Re: Highway Heist (Day 2)
Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2022 9:17 pm
idk people keep saying he’s a villager and i don’t get it
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Re: Highway Heist (Day 2)
Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2022 9:17 pm
Re: Highway Heist (Day 2)
Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2022 9:18 pm
lol
Re: Highway Heist (Day 2)
Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2022 9:18 pm
Re: Highway Heist (Day 2)
Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2022 9:19 pm
Wilgy most likely partner is MR by some stretch.
Re: Highway Heist (Day 2)
Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2022 9:19 pm
Yes. I have. I don’t know what that has to do with anythingNANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 9:10 pmAs if you haven't spent most of this game pushing and/or voting me lolJaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 9:03 pmVote Alison all day with his finger up his bumMacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 9:03 pm In my experience when he is mafia he just openly pushes a pro mafia agenda. What he's done here I can't really describe as pushing any agenda?
Re: Highway Heist (Day 2)
Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2022 9:20 pm
but yeah idk, dizzy, nook, marmot and alison have all said wilgy is a villager and i don’t know him well enough to feel good going against that even though i think his posts are kinda garbage
Re: Highway Heist (Day 2)
Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2022 9:21 pm
believe me, i know lolMacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 9:18 pmI just read his ISO and it is wall to wall awful and scummy and makes no sense.
talk to all the people saying he’s town
Re: Highway Heist (Day 2)
Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2022 9:22 pm
I don’t town read Wilgy’s posts, but I might town read Wilgy’s aura. If that makes sense.
GaMe StAtE rEaD
It’s not confident at all, but I want to treat it that way for the moment
GaMe StAtE rEaD
It’s not confident at all, but I want to treat it that way for the moment
Re: Highway Heist (Day 2)
Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2022 9:23 pm
I don't agree with any of them. Wilgy is squarely in his scum meta, and I am pretty good at reading Wilgy.
Re: Highway Heist (Day 2)
Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2022 9:24 pm
i think it’s possible wilgy is a villager and getting hard TMI’d by one or both wolves because i’m not sure how it’s possible to v read him
Re: Highway Heist (Day 2)
Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2022 9:25 pm
His aura of not caring that much?JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 9:22 pm I don’t town read Wilgy’s posts, but I might town read Wilgy’s aura. If that makes sense.
GaMe StAtE rEaD
It’s not confident at all, but I want to treat it that way for the moment
That might be so but town Wilgy that doesn't care would automatically assume that you and I are mafia. He has no mentioned you once and voted me most of day 1 without me even being in his POE or vocalising a single scumread on me.
Re: Highway Heist (Day 2)
Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2022 9:25 pm
Re: Highway Heist (Day 2)
Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2022 9:26 pm
Alison and Marmot also scumread me and I am town so.
Re: Highway Heist (Day 2)
Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2022 9:26 pm
if wilgy is a wolf i think dizzy is his teammate like 70+% of the time at leastMacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 9:23 pmI don't agree with any of them. Wilgy is squarely in his scum meta, and I am pretty good at reading Wilgy.
Re: Highway Heist (Day 2)
Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2022 9:26 pm
OkMacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 9:17 pmcool i don't give a fuck about your read lolNANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 9:15 pmI read him correctly two games in a row so now I believe I can read him correctly every game
Jokes aside i do think he's likely town
Re: Highway Heist (Day 2)
Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2022 9:27 pm
where was the joke?NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 9:26 pmOkMacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 9:17 pmcool i don't give a fuck about your read lolNANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 9:15 pmI read him correctly two games in a row so now I believe I can read him correctly every game
Jokes aside i do think he's likely town
Re: Highway Heist (Day 2)
Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2022 9:27 pm
or maybe it’s just wilgy/nook
Re: Highway Heist (Day 2)
Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2022 9:28 pm
actually, idk about this but i think the reverse is trueHally wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 9:26 pmif wilgy is a wolf i think dizzy is his teammate like 70+% of the time at leastMacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 9:23 pmI don't agree with any of them. Wilgy is squarely in his scum meta, and I am pretty good at reading Wilgy.
i.e. dizzy being a wolf means wilgy is probably a wolf
Re: Highway Heist (Day 2)
Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2022 9:29 pm
Wilgy hit the thread way late and got to work pushing MR for awful reasons and then later on dropped that read in favour of pushing C4 for awful reasons. Meanwhile he spent most of the time voting me without talking about me.
