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Posted: **Sun Nov 01, 2020 4:35 pm**

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Nov 01, 2020 4:31 pm Has nutella attempted to shoot anyone today

I tried for TL, wasn't a hit

Posted: **Sun Nov 01, 2020 4:35 pm**

[VOTE: marmot] aubergine

*big shrug*

Posted: **Sun Nov 01, 2020 4:37 pm**

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Nov 01, 2020 4:35 pm [VOTE: marmot] aubergine

*big shrug*

This, or Quin, I think, maybe. I should probably re-eval Alison, too, soon.

Posted: **Sun Nov 01, 2020 4:37 pm**

The TSP POE:
ask me to elaborate and I will

NOT POE:
Me
Nutella
Hyena (who has been not poed for ... reasons???)
Marmot
TL

POE:
Quin
Alison
TH

Actually I feel pretty good about Quin, at least. Really I think I can only vote for TH. Go back and read TL's thread entrance nutella, tell me what you think.

Posted: **Sun Nov 01, 2020 4:38 pm**

ok why marmot

Posted: **Sun Nov 01, 2020 4:38 pm**

Someone please tell me why it's not hyena quick

Posted: **Sun Nov 01, 2020 4:39 pm**

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Oct 31, 2020 6:10 pm
Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sat Oct 31, 2020 5:41 pm Quin may not have done anything obviously town but he didn't really do anything scummy either. I think more than anything else he was weirded out by the format. Why do you townread quin so strongly?
Because Quin was begging Mac not to shoot FG and the FG shot was pretty bad for town. Mac was choosing between FG and me, and both of us are town. A wolf has no reason to do anything but sit back and eat chips there.

Theoretically, yeah, but in my experience, wolfs will do pretty much anything for shits and giggles even if they have no reason to do anything. o:

Posted: **Sun Nov 01, 2020 4:40 pm**

Ok yeah TL's entrance seems towny and I want to trust his feelings on marmot+quin

Posted: **Sun Nov 01, 2020 4:40 pm**

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Nov 01, 2020 4:38 pmok why marmot

Who are you asking? Me, or TSP?

Posted: **Sun Nov 01, 2020 4:40 pm**

Marmot has been too weird to be a wolf. Why did he pull people back into the thread, why wasn't he more open about his ability while he was here? Besides, the LC/Vul interactions look pretty solid both ways. I want explanation from Marmot about why he did the things he chose to do, but if he's a wolf I don't really understand his choices.

Posted: **Sun Nov 01, 2020 4:41 pm**

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Nov 01, 2020 4:38 pm Someone please tell me why it's not hyena quick

Because I'm super-duper town.

Posted: **Sun Nov 01, 2020 4:41 pm**

I could buy Quin/Marmot, or Marmot / person in deep. The latter explains some things that I think don't make sense.

Posted: **Sun Nov 01, 2020 4:41 pm**

I don't know what you guys are seeing about TL's entrance that makes you want to clear him

Posted: **Sun Nov 01, 2020 4:41 pm**

Hyena wrote: ↑Sun Nov 01, 2020 4:40 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sun Nov 01, 2020 4:38 pmok why marmot
Who are you asking? Me, or TSP?

tsp, why is marmot town to him

Posted: **Sun Nov 01, 2020 4:41 pm**

like I had marmot as towny d1/d2 i guess but eh

Posted: **Sun Nov 01, 2020 4:42 pm**

Not having the ability to review the punk chat does not make this easy. Hyena, can you talk to me about the Marmot/TH and Marmot/Quin interactions?

Posted: **Sun Nov 01, 2020 4:42 pm**

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Nov 01, 2020 4:40 pm Marmot has been too weird to be a wolf. Why did he pull people back into the thread, why wasn't he more open about his ability while he was here? Besides, the LC/Vul interactions look pretty solid both ways. I want explanation from Marmot about why he did the things he chose to do, but if he's a wolf I don't really understand his choices.

hm yeah the mech stuff does seem unlikely to be a wolf role i guess is a hangup i have

Posted: **Sun Nov 01, 2020 4:43 pm**

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Nov 01, 2020 4:41 pm I don't know what you guys are seeing about TL's entrance that makes you want to clear him

not clear, I just think it looks more like genuine thoughts but definitely could be mafia

