The Syndicate

Posted: **Mon Jul 26, 2021 5:01 am**

lmao true

Posted: **Mon Jul 26, 2021 5:01 am**

so we voting hk yeah

[VOTE: hallowkat] aubergine

Posted: **Mon Jul 26, 2021 5:02 am**

Kami wrote: ↑Mon Jul 26, 2021 5:00 am
Transcend wrote: ↑Mon Jul 26, 2021 4:57 am
Kami wrote: ↑Mon Jul 26, 2021 4:54 am
Transcend wrote: ↑Mon Jul 26, 2021 4:53 am
Kami wrote: ↑Mon Jul 26, 2021 4:46 am Also tran's push on Made is outting too. Both alisonn and him use the excuse of "TMI" for wolf reading someone because they can't make up real reasons. It's literally a wolf tell.
Made did not TMI what so ever and it was obvious before he even flipped that reason was BULLSHIT.
I'm outed because I was wrong? Alison is outed because she was wrong? With your logic that means the other 6 ppl (including the homie that already died) are outed because they were wrong.

Please take a chill pill dude. You've literally been confbiased on the same four people since you walked into the game. I genuinely cannot take anything you say seriously.
No your outted because it's a fake read and a fake reason for scum reading him. It's literally a throw away phrase that means NOTHING, and it was only used by you to push a read you couldn't properly explain because you're a wolf who has to make reads up
Can't you just accept that we're two different ppl and our perceptions on different things might be different? What you may perceive wouldn't appear sus to me and vice versa.
But isn't that the basis of you and alisonn wolf reading me? My perception is TMI? lol

Do you want me to make my signature "I don't wolf-read Kami" so that in every post I make, you don't have to be paranoid about me "going out to get you"? You're twisting my words. Fucking stop.

Posted: **Mon Jul 26, 2021 5:03 am**

Transcend wrote: ↑Mon Jul 26, 2021 5:02 am
Kami wrote: ↑Mon Jul 26, 2021 5:00 am
Transcend wrote: ↑Mon Jul 26, 2021 4:57 am
Kami wrote: ↑Mon Jul 26, 2021 4:54 am
Transcend wrote: ↑Mon Jul 26, 2021 4:53 am
Kami wrote: ↑Mon Jul 26, 2021 4:46 am Also tran's push on Made is outting too. Both alisonn and him use the excuse of "TMI" for wolf reading someone because they can't make up real reasons. It's literally a wolf tell.
Made did not TMI what so ever and it was obvious before he even flipped that reason was BULLSHIT.
I'm outed because I was wrong? Alison is outed because she was wrong? With your logic that means the other 6 ppl (including the homie that already died) are outed because they were wrong.

Please take a chill pill dude. You've literally been confbiased on the same four people since you walked into the game. I genuinely cannot take anything you say seriously.
No your outted because it's a fake read and a fake reason for scum reading him. It's literally a throw away phrase that means NOTHING, and it was only used by you to push a read you couldn't properly explain because you're a wolf who has to make reads up
Can't you just accept that we're two different ppl and our perceptions on different things might be different? What you may perceive wouldn't appear sus to me and vice versa.
But isn't that the basis of you and alisonn wolf reading me? My perception is TMI? lol
Do you want me to make my signature "I don't wolf-read Kami" so that in every post I make, you don't have to be paranoid about me "going out to get you"? You're twisting my words. Fucking stop.

I'm not paranoid at all buddy I am chilling I caught the wolves

Posted: **Mon Jul 26, 2021 5:05 am**

I mean you're clearly paranoid about me when every other post you proclaim that Big Bad Doggo is about to end your career, when I've insisted on you being town pretty much since you started posting.

Posted: **Mon Jul 26, 2021 5:06 am**

In fact you cheated death yesterday and I made sure you weren't a target. Lmfao you're ridiculous.

Posted: **Mon Jul 26, 2021 5:06 am**

naw i'm not paranoid I'm just amazing at reading your intentions and I'm making sure everyone knows it

Posted: **Mon Jul 26, 2021 5:06 am**

Transcend wrote: ↑Mon Jul 26, 2021 5:06 am In fact you cheated death yesterday and I made sure you weren't a target. Lmfao you're ridiculous.

I wasn't even a top wagon bruh

Posted: **Mon Jul 26, 2021 5:07 am**

UR TRYING TO POCKET ME TBH LMAO

Posted: **Mon Jul 26, 2021 5:07 am**

What are my intentions Kami

What negative agenda do I have that's spiraling the village towards doomsday

Posted: **Mon Jul 26, 2021 5:08 am**

okay maybe ur right

Posted: **Mon Jul 26, 2021 5:09 am**

Kami wrote: ↑Mon Jul 26, 2021 5:07 am UR TRYING TO POCKET ME TBH LMAO

So i'm out to get u one minute and now u say i'm pocketing u

While I'm slightly attempting the latter just so that you'll shut up and actually be on the right track, everything you say about me changes on a dime.

Posted: **Mon Jul 26, 2021 5:11 am**

[VOTE: unvote] aubergine

Kami is just town here lmao.