I'd say his teammate is likely MR. People just give Wilgy twtbw townreads a lot.
Re: Highway Heist (Day 2)
Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2022 9:29 pm
The "I've read him safely two games in a row" part was obviously a jokeMacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 9:27 pmwhere was the joke?NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 9:26 pmOkMacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 9:17 pmcool i don't give a fuck about your read lolNANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 9:15 pmI read him correctly two games in a row so now I believe I can read him correctly every game
Jokes aside i do think he's likely town
Not that I have, cause I have, but that I think it means anything
Re: Highway Heist (Day 2)
Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2022 9:29 pm
No, nothing he has posted or conveyed is town to me. I think others’ treatment of him may indicate it though. Hally references a portion through opaque reads like Nanook’s. I will probably discard this notion, but I also am not sure he’s the best option today from an evidence-based standpoint. I will have to think about it.MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 9:25 pmHis aura of not caring that much?JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 9:22 pm I don’t town read Wilgy’s posts, but I might town read Wilgy’s aura. If that makes sense.
GaMe StAtE rEaD
It’s not confident at all, but I want to treat it that way for the moment
That might be so but town Wilgy that doesn't care would automatically assume that you and I are mafia. He has no mentioned you once and voted me most of day 1 without me even being in his POE or vocalising a single scumread on me.
Re: Highway Heist (Day 2)
Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2022 9:31 pm
why is he not the best option? if we miss on someone else we're just gonna end up default chopping wilgy at a more perilous moment anyway
Re: Highway Heist (Day 2)
Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2022 9:34 pm
Wilgy’s team fits are awkward. I think he fits with Nanook and Dizzy. I don’t quite see MR. Will think.
Re: Highway Heist (Day 1)
Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2022 9:47 pm
Entire Master Radishes / DrWilgy interaction is contained in the spoiler, in chronological order:
The interaction in full doesn't really strike me as the stuff of mafia teammates. Indeed, I think some of it looks bad (I highlighted a particularly troublesome MR post in orange). The impression I get overall is Wilgy trying to use immediately available data (the state of the poll, at L-2, or L-1 as he seemed to believe) to get reads instead of going back through the whole thread. MR treated that like it was too absurd to be taken seriously; his later posts in this string are almost making fun of Wilgy for the take.
Whether they fit together is worth discussion. It's not super obvious to me. I think this stuff is probably MR's worst overall look though.
Spoiler: show
The interaction in full doesn't really strike me as the stuff of mafia teammates. Indeed, I think some of it looks bad (I highlighted a particularly troublesome MR post in orange). The impression I get overall is Wilgy trying to use immediately available data (the state of the poll, at L-2, or L-1 as he seemed to believe) to get reads instead of going back through the whole thread. MR treated that like it was too absurd to be taken seriously; his later posts in this string are almost making fun of Wilgy for the take.
Whether they fit together is worth discussion. It's not super obvious to me. I think this stuff is probably MR's worst overall look though.
Re: Highway Heist (Day 2)
Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2022 9:47 pm
i don’t want to go against alison and kill wilgy though
maybe it makes me bad but i promised her i would take her reads into account and if i kill wilgy and he flips town after i killed alison who died saying not to kill wilgy i’ll feel even worse
maybe it makes me bad but i promised her i would take her reads into account and if i kill wilgy and he flips town after i killed alison who died saying not to kill wilgy i’ll feel even worse
Re: Highway Heist (Day 2)
Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2022 9:50 pm
what’s bad about the orange post, jay?
Re: Highway Heist (Day 2)
Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2022 9:51 pm
i don’t really find radishes treatment of it bad
no offense to wilgy but i think his entire thing with hammers was ridiculous and i don’t fault radishes for thinking it was absurd too
no offense to wilgy but i think his entire thing with hammers was ridiculous and i don’t fault radishes for thinking it was absurd too
Re: Highway Heist (Day 2)
Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2022 9:56 pm
i guess if you're gonna just sheep the dead you have to kill me then cuz i am the only one from both their poe
Re: Highway Heist (Day 2)
Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2022 9:57 pm
the difference is i can actually read you so i don’t need to sheep people on youMacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 9:56 pmi guess if you're gonna just sheep the dead you have to kill me then cuz i am the only one from both their poe
Re: Highway Heist (Day 2)
Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2022 9:57 pm
Here it is again for reference:
Spoiler: show
Then the second line of the post is hard to follow. MR granted it's not "AI" for Wilgy to double-down on his hammer dialogue, but also that it's "still a likely enough scum approach when called out on something" -- this is a weird sentence that gives me the wrong impression. There are two qualifiers trying to drag this away from "Not AI" and toward "I can accuse Wilgy for this". The qualifiers are:
1) It's not really AI, but also
2) likely enough scum approach when called out on something
I don't know what "when called out on something" means or why MR is relying upon this seemingly generic qualifier to a read that starts at "Not AI". Put another way, this reads to me as follows:
It's not AI unless it happens in response to being called out -- as though "being called out" isn't the normal situation under which someone doubles down
Seems kinda fake.
