It's a Mysterious Universe (D6)

[nutella]

Not confirmed as
A) Has a chance not to work.
B) You couuld have a different mafia carry the kill as you are in a chat and another mafia carrys it.

TL if you acknowledge that you know B) then why were you trying to get yourself cleared by having the punk gang roleblock you

were you trying to go for a cheap townclear

Naw i just didn't want to sstop a town menber.

I was the first to vote and honestly outside the group was unsure of stuff.
And if mafia controled if it worked or not best choice is someone with out a power action and thouse not losing power on a towny

why not angle for a roleblock on whoever you suspected the most strongly in punk chat rather than yourself? if your opinion is that the people in the thread are so townie that you'd be scared of roleblocking a townie if you fire into them, why not block someone in the punk chat you suspected?

yeah

[TonyStarkPrime]

I thought none of them had actions they just had the collective block, an RB does nothing on a member of the group.

Correct as far as I know.

do you have action(s) now?

[nutella]

Not confirmed as
A) Has a chance not to work.
B) You couuld have a different mafia carry the kill as you are in a chat and another mafia carrys it.

TL if you acknowledge that you know B) then why were you trying to get yourself cleared by having the punk gang roleblock you

were you trying to go for a cheap townclear

Naw i just didn't want to sstop a town menber.

I was the first to vote and honestly outside the group was unsure of stuff.
And if mafia controled if it worked or not best choice is someone with out a power action and thouse not losing power on a towny

why not angle for a roleblock on whoever you suspected the most strongly in punk chat rather than yourself? if your opinion is that the people in the thread are so townie that you'd be scared of roleblocking a townie if you fire into them, why not block someone in the punk chat you suspected?

CAUSE I WAS THINKING MAFIA CONTROLS IF IT WORKS OR NOT.

that makes zero sense

[nutella]

the fact that TL didn't think about how much that doesn't make sense makes me think he's probably just town lmao

[TonyStarkPrime]

no it does what

[Hyena]

I'm liking Tony more from interacting with them. I don't like Turnip's vote on him anymore. o:

[TonyStarkPrime]

wait yeah it doesn't

[Trustworthy Liberal]

Not confirmed as
A) Has a chance not to work.
B) You couuld have a different mafia carry the kill as you are in a chat and another mafia carrys it.

TL if you acknowledge that you know B) then why were you trying to get yourself cleared by having the punk gang roleblock you

were you trying to go for a cheap townclear

Naw i just didn't want to sstop a town menber.

I was the first to vote and honestly outside the group was unsure of stuff.
And if mafia controled if it worked or not best choice is someone with out a power action and thouse not losing power on a towny

why not angle for a roleblock on whoever you suspected the most strongly in punk chat rather than yourself? if your opinion is that the people in the thread are so townie that you'd be scared of roleblocking a townie if you fire into them, why not block someone in the punk chat you suspected?

CAUSE I WAS THINKING MAFIA CONTROLS IF IT WORKS OR NOT.

that makes zero sense

All i know is there was a way for it not to work.
If mafia are the ones contoling it and/or the person in chat that is mafia gets to pick.

Always targeting someone without an action is rand better then a holster.
I casses of a voyeur type thing so we could know.

[Hyena]

I thought none of them had actions they just had the collective block, an RB does nothing on a member of the group.

Correct as far as I know.

do you have action(s) now?

Not outside of doing the vote for someone to get RB'd with the others.

[nutella]

[mention]Turnip Head[/mention] vote alison with me lel

[Trustworthy Liberal]

the fact that TL didn't think about how much that doesn't make sense makes me think he's probably just town lmao

it makes sense in my head

[TonyStarkPrime]

It's weird to me that Marmot didn't reveal that he was the one who controlled that.

[TonyStarkPrime]

I thought none of them had actions they just had the collective block, an RB does nothing on a member of the group.

Correct as far as I know.

do you have action(s) now?

