly selected you to be a member of the mafia. That's why.

Epignosis wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:There's just such little participation here, it's difficult to work out anybody's opinions. I vote and make a case and people follow that.

THIS is why civilians lose. It isn't because of mechanics (most of the time) and it isn't because of balance (most of the time).

It's because civilians don't try.

Try goddamnit.

You're so bad.

why

I will admit that this is the most un-Epi post that I've seen all game.

Dom wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:There's just such little participation here, it's difficult to work out anybody's opinions. I vote and make a case and people follow that.

THIS is why civilians lose. It isn't because of mechanics (most of the time) and it isn't because of balance (most of the time).

It's because civilians don't try.

Try goddamnit.

You're so bad.

why

I will admit that this is the most un-Epi post that I've seen all game.

I thought it was hilarious. Don't you?

Epignosis wrote:

Dom wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:There's just such little participation here, it's difficult to work out anybody's opinions. I vote and make a case and people follow that.

THIS is why civilians lose. It isn't because of mechanics (most of the time) and it isn't because of balance (most of the time).

It's because civilians don't try.

Try goddamnit.

You're so bad.

why

I will admit that this is the most un-Epi post that I've seen all game.

I thought it was hilarious. Don't you?

Channeling your inner Dom?

Dom wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Dom wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:There's just such little participation here, it's difficult to work out anybody's opinions. I vote and make a case and people follow that.

THIS is why civilians lose. It isn't because of mechanics (most of the time) and it isn't because of balance (most of the time).

It's because civilians don't try.

Try goddamnit.

You're so bad.

why

I will admit that this is the most un-Epi post that I've seen all game.

I thought it was hilarious. Don't you?

Channeling your inner Dom?

I try, but I can never get the notes right.

Epignosis wrote:

Dom wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Dom wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:There's just such little participation here, it's difficult to work out anybody's opinions. I vote and make a case and people follow that.

THIS is why civilians lose. It isn't because of mechanics (most of the time) and it isn't because of balance (most of the time).

It's because civilians don't try.

Try goddamnit.

You're so bad.

why

I will admit that this is the most un-Epi post that I've seen all game.

I thought it was hilarious. Don't you?

Channeling your inner Dom?

I try, but I can never get the notes right.

a few upside down question marks might have done the trick:


"why¿¿¿¿"

Sorry I've been MIA the past few days. Life got in the way. Been keeping up with the thread a bit, but haven't had the chance to post and missed the last lynch (apologies to players and host for that. I hate missing votes). Done with travel now and the super-busy part of Passover (our latest in Jewish holiday fun) is past us. I should be able to play for real now.

Voting Nero, so I don't forget to vote, or in case I get caught up in things to do at work tomorrow. I didn't like his vote for me or for DF. I don't think he's civ.

thellama73 wrote:I'm going with Scotty again. A bit puzzled as to why the people who agreed with me yesterday have been shifting away from him.

My name's not Scotty.

sig wrote:I also like the votes on Nero, I'm unsure about llama

I want to say Epi is a civ, but I'm holding doubt based on paranoia.

I'd like more votes on Matt personally, but based on the circumstances, Nero is a good option.

Also, ika voted for himself. That's what I do when I'm mafia.

ika wrote:

Dom wrote:I just added something relevant. I didn't discredit you. I simply informed you that you were wrong.

You, however, are doing quite the job of an attempted discrediting of me, though.

i was directing it at the post you made, had nothign to do with your overal play, nice misrepresentation

and no im not wrong, if epi belives im scum he should be voting me instead. if not i call bullshit

Votes are changeable, what's the hurry?

sig wrote:

Dom wrote:sig are you bad

No llama dom are you?

What do you think of the LC maybe slip?

It looks like a slip, but last time I thought I caught a slip (and LC will remember this one) was Scotty's fake slip in Of Montreal.

So yeah, we should lynch Long Con tomorrow.

Dom wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

sig wrote:Why do you think that Llama?


Matt your idea is odd, I'm mafia with Daisy since we were Pming about OT stuff? Are you mafia trying to set me up?

I'm going to look into Ika and see what I can dig up, I've got a weird gut read on him.

I have played a lot of games with Epi, and this game he seems to be very coldly calculating. Usually his calculations lead to baddie lynches, but they haven't this game. Call it a hunch, but I just don't feel good about him.

You think so?
I've seen Epi be wrong probably just as much as he's right.

That's still probably less often than other people, the being wrong part I mean.

