The Syndicate

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 9:40 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 1:12 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 1:11 am Hey man, what's up? Can you see me even when I'm invisible?

Only scum players go invisible.

Tony, fyi, iirc LC is always invisible whether he's playing a game or not. I don't consider this as alignment indicative.

I am aware and I would never consider that to be valid info towards a player’s alignment. It’s essentially out of game info.

And by that-- I mean beyond stupid chess bullshit.

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 9:43 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 1:12 am I was gonna ask you the same thing. Do you want to try to lynch each other?

If not I’m voting for Timmer for now.

I think someone already asked you why, I just want to reinforce that. What are you seeing about timmer at this time?

Timmer has a post count in the 70s, but the only things I remember from that are a weird idea on Creature / Owner / Drago being w/w/w (which actually is pretty townie now that I think about it cause scum wouldn’t make claims like that if Creature was gonna flip town) and a fight with Rej day 1.

Dom wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 10:27 am And by that-- I mean beyond stupid chess bullshit.

You sunk my battleship

Dom wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 8:52 am @TonyStarkPrime -- soo did you ever actually suspect me or did you just think you could beat me?

"I know when I'm beat"


Waiting.
Or are you waiting too?

Dom wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 8:52 am @TonyStarkPrime -- soo did you ever actually suspect me or did you just think you could beat me?

If I thought I could beat you I probably should have reviewed the case and made sure it could be convincing.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 10:29 am

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 9:43 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 1:12 am I was gonna ask you the same thing. Do you want to try to lynch each other?

If not I’m voting for Timmer for now.

I think someone already asked you why, I just want to reinforce that. What are you seeing about timmer at this time?

Timmer has a post count in the 70s, but the only things I remember from that are a weird idea on Creature / Owner / Drago being w/w/w (which actually is pretty townie now that I think about it cause scum wouldn’t make claims like that if Creature was gonna flip town) and a fight with Rej day 1.

I said on day 3 that timmer is probably bad because i still don't know what he stands for and only seems to show up when we call his name.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 10:31 am

Dom wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 8:52 am @TonyStarkPrime -- soo did you ever actually suspect me or did you just think you could beat me?

If I thought I could beat you I probably should have reviewed the case and made sure it could be convincing.

You're not quite answering my question.

Dom wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 10:33 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 10:31 am

Dom wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 8:52 am @TonyStarkPrime -- soo did you ever actually suspect me or did you just think you could beat me?

If I thought I could beat you I probably should have reviewed the case and made sure it could be convincing.

You're not quite answering my question.

I suspected you. I probably gave up on the full fledged support of suspecting you some point yesterday while I was still pushing that case.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 10:38 am

Dom wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 10:33 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 10:31 am

Dom wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 8:52 am @TonyStarkPrime -- soo did you ever actually suspect me or did you just think you could beat me?

If I thought I could beat you I probably should have reviewed the case and made sure it could be convincing.

You're not quite answering my question.

I suspected you. I probably gave up on the full fledged support of suspecting you some point yesterday while I was still pushing that case.

Why?

Anyone get the sense that [mention]sprityo[/mention] is actually catching up?

Dom wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 10:12 am Don't like that Drag and Owner didn't break the tie.

I don't think that's AI if they were both not around. I still don't like Drag not chiming in on Rej way back though

And nobody answered me about what they think of potential derps and about Epi. A "idk" is fine. /shrugface

Dom wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 10:42 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 10:38 am

Dom wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 10:33 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 10:31 am

Dom wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 8:52 am @TonyStarkPrime -- soo did you ever actually suspect me or did you just think you could beat me?

If I thought I could beat you I probably should have reviewed the case and made sure it could be convincing.

You're not quite answering my question.

I suspected you. I probably gave up on the full fledged support of suspecting you some point yesterday while I was still pushing that case.

Why?

