The Syndicate

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 9:45 pm Like if he was a wolf I think he would try to come up with a more better and logical reason than to call me cute and cuddly as a reason to push me

Mafia usually want their logic to seem more “reasonable” and agreeable.

What's your reason to vote me?

Tsp isn’t playing like how I’d imagine a clear with a potential wolf to be playing rn

That might be why the poe is making me uneasy

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 9:45 pm Like if he was a wolf I think he would try to come up with a more better and logical reason than to call me cute and cuddly as a reason to push me

Mafia usually want their logic to seem more “reasonable” and agreeable.

This is a valid point, but to counter it: when falcon has a meta of being contrarian/contesting everyone, I think he is less likely to give a crap about this sort of thing as mafia.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 9:47 pm

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 9:45 pm Like if he was a wolf I think he would try to come up with a more better and logical reason than to call me cute and cuddly as a reason to push me

Mafia usually want their logic to seem more “reasonable” and agreeable.

What's your reason to vote me?

Honestly it still goes back to my d1 ping of you and the way you handled my slot. Like when you called it dangerous for you to townlean me even though u didn’t say the same about other slots that are equally as dangerous felt odd to me. Like you’ve found me as town pretty consistently in recent times so I feel like town!you would be confident with your ability to read me by now

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 9:48 pm

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 9:45 pm Like if he was a wolf I think he would try to come up with a more better and logical reason than to call me cute and cuddly as a reason to push me

Mafia usually want their logic to seem more “reasonable” and agreeable.

This is a valid point, but to counter it: when falcon has a meta of being contrarian/contesting everyone, I think he is less likely to give a crap about this sort of thing as mafia.

Okay thanks for that, back in the poe he goes lol

It would certainly make my life easier if he’s a wolf

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 9:47 pm Tsp isn’t playing like how I’d imagine a clear with a potential wolf to be playing rn

That might be why the poe is making me uneasy

Understandable.

Tony’s M.O. is to do exactly his own thing, so I’m inclined to just wait and see what he does. If he isn’t counter-claimed he’s also mechanically solid.

Lime Coke I have two candidate mafia teams and you’re on both of them.

What gives?

Lime Coke I have two candidate mafia teams and you’re on both of them.

What gives?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:01 pm Lime Coke I have two candidate mafia teams and you’re on both of them.

What gives?

It's understandable because I've no showed the past day and a half. I'll give you something I'm catching up and writing notes I promise you that you'll get something.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 7:55 pm @Dolby
@Dyslexicon
@falcon45ca
@G-Man
@ilario
@Johanna
@Lime Coke
@Marmot
@NotAnAxehole
@Sloonei
@Son of Anarch

Are you the fruit vendor?

Traipsing around and passing out fruit was not part of my role card. I am not the fruit vendor you seek.

i am highly encouraged by the solving that has gone on in the last few hours and it makes me feel confident that the town will be in a good position even when i'm not here. i am off work and have some free-time right now if anyone wants to discuss anything with me!

i am also keeping a close eye on lime coke's catch-up posts

this might be out of pocket for me to say as someone with little experience with marmot, but i have been getting the impression (in the last few pages especially) that marmot is outside of his wolfrange. am i right to feel that way?

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:43 pm this might be out of pocket for me to say as someone with little experience with marmot, but i have been getting the impression (in the last few pages especially) that marmot is outside of his wolfrange. am i right to feel that way?

i suppose it's less important whether or not marmot is out of his wolfrange and more important that i have found marmot's posts today consistently thoughtful and solvy

which i do

Thoughts through now:

DOLBY
-647: wisdom
-1197: I agree

DYSLEXICON
-whole entry to the game was just weird. Don’t recall if this is typical but it feels a little too much. Do not agree with assessment of SPF
-So. Much. Thread-spew! Not enough foundation behind all that glitter.
-254&255: now it simmers down
-275: Waffle House reads
-280: Why play with forced restraint?
-286: Fair criticism, but also sets up a huge bias
-351: “I am intentionally not going to play the way I tend to play”
-373: something concrete is something
-401: hedgy
-feels almost too active on the sig train to be a baddie running it

FALCON
-323: I concur about pingy
-354: scum reads with no meat
-363: agreed
-590: disagree- they gotta try to talk the talk and walk the walk or they stand out
-987: I disagree

ILARIO
-77: post count padding? Quite agreeable
-113: too much emphasis on entrance (not limited to just ilario)
-192: a little too forward-thinking and helpful without focusing on the here and now
-304: way too soft an acceptance of Dys
-337: rather over-explainy
-587- spot on
-702: hmm
-750: an awful lot to explain a tr on Jay because he tr’s you
-963: eod camper

JAGGEDJIMMYJAY
-56: could be supa-jay but feels too jabbery
-93: more like real Jay
-101: less twang and more neil hartley please
-152: good points but not nai
-158: i thought the same; unclear how this makes me feel
-277: this feels slimy
-390: soft pass for NAA
-443: so why bother writing it?
-555: quite
-563: reply hazy; try again later
-989: don’t do it…
-1133: playing as mafia is like riding a bike- you never forget
-1144: something very different from what you think it is
-1467: it took you until D2 to think of that? Or have you been waiting to drop your strategy in the thread?

