The Syndicate

Gira wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 10:15 am i've begun to find the Bereft gimmick extremely amusing even if i don't have the patience to actually puzzle out what his posts mean

Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 3:41 am obligatory "wtf there is 30 pages post"

bet you guys wish you could vote me for it

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 3:46 am

Ranmilia wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 3:41 am

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 3:38 am @Ranmilia are you around? You said you had something to ask me

Yes. Gun to head take on pyxxy chop chop town or wolf?

Without looking at his iso I would shrugyeet him without remorse.
I think his responses to leetic earlier looked kinda towny but maybe that's just because I don't think it looked like theatre, but I townread leetic way more than pyxxy so it's not a great standard for comparison.
But he townread me fairly early, I don't think he gave any explanation for it, and he also knows that I have caught him twice almost immediately in games where he was wolfing and that if he is a wolf, I will catch on and not let him escape.
So yeah, it's an ego-based read for sure, and probably paranoia plays into it but that is my current thought. And I think that part is more important than his discourse with leetic.

leetic wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 4:25 am Maybe the other thread didn't have a N0? That's the only explanation for Porscha being dead now besides a nightstart or daykill

tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 4:27 am if people lunched in here become treestumps to the other thread

then please. kill me.

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 4:57 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 4:45 am

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 4:44 am Is it time to tell you why I was entertaining Robyn and voting Bereft? Or should I save it for later?

fuck yeh it's time

Ok so I was asking earlier when Robyn was wavering on their Bereft take, and then Bereft seemed to have listed Robyn as a scumread. I didn't want to force a dichotomy between them because it would go terribly if I was wrong, but I wanted to poke around and see what people's reasons for scum reading Robyn were (the reasons for people scumreading Bereft were very clearly that he was gimmick posting).

Robyn claimed that they could solve both Bereft and me within the first 24hours, which resulted in them expressing a townread on me and what seemed like a throwaway scumread on Bereft,which is why I was trying to gauge their confidence in that read (and unfortunately, I was unable to gauge how confident Bereft was in his read on Robyn but maybe someone else picked that up).

I did actually think, once Bereft posted about the objects and put down the first 3 votes, that he was slightly towny for doing so solving under the gimmick. I believe Robyn picked up on this and decided to commit to the bereft push because it would be pretty easy for others to follow without much convincing. The real hindrance to that would be the dissenters who thought Robyn themself was a wolf, however.

Earlier in the game, I did think Robyn's read on Ranmilia was satisfactory enough that I wasn't going to question Robyn right away. I decided it was mildly towny enough and that I could probably leave their slot and see how it goes, so I took to responding to the scumreads on Robyn to figure out what their logic was (or at least, I tried to). So then when Robyn was trying to butter me up and also ask for my readlist, I decided to be sneaky and just not give it (but also because I was too lazy to type it up) and see what behavior I could observe.

I expressed low confidence in my current reads and no real scumreads. This was true enough, and as you pointed out earlier in someone else's case (TSP?), Robyn went straight for pocketing me after I said that. I decided I would vote for Bereft to force the dichotomy between them, correct or not, but without saying that's what I was doing. I downplayed my interpretation of bereft's posts in order to do this, and made a paranoia post that allowed Robyn to amplify it (TSP picked up on this, but thought I looked bad for sowing paranoia in saying that highposters contained a wolf). What I said in response to his vote on me after I caught up was that he should look for who reacted to that post. The answer should be Robyn, because Robyn immediately echoed that sentiment and told the thread that I was "correctly" voicing concern that there was an active wolf. In my opinion, if Robyn is a wolf, then they ARE the most active wolf commenting on my post. If I were more accurate and someone who was a wolf with Robyn was more active than them, they would not want to amplify that.

Sorry this is so longwinded, and also I'm not voting Robyn right now because I don't want to encourage a hammer until closer to the voting deadline. So I just voted pyxxy so that I'm voting somewhere, lol (sorry pyxxy).