Posted: **Sun Nov 01, 2020 4:44 pm**

[VOTE: alison] aubergine

this is dumb but I think alison deepwolf world actually just makes this game make way more sense on a lot of levels

it's like similar to the feeling both thunal and I had in grasslands when we realized that spf being wolf made stuff fit together

idk maybe im dumb

Posted: **Sun Nov 01, 2020 4:45 pm**

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Nov 01, 2020 4:42 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Nov 01, 2020 4:40 pm Marmot has been too weird to be a wolf. Why did he pull people back into the thread, why wasn't he more open about his ability while he was here? Besides, the LC/Vul interactions look pretty solid both ways. I want explanation from Marmot about why he did the things he chose to do, but if he's a wolf I don't really understand his choices.
hm yeah the mech stuff does seem unlikely to be a wolf role i guess is a hangup i have

I think roles are actually completely randomized. It's more how he used it that seems "not wolfy" to me. BUT: consider: if Marmot thought he might be on the chopping block the next day, and he easily could have been, he might lose if his partner is stuck in the other dimension.

Posted: **Sun Nov 01, 2020 4:45 pm**

Okay but TL has legitimately only shown up to defend himself while making a big deal out of how nutella could be scum and then voting Quin

Posted: **Sun Nov 01, 2020 4:45 pm**

Tony, here's what I said about TH and Marmot:

Hyena wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 11:30 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 11:25 pm Hmm... I'm reading some convo from Turnip and Marmot, and I think I have reason to believe that they aren't scummates.
To go into this in more detail...

No one from our chat is pushing the others to go reread the chat I feel like, but in it, I see Turnip and Marmot talking about who they'd vote for if they could vote D2. Turnip mentioned they'd vote for FG if they could since her handling of Poison felt out of character for FG. Marmot then mentioned struggling to find a reason to vote someone, which Turnip then reacted to by saying, "Yeah it's tough to come up with votes when you're mafia. Sorry bud."

Given how little any of us in the chat were engaged with the game, I don't think scum would feel the need to be performative there. Thus, I don't think this was any kind of distancing act.

As far as Marmot and Quin interactions, I don't remember if I checked for those or not. I don't recall seeing anything meaningful though.

Posted: **Sun Nov 01, 2020 4:45 pm**

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Nov 01, 2020 4:45 pm Okay but TL has legitimately only shown up to defend himself while making a big deal out of how nutella could be scum and then voting Quin

fair

Posted: **Sun Nov 01, 2020 4:46 pm**

Also, I feel like I'm the only one who's made an actual effort to info dump stuff from punk chat for you guys to analyze. Why have I become the designated 'info from punk chat getter'? :<

Posted: **Sun Nov 01, 2020 4:46 pm**

Also can we like consolidate since 1/1/1/2/1 wagon formations are awful

Posted: **Sun Nov 01, 2020 4:47 pm**

Hyena wrote: ↑Sun Nov 01, 2020 4:46 pm Also, I feel like I'm the only one who's made an actual effort to info dump stuff from punk chat for you guys to analyze. Why have I become the designated 'info from punk chat getter'? :<

apparently because you're town and everyoen else isn't

Posted: **Sun Nov 01, 2020 4:48 pm**

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Nov 01, 2020 4:46 pm Also can we like consolidate since 1/1/1/2/1 wagon formations are awful

[VOTE: Quin] aubergine

Posted: **Sun Nov 01, 2020 4:49 pm**

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Nov 01, 2020 4:38 pm Someone please tell me why it's not hyena quick

Was by fair the most towny in the neibourhood period.
Also been quite towny in thread and since i dought that many mafia in the neibourhood i lock town the slot.

Posted: **Sun Nov 01, 2020 4:49 pm**

I've never played with Quin. I was inclined to think the pick a fight entrance was towny, but that's an archetype thing.

Posted: **Sun Nov 01, 2020 4:50 pm**

rip me

I said to consolidate but I'm not a big fan of the quin wagon and there's no other wagon to consolidate to

is there anyone here who has interest in a TL exe

tony why is TL not in your POE

Posted: **Sun Nov 01, 2020 4:50 pm**

Time to read some Sloonei posts

Posted: **Sun Nov 01, 2020 4:50 pm**

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Nov 01, 2020 4:49 pm I've never played with Quin. I was inclined to think the pick a fight entrance was towny, but that's an archetype thing.