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Separate from that individual post, I don't like MR treating Wilgy's hammer read like it's a joke. "Can't believe the scum haven't taken the opportunity to hammer Wilgy" just strikes me as unnecessary and alignment-irrelevant -- the only purpose served by such a comment is to make Wilgy look like a doofus. That's halfway understandable if Wilgy is a suspect, but as we see by day's end... MR doesn't even include Wilgy as a chop option. It all seems out of order to me.
Re: Highway Heist (Day 2)
Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2022 9:59 pm
you've changed your read on me several times in this game and also have spent most of it not having a clue of my alignment soHally wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 9:57 pmthe difference is i can actually read you so i don’t need to sheep people on youMacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 9:56 pmi guess if you're gonna just sheep the dead you have to kill me then cuz i am the only one from both their poe
Re: Highway Heist (Day 2)
Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2022 10:03 pm
I don't think it was ridiculous necessarily if viewed through the lens that Wilgy believed the hammer to be 5 votes instead of 6. For someone to sit around at L-1 for hours would genuinely be important to discuss.
More importantly to me though, if MR is going to treat it as ridiculous while also not advocating for Wilgy's elimination, then that makes no sense to me.
Re: Highway Heist (Day 2)
Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2022 10:04 pm
so you're coming out of this with a wolf read on MR and townread on wilgy? lol ok
Re: Highway Heist (Day 2)
Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2022 10:04 pm
Yes re: MR, not quite re: Wilgy. If MR is mafia I will think Wilgy is probably town. On his own power I have less clear a view of Wilgy.MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 10:04 pm so you're coming out of this with a wolf read on MR and townread on wilgy? lol ok
Re: Highway Heist (Day 2)
Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2022 10:06 pm
I just think it's pretty likely that wilgy hit the thread immediately in antispew tbh
Re: Highway Heist (Day 2)
Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2022 10:06 pm
Master Radishes has not done anything in this game to warrant defenses, and I would strongly encourage anyone that reads him any way less than "conclusively town" to reconsider that posture and decide for yourself if he should be given that treatment right now.
Re: Highway Heist (Day 2)
Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2022 10:07 pm
I'm not sure what "antispew" would be in this context. What is Wilgy trying to convey (or "anti-convey") by musing over the possibility that MR could have been hammered?MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 10:06 pm I just think it's pretty likely that wilgy hit the thread immediately in antispew tbh
Re: Highway Heist (Day 2)
Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2022 10:08 pm
yeah, i picked up on the stuff above the line just now when i reread the post. it’s kinda constructed in a wolfy way with what you said + the “i don’t think i’ve ever seen scum wilgy though.” it feels like radishes is talking out of both sides of his mouth by trying to imply it’s suspicious while not really saying that.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 9:57 pmHere it is again for reference:
I'm tweaked by "Must say, I also found this weird" but I didn't say so until you said so, Jay.Spoiler: show
Then the second line of the post is hard to follow. MR granted it's not "AI" for Wilgy to double-down on his hammer dialogue, but also that it's "still a likely enough scum approach when called out on something" -- this is a weird sentence that gives me the wrong impression. There are two qualifiers trying to drag this away from "Not AI" and toward "I can accuse Wilgy for this". The qualifiers are:
1) It's not really AI, but also
2) likely enough scum approach when called out on something
I don't know what "when called out on something" means or why MR is relying upon this seemingly generic qualifier to a read that starts at "Not AI". Put another way, this reads to me as follows:
It's not AI unless it happens in response to being called out -- as though "being called out" isn't the normal situation under which someone doubles down
Seems kinda fake.