Shit that makes me full of townreads

Posted: **Mon Jul 26, 2021 5:11 am**

Naw it's pretty obvious u were wishy washy on me after ur pocketing attempt was failing, which is obviously what I meant.
Nothing changed for you to say KAMI V to kami maybe not v

Posted: **Mon Jul 26, 2021 5:11 am**

Right I was supposed to go to bed

Good night to all my fellow villagers and even you scumfucks chugging beers left and right because you're being handed a free win cause village can't get their shit together.

Posted: **Mon Jul 26, 2021 5:11 am**

Alright getting food rn and then I shall do associative checks from D1. Beware my maps that look like madness.

Posted: **Mon Jul 26, 2021 5:12 am**

Goodnight Trans.

Posted: **Mon Jul 26, 2021 5:24 am**

Kami wrote: ↑Mon Jul 26, 2021 4:37 am We lose if you vote me pretty simple

this is my favorite post itt so far btw

Posted: **Mon Jul 26, 2021 5:27 am**

[VOTE: fingersplints] aubergine

Posted: **Mon Jul 26, 2021 5:31 am**

If Esooa is town it is probably correct to listen to her about Kami. If Esooa is scum she is most likely doing this to pocket Kami. In a world where Esooa is scum partners with Kami I think she would probably just put her vote on me and get me killed with suspicions from Syn and Epi since she enjoys trying to bury strong town early.

I am not ready to clear Kami yet but the point that her push on Transcend makes no sense as mafia is kinda correct. If she just wanted a bad tunnel to project fake stubbornness and deteriorate threadhealth she would have just focused on pushing me, not rope Transcend into the mix for no reason.

I weigh all this against my existing case on her. I am currently inclined towards a fingersplints exe.

Posted: **Mon Jul 26, 2021 5:32 am**

@Kami Why are you spending all your time casing me and Transcend and voting HK though?

Posted: **Mon Jul 26, 2021 5:33 am**

Kami wrote: ↑Mon Jul 26, 2021 4:56 am She hasn't made a case other than "TMI LOL"

I listed like five reasons why I suspected you.

Posted: **Mon Jul 26, 2021 5:34 am**

I don't see any hk posts to interact with?
And trans/you are most likely not going to be wagoned anyays

Posted: **Mon Jul 26, 2021 5:35 am**

tbh that's not wolfy of her, if you look at the last day of Nuremberg she spent all day phase pushing a town and then in the end she was like "alright gonna vote this guy now" after not talking about him for a while

don't mean to step in her but, it's weird but not scummy imo.

Posted: **Mon Jul 26, 2021 5:35 am**

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Jul 26, 2021 5:35 am tbh that's not wolfy of her, if you look at the last day of Nuremberg she spent all day phase pushing a town and then in the end she was like "alright gonna vote this other guy now" after not talking about him for a while, who was actually the wolf lol

don't mean to step in her but, it's weird but not scummy imo.

added clarification

Posted: **Mon Jul 26, 2021 5:37 am**

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Jul 26, 2021 5:35 am tbh that's not wolfy of her, if you look at the last day of Nuremberg she spent all day phase pushing a town and then in the end she was like "alright gonna vote this guy now" after not talking about him for a while

don't mean to step in her but, it's weird but not scummy imo.

LMAO true

Posted: **Mon Jul 26, 2021 5:37 am**

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Jul 26, 2021 5:33 am
Kami wrote: ↑Mon Jul 26, 2021 4:56 am She hasn't made a case other than "TMI LOL"
I listed like five reasons why I suspected you.

Not really tho

Posted: **Mon Jul 26, 2021 5:38 am**

also finger is town

Posted: **Mon Jul 26, 2021 5:42 am**

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Jul 26, 2021 5:35 am tbh that's not wolfy of her, if you look at the last day of Nuremberg she spent all day phase pushing a town and then in the end she was like "alright gonna vote this guy now" after not talking about him for a while

don't mean to step in her but, it's weird but not scummy imo.

ok

Posted: **Mon Jul 26, 2021 5:44 am**

If we entertain a world where Kami is town it's probably HK which means it's probably also Epi for hard tunnelling splints to divert early pressure from HK.

But I am not yet convinced that is the most likely world.

Posted: **Mon Jul 26, 2021 5:46 am**

Esooa is probably cleared in a Kami town world because an Alison/Kami V/V tdome would be extremely destructive to town and I think wolf Esooa would never try to break it up as hard as she has. She would either ignore it and let the two of us self destruct or she would take one side and just bury the other and laugh about burying a strong town in wolf chat.

Syn remains a prime suspect either way.

Posted: **Mon Jul 26, 2021 5:47 am**

Which makes it interesting that Rondo is silently voteparking Syn because Rondo is another one of my suspects.

@RondoDimBuckle Talk to me about your read on Syn please.

