Re: Mafia: A World Asunder - GAME THREAD [Day 2]
Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2018 4:51 pm
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Murder, Mayhem, and Mafia
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No, I don't think so. TH is the one possibly distancing. Tranq would be the one allowing it or falling for it or enabling it or whatever. NAI for Tranq IMO.juliets wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 4:29 pmspeed are you saying the comment about sprityo is also distancing cred?speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 4:23 pmSomething I saw while skimming.
I'd clear neither of these. G-man worse than Sprit. TH left a vote on G-Man and did nothing with it as far as I know. Seems like easy distancing cred, and you're giving it to him.
Ok, glad I asked. I had misunderstood.speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 4:52 pmNo, I don't think so. TH is the one possibly distancing. Tranq would be the one allowing it or falling for it or enabling it or whatever. NAI for Tranq IMO.juliets wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 4:29 pmspeed are you saying the comment about sprityo is also distancing cred?speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 4:23 pmSomething I saw while skimming.
I'd clear neither of these. G-man worse than Sprit. TH left a vote on G-Man and did nothing with it as far as I know. Seems like easy distancing cred, and you're giving it to him.
I felt the same way.DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 4:51 pmNecause Wolbre said "do it bitch" and Luna's Wilgy vote looked like she was trying to save him.MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 4:50 pmSo why did you try to tie it if not for the fun of it?DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 4:48 pmThat's pretty basic.MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 4:47 pmI believe you both wanted to create a tie more so than anything. He moved his vote off Wolbre and onto Sloonei at a time that created a 6 v 6 tie. Answer could be as simple as "for the fun of it".DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 4:40 pmYes it does. Wolbre was a civ. If TH and I were baddie teammates we'dve been fine lynching a civ. Why would TH move his vote off Wolbre just to fuck with shit.
This sentence bugs me. It's overly apologetic and... like, IDK why it's there. "I understand what happened."
It means I understand it all happened at the last minute and was a surprise and I was sorry that happened to him. I talked him into playing so I felt bad.speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 5:01 pmThis sentence bugs me. It's overly apologetic and... like, IDK why it's there. "I understand what happened."He got lynched is what happened. Of course you read through EOD, that's how you know what happened.
Can you elaborate on why this sentence is here?
Okay, that's the context I needed. I didn't see a reason for you to feel guilty, and that's what it looked like.juliets wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 5:08 pmIt means I understand it all happened at the last minute and was a surprise and I was sorry that happened to him. I talked him into playing so I felt bad.speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 5:01 pmThis sentence bugs me. It's overly apologetic and... like, IDK why it's there. "I understand what happened."He got lynched is what happened. Of course you read through EOD, that's how you know what happened.
Can you elaborate on why this sentence is here?
How does knowing this information change the way civs should act, in your opinion?sprityo wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 3:28 pmAwareness, information to keep in mindcolonialbob wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 3:16 pmWhat is the desired outcome of discussing this for civs?sprityo wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 2:44 pm I discuss what I personally deem interesting/important.
Point 1 being I made this role concept the trickster is based off of. And I have most definitely seen it used to make a town flip as mafia looking (@ quin)
Point 2: mechanically speaking the mafia would make the town less on guard, which would further present itself as a problem later on in the game. If the trickster is still alive and can forge roles, the mafia could fake even more kills and possibly their own deaths again.
The only true way to lie detect someone who is now dead is having a mortician or someone to confirm the dead’s identity, aka what I pointed out with lycantha
Until they find TH’s body we won’t be 100% sure that we actually was the trickster
That’s all. I can’t be every player in the game so I have to make sure everyone can at least consider and dismiss or approve of information I think is relevant
It was a civ post, I feel good about you now.Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 3:37 pmI'm both flattered and insulted.colonialbob wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 3:15 pmThis is your best post so farLunalee wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 2:44 pmThe simplest answer is that a mafia person died. If we make that assumption, we can move forward with analyzing TH and sussing out someone to lynch today. If we get all suspicious that TH only flipped bad, and wasn't really bad, then we don't have a clear path forward for today's lynch. I'd rather assume the simplest scenario that TH was bad, and use that information to move forward.timmer wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 2:39 pmThe answer to your question is that it seems like it would be theoretically possible. If the trickster is bad and killed th and forged it to say th was the trickster and was bad, sure. But... why would they do that? It's interesting that you bring up such a specific question when you have barely participated.sprityo wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 2:29 pm So I didn’t read into TH being bad or really read at all, but could someone clear out the possibility for me that TH wasn’t forged into being the trickster upon death?
