Fleabag Mafia mafia win

[Sloonei]

Illario spends a lot of time trying to get JJJ, Sloonei, and Dizzy all to come under some scrutiny. This could be based as town because Illario tries to find deep wolves in most games.

Why does mafia ilario do this here?

[Lime Coke]

So I'm pretty sure Illario stated a townread on me.

Never spoke about me for a while.

Then Sloonei mentions me to Illario, and he just says "Yeah he's mafia."

Then he votes me.

His reasoning being "I feel like he would flat out townread me, and not have to say anything about it being dangerous."

When in reality he knows he's a pretty good wolf so he'd understand that I'd still have paranoia of him and I don't out townreads within a few posts on him? I usually wait somewhat longer.

[Lime Coke]

Illario spends a lot of time trying to get JJJ, Sloonei, and Dizzy all to come under some scrutiny. This could be based as town because Illario tries to find deep wolves in most games.

Why does mafia ilario do this here?

I said underneath it that he would basically try to pull stronger towns into the POE to have MLs available.

Since they're kinda coring up if all of them are town.

He wouldn't want to be boxed in so he would try to force some room.

[Lime Coke]

I'm done trying to catch up on reading tbh because I'm starting to get tired of it, plus that ping kinda just jumped at me and I couldn't resist.

[Sloonei]

Illario spends a lot of time trying to get JJJ, Sloonei, and Dizzy all to come under some scrutiny. This could be based as town because Illario tries to find deep wolves in most games.

Why does mafia ilario do this here?

I said underneath it that he would basically try to pull stronger towns into the POE to have MLs available.

Since they're kinda coring up if all of them are town.

He wouldn't want to be boxed in so he would try to force some room.

I did not feel like he pushed hard enough for that to be the case. And beyond that, I thought his suspicion of me looked authentic. But let’s ask @ilario how he currently feels anout sloonei/jjj/dizzy.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

G-Man I feel like you picked random posts out of my ISO to suggest are unlike me. That stuff is vintage.

Those posts all made me think 'wait, what?'

I for one refuse to believe that you 'forget' how to play as a baddie, especially if you've had success as one. Besides, I would think that your scientific approach to the game should be easy to reverse-engineer for when you land a baddie role card.

I can express what I have done as mafia before, and what I could theoretically do given whatever game state. I did that much already in this game.

But after so long, I really can’t know how I am going to handle or deal with a mafia role card. It’s not “forgotten” strategically, but it is essentially forgotten emotionally. I haven’t faced that challenge since a year before covid. I hardly remember *anything* from then.

[Sloonei]

Why am I town but not Jay?

Tin foil may play a role, but it's a small role for now.

Also, you didn't make the kind of pingy posts that Jay did. Some things just felt off.

Besides, I've already nailed you as a baddie once and you haven't made those same mistakes yet.

I do not agree that those “pingy” posts you highlighted from him are concerning or unusual. The last one is one that specifically reinforced my town read on him.

[Lime Coke]

SPF
TSP
Axe

Dizzy
JJJ
Sloonei

SonofAnarch
Dolby

G-Man
Marmot
Illario/Falcon (T v W combo here)


@JaggedJimmyJay

This is my list.

Clears

Strong towns

Mid tier

Scum tier.

[staypositivefriend]

@Lime Coke -

do you mind pointing me to where illario townread you on d1? i just looked through his progression on you, and he was pretty consistent about finding you wolfy throughout the day. i think there's a pretty natural build-up of illario being suspicious of you & then deciding to vote you regardless of his alignment

[JaggedJimmyJay]

@Lime Coke I think it’d be valuable if you and @Marmot could discuss your suspicions.

[staypositivefriend]

SPF
TSP
Axe

Dizzy
JJJ
Sloonei

SonofAnarch
Dolby

G-Man
Marmot
Illario/Falcon (T v W combo here)


@JaggedJimmyJay

This is my list.