Posted: **Mon Jul 26, 2021 5:48 am**

I don't think it's syn

Posted: **Mon Jul 26, 2021 5:49 am**

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Jul 26, 2021 5:48 am I don't think it's syn

Why not

Also who do you think it is other than HK then

Posted: **Mon Jul 26, 2021 5:50 am**

I just don't, I need to sleep soon lol maybe in the morning

Posted: **Mon Jul 26, 2021 5:59 am**

I should sleep soon too probably

Posted: **Mon Jul 26, 2021 6:03 am**

fingersplints wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 3:59 am
Transcend wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:25 pm bradley ur vote is probably valid but doggy thinks that falcon is likely town

(there's my tmi read of the game enjoy)
Who is “Bradley”?
And “doggy” is Transcend?

fingersplints wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 4:30 am
Transcend wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 1:49 am shrug maybe so

but why is epi being such a contrarian

is this typical behavior of him to be like "hurr durr this dude is scum but im not gonna tell u why"?
Absolutely normal for Epi

Not w/w Transcend and Fingersplints

Posted: **Mon Jul 26, 2021 6:06 am**

fingersplints wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 11:59 am
Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 11:02 am
fingersplints wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 4:55 am I’m finished reading now. Still need some time to think, but immediate reactions are

I think Seanzie vs Epi is probably town vs town. Just a feeling if one of them was a wolf they would have moved on or let it go sooner or something.

I’ve never played with Transcend before, but I think they come off all right so far.

I think I see some of what I associate with town Alison. Not enough to defend or vote to save or anything at this point, but I think she’s ok for now.

I’ve seen some decent points made about Made but at least one I disagree with ( the posts about him conveniently returning to the thread as if scum buddies told them to get in. That’s almost never actually the case. People just post when they want to) did I read correctly he had 6 votes at one point though? That seems a lot for this early.

EnderWiggin seems very different then the last game I played with him when he was town. Just something I’m watching.

I’m trying to remember if there was anything else but my kids demanding attention
1) Why? Wolves love getting sucked into unproductive fights that spiral into a dozen-page-long horror show and make the rest of the town unable to do any real solving. I'm scumreading neither Seanzie nor Epi, but this is an odd reason to call their fight TvT.

2) What do you make of that?
1. Depends on the person if they would love that as a wolf. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a wolf Seanzie before, and tbh I wouldn’t say it’s out of the possibility for a wolf Epi to act in this manner, but just seems more likely to be town to me based on tone. Back to Seanzie, he seemed frustrated at Epi’s stubbornness at times but the questioning still seemed like he was still genuinely trying to solve.

2. If the 6 votes had stayed longer, it would have made me feel like perhaps Made was just an easy target for wolves. But I’m wondering if there is any merit to the points and if some were just scum buddies getting in early votes in case he flipped but then moved away when the suspicion died down. TBD

fingersplints wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 12:19 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 12:13 pm
fingersplints wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 11:59 am 1. Depends on the person if they would love that as a wolf. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a wolf Seanzie before, and tbh I wouldn’t say it’s out of the possibility for a wolf Epi to act in this manner, but just seems more likely to be town to me based on tone. Back to Seanzie, he seemed frustrated at Epi’s stubbornness at times but the questioning still seemed like he was still genuinely trying to solve.

2. If the 6 votes had stayed longer, it would have made me feel like perhaps Made was just an easy target for wolves. But I’m wondering if there is any merit to the points and if some were just scum buddies getting in early votes in case he flipped but then moved away when the suspicion died down. TBD
1) It sounds like you're changing your story then. You say that Epi vs Seanzie is TvT, because a wolf would have broken it off earlier. But then you say that you don't know either of them well enough to say that they would definitely break it off as a wolf (and admit that it's well within Epi's scumrange), and the real reason they are TvT is that Seanzie's frustration is genuine.

What about Epi? You say that it's well within the realms of possibility for a wolf Epi to hold onto the argument, so what makes you certain his side of it is T?

2) Would you say you have a firm scumread on Made now?
Not changing my story. Just elaborating on my mentality. I absolutely know Epi quite well, and I’m not “certain” of anything. I’m basing my feeling on him here from having seen him be voted off early quite regularly as town for similar behaviour.

2. I don’t have a firm scumread on anyone at this point. I might lean scum there. Firm, no

Probably not w/w with Alison either

Posted: **Mon Jul 26, 2021 6:07 am**

fingersplints wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 12:26 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 12:23 pm
fingersplints wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 12:21 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 12:06 pm @fingersplints why are you voting Rondo?
Because of their long fluffed up posts just repeating what’s been going on in the thread, haven’t engaged much more since being called out on it, and now this secretive vote flopping around.

Not sure it’s 100% where my vote will stay, but it’s getting to be EOD and since I hadn’t voted yet it was getting a pain to click on the view votes thing to see who was voting who.
First forum mafia game, no fun allowed
Fun is allowed, but it’s a matter of finding the balance between fun and actually solving.
There was a time when “first forum game” would have meant I absolutely wouldn’t have voted there, but times have changed.

fingersplints wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 12:29 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 12:26 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 12:25 pm
fingersplints wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 12:21 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 12:06 pm @fingersplints why are you voting Rondo?
Because of their long fluffed up posts just repeating what’s been going on in the thread, haven’t engaged much more since being called out on it, and now this secretive vote flopping around.

Not sure it’s 100% where my vote will stay, but it’s getting to be EOD and since I hadn’t voted yet it was getting a pain to click on the view votes thing to see who was voting who.
thanks, makes sense.
What gives me pause there is I've seen people with that style of engagement be town, but yeah, it's a great way to hide as a wolf b/c you look busy
Also cant be bothered checking who it was but I am pretty sure it was fingers asking for a recap for when they came back
Nope, never asked for a recap

fingersplints wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 12:36 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 12:32 pm
fingersplints wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 12:31 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 12:25 pm
fingersplints wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 12:21 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 12:06 pm @fingersplints why are you voting Rondo?
Because of their long fluffed up posts just repeating what’s been going on in the thread, haven’t engaged much more since being called out on it, and now this secretive vote flopping around.