And I see llama said the same thing.

Epignosis wrote:

sig wrote:

Long Con wrote:

sig wrote:Wait how do you know she wasn't an info role?

I meant a *known* info role, like Wilgy. I doubt she was Sarah O'Brien.

No but you might be which is how you know she wasn't an info role.
It seens like a scum slip to me.

If Long Con knew spacedaisy's role, I don't think this would make sense as a "slip."

Why not?

If Long Con knew Spacedaisy's role, then this is definitely a slip. I realize it doesn't make him mafia, but it could still be a slip, unless Long Con isn't lying in saying that was a typo.

I think that line would be a good one to lie detect (if that role is still around).

Scotty wrote:Dropping in to vote for Nero. Nothing he has said in defense of his leading 4 votes all day has made me think he is anything but bad.

Sorsha wrote:Yeah. I'm voting Nero too. I could also vote ika, I'd like him to explain what "the point" actually was when he said "that's not the point"here I kinda want to vote LC too over the "slip" too. Not totally sure if it was one but seems like strange wording otherwise.

Well hi you guys, nice of you to stop in and vote, and conveniently right next to each other.

Epignosis wrote:There's just such little participation here, it's difficult to work out anybody's opinions. I vote and make a case and people follow that.

THIS is why civilians lose. It isn't because of mechanics (most of the time) and it isn't because of balance (most of the time).

It's because civilians don't try.

Try goddamnit.

Hi.

I can promise you that when the Scrimmage ends, I'll be more active.

Also, I'm voting llama because NO U.

I'll likely not leave my vote there at the end of the day though... maybe.

sig wrote:I'm fine with the Nero lynch though the amount of votes makes me think we might not be hitting mafia. I'll be voting for Ika atm.

Ika ain´t mafia either. Just saying.

I can´t even steer this wagon away from me. Too many people following through without prior suspicion of me. Those are the people you guys should go after when I get mislynched. You still have the choice to move away from me but I will be damned if you don´t use my death for anything. This massive wagon is guaranteed to have mafia on it.

CFD Sorsha anyone? Sorsha Her vote for me is fishy and she is flying too low.

Nerolunar wrote:Yuck, people are voting for me.

Im getting suspicious of Sorsha. She is wallflowering and it doesn´t look good. Matt is also being weird - Im leaning scum on these two.

Tbh I find it weird that Wilgy listed me. I don´t have BTSC with anyone of any alignment. I think it was more of a scum read from him, and not an indicator of how his role worked out.

This is your first post about Sorsha. Why did you drop sig and LoRab?

Im not sure about them anymore.

Did nero have this many votes in Arkham when he was lynched?

Since it seems like he has lots of votes and not really any push to stop him from getting lynched. Having said this I could see his teammates especially a player like Ika bussing him.

ika, did you kill Silverwolf?

Epignosis wrote:ika, did you kill Silverwolf?

go reach champs game and tell me what the answer is.

sig wrote:Did nero have this many votes in Arkham when he was lynched?

Since it seems like he has lots of votes and not really any push to stop him from getting lynched. Having said this I could see his teammates especially a player like Ika bussing him.

Are you saying you think Im being bussed? Im not being bussed, just mislynched and its unsettling how many people are fine with it. I guess I should have amped up my civvieness to avoid it but I have honestly had trouble generating well-documented reads. Failing to tone-read correctly got people mislynched and it sucks to be a part of that.

If I do ultimately get lynched tonight, I want you guys to make use of my death and catch some scum. Otherwise this game is just going to be sad.

ika wrote:

Epignosis wrote:ika, did you kill Silverwolf?

go reach champs game and tell me what the answer is.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Indeed, ika insisted on killing Silver N1, which I was OK with because she was onto me more than anyone else. I feared Epignosis, so I killed him too.

Epignosis wrote:

ika wrote:

Epignosis wrote:ika, did you kill Silverwolf?

go reach champs game and tell me what the answer is.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Indeed, ika insisted on killing Silver N1, which I was OK with because she was onto me more than anyone else. I feared Epignosis, so I killed him too.

i like how you use MPs reaosns and not my own. nice misrperesentation

Nerolunar wrote:Im not sure about them anymore.

y

ika wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

ika wrote:

Epignosis wrote:ika, did you kill Silverwolf?

go reach champs game and tell me what the answer is.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Indeed, ika insisted on killing Silver N1, which I was OK with because she was onto me more than anyone else. I feared Epignosis, so I killed him too.

i like how you use MPs reaosns and not my own. nice misrperesentation

You haven't answered my questions. You are bad. Who are your teammates?

ika wrote:

Matt wrote:After SW was lynched...

thellama73 wrote:I guess we can rule out Ika as being mafia, then, can't we?