Clears

Strong towns

Mid tier

Scum tier.

do you mind talking a little bit about why you think illario/falcon is T v W specifically? why can't they be wolves together?

also, if illario wasn't getting chopped today, who would you wanna vote next?

[Lime Coke]

@Lime Coke -

do you mind pointing me to where illario townread you on d1? i just looked through his progression on you, and he was pretty consistent about finding you wolfy throughout the day. i think there's a pretty natural build-up of illario being suspicious of you & then deciding to vote you regardless of his alignment

Fuck you're right, I just iso'd him. I thought he was townreading me Day 1 for some reason.

I still don't understand his read on me though.

[staypositivefriend]

@Lime Coke -

do you mind pointing me to where illario townread you on d1? i just looked through his progression on you, and he was pretty consistent about finding you wolfy throughout the day. i think there's a pretty natural build-up of illario being suspicious of you & then deciding to vote you regardless of his alignment

Fuck you're right, I just iso'd him. I thought he was townreading me Day 1 for some reason.

I still don't understand his read on me though.

does it impact your overall read on illario?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I just grabbed my whole-ass phone hand and pinned it like a snake to prevent it from snap voting Lime Coke.

[Lime Coke]

SPF
TSP
Axe

Dizzy
JJJ
Sloonei

SonofAnarch
Dolby

G-Man
Marmot
Illario/Falcon (T v W combo here)


@JaggedJimmyJay

This is my list.

Clears

Strong towns

Mid tier

Scum tier.

do you mind talking a little bit about why you think illario/falcon is T v W specifically? why can't they be wolves together?

also, if illario wasn't getting chopped today, who would you wanna vote next?

Because Falcon's just planting his vote on Illario both day phases and not moving. I know both can do well with distancing but that would kinda be ridiculous? Don't you think?

Next vote is either the opposite side of that spectrum with Falcon. Seeing the sudden pop in when he had the CFD placed on him.

Or Marmot.

If Falcon is mafia Marmot is town because Falcon had that weird "Marmot being silent is deafening" post when it was only 2 hours into Day 2.

[G-Man]

Why am I town but not Jay?

Tin foil may play a role, but it's a small role for now.

Also, you didn't make the kind of pingy posts that Jay did. Some things just felt off.

Besides, I've already nailed you as a baddie once and you haven't made those same mistakes yet.

I do not agree that those “pingy” posts you highlighted from him are concerning or unusual. The last one is one that specifically reinforced my town read on him.

That last one felt out of place for me for two reasons:

1) Supa-town Jay would point this out on Day 1 when everyone is cultivating their towncores. Posting it on D2 where he did has the potential to throw a little cold water on towncores, sow doubt, and destabilize a few folks' thought processes.

2) It's written in a way that I can read baddie Jay smirking while announcing his intention to steamroll us all by doing this very thing.

[Lime Coke]

@Lime Coke -

do you mind pointing me to where illario townread you on d1? i just looked through his progression on you, and he was pretty consistent about finding you wolfy throughout the day. i think there's a pretty natural build-up of illario being suspicious of you & then deciding to vote you regardless of his alignment

Fuck you're right, I just iso'd him. I thought he was townreading me Day 1 for some reason.

I still don't understand his read on me though.

does it impact your overall read on illario?

Bleh, I'm still not a fan? I doubt he'd misunderstand me being cautious of him being a good wolf and me saying it's gambling to townread him early? Even he kinda knows this?

You would as well.

[Lime Coke]

@staypositivefriend

What is your read of him currently?

[Lime Coke]

SPF
TSP
Axe

Dizzy
JJJ
Sloonei

SonofAnarch
Dolby
Johanna

G-Man
Marmot
Illario/Falcon (T v W combo here)

I fucked up and forgot Johanna.

I'm being fair despite my personal bias and I'm putting her in mid tier.

I'm never voting her today though.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I just grabbed my whole-ass phone hand and pinned it like a snake to prevent it from snap voting Lime Coke.