Not sure it’s 100% where my vote will stay, but it’s getting to be EOD and since I hadn’t voted yet it was getting a pain to click on the view votes thing to see who was voting who.
thanks, makes sense.
What gives me pause there is I've seen people with that style of engagement be town, but yeah, it's a great way to hide as a wolf b/c you look busy
This gives me pause as well, especially being new to forum mafia, but if anything vote might apply pressure to start offering more contributions of their own thoughts.
not really, if Im out, Im out. Move on to the next game
You aren’t out yet though?

fingersplints wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 1:28 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 1:26 pm Something that doesnt sit well with me is that Trancend keeps towncoreing themselves. Is that a normal thing?
If you are town, then you would know you are town.
I’m not sure why it doesn’t sit well with you. Can you elaborate

fingersplints wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 1:33 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 1:31 pm
Syn wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 1:31 pm of course someone will call themselves town

?????
IMHO its not up to you to call yourself town. Its up to the group. If you town yourself it is the same as saying "I am not a wolf" 0% useful
But you are talking about where they are posting their own personal list of suspects, right? It’s not a list of what the group thinks

fingersplints wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 1:49 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 1:46 pm
fingersplints wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 1:45 pm
Made wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 1:44 pm Splints vote is kinda sus tbh. where was Fingersplints vote before?
On Rondo, but then you voted me and both you and Rondo seemed to be trying to attribute things to me that I did not say. And the vote was tied
I already addressed that
Still feels like you are both trying to drum up suspicion/votes for me as it can be an easy target without voicing much accusations there yourself.

Rondo/Finger absolutely not w/w

Posted: **Mon Jul 26, 2021 6:09 am**

The other interactions could be, so Fingers is only ruled out of w/w with Rondo/Transcend/Alison

Posted: **Mon Jul 26, 2021 6:12 am**

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 11:27 am I am interested in why the sudden aggression on Kami who previously read as a soft safe read and now you believe is so hard corrupt that you are willing to vote? If we are to follow your reads you believe seven people are against us. Made, Not, Myself, HollowKatt, Fingersplints, Epignosis. The odds that you have misread the situation are high when there are only four of us we need to keep an eye out for? Assume of course we ommit the fact that you could be one of them as well. Bringing us up to eight.

EBWOP - This section for @Kami

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 11:28 am
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 11:27 am I am interested in why the sudden aggression on Kami who previously read as a soft safe read and now you believe is so hard corrupt that you are willing to vote? If we are to follow your reads you believe seven people are against us. Made, Not, Myself, HollowKatt, Fingersplints, Epignosis. The odds that you have misread the situation are high when there are only four of us we need to keep an eye out for? Assume of course we ommit the fact that you could be one of them as well. Bringing us up to eight.

EBWOP - This section for Kami
Strike that, reverse it @Esooa

Heading to bed soon

Rondo probably not scum with either Esooa or Kami.

Other Esooa interactions definitely suggest not w/w.

Posted: **Mon Jul 26, 2021 6:22 am**

Spoiler: show

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:20 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:14 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 9:59 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 9:57 pm
Made wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 9:56 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 9:54 pm Essoa claims Joker, I'm Scarecrow, Made is Talia al Guhl...
Where are you going with this?
I've already theorized that the Town is Batman's Rogue Gallery and Maf are from the Bat Family....so that's where I'm going with it
The OP explains the rand, how there are fakeclaims, and characters are in no way tied to alignment.

You're doing busywork to look busy.
How often does that work out in your experience?

How often does what work out? Randing characters? Well, unless if you want to get into a debate about what we mean by a "random" sample, unless you believe Nook is lying, I'd say it works out quite well.

If you're talking about Falcon, I believe that pressuring my scumreads also works well. There is always the chance of accidentally tunneling, but applying pressure is a great way to generate more information that I can then reform stronger reads based on.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:33 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:23 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:20 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:14 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 9:59 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 9:57 pm
Made wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 9:56 pm

Where are you going with this?
I've already theorized that the Town is Batman's Rogue Gallery and Maf are from the Bat Family....so that's where I'm going with it
The OP explains the rand, how there are fakeclaims, and characters are in no way tied to alignment.

You're doing busywork to look busy.
How often does that work out in your experience?

How often does what work out? Randing characters? Well, unless if you want to get into a debate about what we mean by a "random" sample, unless you believe Nook is lying, I'd say it works out quite well.

If you're talking about Falcon, I believe that pressuring my scumreads also works well. There is always the chance of accidentally tunneling, but applying pressure is a great way to generate more information that I can then reform stronger reads based on.

"You're doing busywork to look busy."

In my book, that's an accusation. A civilian has no need to look busy. Therefore you are accusing falcon of being duplicitous.