I never trust flavor posts out of habit (speedchuck and I probably share this) this is a role that can make anyone else they kill reveal as something else. It’s not like I can ask long con “did the trickster for real for real die?”
Linki: very well, I’ll keep that in mind sloon![]()
Just thought you'd be interested is allJackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 4:19 pm colonialbob
Are you asking me what to do with a bounty hunter/underpants gnome claim?
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 5:39 pm Someone get into BTSC with Jack so he can try to manipulate people into following overcomplicated schemes and end up slipping.
I don't want to vote Luna. It would be nice if you would collect those ISO posts here so I don't have to dig for your cases. I'm much more time-limited now than is ideal for mafia :/
I would not advocate a luna lynch right now either. She's on the list, but she's my least favorite option.colonialbob wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 5:45 pmDragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 5:39 pm Someone get into BTSC with Jack so he can try to manipulate people into following overcomplicated schemes and end up slipping.![]()
I don't want to vote Luna. It would be nice if you would collect those ISO posts here so I don't have to dig for your cases. I'm much more time-limited now than is ideal for mafia :/
Sorry haven't been around much working and sleeping and then now I have a starfinder game tonight.juliets wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 3:59 pmIt's an interesting idea sprityo, one I certainly hadn't thought of. The thing I don't understand though is can a forger forge and identity like "Trickster"? I thought they only forged alignment. I haven't played many games with forgers so maybe I'm just confused.sprityo wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 3:28 pmAwareness, information to keep in mindcolonialbob wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 3:16 pmWhat is the desired outcome of discussing this for civs?sprityo wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 2:44 pm I discuss what I personally deem interesting/important.
Point 1 being I made this role concept the trickster is based off of. And I have most definitely seen it used to make a town flip as mafia looking (@ quin)
Point 2: mechanically speaking the mafia would make the town less on guard, which would further present itself as a problem later on in the game. If the trickster is still alive and can forge roles, the mafia could fake even more kills and possibly their own deaths again.
The only true way to lie detect someone who is now dead is having a mortician or someone to confirm the dead’s identity, aka what I pointed out with lycantha
Until they find TH’s body we won’t be 100% sure that we actually was the trickster
That’s all. I can’t be every player in the game so I have to make sure everyone can at least consider and dismiss or approve of information I think is relevant
All part of the plan?Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 5:37 pm Jack is sticking out like a sore thumb as a guy who is usually super active in these games and not here.
Don’t get me started....
And then goes on to say hes confused by roles and alignments saying am I civ? Found it all weird and confusing.Enrique wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 4:03 amDoes "Jagged Blade" ring a bell?Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 4:00 amEnrique wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 3:59 amIt means you probably don't figure in my win conditions.Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 3:55 amAm I the only one who's concerned about this post? What does it mean that "Sloonei is probably not the main person we're looking for"? Are there "main" scum players that are supposed to be pursued over the others? If Sloonei is not the "main" target then who is? What does this post mean, Enrique?okay then
Who is the main person we're looking for?
They seem like good people to fixate on.
I am not sure what you are asking.sabie12 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 6:05 pmAnd then goes on to say hes confused by roles and alignments saying am I civ? Found it all weird and confusing.Enrique wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 4:03 amDoes "Jagged Blade" ring a bell?Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 4:00 amEnrique wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 3:59 amIt means you probably don't figure in my win conditions.Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 3:55 amAm I the only one who's concerned about this post? What does it mean that "Sloonei is probably not the main person we're looking for"? Are there "main" scum players that are supposed to be pursued over the others? If Sloonei is not the "main" target then who is? What does this post mean, Enrique?okay then
Who is the main person we're looking for?
Anyone have thoughts on this or is this just like randomness and jokes that I don't understand? I know theres lots of random inside jokes here that I don't get.
Do you suspect him?Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 5:33 pm Guys can we lynch Tranq? I'm pretty sure a bunch of people were saying they suspected him yesterday.
I guess I just didnt understand what was going on here or am I just not meant to?Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 6:14 pmI am not sure what you are asking.sabie12 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 6:05 pmAnd then goes on to say hes confused by roles and alignments saying am I civ? Found it all weird and confusing.Enrique wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 4:03 amDoes "Jagged Blade" ring a bell?Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 4:00 amEnrique wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 3:59 amIt means you probably don't figure in my win conditions.Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 3:55 amAm I the only one who's concerned about this post? What does it mean that "Sloonei is probably not the main person we're looking for"? Are there "main" scum players that are supposed to be pursued over the others? If Sloonei is not the "main" target then who is? What does this post mean, Enrique?okay then
Who is the main person we're looking for?