Update:

My snake hand is still pinned, but it is shrieking like some kind of horrible banshee and snapping at my face. It wants the phone back. It’s pissed. I don’t know how long I can keep it at bay.

[staypositivefriend]

@ilario -

when you get the chance, could you please discuss your read on lime coke in more detail? it is true that you briefly engaged with lime coke about your concerns, (https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 18#p855818), accepted lime coke's explanation, (https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 33#p855833), and then brought up the exact same concern a dayphase later. is there anything else about lime coke that you find especially concerning?

the question here, i think, is whether or not it's wolfy for ilario to wolfread lime coke with that specific reasoning. given that:

A. illario had a pretty gradual build-up of suspicion of lime coke throughout his ISO

B. illario made other posts that implied his issues with lime coke extended beyond: "i don't like he outed his read on me" (https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 727#p85572)

C. illario tends to read other players based on how they are reading him

i do not think that his read on lime coke is inherently wolfy. it fits with whatever conception i have of what an "illario wolfread" looks like. i find it believable that the read could come from ilario as a villager, but it would help me a lot if he was more specific about his concerns

[staypositivefriend]

@ilario -

when you get the chance, could you please discuss your read on lime coke in more detail? it is true that you briefly engaged with lime coke about your concerns, (https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 18#p855818), accepted lime coke's explanation, (https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 33#p855833), and then brought up the exact same concern a dayphase later. is there anything else about lime coke that you find especially concerning?

the question here, i think, is whether or not it's wolfy for ilario to wolfread lime coke with that specific reasoning. given that:

A. illario had a pretty gradual build-up of suspicion of lime coke throughout his ISO

B. illario made other posts that implied his issues with lime coke extended beyond: "i don't like he outed his read on me" (https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 727#p85572)

C. illario tends to read other players based on how they are reading him

i do not think that his read on lime coke is inherently wolfy. it fits with whatever conception i have of what an "illario wolfread" looks like. i find it believable that the read could come from ilario as a villager, but it would help me a lot if he was more specific about his concerns

and of course, i would love to hear lime coke explain why he thinks that ilario would definitely not have that read on him as a villager. you didn't seem to take an inherent issue with ilario's reasoning for being suspicious of you on d1, so why is it wolf-indicative for you now?

[Lime Coke]

@ilario -

when you get the chance, could you please discuss your read on lime coke in more detail? it is true that you briefly engaged with lime coke about your concerns, (https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 18#p855818), accepted lime coke's explanation, (https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 33#p855833), and then brought up the exact same concern a dayphase later. is there anything else about lime coke that you find especially concerning?

the question here, i think, is whether or not it's wolfy for ilario to wolfread lime coke with that specific reasoning. given that:

A. illario had a pretty gradual build-up of suspicion of lime coke throughout his ISO

B. illario made other posts that implied his issues with lime coke extended beyond: "i don't like he outed his read on me" (https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 727#p85572)

C. illario tends to read other players based on how they are reading him

i do not think that his read on lime coke is inherently wolfy. it fits with whatever conception i have of what an "illario wolfread" looks like. i find it believable that the read could come from ilario as a villager, but it would help me a lot if he was more specific about his concerns

and of course, i would love to hear lime coke explain why he thinks that ilario would definitely not have that read on him as a villager. you didn't seem to take an inherent issue with ilario's reasoning for being suspicious of you on d1, so why is it wolf-indicative for you now?

Because I thought he was townreading me Day 1.

[Sloonei]

I just grabbed my whole-ass phone hand and pinned it like a snake to prevent it from snap voting Lime Coke.

Update:

My snake hand is still pinned, but it is shrieking like some kind of horrible banshee and snapping at my face. It wants the phone back. It’s pissed. I don’t know how long I can keep it at bay.

My vote is already there in spirit. The looming hammer is the only thing keeping it off.

