Re: Fleabag Mafia d2
Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2021 12:21 am
I said underneath it that he would basically try to pull stronger towns into the POE to have MLs available.
I did not feel like he pushed hard enough for that to be the case. And beyond that, I thought his suspicion of me looked authentic. But let’s ask @ilario how he currently feels anout sloonei/jjj/dizzy.Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 12:22 amI said underneath it that he would basically try to pull stronger towns into the POE to have MLs available.
Since they're kinda coring up if all of them are town.
He wouldn't want to be boxed in so he would try to force some room.
I can express what I have done as mafia before, and what I could theoretically do given whatever game state. I did that much already in this game.G-Man wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 12:16 amThose posts all made me think 'wait, what?'JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 12:02 am G-Man I feel like you picked random posts out of my ISO to suggest are unlike me. That stuff is vintage.![]()
I for one refuse to believe that you 'forget' how to play as a baddie, especially if you've had success as one. Besides, I would think that your scientific approach to the game should be easy to reverse-engineer for when you land a baddie role card.
I do not agree that those “pingy” posts you highlighted from him are concerning or unusual. The last one is one that specifically reinforced my town read on him.
do you mind talking a little bit about why you think illario/falcon is T v W specifically? why can't they be wolves together?
Fuck you're right, I just iso'd him. I thought he was townreading me Day 1 for some reason.staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 12:28 am @Lime Coke -
do you mind pointing me to where illario townread you on d1? i just looked through his progression on you, and he was pretty consistent about finding you wolfy throughout the day. i think there's a pretty natural build-up of illario being suspicious of you & then deciding to vote you regardless of his alignment
does it impact your overall read on illario?Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 12:31 amFuck you're right, I just iso'd him. I thought he was townreading me Day 1 for some reason.staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 12:28 am @Lime Coke -
do you mind pointing me to where illario townread you on d1? i just looked through his progression on you, and he was pretty consistent about finding you wolfy throughout the day. i think there's a pretty natural build-up of illario being suspicious of you & then deciding to vote you regardless of his alignment
I still don't understand his read on me though.
Because Falcon's just planting his vote on Illario both day phases and not moving. I know both can do well with distancing but that would kinda be ridiculous? Don't you think?staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 12:31 amdo you mind talking a little bit about why you think illario/falcon is T v W specifically? why can't they be wolves together?
also, if illario wasn't getting chopped today, who would you wanna vote next?
That last one felt out of place for me for two reasons:Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 12:26 amI do not agree that those “pingy” posts you highlighted from him are concerning or unusual. The last one is one that specifically reinforced my town read on him.
Bleh, I'm still not a fan? I doubt he'd misunderstand me being cautious of him being a good wolf and me saying it's gambling to townread him early? Even he kinda knows this?staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 12:32 amdoes it impact your overall read on illario?Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 12:31 amFuck you're right, I just iso'd him. I thought he was townreading me Day 1 for some reason.staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 12:28 am @Lime Coke -
do you mind pointing me to where illario townread you on d1? i just looked through his progression on you, and he was pretty consistent about finding you wolfy throughout the day. i think there's a pretty natural build-up of illario being suspicious of you & then deciding to vote you regardless of his alignment
I still don't understand his read on me though.
Update:JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 12:32 am I just grabbed my whole-ass phone hand and pinned it like a snake to prevent it from snap voting Lime Coke.
and of course, i would love to hear lime coke explain why he thinks that ilario would definitely not have that read on him as a villager. you didn't seem to take an inherent issue with ilario's reasoning for being suspicious of you on d1, so why is it wolf-indicative for you now?staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 12:54 am @ilario -
when you get the chance, could you please discuss your read on lime coke in more detail? it is true that you briefly engaged with lime coke about your concerns, (https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 18#p855818), accepted lime coke's explanation, (https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 33#p855833), and then brought up the exact same concern a dayphase later. is there anything else about lime coke that you find especially concerning?