Why did I give up a bit? I thought there existed a meta case and I read some of your previous games and it seemed par for the course. At which point I’m basing my entire meta case on a game currently in process.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 10:46 am And nobody answered me about what they think of potential derps and about Epi. A "idk" is fine/shrugface

I’m not clearing for potential derps because of the ones I remember were of the sort where it’s like “this is stupid if you’re town and easy to fake if you’re scum”. Also I think that’s a stupid strategy for scum to emulate and so I’m on principle not going to give someone a townread for one so I can’t be tricked on it.

Epi is shrug.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 10:46 am

Dom wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 10:42 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 10:38 am

Dom wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 10:33 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 10:31 am

Dom wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 8:52 am @TonyStarkPrime -- soo did you ever actually suspect me or did you just think you could beat me?

If I thought I could beat you I probably should have reviewed the case and made sure it could be convincing.

You're not quite answering my question.

I suspected you. I probably gave up on the full fledged support of suspecting you some point yesterday while I was still pushing that case.

Why?

Why did I give up a bit? I thought there existed a meta case and I read some of your previous games and it seemed par for the course. At which point I’m basing my entire meta case on a game currently in process.

Sounds like you never had a case in the first place.

Which games did you read?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 10:46 am And nobody answered me about what they think of potential derps and about Epi. A "idk" is fine. /shrugface

meh

Dom wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 10:53 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 10:46 am

Dom wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 10:42 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 10:38 am

Dom wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 10:33 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 10:31 am

Dom wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 8:52 am @TonyStarkPrime -- soo did you ever actually suspect me or did you just think you could beat me?

If I thought I could beat you I probably should have reviewed the case and made sure it could be convincing.

You're not quite answering my question.

I suspected you. I probably gave up on the full fledged support of suspecting you some point yesterday while I was still pushing that case.

Why?

Why did I give up a bit? I thought there existed a meta case and I read some of your previous games and it seemed par for the course. At which point I’m basing my entire meta case on a game currently in process.

Sounds like you never had a case in the first place.

Which games did you read?

One with Ancient Greece, one weird one that I couldn’t really track that seemed to take place in several different threads, a few where you posted once or twice a day and then died.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 10:49 amI’m not clearing for potential derps because of the ones I remember were of the sort where it’s like “this is stupid if you’re town and easy to fake if you’re scum”. Also I think that’s a stupid strategy for scum to emulate and so I’m on principle not going to give someone a townread for one so I can’t be tricked on it.

Epi is shrug.

Dom wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 10:53 ammeh

My beautiful gif. =(

I don't really follow the Dom/Tony argument really well. Tony says he is suspicious of Dom because meta? What are other people's read on Dom?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 10:58 am I don't really follow the Dom/Tony argument really well. Tony says he is suspicious of Dom because meta? What are other people's read on Dom?

No I thought that Dom wasn’t aggressive enough and that some of his posts looked scummy. And maybe meta but that went south. Apparently everyone else thinks he’s town.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 10:57 am

Dom wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 10:53 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 10:46 am

Dom wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 10:42 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 10:38 am

Dom wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 10:33 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 10:31 am

If I thought I could beat you I probably should have reviewed the case and made sure it could be convincing.

You're not quite answering my question.

I suspected you. I probably gave up on the full fledged support of suspecting you some point yesterday while I was still pushing that case.

Why?

Why did I give up a bit? I thought there existed a meta case and I read some of your previous games and it seemed par for the course. At which point I’m basing my entire meta case on a game currently in process.

Sounds like you never had a case in the first place.

Which games did you read?

One with Ancient Greece, one weird one that I couldn’t really track that seemed to take place in several different threads, a few where you posted once or twice a day and then died.

You chose a game where I died on Night 3, a game that was hard to follow, and a game I didn't quite play to base your entire case against me that you pushed hard while I wasn't here?
Do I have that right?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 10:24 am

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 9:40 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 1:12 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 1:11 am Hey man, what's up? Can you see me even when I'm invisible?