Anyone have thoughts on this or is this just like randomness and jokes that I don't understand? I know theres lots of random inside jokes here that I don't get.
Usually powers go through upon death.sabie12 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 5:53 pmSorry haven't been around much working and sleeping and then now I have a starfinder game tonight.juliets wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 3:59 pmIt's an interesting idea sprityo, one I certainly hadn't thought of. The thing I don't understand though is can a forger forge and identity like "Trickster"? I thought they only forged alignment. I haven't played many games with forgers so maybe I'm just confused.sprityo wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 3:28 pmAwareness, information to keep in mindcolonialbob wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 3:16 pmWhat is the desired outcome of discussing this for civs?sprityo wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 2:44 pm I discuss what I personally deem interesting/important.
Point 1 being I made this role concept the trickster is based off of. And I have most definitely seen it used to make a town flip as mafia looking (@ quin)
Point 2: mechanically speaking the mafia would make the town less on guard, which would further present itself as a problem later on in the game. If the trickster is still alive and can forge roles, the mafia could fake even more kills and possibly their own deaths again.
The only true way to lie detect someone who is now dead is having a mortician or someone to confirm the dead’s identity, aka what I pointed out with lycantha
Until they find TH’s body we won’t be 100% sure that we actually was the trickster
That’s all. I can’t be every player in the game so I have to make sure everyone can at least consider and dismiss or approve of information I think is relevant
I was thinking about how that actually works. What does forging a kill actually mean in the context of this game? I mean I guess if the trickster can make it look like they were the one killed no one would suspect they're still out there. Also if forging means they can make whoever they kill seem whatever role and alignment they want then initially saying their own would not cause anyone to be like hey wait I'm that role they're lying or whatnot.
And also just a game mechanic question that I attempted to ask last game but I dont think anyone answered. If TH was the trickster and targeted someone would his death cancel out that kill or would they still have been killed? As in could he have killed nutella and someone killed him or is that not how that works? Sorry if that's a dumb question I just don't know.
Also this salad posting thing I've never heard before. Is it a problem to list out reads on people? I thought that was like a part of the game.
Enrique's post was bordering on a rules violation and I do not think we should discuss it further.
i'll say more later.MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 6:21 pmYour Kyle ISO is a town read. Why are you trying to reduce the analysis pool to five people who aren't even all suspects.
Oh. I don't know either. I take it as a joke, but Enrique should explain himself.
I just didnt know what forge means exactly. My wording is probably not good sorry. I was merely saying if the trickster forges a kill and it says whoever they killed is a role of someone who is still alive then that person who is that role will know that was false. So it's something they could really only get away with once unless they have a team and just pretend the baddie team is being killed off when its civs.LoRab wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 6:24 pmUsually powers go through upon death.sabie12 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 5:53 pmSorry haven't been around much working and sleeping and then now I have a starfinder game tonight.juliets wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 3:59 pmIt's an interesting idea sprityo, one I certainly hadn't thought of. The thing I don't understand though is can a forger forge and identity like "Trickster"? I thought they only forged alignment. I haven't played many games with forgers so maybe I'm just confused.sprityo wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 3:28 pmAwareness, information to keep in mindcolonialbob wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 3:16 pmWhat is the desired outcome of discussing this for civs?sprityo wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 2:44 pm I discuss what I personally deem interesting/important.
Point 1 being I made this role concept the trickster is based off of. And I have most definitely seen it used to make a town flip as mafia looking (@ quin)
Point 2: mechanically speaking the mafia would make the town less on guard, which would further present itself as a problem later on in the game. If the trickster is still alive and can forge roles, the mafia could fake even more kills and possibly their own deaths again.
The only true way to lie detect someone who is now dead is having a mortician or someone to confirm the dead’s identity, aka what I pointed out with lycantha
Until they find TH’s body we won’t be 100% sure that we actually was the trickster
That’s all. I can’t be every player in the game so I have to make sure everyone can at least consider and dismiss or approve of information I think is relevant
I was thinking about how that actually works. What does forging a kill actually mean in the context of this game? I mean I guess if the trickster can make it look like they were the one killed no one would suspect they're still out there. Also if forging means they can make whoever they kill seem whatever role and alignment they want then initially saying their own would not cause anyone to be like hey wait I'm that role they're lying or whatnot.