the question here, i think, is whether or not it's wolfy for ilario to wolfread lime coke with that specific reasoning. given that:
A. illario had a pretty gradual build-up of suspicion of lime coke throughout his ISO
B. illario made other posts that implied his issues with lime coke extended beyond: "i don't like he outed his read on me" (https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 727#p85572)
C. illario tends to read other players based on how they are reading him
i do not think that his read on lime coke is inherently wolfy. it fits with whatever conception i have of what an "illario wolfread" looks like. i find it believable that the read could come from ilario as a villager, but it would help me a lot if he was more specific about his concerns
Because I thought he was townreading me Day 1.staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 12:56 amand of course, i would love to hear lime coke explain why he thinks that ilario would definitely not have that read on him as a villager. you didn't seem to take an inherent issue with ilario's reasoning for being suspicious of you on d1, so why is it wolf-indicative for you now?staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 12:54 am @ilario -
when you get the chance, could you please discuss your read on lime coke in more detail? it is true that you briefly engaged with lime coke about your concerns, (https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 18#p855818), accepted lime coke's explanation, (https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 33#p855833), and then brought up the exact same concern a dayphase later. is there anything else about lime coke that you find especially concerning?
the question here, i think, is whether or not it's wolfy for ilario to wolfread lime coke with that specific reasoning. given that:
A. illario had a pretty gradual build-up of suspicion of lime coke throughout his ISO
B. illario made other posts that implied his issues with lime coke extended beyond: "i don't like he outed his read on me" (https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 727#p85572)
C. illario tends to read other players based on how they are reading him
i do not think that his read on lime coke is inherently wolfy. it fits with whatever conception i have of what an "illario wolfread" looks like. i find it believable that the read could come from ilario as a villager, but it would help me a lot if he was more specific about his concerns
My vote is already there in spirit. The looming hammer is the only thing keeping it off.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 12:40 amUpdate:JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 12:32 am I just grabbed my whole-ass phone hand and pinned it like a snake to prevent it from snap voting Lime Coke.
My snake hand is still pinned, but it is shrieking like some kind of horrible banshee and snapping at my face. It wants the phone back. It’s pissed. I don’t know how long I can keep it at bay.
perhaps i'm just being nitpicky, but:Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 12:58 amBecause I thought he was townreading me Day 1.staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 12:56 amand of course, i would love to hear lime coke explain why he thinks that ilario would definitely not have that read on him as a villager. you didn't seem to take an inherent issue with ilario's reasoning for being suspicious of you on d1, so why is it wolf-indicative for you now?staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 12:54 am @ilario -
when you get the chance, could you please discuss your read on lime coke in more detail? it is true that you briefly engaged with lime coke about your concerns, (https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 18#p855818), accepted lime coke's explanation, (https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 33#p855833), and then brought up the exact same concern a dayphase later. is there anything else about lime coke that you find especially concerning?
the question here, i think, is whether or not it's wolfy for ilario to wolfread lime coke with that specific reasoning. given that:
A. illario had a pretty gradual build-up of suspicion of lime coke throughout his ISO
B. illario made other posts that implied his issues with lime coke extended beyond: "i don't like he outed his read on me" (https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 727#p85572)
C. illario tends to read other players based on how they are reading him
i do not think that his read on lime coke is inherently wolfy. it fits with whatever conception i have of what an "illario wolfread" looks like. i find it believable that the read could come from ilario as a villager, but it would help me a lot if he was more specific about his concerns
the framing of your read on ilario in this post implies that you are suspicious of illario because of the specific reasoning that he is using to be suspicious of you. but illario used that specific reasoning to voice suspicions of you on d1, and you did not seem to take any issue or concern with itLime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 12:35 amBleh, I'm still not a fan? I doubt he'd misunderstand me being cautious of him being a good wolf and me saying it's gambling to townread him early? Even he kinda knows this?staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 12:32 amdoes it impact your overall read on illario?Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 12:31 amFuck you're right, I just iso'd him. I thought he was townreading me Day 1 for some reason.staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 12:28 am @Lime Coke -
do you mind pointing me to where illario townread you on d1? i just looked through his progression on you, and he was pretty consistent about finding you wolfy throughout the day. i think there's a pretty natural build-up of illario being suspicious of you & then deciding to vote you regardless of his alignment
I still don't understand his read on me though.
You would as well.
mind talking about that a little more? what re-ignited your concern about illario?JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 1:07 am “Oh. My premise against ilario was actually false, after I reviewed every page.
Uh. ilario still mafia.”
JJJ is struggling with this one.