Only scum players go invisible.

Tony, fyi, iirc LC is always invisible whether he's playing a game or not. I don't consider this as alignment indicative.

I am aware and I would never consider that to be valid info towards a player’s alignment. It’s essentially out of game info.

Ok sorry, I misread the joke as being serious.

Dom wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 11:07 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 10:57 am

Dom wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 10:53 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 10:46 am

Dom wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 10:42 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 10:38 am

Dom wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 10:33 am

You're not quite answering my question.

I suspected you. I probably gave up on the full fledged support of suspecting you some point yesterday while I was still pushing that case.

Why?

Why did I give up a bit? I thought there existed a meta case and I read some of your previous games and it seemed par for the course. At which point I’m basing my entire meta case on a game currently in process.

Sounds like you never had a case in the first place.

Which games did you read?

One with Ancient Greece, one weird one that I couldn’t really track that seemed to take place in several different threads, a few where you posted once or twice a day and then died.

You chose a game where I died on Night 3, a game that was hard to follow, and a game I didn't quite play to base your entire case against me that you pushed hard while I wasn't here?
Do I have that right?

Well I read the games after making the case and you didn’t have many recent ones to choose from. The case I pushed while you were here was not in any way based on those games.

If I wanted to I’m sure I could have found some great examples of what I was looking for but it would have been a little disingenuous.

I want to correct something I think I misstated. [mention]sabie12[/mention] was gone 3 days but I failed to consider that one of those days was probably a "nighttime" day as I was looking at calendar days. It doesn't change my vote but I don't want to exaggerate her absence.

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 11:07 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 10:24 am

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 9:40 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 1:12 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 1:11 am Hey man, what's up? Can you see me even when I'm invisible?

Only scum players go invisible.

Tony, fyi, iirc LC is always invisible whether he's playing a game or not. I don't consider this as alignment indicative.

I am aware and I would never consider that to be valid info towards a player’s alignment. It’s essentially out of game info.

Ok sorry, I misread the joke as being serious.

What would forum mafia be without people misreading jokes as being serious? It’s the basis for practically half the scum reads around here.

Dom wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 10:33 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 10:29 am

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 9:43 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 1:12 am I was gonna ask you the same thing. Do you want to try to lynch each other?

If not I’m voting for Timmer for now.

I think someone already asked you why, I just want to reinforce that. What are you seeing about timmer at this time?

Timmer has a post count in the 70s, but the only things I remember from that are a weird idea on Creature / Owner / Drago being w/w/w (which actually is pretty townie now that I think about it cause scum wouldn’t make claims like that if Creature was gonna flip town) and a fight with Rej day 1.

I said on day 3 that timmer is probably bad because i still don't know what he stands for and only seems to show up when we call his name.

Thanks Dom and Tony, looks like I need to prioritize him on my reading list.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 11:02 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 10:58 am I don't really follow the Dom/Tony argument really well. Tony says he is suspicious of Dom because meta? What are other people's read on Dom?

No I thought that Dom wasn’t aggressive enough and that some of his posts looked scummy. And maybe meta but that went south. Apparently everyone else thinks he’s town.

To be clear, you didn't call them scummy. You called them "off". Still not sure what that means.
And you aren't either.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 11:09 am

Dom wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 11:07 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 10:57 am

Dom wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 10:53 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 10:46 am

Dom wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 10:42 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 10:38 am

I suspected you. I probably gave up on the full fledged support of suspecting you some point yesterday while I was still pushing that case.

Why?

Why did I give up a bit? I thought there existed a meta case and I read some of your previous games and it seemed par for the course. At which point I’m basing my entire meta case on a game currently in process.

Sounds like you never had a case in the first place.

Which games did you read?

One with Ancient Greece, one weird one that I couldn’t really track that seemed to take place in several different threads, a few where you posted once or twice a day and then died.