Not outside of doing the vote for someone to get RB'd with the others.

wait hold on that's significant

[nutella]

the fact that TL didn't think about how much that doesn't make sense makes me think he's probably just town lmao

it makes sense in my head

it doesn't. if you guys correctly suspected someone and tried to block them the mafia in your group would just always prevent it if that was the case and you would never be able to have a positive effect on the game. it's fucking nonsensical

[Hyena]

@Turnip Head vote alison with me lel

I'm considering switching to Alison just to tie things up. >:D

[TonyStarkPrime]

TL do you have an action now

[nutella]

TL is just town lol

[Hyena]

I thought none of them had actions they just had the collective block, an RB does nothing on a member of the group.

Correct as far as I know.

do you have action(s) now?

Not outside of doing the vote for someone to get RB'd with the others.

wait hold on that's significant

How so?

[TonyStarkPrime]

the fact that TL didn't think about how much that doesn't make sense makes me think he's probably just town lmao

it makes sense in my head

it doesn't. if you guys correctly suspected someone and tried to block them the mafia in your group would just always prevent it if that was the case and you would never be able to have a positive effect on the game. it's fucking nonsensical

you forget: there's a lost wolf and multiple day threads. There are multiple ways to orient it so that it makes sense.

It also makes zero sense if TL is a wolf, right?

[Trustworthy Liberal]

the fact that TL didn't think about how much that doesn't make sense makes me think he's probably just town lmao

it makes sense in my head

it doesn't. if you guys correctly suspected someone and tried to block them the mafia in your group would just always prevent it if that was the case and you would never be able to have a positive effect on the game. it's fucking nonsensical

i've seen it before in a game and why i beleive it is possible here again.

[Trustworthy Liberal]

TL do you have an action now

Just the vote thing

[Hyena]

It's weird to me that Marmot didn't reveal that he was the one who controlled that.

In addition to the stuff I said previously about Marmot, I also don't feel like he acted as a good mouth piece for punk chat. o:

[Alison]

yuck

unfortunately I sort of believe that TL legitimately believes that mafia controls the roleblock just due to the way that they're arguing for it

so if they're mafia they're TMI-ing that mafia does control the roleblock and if they're town they just didn't think it true

[TonyStarkPrime]

I thought none of them had actions they just had the collective block, an RB does nothing on a member of the group.

Correct as far as I know.

do you have action(s) now?

Not outside of doing the vote for someone to get RB'd with the others.

wait hold on that's significant

How so?

it means random roles weren't thrown into the punk chat, the roles in the punk chat were designed for the punk chat. Since alignment is distributed randomly, it lifts any pseudo barrier that would have only allowed for 1 wolf in punk chat.

[Alison]

what was the phrasing of the way the roleblock worked? was it something like "you may vote for who to roleblock etc. and it might or might not go through"?

[nutella]

the fact that TL didn't think about how much that doesn't make sense makes me think he's probably just town lmao

it makes sense in my head

it doesn't. if you guys correctly suspected someone and tried to block them the mafia in your group would just always prevent it if that was the case and you would never be able to have a positive effect on the game. it's fucking nonsensical

you forget: there's a lost wolf and multiple day threads. There are multiple ways to orient it so that it makes sense.

It also makes zero sense if TL is a wolf, right?

oh yeah lost wolf


hrm

[TonyStarkPrime]

yuck

unfortunately I sort of believe that TL legitimately believes that mafia controls the roleblock just due to the way that they're arguing for it

so if they're mafia they're TMI-ing that mafia does control the roleblock and if they're town they just didn't think it true

oh tl marmot

[Hyena]

I thought none of them had actions they just had the collective block, an RB does nothing on a member of the group.

Correct as far as I know.

do you have action(s) now?

Not outside of doing the vote for someone to get RB'd with the others.

wait hold on that's significant

How so?

it means random roles weren't thrown into the punk chat, the roles in the punk chat were designed for the punk chat. Since alignment is distributed randomly, it lifts any pseudo barrier that would have only allowed for 1 wolf in punk chat.

Ohhh, okay.

[TonyStarkPrime]

But there are independent reasons to think not TL marmot

[nutella]

It's weird to me that Marmot didn't reveal that he was the one who controlled that.