JOHANNA
-982: well hi there. Wish I could draw conclusions like that from catch-up mode. Or is this player salad? Why can’t I tell?
-1276: don’t answer other people’s questions
-lots of adverbs

LIME COKE
-68: a lot to glean from so little
-434: a bit brash and over the top
-440: drifting into ATE?
-610: I think several people have been too quick to assume chummy early-towncore constructions

MARMOT
-184: sassy burn?
-678: true, but does SPF realize that?
-682: volume clearing is meh
-overall I appreciate marmot’s poking and picking at consensus and other assertions
-744: good question
-1387: good stuff

NAA
-312: derp?
-437: yes and no
-743: still feel they’re opposite alignments after the flip?
-I like the rebelliousness in principle but it’s dialed a little high to persuade others
-1111: prepare to be at least 1/4 disappointed

SIG
-291: lol sig
-518: yeah, that was a little too harsh

SLOONEI
-72: sassy interesting. Disingenuous?
-125: true
-419: bingo
-565: don’t worry, you have a real game
-669: that’s what happens when you spend too much time looking for people to townread
-904: this is my lot in life
-913: I dislike this rationale for voting. Who do you actively suspect?
-916: yuck
-1182: wtf is with all the ‘interestings’ this game Sloonei?

SOA
-39: experienced player- no passes needed (come at me?)
-41: can’t describe own play style? Odd.
-61: seeking pat on the head or open fishing- don’t force the lure
-63: “interesting” and agreeable
-88: over-equipped try-hard
-148: a bit Mac-like? Hard to pin this personality down
-355: speaking of magnifying things…
-453: feels like too much to explain what it does
-511: lol, come at me bro
-529: difference of cultures i hope
-542: a bit know-it-allish but also a lot of work if a baddie
-1057: don’t complicate the game? You need to think twisty early, just don’t overthink
-1103: “someone inspire me to make contributions”

SPF
-64: good questions
-69: also good
-111: color me intrigued
-164: ew adverbs; meh
-604: splitting hairs; speed-reading and skimming are real things
-def civ after NP- horrible strategy otherwise

TSP
-317: TR’s sig
-463: lol Tony

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:43 pm this might be out of pocket for me to say as someone with little experience with marmot, but i have been getting the impression (in the last few pages especially) that marmot is outside of his wolfrange. am i right to feel that way?

Probably true, but I believe his efforts.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:39 pm i am highly encouraged by the solving that has gone on in the last few hours and it makes me feel confident that the town will be in a good position even when i'm not here. i am off work and have some free-time right now if anyone wants to discuss anything with me!

i am also keeping a close eye on lime coke's catch-up posts

I called these six players town:

Sloonei
ilario
NAA
Marmot
Dizzy
Tony

If correct then all the other stuff I did is just extra. Any immediate concerns about those six?

@G-Man thanks for reviewing the thread. Would you be able to just give some baseline reads to help us summarize your views? Maybe 2-3 town and 2-3 mafia

Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 11:59 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 11:58 pm

Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 11:54 pm What makes ya guys think ilario would poison Stayposi? Is there somethin' I'm missin' here?

I don't want to dedicate a lot of dialogue to this since ilario can't do anything with it. ilario, Lime Coke, and SPF just happen to come from the same home community (EpicMafia) and it presents possible connections unique among them.

Ah, I see. I think I played a few games on there back in 2012. I'm surprised they've been so welcomin'!

God the amount of PTSD you must have from that site.