~~~
Separate from that individual post, I don't like MR treating Wilgy's hammer read like it's a joke. "Can't believe the scum haven't taken the opportunity to hammer Wilgy" just strikes me as unnecessary and alignment-irrelevant -- the only purpose served by such a comment is to make Wilgy look like a doofus. That's halfway understandable if Wilgy is a suspect, but as we see by day's end... MR doesn't even include Wilgy as a chop option. It all seems out of order to me.
the stuff below the line is whatever to me though. i think radishes was just amusing himself.
Re: Highway Heist (Day 2)
Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2022 10:10 pm
well if you had actually played D1 i would have known soonerMacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 9:59 pmyou've changed your read on me several times in this game and also have spent most of it not having a clue of my alignment soHally wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 9:57 pmthe difference is i can actually read you so i don’t need to sheep people on youMacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 9:56 pmi guess if you're gonna just sheep the dead you have to kill me then cuz i am the only one from both their poe
Re: Highway Heist (Day 2)
Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2022 10:13 pm
If I ignore all notions of building a total game theory and just give flat reads of players in isolation, it'd look something like this:
c4e5g3d5
Hally
NotAnAxehole
MacDougall
Dyslexicon
DrWilgy
Nanook
Master Radishes
c4e5g3d5
Hally
NotAnAxehole
MacDougall
Dyslexicon
DrWilgy
Nanook
Master Radishes
Re: Highway Heist (Day 2)
Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2022 10:14 pm
Part of me wants to just move Dizzy back up to establish the POE of 3 needed, but it would be irresponsible at this point.
Re: Highway Heist (Day 2)
Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2022 10:14 pm
i don’t see why radishes has to try to kill wilgy if he thinks the take is ridiculous? people can say ridiculous things and not be wolves for itJaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 10:03 pmI don't think it was ridiculous necessarily if viewed through the lens that Wilgy believed the hammer to be 5 votes instead of 6. For someone to sit around at L-1 for hours would genuinely be important to discuss.
More importantly to me though, if MR is going to treat it as ridiculous while also not advocating for Wilgy's elimination, then that makes no sense to me.
i don’t think there’s necessarily a disconnect there
Re: Highway Heist (Day 2)
Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2022 10:15 pm
He can think it is ridiculous, but does he need to actively poke at the game thread to remind us how ridiculous it is? This has a concretely negative impact on Wilgy's thread status.Hally wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 10:14 pmi don’t see why radishes has to try to kill wilgy if he thinks the take is ridiculous? people can say ridiculous things and not be wolves for itJaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 10:03 pmI don't think it was ridiculous necessarily if viewed through the lens that Wilgy believed the hammer to be 5 votes instead of 6. For someone to sit around at L-1 for hours would genuinely be important to discuss.
More importantly to me though, if MR is going to treat it as ridiculous while also not advocating for Wilgy's elimination, then that makes no sense to me.
i don’t think there’s necessarily a disconnect there
Re: Highway Heist (Day 2)
Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2022 10:17 pm
this seems like not a thing that would actually happenMacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 10:06 pm I just think it's pretty likely that wilgy hit the thread immediately in antispew tbh
Re: Highway Heist (Day 2)
Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2022 10:18 pm
To be clearer, if town MR believes that Wilgy is being innocently ridiculous, then I have my doubts that he'd see it as appropriate to take multiple craps in his Corn Flakes right in the game thread. That serves no purpose and can be damaging to someone viewed as town (or at least not as a chop option).
If MR believes it's ridiculous AND suspicious, then he's gonna carry on more like what we saw (while also being amenable to a Wilgy chop).
If MR believes it's ridiculous AND suspicious, then he's gonna carry on more like what we saw (while also being amenable to a Wilgy chop).
Re: Highway Heist (Day 2)
Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2022 10:19 pm
like, w!wilgy enters the thread D1 and immediately goes “i’m going to give up and anti-spew”? i doubt it
Re: Highway Heist (Day 2)
Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2022 10:20 pm
but he’s so sexy thoughJaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 10:06 pm Master Radishes has not done anything in this game to warrant defenses, and I would strongly encourage anyone that reads him any way less than "conclusively town" to reconsider that posture and decide for yourself if he should be given that treatment right now.
Re: Highway Heist (Day 2)
Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2022 10:21 pm
Re: Highway Heist (Day 2)
Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2022 10:24 pm