[staypositivefriend]

@ilario -

when you get the chance, could you please discuss your read on lime coke in more detail? it is true that you briefly engaged with lime coke about your concerns, (https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 18#p855818), accepted lime coke's explanation, (https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 33#p855833), and then brought up the exact same concern a dayphase later. is there anything else about lime coke that you find especially concerning?

the question here, i think, is whether or not it's wolfy for ilario to wolfread lime coke with that specific reasoning. given that:

A. illario had a pretty gradual build-up of suspicion of lime coke throughout his ISO

B. illario made other posts that implied his issues with lime coke extended beyond: "i don't like he outed his read on me" (https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 727#p85572)

C. illario tends to read other players based on how they are reading him

i do not think that his read on lime coke is inherently wolfy. it fits with whatever conception i have of what an "illario wolfread" looks like. i find it believable that the read could come from ilario as a villager, but it would help me a lot if he was more specific about his concerns

and of course, i would love to hear lime coke explain why he thinks that ilario would definitely not have that read on him as a villager. you didn't seem to take an inherent issue with ilario's reasoning for being suspicious of you on d1, so why is it wolf-indicative for you now?

Because I thought he was townreading me Day 1.

perhaps i'm just being nitpicky, but:

@Lime Coke -

do you mind pointing me to where illario townread you on d1? i just looked through his progression on you, and he was pretty consistent about finding you wolfy throughout the day. i think there's a pretty natural build-up of illario being suspicious of you & then deciding to vote you regardless of his alignment

Fuck you're right, I just iso'd him. I thought he was townreading me Day 1 for some reason.

I still don't understand his read on me though.

does it impact your overall read on illario?

Bleh, I'm still not a fan? I doubt he'd misunderstand me being cautious of him being a good wolf and me saying it's gambling to townread him early? Even he kinda knows this?

You would as well.

the framing of your read on ilario in this post implies that you are suspicious of illario because of the specific reasoning that he is using to be suspicious of you. but illario used that specific reasoning to voice suspicions of you on d1, and you did not seem to take any issue or concern with it

i know that you thought that he townread you on d1, but it does raise some red flags that you are suddenly acting like a thought by illario that was posted an entire dayphase ago is inherently wolfy

regardless of any of that, i would find it really helpful if you talked about your read on illario in more detail. if you feel up to it, maybe even look through his ISO and point out some posts you find wolfy?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

“Oh. My premise against ilario was actually false, after I reviewed every page.

Uh. ilario still mafia.”

JJJ is struggling with this one.

[staypositivefriend]

“Oh. My premise against ilario was actually false, after I reviewed every page.

Uh. ilario still mafia.”

JJJ is struggling with this one.

mind talking about that a little more? what re-ignited your concern about illario?

[staypositivefriend]

i've gotta go cook, but all i wanna do right now is refresh the thread, lol. it sucks that i don't have more time because i think this game is very solvable with the right dialogue

[Lime Coke]

@ilario -

when you get the chance, could you please discuss your read on lime coke in more detail? it is true that you briefly engaged with lime coke about your concerns, (https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 18#p855818), accepted lime coke's explanation, (https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 33#p855833), and then brought up the exact same concern a dayphase later. is there anything else about lime coke that you find especially concerning?

the question here, i think, is whether or not it's wolfy for ilario to wolfread lime coke with that specific reasoning. given that:

A. illario had a pretty gradual build-up of suspicion of lime coke throughout his ISO

B. illario made other posts that implied his issues with lime coke extended beyond: "i don't like he outed his read on me" (https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 727#p85572)

C. illario tends to read other players based on how they are reading him

i do not think that his read on lime coke is inherently wolfy. it fits with whatever conception i have of what an "illario wolfread" looks like. i find it believable that the read could come from ilario as a villager, but it would help me a lot if he was more specific about his concerns

and of course, i would love to hear lime coke explain why he thinks that ilario would definitely not have that read on him as a villager. you didn't seem to take an inherent issue with ilario's reasoning for being suspicious of you on d1, so why is it wolf-indicative for you now?