Why? From what little I've seen of them, they pride themselves on being able to see right through each other, so ika NKing the Wolf would actually make sense so she doesn't catch on to him later.

and you would relaize i would never kill her as logn as she town reads me

AND FIANNLY NOT FUCKING SILENCED OMFG.......

Dom wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Indeed, ika insisted on killing Silver N1, which I was OK with because she was onto me more than anyone else. I feared Epignosis, so I killed him too.

i like how you use MPs reaosns and not my own. nice misrperesentation[/quote]
You haven't answered my questions. You are bad. Who are your teammates?[/quote]

if i was bad they would be me, myself and I

Epignosis wrote:

ika wrote:

Matt wrote:After SW was lynched...

thellama73 wrote:I guess we can rule out Ika as being mafia, then, can't we?

Why? From what little I've seen of them, they pride themselves on being able to see right through each other, so ika NKing the Wolf would actually make sense so she doesn't catch on to him later.

and you would relaize i would never kill her as logn as she town reads me

AND FIANNLY NOT FUCKING SILENCED OMFG.......

hint: she was null into scum reading me in the champ game

Everyone has cast a vote, so no one got shushed by the shusher.

I'm trying to walk through this timeline of events.

Thu Apr 14, 2016 5:49 pm, Silverwolf was killed Night 1 in Downton Abbey.

Mon Apr 18, 2016 10:01 am, the host of MCS announces that Silverwolf has been killed Night 1.

Mon Apr 18, 2016 9:47 pm, ika sends a PM to the host of MCS expressing guilt for killing Silverwolf.

As noted, ika didn't want to read the MCS thread out of guilt, and indeed stayed away for a stretch. Before that stretch, there was this exchange:

ika wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:

ika wrote:I'm on break but anyone who thinks I wouldn't kill silver n1 is being redoicolus.

So you did kill her.

If I was scum, yes that would be the case.

The contrast here is that, in Downton Abbey, Nerolunar said he did not think ika would kill his "anchor" Night 1. Given MCS, we now see that isn't the case. ika's claim is that he would not kill Silverwolf Night 1 Silverwolf thinks ika is good. Can we check this box?

Silverwolf wrote:I like daisy and ika for civ right now.

We can.

Regarding the avoidance of the thread, ika only had two posts Night 1, and after that was silenced, so it's difficult to make anything out about his thread activity after Silverwolf was killed. When he could speak, however, he did so with a measure of fervor.

In MCS, ika accused MP of killing Silverwolf. They were teammates, so if one wanted to take ika's reputation as a busser into consideration, we have the following:

ika wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Let me run this question by you, ika: Instead of telling Lord Grantham what he should have done, why not tell us who you think murdered Silverwolf? That would be the most helpful use of your time. I find it bizarre that I should even have to raise this question to you.

well im goign to look at her read and lynch the people she was supecting and go from there.

i knwo dfar was one of them so im starting there tommorw

daisy is a close second

ill have to read the rest of he reads

DFaraday wasn't bad. Spacedaisy wasn't bad. If we're looking for evidence of a bussing, we come up short.

As a whole, all of this suggests to me that the two Silverwolf Night 1 kills are a coincidence.

ika wrote:

Epignosis wrote:ika, did you kill Silverwolf?

go reach champs game and tell me what the answer is.

I'm changing my vote to ika.

Dom wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:There's just such little participation here, it's difficult to work out anybody's opinions. I vote and make a case and people follow that.

THIS is why civilians lose. It isn't because of mechanics (most of the time) and it isn't because of balance (most of the time).

It's because civilians don't try.

Try goddamnit.

You're so bad.

why

I will admit that this is the most un-Epi post that I've seen all game.

No it's not. This is definitely not the first time I've seen Epi express these exact sentiments. Unless you mean the "why" post, then I dunno.

I agree with some more looking at and discussing, so I'm in the midst of ISOing Dom a bit. Looking at his votes, they're . First vote to put BWT ahead of DF on Day 1, both Civs. Day 2, voted Illy and (Civ) Wilgy also voted her. Bubbles/bea was Civ-lynched. Day 3 votes for (nightkilled, likely Civ/Doctor) Spacedaisy while Lorab gets the most votes and DF is surprise lynched. Day 4 he votes Daisy over sig before the Wilgy train even got started.