What was your name on there?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:51 pm

We're getting there I just saw something I had that I found pretty funny.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:45 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:39 pm i am highly encouraged by the solving that has gone on in the last few hours and it makes me feel confident that the town will be in a good position even when i'm not here. i am off work and have some free-time right now if anyone wants to discuss anything with me!

i am also keeping a close eye on lime coke's catch-up posts

I called these six players town:

Sloonei
ilario
NAA
Marmot
Dizzy
Tony

If correct then all the other stuff I did is just extra. Any immediate concerns about those six?

sloonei - no immediate concern, i think he's a villager.

illario - no immediate concern beyond paranoia - i think that his posts today have been quite villagery and the illario slot would only be a concern to me in a world where A. lime coke is a villager and B. the POE starts looking a little tighter than anticipated

NAA - no immediate concerns, i'm leaning on NAA being a villager for the fluidity of his posts alone

marmot - no immediate concerns, marmot has probably become one of my strongest townreads below you and sloonei

dizzy - i have some mild concern about dizzy, in the sense that my townread on dizzy is almost entirely based on a micro-interaction that he had with me on d1 (and with me generally thinking that his posts have been villagery). thinking about it more, dizzy's specific dynamic with illario and the fact that dizzy is pushing on a POE that i think is ~primarily~ headed in the right direction are saving graces for him as well. i suppose my concern about dizzy is that a lot of my reasoning to townread boils down to stuff i believe that he would be capable of faking as a wolf as well. i don't really believe in this read in my heart as i'm typing it out - dizzy is still more likely town than not

tony - mild concern but i think it's best to leave this untouched for now. i would not have him in my townlist, personally

actually i suppose it's fine to play with the assumption that TSP is a villager for now

Thanks superbestfriend. I will say that sans-claim Tony would be Mister POE.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:43 pm this might be out of pocket for me to say as someone with little experience with marmot, but i have been getting the impression (in the last few pages especially) that marmot is outside of his wolfrange. am i right to feel that way?

That's probably true.

I'm also back from a 3-month break from mafia, so do feel more refreshed approaching this game than I had in recent months.

It's possible that the real watcher is not Tony, and is just waiting for more info to c, but we can cross that bridge when we get there if that's the case.

c => cc

Out of the people IN my POE pool I would say Johanna looks the most like a civilian*.

*We’re reclaiming our word.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:00 pm Out of the people IN my POE pool I would say Johanna looks the most like a civilian*.

*We’re reclaiming our word.

i was just about to say that if i were to replace a name in your pool with TSP, it would be johanna

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:00 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:00 pm Out of the people IN my POE pool I would say Johanna looks the most like a civilian*.

*We’re reclaiming our word.

i was just about to say that if i were to replace a name in your pool with TSP, it would be johanna

in your list of villagers, that is

son of anarch is the player in this game that i feel the most uncertain about, which is weird because of how confident i felt he was a villager throughout d1. i think it's because he has a lot of posts that sound very authentic on a tonal level/depth of thought level, but i don't feel like he's taken any particular strides to solve the game or advance his worldview today. i am aware that this could just be a playdyle thing, but i feel like son of anarch's voice has almost gotten buried today in an avalanche of people that sound more villagery than him. i'm not really sure what to do with that

one thing to know about lime coke is that if he is a villager, you WILL know it. it might not be immediate, it might take a while, but there is always a moment where it just "clicks" that lime coke is playing from a village perspective. there have been instances in this game that resemble those moments, but i do not think that he has truly had any of those moments yet in this game

if i could see another dayphase with lime coke posting consistently i am confident that my read on him would be accurate, so it's a shame that i only have until the EOD lol

If I am completely honest: I’m not sure why I town read SoA in the first place. I’ve never been comfortable with that slot.

That’s no slight on him, and he’s been a positive part of this game regardless of alignment. I hope to see more of him in future games. Good vibes.

I have no explicit reason to suspect Son of Anarch, but my lack of familiarity with him means I’m unable to confidently declare that he is town. I think his lack of familiarity with us holds him back from diving into this game more confidently as well. No fault of his own.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Sep 11, 2021 12:45 am i have a highly specific thought about limecoke that is looking increasingly likely to be true the longer that this game goes on

i don't know if i ever explained this, but my thought at that stage of the game was: "limecoke is a wolf that is TMI'ing sloonei as a villager in an attempt to replicate his town meta"

if we live in a world where lime coke is a wolf, i think that sloonei is spewed town

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:14 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Sep 11, 2021 12:45 am i have a highly specific thought about limecoke that is looking increasingly likely to be true the longer that this game goes on

i don't know if i ever explained this, but my thought at that stage of the game was: "limecoke is a wolf that is TMI'ing sloonei as a villager in an attempt to replicate his town meta"

if we live in a world where lime coke is a wolf, i think that sloonei is spewed town

Groovy

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:14 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Sep 11, 2021 12:45 am i have a highly specific thought about limecoke that is looking increasingly likely to be true the longer that this game goes on

i don't know if i ever explained this, but my thought at that stage of the game was: "limecoke is a wolf that is TMI'ing sloonei as a villager in an attempt to replicate his town meta"

if we live in a world where lime coke is a wolf, i think that sloonei is spewed town

Groovy

that post was so good that u couldnt help but say "groovy" twice. it's understandable

Radical

Finished Page 25 but I'll post what I have so far.