In addition to the stuff I said previously about Marmot, I also don't feel like he acted as a good mouth piece for punk chat. o:

that's fair, he was pretty cagey, but I think that may be chalked up to his personality/style

[nutella]

yuck

unfortunately I sort of believe that TL legitimately believes that mafia controls the roleblock just due to the way that they're arguing for it

so if they're mafia they're TMI-ing that mafia does control the roleblock and if they're town they just didn't think it true

well I think most of us read FG's role as answering that question though I guess it's not definitive

[Hyena]

what was the phrasing of the way the roleblock worked? was it something like "you may vote for who to roleblock etc. and it might or might not go through"?

Yeah, something like that. And then it also said something about if we didn't come to a consensus enough times, someone would get randomly picked and die. ;-;

[Alison]

what if TL was the lost wolf who angled for a roleblock on himself because he was afraid of the punk chat roleblocking the mafia?

and if he's lost he wouldn't know who his mafia buddy was which means that any roleblock could potentially be disastrous, except on himself, the one person he knows isn't performing the nightkill

[nutella]

what if TL was the lost wolf who angled for a roleblock on himself because he was afraid of the punk chat roleblocking the mafia?

and if he's lost he wouldn't know who his mafia buddy was which means that any roleblock could potentially be disastrous, except on himself, the one person he knows isn't performing the nightkill

hmmmmmmmm

[Hyena]

Wait.... WAIT.... I THINK I GET WHAT TONY IS SAYING NOW ABOUT THE RB!!!

[Trustworthy Liberal]

what if TL was the lost wolf who angled for a roleblock on himself because he was afraid of the punk chat roleblocking the mafia?

and if he's lost he wouldn't know who his mafia buddy was which means that any roleblock could potentially be disastrous, except on himself, the one person he knows isn't performing the nightkill

This reads as Alison is mafia and needs me mis elminated to win.

[Hyena]

Wait.... WAIT.... I THINK I GET WHAT TONY IS SAYING NOW ABOUT THE RB!!!

There can be MORE than one wolf in punk chat, and if this is the case, Marmot is always town here! Because that would balance out the wolves almost having majority over punk chat!!!

[TonyStarkPrime]

what if TL was the lost wolf who angled for a roleblock on himself because he was afraid of the punk chat roleblocking the mafia?

and if he's lost he wouldn't know who his mafia buddy was which means that any roleblock could potentially be disastrous, except on himself, the one person he knows isn't performing the nightkill

This reads as Alison is mafia and needs me mis elminated to win.

1) yes that's how I read it
2) I mean it makes sense

[TonyStarkPrime]

Wait.... WAIT.... I THINK I GET WHAT TONY IS SAYING NOW ABOUT THE RB!!!

There can be MORE than one wolf in punk chat, and if this is the case, Marmot is always town here! Because that would balance out the wolves almost having majority over punk chat!!!

wait what

[TonyStarkPrime]

what if TL was the lost wolf who angled for a roleblock on himself because he was afraid of the punk chat roleblocking the mafia?

and if he's lost he wouldn't know who his mafia buddy was which means that any roleblock could potentially be disastrous, except on himself, the one person he knows isn't performing the nightkill

This reads as Alison is mafia and needs me mis elminated to win.

1) yes that's how I read it
2) I mean it makes sense

where it is what Alison said

[nutella]

Wait.... WAIT.... I THINK I GET WHAT TONY IS SAYING NOW ABOUT THE RB!!!

There can be MORE than one wolf in punk chat, and if this is the case, Marmot is always town here! Because that would balance out the wolves almost having majority over punk chat!!!

huh

idk i'd be pretty surprised if there were 2 wolves in the original 4? bc that would imply d2 in main thread had zero mafia which...no

[TonyStarkPrime]

Wait.... WAIT.... I THINK I GET WHAT TONY IS SAYING NOW ABOUT THE RB!!!

There can be MORE than one wolf in punk chat, and if this is the case, Marmot is always town here! Because that would balance out the wolves almost having majority over punk chat!!!

huh

idk i'd be pretty surprised if there were 2 wolves in the original 4? bc that would imply d2 in main thread had zero mafia which...no

Who did the Bayes post in S7 we need them

[Alison]

what if TL was the lost wolf who angled for a roleblock on himself because he was afraid of the punk chat roleblocking the mafia?

and if he's lost he wouldn't know who his mafia buddy was which means that any roleblock could potentially be disastrous, except on himself, the one person he knows isn't performing the nightkill

This reads as Alison is mafia and needs me mis elminated to win.

this reads as TL is mafia and did exactly what I outlined in his post and then internally died when I said his exact plan

[Hyena]

Wait.... WAIT.... I THINK I GET WHAT TONY IS SAYING NOW ABOUT THE RB!!!