I asked you how often does "doing busywork to look busy" work for mafia members in your experience.
I mean, if they're doing it right, I probably don't notice. If they're doing it wrong, it can be outing. So it has a myriad of results depending on the strength of the player, the situation, the strength of the town, and some random chance.

You haven't outwardly taken a stance on my take yet, but it seems likely that you disagree with me about Falcon. If so, I think you are maybe making two mistakes,

1.) A better question to ask than "how well does this work for wolves?" is "how often do wolves do this?" Those are very different questions, and things like "busywork" and "IIOA" didn't become buzzwords in mafia for no reason.

2.) Pressure can be applied to weak reads. Do I think Falcon doing some busywork guarantees that Falcon is a wolf? no. But can I develop my read on Falcon based on how they react to me pressuring them about their posts looking like busywork? yes. Not all accusations are meant to be the end of the conversation, many (especially early game) are meant to push the game forward in a positive way.

So, now that that is over, please take a stance. What do you think of Falcon and his busywork?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:36 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:35 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:33 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:23 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:20 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:14 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 9:59 pm

The OP explains the rand, how there are fakeclaims, and characters are in no way tied to alignment.

You're doing busywork to look busy.
How often does that work out in your experience?

How often does what work out? Randing characters? Well, unless if you want to get into a debate about what we mean by a "random" sample, unless you believe Nook is lying, I'd say it works out quite well.

If you're talking about Falcon, I believe that pressuring my scumreads also works well. There is always the chance of accidentally tunneling, but applying pressure is a great way to generate more information that I can then reform stronger reads based on.

"You're doing busywork to look busy."

In my book, that's an accusation. A civilian has no need to look busy. Therefore you are accusing falcon of being duplicitous.

I asked you how often does "doing busywork to look busy" work for mafia members in your experience.
I mean, if they're doing it right, I probably don't notice. If they're doing it wrong, it can be outing. So it has a myriad of results depending on the strength of the player, the situation, the strength of the town, and some random chance.

You haven't outwardly taken a stance on my take yet, but it seems likely that you disagree with me about Falcon. If so, I think you are maybe making two mistakes,

1.) A better question to ask than "how well does this work for wolves?" is "how often do wolves do this?" Those are very different questions, and things like "busywork" and "IIOA" didn't become buzzwords in mafia for no reason.

2.) Pressure can be applied to weak reads. Do I think Falcon doing some busywork guarantees that Falcon is a wolf? no. But can I develop my read on Falcon based on how they react to me pressuring them about their posts looking like busywork? yes. Not all accusations are meant to be the end of the conversation, many (especially early game) are meant to push the game forward in a positive way.

So, now that that is over, please take a stance. What do you think of Falcon and his busywork?
Loaded question.

My vote on you stands.
I'd still like to hear your thoughts about Falcon. Unload the question however you want, you should take a stance there.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:38 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:37 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:36 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:35 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:33 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:23 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:20 pm

How often does what work out? Randing characters? Well, unless if you want to get into a debate about what we mean by a "random" sample, unless you believe Nook is lying, I'd say it works out quite well.

If you're talking about Falcon, I believe that pressuring my scumreads also works well. There is always the chance of accidentally tunneling, but applying pressure is a great way to generate more information that I can then reform stronger reads based on.

"You're doing busywork to look busy."

In my book, that's an accusation. A civilian has no need to look busy. Therefore you are accusing falcon of being duplicitous.

I asked you how often does "doing busywork to look busy" work for mafia members in your experience.
I mean, if they're doing it right, I probably don't notice. If they're doing it wrong, it can be outing. So it has a myriad of results depending on the strength of the player, the situation, the strength of the town, and some random chance.

You haven't outwardly taken a stance on my take yet, but it seems likely that you disagree with me about Falcon. If so, I think you are maybe making two mistakes,

1.) A better question to ask than "how well does this work for wolves?" is "how often do wolves do this?" Those are very different questions, and things like "busywork" and "IIOA" didn't become buzzwords in mafia for no reason.

2.) Pressure can be applied to weak reads. Do I think Falcon doing some busywork guarantees that Falcon is a wolf? no. But can I develop my read on Falcon based on how they react to me pressuring them about their posts looking like busywork? yes. Not all accusations are meant to be the end of the conversation, many (especially early game) are meant to push the game forward in a positive way.

So, now that that is over, please take a stance. What do you think of Falcon and his busywork?
Loaded question.

My vote on you stands.
I'd still like to hear your thoughts about Falcon. Unload the question however you want, you should take a stance there.
I'll take a stance on falcon when I feel like it.

I have a stance on you.
Humor me, please. Can you take a look at Falcon's ISO and give me a quick read?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:43 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:40 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:37 pm This is fun, the number of people willing to poke a fight with me here makes me think I'm onto something. Probably not everything, but something.
You have 25 posts and this is the beginning of a Mafia game on a very vocal site. Don't please yourself on that basis.
25 out of ~250. Even if you think I am possibly a wolf, I don't see the point of this post, discouraging me from scumhunting?

Either way, since you're being stubborn, I will ISO Made and let you know my thoughts (even though I've already given some) so you can FINALLY talk about Falcon (whom you've been defending - on purpose? Inadvertently? who knows? Nook.)...