Well I knew that he said that early day 1, but he brought it back up when he's stated that there's other ways to read me? It's weird that he goes off of THAT alone.staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 1:05 amperhaps i'm just being nitpicky, but:Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 12:58 amBecause I thought he was townreading me Day 1.staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 12:56 amand of course, i would love to hear lime coke explain why he thinks that ilario would definitely not have that read on him as a villager. you didn't seem to take an inherent issue with ilario's reasoning for being suspicious of you on d1, so why is it wolf-indicative for you now?staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 12:54 am @ilario -
when you get the chance, could you please discuss your read on lime coke in more detail? it is true that you briefly engaged with lime coke about your concerns, (https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 18#p855818), accepted lime coke's explanation, (https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 33#p855833), and then brought up the exact same concern a dayphase later. is there anything else about lime coke that you find especially concerning?
the question here, i think, is whether or not it's wolfy for ilario to wolfread lime coke with that specific reasoning. given that:
A. illario had a pretty gradual build-up of suspicion of lime coke throughout his ISO
B. illario made other posts that implied his issues with lime coke extended beyond: "i don't like he outed his read on me" (https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 727#p85572)
C. illario tends to read other players based on how they are reading him
i do not think that his read on lime coke is inherently wolfy. it fits with whatever conception i have of what an "illario wolfread" looks like. i find it believable that the read could come from ilario as a villager, but it would help me a lot if he was more specific about his concerns
the framing of your read on ilario in this post implies that you are suspicious of illario because of the specific reasoning that he is using to be suspicious of you. but illario used that specific reasoning to voice suspicions of you on d1, and you did not seem to take any issue or concern with itLime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 12:35 amBleh, I'm still not a fan? I doubt he'd misunderstand me being cautious of him being a good wolf and me saying it's gambling to townread him early? Even he kinda knows this?staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 12:32 amdoes it impact your overall read on illario?Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 12:31 amFuck you're right, I just iso'd him. I thought he was townreading me Day 1 for some reason.staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 12:28 am @Lime Coke -
do you mind pointing me to where illario townread you on d1? i just looked through his progression on you, and he was pretty consistent about finding you wolfy throughout the day. i think there's a pretty natural build-up of illario being suspicious of you & then deciding to vote you regardless of his alignment
I still don't understand his read on me though.
You would as well.
i know that you thought that he townread you on d1, but it does raise some red flags that you are suddenly acting like a thought by illario that was posted an entire dayphase ago is inherently wolfy
regardless of any of that, i would find it really helpful if you talked about your read on illario in more detail. if you feel up to it, maybe even look through his ISO and point out some posts you find wolfy?
u done gudstaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 1:11 am i've gotta go cook, but all i wanna do right now is refresh the thread, lol. it sucks that i don't have more time because i think this game is very solvable with the right dialogue
I kinda feel like I'm fucking this up but yeah it's fine.staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 1:11 am i've gotta go cook, but all i wanna do right now is refresh the thread, lol. it sucks that i don't have more time because i think this game is very solvable with the right dialogue
Let’s look into a few where you are chopped and flip town. What does your ghost recommend we do?Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 1:12 amI kinda feel like I'm fucking this up but yeah it's fine.staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 1:11 am i've gotta go cook, but all i wanna do right now is refresh the thread, lol. it sucks that i don't have more time because i think this game is very solvable with the right dialogue
I’m referring to Lime Coke rather than to ilario. If I understand the dialogue, you showed him that a premise on which he was doubting ilario was untrue, and it apparently was irrelevant and the doubts remained. I don’t get it on Lime’s part.staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 1:09 ammind talking about that a little more? what re-ignited your concern about illario?JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 1:07 am “Oh. My premise against ilario was actually false, after I reviewed every page.
Uh. ilario still mafia.”
JJJ is struggling with this one.
Probably because I thought I was right on that one and was trying to force it.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 1:15 amI’m referring to Lime Coke rather than to ilario. If I understand the dialogue, you showed him that a premise on which he was doubting ilario was untrue, and it apparently was irrelevant and the doubts remained. I don’t get it on Lime’s part.staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 1:09 ammind talking about that a little more? what re-ignited your concern about illario?JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 1:07 am “Oh. My premise against ilario was actually false, after I reviewed every page.