You chose a game where I died on Night 3, a game that was hard to follow, and a game I didn't quite play to base your entire case against me that you pushed hard while I wasn't here?
Do I have that right?

Well I read the games after making the case and you didn’t have many recent ones to choose from. The case I pushed while you were here was not in any way based on those games.

If I wanted to I’m sure I could have found some great examples of what I was looking for but it would have been a little disingenuous.

This ain't adding up, chief.

What led you to make a case based on how someone plays usually when you claim you don't know the player well?

Dom wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 10:43 am Anyone get the sense that @sprityo is actually catching up?

I don't get that sense. I see "I'll try" accompanied by a beer emoji which made it seem cavalier. I'm a terrible read of him though.

Dom wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 10:21 am @Long Con what do you think of Tony?

I'm moderately suspicious of him, and I would vote for him over 75% of the remaining players.

Who's the 25%, then?

Owner, Sabie, and timmer I guess. Do I need another one for 25%? That one would be a maybe.

Is owner predicated entirely on his vote for you?

[mention]Owner of a Lonely Heart[/mention]
[mention]Dragomir[/mention]

What's up with your vote yesterday?

YEs-- Tony, I ask the hard questions.
What's your BTSC telling you to say?

Dom wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 11:15 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 11:02 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 10:58 am I don't really follow the Dom/Tony argument really well. Tony says he is suspicious of Dom because meta? What are other people's read on Dom?

No I thought that Dom wasn’t aggressive enough and that some of his posts looked scummy. And maybe meta but that went south. Apparently everyone else thinks he’s town.

To be clear, you didn't call them scummy. You called them "off". Still not sure what that means.
And you aren't either.

It means scummy.

Dom wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 11:31 am Is owner predicated entirely on his vote for you?

Yes.

Dom wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 11:20 am What led you to make a case based on how someone plays usually when you claim you don't know the player well?

Probably because I thought you were scummy and the meta idea behind that was an afterthought.

Dom wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 11:34 am YEs-- Tony, I ask the hard questions.
What's your BTSC telling you to say?

“I told you I should be the one to make a case”
“But Epi said I wasn’t making strong enough reads”
“You idiot I am Epi”

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 11:36 am

Dom wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 11:15 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 11:02 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 10:58 am I don't really follow the Dom/Tony argument really well. Tony says he is suspicious of Dom because meta? What are other people's read on Dom?

No I thought that Dom wasn’t aggressive enough and that some of his posts looked scummy. And maybe meta but that went south. Apparently everyone else thinks he’s town.

To be clear, you didn't call them scummy. You called them "off". Still not sure what that means.
And you aren't either.

It means scummy.

weird you didn't say that earlier

"I thought you were scummy"

Yeah we've yet to really get at the why there.
And therein lies the problem.

Dom wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 11:52 am "I thought you were scummy"

Yeah we've yet to really get at the why there.
And therein lies the problem.

Do you want me to try and build a case again? Do it right the second time? Throw more strikes? I pointed out the posts I didn’t like, you can say that’s a weak case but they are also why I thought you were scummy. I can try again if you want.

Tony
Timmer
Sabie

who should I vote for today?

I'm out for the day now.
See ya hoes.

I'm here briefly... so my default vote today will be sabie as my counter-idea yesterday kind of flopped.

I notice that the last 2 things Tony said about me were pro-townie, yet he is voting for me, so that's weird.

I've been reading and following the game more than it might seem, I just haven't had a ton to say at the few times where I've had time to say them.

Right now, I feel like I have zero real pro-town reads..., a huge group of people in the middle meh group, like Epig2, Dom, LC...

Some people I'm gut-reading as bad but can't build much of a case against like juliets, Drag and Owner, and then there are all of the virtually absent players. As for sabie, one thing that is damning imo is that she is making exactly one post a day, which is the exact requirement to not get modblocked. That makes me a bit more comfortable with a lynch in that direction.