Didn't TL come in picking a fight with Marmot though?

Posted: **Sun Nov 01, 2020 4:50 pm**

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Nov 01, 2020 4:45 pm Okay but TL has legitimately only shown up to defend himself while making a big deal out of how nutella could be scum and then voting Quin

Cause my brain wants that world to be true and catch it.

If you look at my reads list i decided to town read them as i think i am over thinking that situation.
Also with low engagement while i have time not much to say outside my general reads and why i think people are town.

Posted: **Sun Nov 01, 2020 4:51 pm**

Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Sun Nov 01, 2020 4:28 pm Not confirmed as
A) Has a chance not to work.
B) You couuld have a different mafia carry the kill as you are in a chat and another mafia carrys it.

TL if you acknowledge that you know B) then why were you trying to get yourself cleared by having the punk gang roleblock you

were you trying to go for a cheap townclear

Posted: **Sun Nov 01, 2020 4:52 pm**

Hyena wrote: ↑Sun Nov 01, 2020 4:50 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Nov 01, 2020 4:49 pm I've never played with Quin. I was inclined to think the pick a fight entrance was towny, but that's an archetype thing.
Didn't TL come in picking a fight with Marmot though?

Party a joke partly not.

I think both or atleast 1 is mafia of the two and its hard to narrow which would be which leaning Quinn as of EoD though would not be obbosed to the other dieing.

Posted: **Sun Nov 01, 2020 4:52 pm**

Hyena wrote: ↑Sun Nov 01, 2020 4:50 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Nov 01, 2020 4:49 pm I've never played with Quin. I was inclined to think the pick a fight entrance was towny, but that's an archetype thing.
Didn't TL come in picking a fight with Marmot though?

Yeah I thought TL's entrance was towny too. See: me saying so. But I didn't think it was towny for that reason -- Quin picked a fight with everyone, came in openly hostile as I recall. TL entered more smoothly.

Posted: **Sun Nov 01, 2020 4:53 pm**

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Nov 01, 2020 4:51 pm
Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Sun Nov 01, 2020 4:28 pm Not confirmed as
A) Has a chance not to work.
B) You couuld have a different mafia carry the kill as you are in a chat and another mafia carrys it.
TL if you acknowledge that you know B) then why were you trying to get yourself cleared by having the punk gang roleblock you

were you trying to go for a cheap townclear

Naw i just didn't want to sstop a town menber.

I was the first to vote and honestly outside the group was unsure of stuff.
And if mafia controled if it worked or not best choice is someone with out a power action and thouse not losing power on a towny

Posted: **Sun Nov 01, 2020 4:53 pm**

TL please explain the thing about you wanting to block yourself. I mostly townread you atm but that thing is just weird.

Posted: **Sun Nov 01, 2020 4:54 pm**

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Nov 01, 2020 4:50 pm rip me

I said to consolidate but I'm not a big fan of the quin wagon and there's no other wagon to consolidate to

is there anyone here who has interest in a TL exe

tony why is TL not in your POE

I think TL is town. My POE is probably better expressed as

TOWN:
me
nutella
hyena

OK:
TL
Quin
Marmot
Alison

HMM:
TH

Posted: **Sun Nov 01, 2020 4:54 pm**

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Nov 01, 2020 4:53 pm TL please explain the thing about you wanting to block yourself. I mostly townread you atm but that thing is just weird.

Right above this post UwU

Posted: **Sun Nov 01, 2020 4:54 pm**

Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Sun Nov 01, 2020 4:53 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Sun Nov 01, 2020 4:51 pm
Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Sun Nov 01, 2020 4:28 pm Not confirmed as
A) Has a chance not to work.
B) You couuld have a different mafia carry the kill as you are in a chat and another mafia carrys it.
TL if you acknowledge that you know B) then why were you trying to get yourself cleared by having the punk gang roleblock you

were you trying to go for a cheap townclear
Naw i just didn't want to sstop a town menber.