And also just a game mechanic question that I attempted to ask last game but I dont think anyone answered. If TH was the trickster and targeted someone would his death cancel out that kill or would they still have been killed? As in could he have killed nutella and someone killed him or is that not how that works? Sorry if that's a dumb question I just don't know.
Also this salad posting thing I've never heard before. Is it a problem to list out reads on people? I thought that was like a part of the game.
In this case, it wouldn’t make sense what you outline. Why would he name that role for LA? You seem to understand the role just fine at first, but then you are putting out confusing ideas.
But that person would have to put themselves to say that it wasn’t true. The trickester only makes sense as a baddie role. If we take the post for granted, we know it was part of a mafia team. But say the trickster were an Indy sk. By saying that th was the trickster and on a team, they throw everyone off.sabie12 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 6:31 pmI just didnt know what forge means exactly. My wording is probably not good sorry. I was merely saying if the trickster forges a kill and it says whoever they killed is a role of someone who is still alive then that person who is that role will know that was false. So it's something they could really only get away with once unless they have a team and just pretend the baddie team is being killed off when its civs.LoRab wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 6:24 pmUsually powers go through upon death.sabie12 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 5:53 pmSorry haven't been around much working and sleeping and then now I have a starfinder game tonight.juliets wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 3:59 pmIt's an interesting idea sprityo, one I certainly hadn't thought of. The thing I don't understand though is can a forger forge and identity like "Trickster"? I thought they only forged alignment. I haven't played many games with forgers so maybe I'm just confused.sprityo wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 3:28 pmAwareness, information to keep in mindcolonialbob wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 3:16 pmWhat is the desired outcome of discussing this for civs?sprityo wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 2:44 pm I discuss what I personally deem interesting/important.
Point 1 being I made this role concept the trickster is based off of. And I have most definitely seen it used to make a town flip as mafia looking (@ quin)
Point 2: mechanically speaking the mafia would make the town less on guard, which would further present itself as a problem later on in the game. If the trickster is still alive and can forge roles, the mafia could fake even more kills and possibly their own deaths again.
The only true way to lie detect someone who is now dead is having a mortician or someone to confirm the dead’s identity, aka what I pointed out with lycantha
Until they find TH’s body we won’t be 100% sure that we actually was the trickster
That’s all. I can’t be every player in the game so I have to make sure everyone can at least consider and dismiss or approve of information I think is relevant
I was thinking about how that actually works. What does forging a kill actually mean in the context of this game? I mean I guess if the trickster can make it look like they were the one killed no one would suspect they're still out there. Also if forging means they can make whoever they kill seem whatever role and alignment they want then initially saying their own would not cause anyone to be like hey wait I'm that role they're lying or whatnot.
And also just a game mechanic question that I attempted to ask last game but I dont think anyone answered. If TH was the trickster and targeted someone would his death cancel out that kill or would they still have been killed? As in could he have killed nutella and someone killed him or is that not how that works? Sorry if that's a dumb question I just don't know.
Also this salad posting thing I've never heard before. Is it a problem to list out reads on people? I thought that was like a part of the game.
In this case, it wouldn’t make sense what you outline. Why would he name that role for LA? You seem to understand the role just fine at first, but then you are putting out confusing ideas.
Uh... yes? I was into the Tranq wagon before it was cool. Then it became cool for a while, then it stopped being cool again. I want people to think I'm trendy and popular by voting for the guy I think is bad.S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 6:14 pmDo you suspect him?Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 5:33 pm Guys can we lynch Tranq? I'm pretty sure a bunch of people were saying they suspected him yesterday.
*eye twitches*Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 6:26 pmi'll say more later.MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 6:21 pmYour Kyle ISO is a town read. Why are you trying to reduce the analysis pool to five people who aren't even all suspects.
I always do things. When you figure out which things let me know
CoolDragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 7:11 pmUh... yes? I was into the Tranq wagon before it was cool. Then it became cool for a while, then it stopped being cool again. I want people to think I'm trendy and popular by voting for the guy I think is bad.S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 6:14 pmDo you suspect him?Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 5:33 pm Guys can we lynch Tranq? I'm pretty sure a bunch of people were saying they suspected him yesterday.