Because I thought he was townreading me Day 1.

perhaps i'm just being nitpicky, but:

@Lime Coke -

do you mind pointing me to where illario townread you on d1? i just looked through his progression on you, and he was pretty consistent about finding you wolfy throughout the day. i think there's a pretty natural build-up of illario being suspicious of you & then deciding to vote you regardless of his alignment

Fuck you're right, I just iso'd him. I thought he was townreading me Day 1 for some reason.

I still don't understand his read on me though.

does it impact your overall read on illario?

Bleh, I'm still not a fan? I doubt he'd misunderstand me being cautious of him being a good wolf and me saying it's gambling to townread him early? Even he kinda knows this?

You would as well.

the framing of your read on ilario in this post implies that you are suspicious of illario because of the specific reasoning that he is using to be suspicious of you. but illario used that specific reasoning to voice suspicions of you on d1, and you did not seem to take any issue or concern with it

i know that you thought that he townread you on d1, but it does raise some red flags that you are suddenly acting like a thought by illario that was posted an entire dayphase ago is inherently wolfy

regardless of any of that, i would find it really helpful if you talked about your read on illario in more detail. if you feel up to it, maybe even look through his ISO and point out some posts you find wolfy?

Well I knew that he said that early day 1, but he brought it back up when he's stated that there's other ways to read me? It's weird that he goes off of THAT alone.

Like, again, I didn't take any issue with it because I thought he ended up townreading me.

Maybe the progression is natural but did he just not read the rest of my game?

[Sloonei]

i've gotta go cook, but all i wanna do right now is refresh the thread, lol. it sucks that i don't have more time because i think this game is very solvable with the right dialogue

u done gud

[Lime Coke]

i've gotta go cook, but all i wanna do right now is refresh the thread, lol. it sucks that i don't have more time because i think this game is very solvable with the right dialogue

I kinda feel like I'm fucking this up but yeah it's fine.

[Lime Coke]

[VOTE: Falcon] aubergine

I don't know what to think honestly.

If SPF has a better solve I'll listen.

Otherwise I'm thrown a bit for a loop.

[Sloonei]

i've gotta go cook, but all i wanna do right now is refresh the thread, lol. it sucks that i don't have more time because i think this game is very solvable with the right dialogue

I kinda feel like I'm fucking this up but yeah it's fine.

Let’s look into a few where you are chopped and flip town. What does your ghost recommend we do?

[Lime Coke]

Also I thought I got one but I guess not.

[Sloonei]

Look into a few chur

[JaggedJimmyJay]

“Oh. My premise against ilario was actually false, after I reviewed every page.

Uh. ilario still mafia.”

JJJ is struggling with this one.

mind talking about that a little more? what re-ignited your concern about illario?

I’m referring to Lime Coke rather than to ilario. If I understand the dialogue, you showed him that a premise on which he was doubting ilario was untrue, and it apparently was irrelevant and the doubts remained. I don’t get it on Lime’s part.

[Lime Coke]

“Oh. My premise against ilario was actually false, after I reviewed every page.

Uh. ilario still mafia.”

JJJ is struggling with this one.

mind talking about that a little more? what re-ignited your concern about illario?

I’m referring to Lime Coke rather than to ilario. If I understand the dialogue, you showed him that a premise on which he was doubting ilario was untrue, and it apparently was irrelevant and the doubts remained. I don’t get it on Lime’s part.

Probably because I thought I was right on that one and was trying to force it.

I still find his read on me weird but time will tell.

[Lime Coke]

Alright well I'm going to head to bed pretty soon.

I'll be back tomorrow, I'll try to get you guys something.

I need to make it up to everyone for my lackluster playing this game by burying a wolf.

Unfortunately, I have 2 issues.