I was the first to vote and honestly outside the group was unsure of stuff.
And if mafia controled if it worked or not best choice is someone with out a power action and thouse not losing power on a towny

nice crosspost

ok this is about the explanation I expected but it's still odd to me

Posted: **Sun Nov 01, 2020 4:54 pm**

DO PEOPLE iN THe PUNK HTREAD HAVE ACTIONS NO ONE HAS TOLD ME

it matters for the block

Posted: **Sun Nov 01, 2020 4:54 pm**

Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Sun Nov 01, 2020 4:53 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Sun Nov 01, 2020 4:51 pm
Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Sun Nov 01, 2020 4:28 pm Not confirmed as
A) Has a chance not to work.
B) You couuld have a different mafia carry the kill as you are in a chat and another mafia carrys it.
TL if you acknowledge that you know B) then why were you trying to get yourself cleared by having the punk gang roleblock you

were you trying to go for a cheap townclear
Naw i just didn't want to sstop a town menber.

I was the first to vote and honestly outside the group was unsure of stuff.
And if mafia controled if it worked or not best choice is someone with out a power action and thouse not losing power on a towny

why not angle for a roleblock on whoever you suspected the most strongly in punk chat rather than yourself? if your opinion is that the people in the thread are so townie that you'd be scared of roleblocking a townie if you fire into them, why not block someone in the punk chat you suspected?

Posted: **Sun Nov 01, 2020 4:54 pm**

like, that was your group's way of affecting the game if you felt you had a suspect you might as well try and RB, why not try to do it

Posted: **Sun Nov 01, 2020 4:55 pm**

I thought none of them had actions they just had the collective block, an RB does nothing on a member of the group.

Posted: **Sun Nov 01, 2020 4:55 pm**

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Nov 01, 2020 4:54 pm
Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Sun Nov 01, 2020 4:53 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Sun Nov 01, 2020 4:51 pm
Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Sun Nov 01, 2020 4:28 pm Not confirmed as
A) Has a chance not to work.
B) You couuld have a different mafia carry the kill as you are in a chat and another mafia carrys it.
TL if you acknowledge that you know B) then why were you trying to get yourself cleared by having the punk gang roleblock you

were you trying to go for a cheap townclear
Naw i just didn't want to sstop a town menber.

I was the first to vote and honestly outside the group was unsure of stuff.
And if mafia controled if it worked or not best choice is someone with out a power action and thouse not losing power on a towny
why not angle for a roleblock on whoever you suspected the most strongly in punk chat rather than yourself? if your opinion is that the people in the thread are so townie that you'd be scared of roleblocking a townie if you fire into them, why not block someone in the punk chat you suspected?

CAUSE I WAS THINKING MAFIA CONTROLS IF IT WORKS OR NOT.

Posted: **Sun Nov 01, 2020 4:55 pm**

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Nov 01, 2020 4:52 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Sun Nov 01, 2020 4:50 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Nov 01, 2020 4:49 pm I've never played with Quin. I was inclined to think the pick a fight entrance was towny, but that's an archetype thing.
Didn't TL come in picking a fight with Marmot though?
Yeah I thought TL's entrance was towny too. See: me saying so. But I didn't think it was towny for that reason -- Quin picked a fight with everyone, came in openly hostile as I recall. TL entered more smoothly.

I wish Quin had picked a fight with all of us in punk chat while we were stuck in there. :< That would've been spicy and helped get me engaged with at least interacting with the people inside the chat.

Posted: **Sun Nov 01, 2020 4:56 pm**

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Nov 01, 2020 4:55 pm I thought none of them had actions they just had the collective block, an RB does nothing on a member of the group.

Correct as far as I know.

Posted: **Sun Nov 01, 2020 4:56 pm**

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Nov 01, 2020 4:54 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Sun Nov 01, 2020 4:50 pm rip me

I said to consolidate but I'm not a big fan of the quin wagon and there's no other wagon to consolidate to

is there anyone here who has interest in a TL exe

tony why is TL not in your POE
I think TL is town. My POE is probably better expressed as

TOWN:
me
nutella
hyena

OK:
TL
Quin
Marmot
Alison

HMM:
TH

I'm unsure on TH but what makes me lean town on them is their theory about Alison deepwolfing. I don't think a wolf tries to go for that regardless of Alison's alignment, and I think it's way more likely that TH just believes it (and may be right).

Posted: **Sun Nov 01, 2020 4:56 pm**

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Nov 01, 2020 4:54 pm like, that was your group's way of affecting the game if you felt you had a suspect you might as well try and RB, why not try to do it

K imagine we picked a cop or something and stoped their actions.
Town loses alot.

We target me who has no night action outside that vote.
So it felt like the best option.

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