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:50 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:39 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:38 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:37 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:36 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:35 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:33 pm

I mean, if they're doing it right, I probably don't notice. If they're doing it wrong, it can be outing. So it has a myriad of results depending on the strength of the player, the situation, the strength of the town, and some random chance.

You haven't outwardly taken a stance on my take yet, but it seems likely that you disagree with me about Falcon. If so, I think you are maybe making two mistakes,

1.) A better question to ask than "how well does this work for wolves?" is "how often do wolves do this?" Those are very different questions, and things like "busywork" and "IIOA" didn't become buzzwords in mafia for no reason.

2.) Pressure can be applied to weak reads. Do I think Falcon doing some busywork guarantees that Falcon is a wolf? no. But can I develop my read on Falcon based on how they react to me pressuring them about their posts looking like busywork? yes. Not all accusations are meant to be the end of the conversation, many (especially early game) are meant to push the game forward in a positive way.

So, now that that is over, please take a stance. What do you think of Falcon and his busywork?
Loaded question.

My vote on you stands.
I'd still like to hear your thoughts about Falcon. Unload the question however you want, you should take a stance there.
I'll take a stance on falcon when I feel like it.

I have a stance on you.
Humor me, please. Can you take a look at Falcon's ISO and give me a quick read?
I will if you will do likewise for Made.
I looked at Made. They had a few good pokes in the first few posts, but I really didn't like them trying to set themselves up as anti-teamed with Falcon. I agreed with Made that Falcon's comparison of my read on Esooa vs Made's read on me being an inaccurate comparison, but I think Made and Falcon's interactions have been awkward enough that I don't rule them out as s/s. Made made a comment about me vs Esooa that really pinged me though, and I haven't heard a response from him yet about my followup, which is troubling. They say they are mindmelding with me, but I'd like to actually see their thought patterns that are leading them to the same conclusions I am getting to, rather than them just saying "same". I have stronger scumreads, but Made is probably on the scum-side of things if I had to make a GTH list.

Now you.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:53 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:46 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:43 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:40 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:37 pm This is fun, the number of people willing to poke a fight with me here makes me think I'm onto something. Probably not everything, but something.
You have 25 posts and this is the beginning of a Mafia game on a very vocal site. Don't please yourself on that basis.
25 out of ~250. Even if you think I am possibly a wolf, I don't see the point of this post, discouraging me from scumhunting?

Either way, since you're being stubborn, I will ISO Made and let you know my thoughts (even though I've already given some) so you can FINALLY talk about Falcon (whom you've been defending - on purpose? Inadvertently? who knows? Nook.)...
I don't care how many posts you have. My point was that in a Mafia game, if you have ten percent of the posts (your figure), you're going to get people pushing back at you. You said that made you think you are on to something.

What is that something?

No, I don't suspect falcon. Why does falcon have three votes and are they worthy votes?
If you want to talk to me and demand things of me, please do more. All of my responses to you have been more than generous in content. I can't say the same here. It almost feels like you're trying to play opposite to how you did in Bike. Equal exchange, my friend. Equal exchange.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:03 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:59 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:50 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:39 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:38 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:37 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:36 pm

I'd still like to hear your thoughts about Falcon. Unload the question however you want, you should take a stance there.
I'll take a stance on falcon when I feel like it.

I have a stance on you.
Humor me, please. Can you take a look at Falcon's ISO and give me a quick read?
I will if you will do likewise for Made.
I looked at Made. They had a few good pokes in the first few posts, but I really didn't like them trying to set themselves up as anti-teamed with Falcon. I agreed with Made that Falcon's comparison of my read on Esooa vs Made's read on me being an inaccurate comparison, but I think Made and Falcon's interactions have been awkward enough that I don't rule them out as s/s. Made made a comment about me vs Esooa that really pinged me though, and I haven't heard a response from him yet about my followup, which is troubling. They say they are mindmelding with me, but I'd like to actually see their thought patterns that are leading them to the same conclusions I am getting to, rather than them just saying "same". I have stronger scumreads, but Made is probably on the scum-side of things if I had to make a GTH list.

Now you.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 6:21 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 6:15 pmI'm Batman.
Cool.

[VOTE: Epi] aubergine
Fine.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 6:21 pm I'm town! And I'm def not Batman
Fine.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 7:01 pm
Syn wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 6:59 pm I think we should sleep. Need more info.
Hmmmmmm
I don't care about this.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 7:21 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 7:12 pm 3 posts from Falcon and they all look bad so far.
Have you ever made an accurate read of me?

Survey says! Nope
I don't know who Lime Coke is.

Sorry if that fucked up another joke, but I don't.

In the interest of my own time and care, I'm skipping some.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 7:29 pm
Transcend wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 7:28 pm
Syn wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 6:59 pm11 v 4 is rough.
Wtf that's def imba

Syn wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 6:59 pm I think we should sleep. Need more info.
A sound strategy I must say. By sleeping, we have a 0% chance of accidentally misyeeting a villager.

[VOTE: sleep] aubergine
Accidentally misyeet? Do we ever intentionally misyeet a villager?

[VOTE: Transcend] aubergine
I laughed. This is a great post. One I would have made had I been on my game and actually said shit like "misyeeting."

Seanzie, can we make this faster? What posts do you take issue with? I'll address those.