1. I'm not confident in my ability of getting scumreads. For some reason I just don't have it and I don't feel like I'm getting better at it?

2. I'm not even confident in my townreads. Like the direction the game is going, and the certain PRs that have been revealed, my worldview of the game has kinda been thrown off.
I'm at a point where I'm thinking either "This person is probably a good wolf and I'm townreading them based off of just being a good player" and "This person has been lackluster but I might be falling for voting off a LHF" much like I ended up doing to Sig Day 1.


The fact that the numbers are tighter, I don't want to end up scumcasing someone, forcing another mishang, and we're back in the same position but with lesser room to breathe.
I almost wanna let myself get dropped and let the town hopefully come together and solve it.
Literally have my gameplan be "get out of the fucking way."

My confidence in these games has gotten rocked lately so I'm just in a bad way here.

[ilario]

@ilario -

when you get the chance, could you please discuss your read on lime coke in more detail? it is true that you briefly engaged with lime coke about your concerns, (https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 18#p855818), accepted lime coke's explanation, (https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 33#p855833), and then brought up the exact same concern a dayphase later. is there anything else about lime coke that you find especially concerning?

the question here, i think, is whether or not it's wolfy for ilario to wolfread lime coke with that specific reasoning. given that:

A. illario had a pretty gradual build-up of suspicion of lime coke throughout his ISO

B. illario made other posts that implied his issues with lime coke extended beyond: "i don't like he outed his read on me" (https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 727#p85572)

C. illario tends to read other players based on how they are reading him

i do not think that his read on lime coke is inherently wolfy. it fits with whatever conception i have of what an "illario wolfread" looks like. i find it believable that the read could come from ilario as a villager, but it would help me a lot if he was more specific about his concerns

A) the sus wasn’t build up. It was there from the beginning, I just didn’t want to express it immediately because I hate it when people gang up on lc regardless of his alignment. I wanted him to settle into the game first to avoid any potential toxicity.

B) my other reasons are not anything unique to what’s already been said. I didn’t like when he mentioned there’s slots scummier than himself as a way to defend himself, but this has already been mentioned. And his initial tr on sloonei also felt awkward to me.

I’m similar to you in that I haven’t seen that eureka moment where lcs towniness hits me, and that usually happens fairly early when he’s town

[Lime Coke]

Actually my thing should rather be:

I need to bury a wolf or I'm going to get buried.

But yeah same issues as I said before.

[ilario]

Some of his recent posts seem pretty decent to me though at a first glance however I haven’t read anything properly in the last 4 pages

[ilario]

but in fairness, he also caught me in goc 2019.

sorry i worded that poorly

i meant, who here has caught jjj when he was a wolf

i know, that is what i was answering. i caught him in those two games.

the latter of the two just happened to be multiball where we were both mafia on opposite teams.

Can you go into what he did in those two games that made him look scummy to you? What’s the differences between his townplay and scum game ?

Not without digging into the archives. Mountain Mafia was more than a couple years ago. If my foggy memory is correct, there was an instance where I fundamentally disagreed with an argument he was making, and that was the final nail in the coffin. But I can’t recall much more than that, and I would not give that game too much weight given that it was so long ago.

My thought process when I caught him in the multiball game was more or less “Jay is playing like me. I am mafia. Therefore Jay is also mafia.” So not super helpful here.

Jay is playing like you this game, so if he flips mafia should I just assume that makes you mafia?

[ilario]

Page 26

I still don't know where you get your reads from.

I lowkey want to get chopped to see your reaction but my guess is that you will be unfazed by failure.

Ughhhhh, a "pop the ego balloon" post. I townread these because I do the same thing.

Illario thinks the same thing on the same page. Dammit, are you town?

I don't think NAA is scum but he's definitely just taken a solidly anti-town position

Spoiler: show

which is hilarious

Spoiler: show

and tragic.

Totally NAI but I'm having fun reading Johanna using the spoiler gimmicks. Can we keep her around for a while?