Also hi SPF, happy to see we're town together again.

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Interaction between Axehole and Sloonei

Basically looks like a comedy sketch where Sloonei is the serious character and Axehole is the goofy character that's fluffing around.

I feel like if I townread Axe here, it's for the wrong reasons.
TWTBAW but I agree that read should be burned and buried.

I do like Dizzy's reaction to it. "I get you're doing what you're doing but please be serious to help us out" type of tone.




Don't like how Dizzy has a list of 8 players in the POE? Bit of a wide spectrum.

SonofAnarchy using last of data to be in the game is towny. Shows WIM, unless SoA enjoys wolfing I say he's townier for it.

Dizzy trying to make a thread read and trying to move wagons to see anything get traction is towny. Trying not to fail while the rest of the thread is dead.

3 person wagon emerges on Falcon and Falcon pops in 2 minutes later...

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 6:25 pm sig should probably go over today, but i was curious how a competing falcon wagon would impact the dynamic of the thread. it looks like the answer is: "not at all"

I disagree with this take, Dizzy, you and Son started the wagon and people started coming out of the woodwork. There was something there.




Point in favor of Axehole is that he's going against the grain at least with his reads and how he's treating other slots. Shaded both JJJ and Sloonei both days which would probably be sewer slide as mafia.
However at the same time he just outs a townread for specific things that are ??? like on here:

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 8:47 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 8:46 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 8:43 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 8:42 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 8:41 pm Like JJJ's post yesterday of "let's get 2 misses before we consider re-evaluation sounded a lot like, let's get 2 kills before we start talking about my slot, and my partners"

That's not what I said. I was asked about 2 misses.

*shrug*

I don't remember the context to be honest, just a few words of the post. I'd still kill you for it. And for your lack of reasonable town reads coming into today.

ilario asked me if 2 misses would be enough to go after Sloonei. I said answering that question demands more context than just "2 misses".

It's pretty clear at the moment that you and I do not derive reads through a similar process. That's fine. But I am going to do things the way that I do them. Emerging from a town chop I am rarely going to have more confidence about town reads.

Ilario can be town for that.

Like Illario just gets mentioned for talking about possibly re-evaluating Sloonei after a certain amount of misses and Axe just calls it town.


I understand and like JJJ's read list at #1048. Like the basis of it being G2H reads.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 9:24 pm

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 9:21 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 9:18 pm but in fairness, he also caught me in goc 2019.

sorry i worded that poorly

i meant, who here has caught jjj when he was a wolf

i know, that is what i was answering. i caught him in those two games.

the latter of the two just happened to be multiball where we were both mafia on opposite teams.

Can you go into what he did in those two games that made him look scummy to you? What’s the differences between his townplay and scum game ?

hey illario, what are ur current feeling about lc? u still think he's a wolf?

Axehole does a list of reads after doing iso's and just goes to normal consensus...which is also having JJJ and Sloonei as his top town, whom he was shading before...

Falcon's only 2 townreads are of NAA and Sloonei.

Falcon: Marmot's silence is deafening || Why was this a thing when it was only 2 hours after the day start?



Axehole feels too confident in his "Team of 4" guesses, but not in a TMI way, in a "This is REALLY the mafia team!" *Misyeet* "WHOOPS! I'm bad! It must be the other group of 4!" *Proceeds to go after another town in another batch of 4.*

Light reasoning to townread Falcon so either TMI or partner defending from Axehole.



If anything Sloonei and Marmot aren't partnered with Sloonei asking Marmot who gets revealed to be SPF's visitor. As town he'd be trying to get spew out of M!Marmot, as mafia he'd be trying to force T!Marmot into an "Open mouth, insert foot" situation that gets him in trouble.

Dolby wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 3:13 am I do not like the tendency among the consensus town/highposters that we just yeet the low-posters. I'm struggling to find any reads rn that aren't close to having the same effect as sort by postcount.

This has present from as early as the 200s, from Dizzy

Haven't even read fully yet, just feel the need to say this.

Also, Jo's D2 entrance isn't bad for them. No I will not elaborate

I find this towny from Dolby. Specifically the first line. I'm also afraid I'm falling into this trap of SBPC.



Illario continues to have nuanced theories specifically at #1218 with Sloonei.
Also him making a legacy townread on two other players and proceeding to wanting to die first and make others sheep his legacy is town of him.

Ok, ok. I am the fruit vendor.

Works for me.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:29 pm Ok, ok. I am the fruit vendor.

Okay that explains the comedy routine.

I don’t know if targets even matter here, but maybe you should share your Night 1 fruit recipient NAA.