There can be MORE than one wolf in punk chat, and if this is the case, Marmot is always town here! Because that would balance out the wolves almost having majority over punk chat!!!

wait what

Think about it. If there are two town and two scum in the punk chat, both sides have an equal opportunity to push who they want to get RB'd. Also, keep in mind that if we don't come to a consensus, we eventually die, so there's incentive to just come to an agreement on someone. However, Marmot can just veto that RB if they think it's a bad RB, or one that comes from scum. Does that make any sense?

[Hyena]

Wait.... WAIT.... I THINK I GET WHAT TONY IS SAYING NOW ABOUT THE RB!!!

There can be MORE than one wolf in punk chat, and if this is the case, Marmot is always town here! Because that would balance out the wolves almost having majority over punk chat!!!

wait what

Think about it. If there are two town and two scum in the punk chat, both sides have an equal opportunity to push who they want to get RB'd. Also, keep in mind that if we don't come to a consensus, we eventually die, so there's incentive to just come to an agreement on someone. However, Marmot can just veto that RB if they think it's a bad RB, or one that comes from scum. Does that make any sense?

And if this is the case, Trustworthy is actually pretty towny for wanting to vote themself, and TSP is town for being the consensus on N2.

[Hyena]

Wait.... WAIT.... I THINK I GET WHAT TONY IS SAYING NOW ABOUT THE RB!!!

There can be MORE than one wolf in punk chat, and if this is the case, Marmot is always town here! Because that would balance out the wolves almost having majority over punk chat!!!

wait what

Think about it. If there are two town and two scum in the punk chat, both sides have an equal opportunity to push who they want to get RB'd. Also, keep in mind that if we don't come to a consensus, we eventually die, so there's incentive to just come to an agreement on someone. However, Marmot can just veto that RB if they think it's a bad RB, or one that comes from scum. Does that make any sense?

And if this is the case, Trustworthy is actually pretty towny for wanting to vote themself, and TSP is town for being the consensus on N2.

OMG, it could actually be Quin and Turnip!

[Alison]

Wait.... WAIT.... I THINK I GET WHAT TONY IS SAYING NOW ABOUT THE RB!!!

There can be MORE than one wolf in punk chat, and if this is the case, Marmot is always town here! Because that would balance out the wolves almost having majority over punk chat!!!

wait what

Think about it. If there are two town and two scum in the punk chat, both sides have an equal opportunity to push who they want to get RB'd. Also, keep in mind that if we don't come to a consensus, we eventually die, so there's incentive to just come to an agreement on someone. However, Marmot can just veto that RB if they think it's a bad RB, or one that comes from scum. Does that make any sense?

And if this is the case, Trustworthy is actually pretty towny for wanting to vote themself, and TSP is town for being the consensus on N2.

so I follow your initial post about the mechanics suggesting marmot being town, but I don't follow this one about trustworthy and TSP being town for that.

[Alison]

wait I actually don't follow your initial post sorry

[Alison]

you're suggesting that in a world where 2 members of the punk chat are scum, marmot is the townie sent by nanook to bring balance to the force; that makes sense, but how do you know that 2 members of the punk chat are scum?

[Alison]

you're suggesting that in a world where 2 members of the punk chat are scum, marmot is the townie sent by nanook to bring balance to the force; that makes sense, but how do you know that 2 members of the punk chat are scum?

hm

the word "consensus" suggests that even 1 dissenter in the punk chat would lead everyone in the punk chat to die

if there was 1 scum and 4 town in the punk chat then that 1 scum could intentionally vote against the consensus and just open wolf to blow up 4 town along with themselves, which is a pretty good trade

So maybe the protection against this strategy is that there's 2 scum in the punk chat, so they'd be trading 2 mafia for 3 town if they did that, which would be balanced