Right now I think falcon is fine.
No. I'm not asking you to do this to get a read on Falcon, but to get a read on you. Read Falcon's ISO and show me some nuance of thought.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:09 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:05 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:03 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:59 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:50 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:39 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:38 pm

Humor me, please. Can you take a look at Falcon's ISO and give me a quick read?
I will if you will do likewise for Made.
I looked at Made. They had a few good pokes in the first few posts, but I really didn't like them trying to set themselves up as anti-teamed with Falcon. I agreed with Made that Falcon's comparison of my read on Esooa vs Made's read on me being an inaccurate comparison, but I think Made and Falcon's interactions have been awkward enough that I don't rule them out as s/s. Made made a comment about me vs Esooa that really pinged me though, and I haven't heard a response from him yet about my followup, which is troubling. They say they are mindmelding with me, but I'd like to actually see their thought patterns that are leading them to the same conclusions I am getting to, rather than them just saying "same". I have stronger scumreads, but Made is probably on the scum-side of things if I had to make a GTH list.

Now you.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 6:21 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 6:15 pmI'm Batman.
Cool.

[VOTE: Epi] aubergine
Fine.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 6:21 pm I'm town! And I'm def not Batman
Fine.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 7:01 pm
Syn wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 6:59 pm I think we should sleep. Need more info.
Hmmmmmm
I don't care about this.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 7:21 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 7:12 pm 3 posts from Falcon and they all look bad so far.
Have you ever made an accurate read of me?

Survey says! Nope
I don't know who Lime Coke is.

Sorry if that fucked up another joke, but I don't.

In the interest of my own time and care, I'm skipping some.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 7:29 pm
Transcend wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 7:28 pm
Syn wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 6:59 pm11 v 4 is rough.
Wtf that's def imba

Syn wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 6:59 pm I think we should sleep. Need more info.
A sound strategy I must say. By sleeping, we have a 0% chance of accidentally misyeeting a villager.

[VOTE: sleep] aubergine
Accidentally misyeet? Do we ever intentionally misyeet a villager?

[VOTE: Transcend] aubergine
I laughed. This is a great post. One I would have made had I been on my game and actually said shit like "misyeeting."

Seanzie, can we make this faster? What posts do you take issue with? I'll address those.

Right now I think falcon is fine.
No. I'm not asking you to do this to get a read on Falcon, but to get a read on you. Read Falcon's ISO and show me some nuance of thought.
I've read it three times. I don't suspect falcon.
I don't care about your final take (well, I do, but that is only one piece of the whole picture).

Tell me about Falcon, what is good? what is bad? Even if you don't suspect him, there are things that must be at least mildly concerning, and then there must be things that are towny that override these things. I'm not asking for a lot here. Just a little bit of analysis so I can get a sense of you.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:36 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:35 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:32 pm Uhh, can we not hammer 5 hours into the day?

Also [VOTE: Epi] aubergine

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:50 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:39 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:38 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:37 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:36 pm

I'd still like to hear your thoughts about Falcon. Unload the question however you want, you should take a stance there.
I'll take a stance on falcon when I feel like it.

I have a stance on you.
Humor me, please. Can you take a look at Falcon's ISO and give me a quick read?
I will if you will do likewise for Made.
I looked at Made. They had a few good pokes in the first few posts, but I really didn't like them trying to set themselves up as anti-teamed with Falcon. I agreed with Made that Falcon's comparison of my read on Esooa vs Made's read on me being an inaccurate comparison, but I think Made and Falcon's interactions have been awkward enough that I don't rule them out as s/s. Made made a comment about me vs Esooa that really pinged me though, and I haven't heard a response from him yet about my followup, which is troubling. They say they are mindmelding with me, but I'd like to actually see their thought patterns that are leading them to the same conclusions I am getting to, rather than them just saying "same". I have stronger scumreads, but Made is probably on the scum-side of things if I had to make a GTH list.

Now you.
Noncommittal trash.
Or... you're scum

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 12:10 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:59 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:57 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:44 pm I'd like people to talk about Seanzie's treatment of me regardless of my alignment.
My eyes glaze over whenever I read the posts of you two talking to each other.

I think you're both just argumentative boomers and are doing your argumentative boomer thing. I don't find Seanzie's treatment of you particularly scummy if that's what you're fishing for.
My parents are boomers. Get lost, Millennial.
My parents are gen-X-ers. I do not refute the claim of being argumentative though.

That being said, I pissed Epi off pretty badly last time he was scum (I think?), and I wouldn't be surprised he if wants revenge this time that he is scum.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 12:17 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 12:12 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 12:10 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:59 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:57 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:44 pm I'd like people to talk about Seanzie's treatment of me regardless of my alignment.
My eyes glaze over whenever I read the posts of you two talking to each other.

I think you're both just argumentative boomers and are doing your argumentative boomer thing. I don't find Seanzie's treatment of you particularly scummy if that's what you're fishing for.
My parents are boomers. Get lost, Millennial.
My parents are gen-X-ers. I do not refute the claim of being argumentative though.