Gira wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 11:07 am i might have to eat crow on my defense of dizzy tbqh

Gira wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 11:07 am i might have to eat crow on my defense of dizzy tbqh

pyxxy wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 5:27 am

Spoiler: show

imagine a ted/leetic/robyn team. tough rand if true

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 11:31 am

Gira wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 11:07 am i might have to eat crow on my defense of dizzy tbqh

Why's that?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 11:32 am

Gira wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 11:07 am i might have to eat crow on my defense of dizzy tbqh

You don't <3

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 11:40 am I thought I had a point about Ted, since he has votes. It's just that he very quickly asked Ran about stuff as he was going, as in, there was no delay in the questioning, it was rapid fire, so I think that's good and shows actual thinking. It was about her Rondo read.

Also, @TonyStarkPrime are you setting up a dichotomy between me and Ran? If so, why?

Gira wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 11:58 am

pyxxy wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 5:27 am

Spoiler: show

imagine a ted/leetic/robyn team. tough rand if true

leetic would be crushing it tbh

i'm based toward townreading insomnia because of his posting style, which i think always hits the surface level indicators i look for, and would have to actually look deeper into him to catch him but haven't really been that concerned and i keep liking when he posts

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WindwardAway wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 11:31 am

Gira wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 11:07 am i might have to eat crow on my defense of dizzy tbqh

Why's that?

thread feels towny as fuck, have a hard time finding scumreads, and i decided in my meditation chamber that the long post that made people back off him was actually kind of scummy because it was manipulative.

i think in terms of reads now i'm at like

{mac, wind, ran, leetic}
{abigail, pyxxy, tsp}
{tedxtr, bereft, dizzy}
{rondo, robyn}

in terms of the second tier townreads - i think pyxxy has certain towntells and over the last few pages he's been hitting them. i know mac is sussing tsp but i keep feeling the way he's posting is towny - i guess if i had cause for concern it's that he's displaying what i read as a towny thought process but has been trying to vote people i think are likely town.

that leaves me with a very narrow suspect pool, and what namse there do i go with? do tedxtr or bereft seem more likely? eh. there was that one ted post about robyn but that is kind of thin evidence.


relatedly, i kind of think that is what happened with robyn - the thread is hella towny and they are having a hard time finding a push so they threw in the towel. a townie who is getting run up, in most cases, will start flailing a bit - they get paranoid, they start accusing people wildly because the world is out to get them, so they end up suspicious of a lot of people. i didn't really get that feeling from robyn, i think they should have been able to name more scumreads

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 12:05 pm Not quite sure where you’re seeing that

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 12:37 pm Or we vote someone from the other list \o/

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 5:27 pm Also Ted and maybe others asked me about why I'm voting Robyn. I only saw that they wrote a really long self meta-ish monologue, and that is what I've seen them do as wolf before. And also, I don't think they have tried to interact with me and Robyn is like actually scared of me when they rand mafia (although this last point isn't very meaningfully actually none of them are).

tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 5:12 am i think my vote will be in abi / bereft / rondo

don’t particularly care to reread and get a better feel for the game. it’s prolly a bad sign im sussing 2 of my voters since it seems like mostly villas do it on here, but c’est la vie, in my low investment mode i haven’t picked up on anything egregious from the more active posters

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 5:24 am

pyxxy wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 5:23 am

tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 5:21 am i’d say it ~never comes from a villa in the other thread

could come from a wolf role in either thread

or a villa from ours


likelihood from least likely to most likely

I would still bet on them being the result of non-intention e.g. people are paired between threads and being a wagon in one thread leads to getting a secret extra vote in this one, possibly going both ways

and on further reflection, possibly with a minimum # of votes to activate it so that vanity wagons don't just flood our poll and mess things up

also can't rule out rondo's self-vote theory unless I iso abigail and robyn and uhhhhhhhhhhhhhh I'm going to bed instead tyvm

Rule it out, Robyn never self voted and I explicitly told Abbi there was no self voting before she could try it

pyxxy wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 5:29 am ran saying good words

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 2:07 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 5:29 am ran saying good words

Ranvilla amIrite?