Page 27

Illario spends a lot of time trying to get JJJ, Sloonei, and Dizzy all to come under some scrutiny. This could be based as town because Illario tries to find deep wolves in most games.
At the same time this could easily be a mafia trying to bring MLs into the POE.

Marmot votes Sloonei after Illario states slight sus of him.

Page 28

Lc, jjj, you, Dolby maybe (?), tsp if he’s not the watcher,

I would like to see you grill jjj harder

Is the top line a list of names you are uneasy about?

I feel no need to grill Jay at present. He is town until further notice.

Yup pmuch

Why have Jay and I slid in your view? Either individually or as the unit that we are.

Also I am interested in your Lime Coke thoughts.

Lc is probably scum tbh

You and jay mostly slid just because I found Johanna and NAA to be very towny today. At which point I reached a threshold of having too many townreads. At that point I asked myself who am I more likely to be misreading. On one hand I have players such as Johanna, naa, soa who seem relatively new to FM. On the other hand I have seasoned vets with a decade worth of experience who were are commanding voices in the game that’s leading us to a poe that I don’t feel all to comfortable with. At that point I figured it’s likely that I’m misreading someone in the latter.


I did not factor dizzy into this because dizzy is

.....

whut?

Lc is probably scum tbh

Kek

He was one of my very first srs btw

Incase you didn’t know

.....

Didn't you townread me Day 1?

I don’t think I ever voiced a tr on you?

[Lime Coke]

I thought you did Day 1 I guess I was wrong. Don't know why.

[ilario]

Illario spends a lot of time trying to get JJJ, Sloonei, and Dizzy all to come under some scrutiny. This could be based as town because Illario tries to find deep wolves in most games.

Why does mafia ilario do this here?

I said underneath it that he would basically try to pull stronger towns into the POE to have MLs available.

Since they're kinda coring up if all of them are town.

He wouldn't want to be boxed in so he would try to force some room.

I did not feel like he pushed hard enough for that to be the case. And beyond that, I thought his suspicion of me looked authentic. But let’s ask @ilario how he currently feels anout sloonei/jjj/dizzy.

You’re free to read this as a pocket attempt: but it will take a miracle for me to vote dizzy this game. Even if the watcher claims dizzy visited spf I would first thing that the watcher is lying or dizzy is a sw than believe that dizzy is mafia

You/jjj are fair game to me and I’m still trying to sort you both out. You both have had decent solving today but not something I’d imagine either of you would fail to replicate as a wolf. I think you are approaching me with an open mind at the very least and trying to understand my POV, which bodes well for you

[Marmot]

@Lime Coke I think it’d be valuable if you and @Marmot could discuss your suspicions.

I don't mind doing this, but what value do you see here?

[Marmot]

I would like to know how I went from a townread in Lime Coke's eyes to his top 2 scumreads. I didn't see an explanation anywhere.

[Lime Coke]

In terms of my scumreads-

I might only have one.

Since Illario might end up being town.

Falcon has to be mafia. His fixation on Illario and voting him for 2 days straight is very awkward.

Marmot's silence is deafening

This line from Falcon is kinda gross just based on the merit of him posting this 2 hours after the day started. Like could be timezone difference or whatever reasoning he's not going to be here at SOD every day for every game. Feels like he'd be stacking the deck in order to have his viewpoint look solid.

Last thing is the fact that the CFD wagon started on Falcon, and 2 minutes after SPF is the third vote on the wagon, Falcon appears with a post.

[Lime Coke]

I would like to know how I went from a townread in Lime Coke's eyes to his top 2 scumreads. I didn't see an explanation anywhere.

I got hit in the head and forgot who you were.

[Lime Coke]

My issue is that literally every game I play with Falcon I end up scumreading the guy, and that's probably this playstyle difference on this site compared to other games that I normally play.

Like so many town players just look scummy by playstyle.

It makes so many of these players such a >rand flip.