That being said, I pissed Epi off pretty badly last time he was scum (I think?), and I wouldn't be surprised he if wants revenge this time that he is scum.
Did you? You think I lose my temper over a game on the Internet?
I did. Lose your temper? no, probably not. Be pissed off because you lose? yes. Hold a grudge? well, we'll see.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 12:55 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 12:50 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 12:49 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 12:47 am [VOTE: Lime Coke] aubergine

Used to have a rule that I don't vote new people on their first visit here.

Used to.
This is not Lime's first visit here. Can you explain your vote?
No.
Thanks for the help.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 1:00 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 12:58 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 12:55 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 12:50 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 12:49 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 12:47 am [VOTE: Lime Coke] aubergine

Used to have a rule that I don't vote new people on their first visit here.

Used to.
This is not Lime's first visit here. Can you explain your vote?
No.
Thanks for the help.

Do you think @Transcend is mafia and trying to pocket me? why or why not?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 1:25 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 1:03 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 1:00 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 12:58 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 12:55 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 12:50 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 12:49 am

This is not Lime's first visit here. Can you explain your vote?
No.
Thanks for the help.

Do you think @Transcend is mafia and trying to pocket me? why or why not?
No, I don't think Transcend is mafia.

Does that mean I get to skip the secondary questions?
Do you have any depth of thought?

I am confident saying Seanzie/Epi aren't w/w

Posted: **Mon Jul 26, 2021 6:27 am**

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 6:04 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 5:44 pm Apologies to those of you who have rightly insisted that I have said very little while also saying quite a lot. It was necessary to stave off the wolves (Or Bats?) lurking at the threshold due to my lack of communication. However I am happy to announce that yours truly has managed to read through all missives provided so far.

Now I will not bore your most regal selves by re-treading common ground and provide to you a list I have prepared most secretly. By watching you all interact and taking in to account the majority of our collective is one with pure purpose. I will not expound in great detail as to why I have come to the conclusions that I have, but know this. They are not taken lightly. That said all stances are only temporary and liable to change as to be most honest I am unfamiliar with you all. With that in mind I ask you all to take in my list and when you have time, cast your eyes back over my previous missives and read the first letters of each paragraph. Ever watchful - Rondo Dim Buckle.

Name---------Score-----AI+---------------AI-
Alison----------8-------6 Positive------1 Negative
Lime Coke-------6-------4 Positive------1 Negative
Seanzie---------6-------6 Positive------2 Negative
Trancend--------4-------5 Positive------2 Negative
Ender Wiggin----2-------1 Positive------0 Negative
RondoDimBuckle--2-------2 Positive------1 Negative
Epignosis-------1-------2 Positive------3 Negative
Esooa----------=-1------2 Positive------2 Negative
Syn------------=-1------2 Positive -----2 Negative
Hollowkatt-----=-4------1 Positive------3 Negative
Kami-----------=-4------1 Positive------3 Negative
Falcon45ca-----=-5------3 Positive------5 Negative
Fingersplints--=-6------0 Positive------3 Negative
Made-----------=-12-----3 Positive------8 Negative
Notanaxehole---=-130----No Posts--------No Posts
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whatever it is you're trying to say just say it lol

This reaction alone makes HK/Rondo not a thing I think.

Posted: **Mon Jul 26, 2021 6:35 am**

Kinda want to say not HK/Transcend either but that's not backed up so I'm not locking that in.

Posted: **Mon Jul 26, 2021 6:36 am**

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Jul 26, 2021 6:03 am
fingersplints wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 3:59 am
Transcend wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:25 pm bradley ur vote is probably valid but doggy thinks that falcon is likely town

(there's my tmi read of the game enjoy)
Who is “Bradley”?
And “doggy” is Transcend?

fingersplints wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 4:30 am
Transcend wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 1:49 am shrug maybe so

but why is epi being such a contrarian

is this typical behavior of him to be like "hurr durr this dude is scum but im not gonna tell u why"?
Absolutely normal for Epi
Not w/w Transcend and Fingersplints

first post I don't see as unpartnered

second is alright

Posted: **Mon Jul 26, 2021 6:38 am**

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Jul 26, 2021 6:36 am
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Jul 26, 2021 6:03 am
fingersplints wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 3:59 am
Transcend wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:25 pm bradley ur vote is probably valid but doggy thinks that falcon is likely town

(there's my tmi read of the game enjoy)
Who is “Bradley”?
And “doggy” is Transcend?

fingersplints wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 4:30 am
Transcend wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 1:49 am shrug maybe so

but why is epi being such a contrarian

is this typical behavior of him to be like "hurr durr this dude is scum but im not gonna tell u why"?
Absolutely normal for Epi
Not w/w Transcend and Fingersplints
first post I don't see as unpartnered

second is alright

It's kinda more that both happened in short-ish order.

Posted: **Mon Jul 26, 2021 6:39 am**

Surprised by how low posting Alison is.

Posted: **Mon Jul 26, 2021 6:39 am**

I'm too tired to read rn

Posted: **Mon Jul 26, 2021 6:40 am**

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Jul 26, 2021 6:39 am Surprised by how low posting Alison is.

eh, probably not meaningful unless you can think there's game state reasons wolf Alison would intentionally do that

I don't see any rn

Posted: **Mon Jul 26, 2021 6:42 am**

ender did you start doing these cause I said they were useful lol or was it already a thing, just wondering

The Syndicate

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