Uh. ilario still mafia.”
JJJ is struggling with this one.
A) the sus wasn’t build up. It was there from the beginning, I just didn’t want to express it immediately because I hate it when people gang up on lc regardless of his alignment. I wanted him to settle into the game first to avoid any potential toxicity.staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 12:54 am @ilario -
when you get the chance, could you please discuss your read on lime coke in more detail? it is true that you briefly engaged with lime coke about your concerns, (https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 18#p855818), accepted lime coke's explanation, (https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 33#p855833), and then brought up the exact same concern a dayphase later. is there anything else about lime coke that you find especially concerning?
the question here, i think, is whether or not it's wolfy for ilario to wolfread lime coke with that specific reasoning. given that:
A. illario had a pretty gradual build-up of suspicion of lime coke throughout his ISO
B. illario made other posts that implied his issues with lime coke extended beyond: "i don't like he outed his read on me" (https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 727#p85572)
C. illario tends to read other players based on how they are reading him
i do not think that his read on lime coke is inherently wolfy. it fits with whatever conception i have of what an "illario wolfread" looks like. i find it believable that the read could come from ilario as a villager, but it would help me a lot if he was more specific about his concerns
Jay is playing like you this game, so if he flips mafia should I just assume that makes you mafia?Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:33 pmNot without digging into the archives. Mountain Mafia was more than a couple years ago. If my foggy memory is correct, there was an instance where I fundamentally disagreed with an argument he was making, and that was the final nail in the coffin. But I can’t recall much more than that, and I would not give that game too much weight given that it was so long ago.ilario wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:26 pmCan you go into what he did in those two games that made him look scummy to you? What’s the differences between his townplay and scum game ?
My thought process when I caught him in the multiball game was more or less “Jay is playing like me. I am mafia. Therefore Jay is also mafia.” So not super helpful here.
I don’t think I ever voiced a tr on you?Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 12:17 amPage 26
Ughhhhh, a "pop the ego balloon" post. I townread these because I do the same thing.
Illario thinks the same thing on the same page. Dammit, are you town?
Totally NAI but I'm having fun reading Johanna using the spoiler gimmicks. Can we keep her around for a while?
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Illario spends a lot of time trying to get JJJ, Sloonei, and Dizzy all to come under some scrutiny. This could be based as town because Illario tries to find deep wolves in most games.
At the same time this could easily be a mafia trying to bring MLs into the POE.
Marmot votes Sloonei after Illario states slight sus of him.
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.....ilario wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:57 amLc is probably scum tbhSloonei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:49 amWhy have Jay and I slid in your view? Either individually or as the unit that we are.
Also I am interested in your Lime Coke thoughts.
You and jay mostly slid just because I found Johanna and NAA to be very towny today. At which point I reached a threshold of having too many townreads. At that point I asked myself who am I more likely to be misreading. On one hand I have players such as Johanna, naa, soa who seem relatively new to FM. On the other hand I have seasoned vets with a decade worth of experience who were are commanding voices in the game that’s leading us to a poe that I don’t feel all to comfortable with. At that point I figured it’s likely that I’m misreading someone in the latter.
I did not factor dizzy into this because dizzy is![]()
whut?
.....
Didn't you townread me Day 1?
You’re free to read this as a pocket attempt: but it will take a miracle for me to vote dizzy this game. Even if the watcher claims dizzy visited spf I would first thing that the watcher is lying or dizzy is a sw than believe that dizzy is mafiaSloonei wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 12:24 amI did not feel like he pushed hard enough for that to be the case. And beyond that, I thought his suspicion of me looked authentic. But let’s ask @ilario how he currently feels anout sloonei/jjj/dizzy.Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 12:22 amI said underneath it that he would basically try to pull stronger towns into the POE to have MLs available.
Since they're kinda coring up if all of them are town.
He wouldn't want to be boxed in so he would try to force some room.
I don't mind doing this, but what value do you see here?JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 12:29 am @Lime Coke I think it’d be valuable if you and @Marmot could discuss your suspicions.
This line from Falcon is kinda gross just based on the merit of him posting this 2 hours after the day started. Like could be timezone difference or whatever reasoning he's not going to be here at SOD every day for every game. Feels like he'd be stacking the deck in order to have his viewpoint look solid.