Linki: Quite the ika story there, Epi. So, just to be clear, you believe that Silver reading ika as Civ makes ika a likely Civ?

Linki 2: MM

Oh yeah, and "in the midst" of ISOing Dom means in and out while cleaning the house and stuff. It's not completely imminent.

Long Con wrote:I agree with some more looking at and discussing, so I'm in the midst of ISOing Dom a bit. Looking at his votes, they're . First vote to put BWT ahead of DF on Day 1, both Civs. Day 2, voted Illy and (Civ) Wilgy also voted her. Bubbles/bea was Civ-lynched. Day 3 votes for (nightkilled, likely Civ/Doctor) Spacedaisy while Lorab gets the most votes and DF is surprise lynched. Day 4 he votes Daisy over sig before the Wilgy train even got started.

I don't think vote records will help much right now.

I just looked through them, and every player that has received more than 3 votes this game has been a confirmed civ (lynched) or most likely civ (nightkilled) with the only exception being Lorab. But her "save"that was switched to DFaraday was executed with a civilian power so even that non-lynch doesn't provide any insight.

My point is everyone has a terrible vote record to this point. But hey, if you think you can, feel free to prove me wrong.

Long Con wrote:Linki: Quite the ika story there, Epi. So, just to be clear, you believe that Silver reading ika as Civ makes ika a likely Civ?

I wouldn't put it like that. When comparing the ika-killing-Silverwolf in MCS and the somebody-killing-Silverwolf here, which happened in the span of a few days, I saw some distinct differences that give me the impression that ika didn't kill Silverwolf here.

Voted ika.

Sorry I've been gone most of the weekend. Busy stuff.

The results of the champs game came out and ika did in fact kill silver n1. This seems eerily similar.

I think Ika could've killed Silver, but I'm not sold. I really disliked Llama saying he was lock civ though.

sig wrote:I think Ika could've killed Silver, but I'm not sold. I really disliked Llama saying he was lock civ though.

I mean I just don't trust llama's reads at all this game anyway.

I also want to point out that the lowest posters are all voting for Nero right now. That makes me nervous that he is not bad- and his defense seems like a defeated civ

Scotty wrote:

sig wrote:I think Ika could've killed Silver, but I'm not sold. I really disliked Llama saying he was lock civ though.

I mean I just don't trust llama's reads at all this game anyway.

I am not sure I trust anyone's reads in this game, including my own. I am keeping my vote on Nero for now, the sudden Ika train makes me think we may be wrong about them both. I am going to re read and see iif something else sticks out.

I could have saved myself with just a vote. Damn Game of Thrones.

Day 5


Black Rock
0
No votes

Dom
0
No votes

Ika
5
sig (12), ika (13), Dom (14), Metalmarsh89 (19), Scotty (20)
25%

Illyria
0
No votes

Long Con
0
No votes

Lorab
0
No votes

Matt
0
No votes

Metalmarsh89
1
thellama73 (6)
5%

Nerolunar
6
Epignosis (3), Illyria (5), Black Rock (7), Long Con (8), Sorsha (10), LoRab (16)
30%

Scotty
0
No votes

sig
1
Matt (2)
5%

Sorsha
1
Nerolunar (18)
5%

thellama73
0
No votes

Dammit. Sorry Nero. I came to my senses too late.

I think ika should be next to go. And I think at least a couple of those on the Nero train should be heavily looked at over the next few cycles.
Starting to be more unsure about Epi. I thought at first he and Polo could have had BTSC but his cases have been...bad, to say the least.

RIP Nerolunar. I was actually going to switch my vote to you, but I didn't realize the lynch had already ended.

Epignosis wrote:There's just such little participation here, it's difficult to work out anybody's opinions. I vote and make a case and people follow that.

THIS is why civilians lose. It isn't because of mechanics (most of the time) and it isn't because of balance (most of the time).

It's because civilians don't try.

Try goddamnit.

This post sounds like someone who knows the person he is lynching is bad.

It sounds like someone who is capitalizing on a civ train and using it to make him seem like he is tryin his hardest when the train collapses

Nerolunar wrote:I could have saved myself with just a vote. Damn Game of Thrones.

This is the most hilariously awful thing I have seen in a while. Holy shit dude if you had been on not 5 minutes before...