Ranmilia wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 6:55 am eepy as the kids say. see y'all tomorrow.

@Porscha Hello fair maiden. If thou be town truly, I would ask of thee a great boon: look upon the Princess Abigail's iso, well and truly, and deliver thine holy judgment as to whether she be a werewolf. Thank you for your time <3

Gira wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 10:24 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 3:41 am obligatory "wtf there is 30 pages post"

bet you guys wish you could vote me for it

when the fuck did you show up in this game

pyxxy wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 2:08 pm

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 2:07 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 5:29 am ran saying good words

Ranvilla amIrite?

I guess it do be like that

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 2:16 pm Maybe I should vote

leetic wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 2:37 pm

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 2:16 pm Maybe I should vote

Do it

pyxxy wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 5:23 am

tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 5:21 am i’d say it ~never comes from a villa in the other thread

could come from a wolf role in either thread

or a villa from ours


likelihood from least likely to most likely

I would still bet on them being the result of non-intention e.g. people are paired between threads and being a wagon in one thread leads to getting a secret extra vote in this one, possibly going both ways

and on further reflection, possibly with a minimum # of votes to activate it so that vanity wagons don't just flood our poll and mess things up

also can't rule out rondo's self-vote theory unless I iso abigail and robyn and uhhhhhhhhhhhhhh I'm going to bed instead tyvm

leetic wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 2:43 pm If people are paired between threads, then the Porscha situation should've affected somebody, yet no one has claimed anything of the sort.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 1:56 pm i dunno why the thread seems stuck on robyn, but given the callout for them being a wolf and the frozen wagon on them, maybe they're spewed wolf somehow (push on this, wolves - sounds wolfy!)

tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 1:56 pm ghanna keep my vote on rondo, tho it's not a lock one

but the reason i wanted him to be strict on wolfy in general vs wolfy this game is cuz i didn't feel like he was trying to be wolfy, actually i had the opposite view

i dunno why the thread seems stuck on robyn, but given the callout for them being a wolf and the frozen wagon on them, maybe they're spewed wolf somehow (push on this, wolves - sounds wolfy!)

dunno what to make of bereft. or dizzy. gth running up a wall on ran then swapping for no reason given you've read like only 2 posts for them seems weird.

the game feels incredibly boring to solve in and it feels PoEable. there's nothing like ~obvious wolf, but there are villagery villagers

leetic wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 2:43 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 5:23 am

tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 5:21 am i’d say it ~never comes from a villa in the other thread

could come from a wolf role in either thread

or a villa from ours


likelihood from least likely to most likely

I would still bet on them being the result of non-intention e.g. people are paired between threads and being a wagon in one thread leads to getting a secret extra vote in this one, possibly going both ways

and on further reflection, possibly with a minimum # of votes to activate it so that vanity wagons don't just flood our poll and mess things up

also can't rule out rondo's self-vote theory unless I iso abigail and robyn and uhhhhhhhhhhhhhh I'm going to bed instead tyvm

If people are paired between threads, then the Porscha situation should've affected somebody, yet no one has claimed anything of the sort. Although robyn claimed their vote at 9:41 EST, 41 minutes after EoD in the other thread (assuming they didn't have the 24 hour N0) so perhaps there is a connection with the other thread

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 2:56 pm Like are you really REALLY sure about that

tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 2:03 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 5:27 pm Also Ted and maybe others asked me about why I'm voting Robyn. I only saw that they wrote a really long self meta-ish monologue, and that is what I've seen them do as wolf before. And also, I don't think they have tried to interact with me and Robyn is like actually scared of me when they rand mafia (although this last point isn't very meaningfully actually none of them are).

ngl, don't really like this poast. doesn't feel real to me

legit chance it could be w/w /shrug

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 3:23 pm Oh finally my internet is back!!!

Probably don't have the time/energy to do ISOs before EoD anyway but feel free to ask me for reads or opinions or just bounce stuff off me if you want

leetic wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 3:02 pm

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 2:56 pm Like are you really REALLY sure about that

You supposedly have one of the secret votes, so you'd know better than I