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A wolf Tutuu may have some role that clearly explains where Kyle got a bad green check. So seeing that role helps solve Kyle. Flipping Kyle either way doesn't really tell us about Tutuu. So Tutuu should flip first.hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 9:39 pm @Timsup2nothin you said something earlier about Kyle/Tutuu and ordering. Can you bring that back up?
I'll mull that over then.Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 9:46 pmA wolf Tutuu may have some role that clearly explains where Kyle got a bad green check. So seeing that role helps solve Kyle. Flipping Kyle either way doesn't really tell us about Tutuu. So Tutuu should flip first.hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 9:39 pm @Timsup2nothin you said something earlier about Kyle/Tutuu and ordering. Can you bring that back up?
ok, i thought I had something more profound to say to Tim, I take that back lol
Mainly because I don't want to chop her, based on a) my devotion to the Gambit Demon win based on the previous GD incarnation, b) my belief that she is not harmful to the town cause, c) she has given us some great tools to use, d) I want to yeet the last wolf, not a third party, and I still believe she's third party at this time.hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 9:09 pmok, I missed that.Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 9:07 pmLC removed alison from the pollhollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 9:06 pm I'm confused, why is Alison removed from the poll again and who did that?
Also, by my trustfall it's just Tutuu/Michelle like every time unless the wolf has me snowed, in which case it's Syn/Tim every time.
@Long Con why did you remove Alison from the poll?
I think the baseball actions/role are a red herring. It's functionally never killing a townie unless the ball thrower makes it to the end game yeah?Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 9:56 pm Idt getting elton john'd is worth a clear on its own. of any of the powers the mafia has had it's pretty benign and jpic bringing it up could have been planting a seed for future credit.
by the same token baseball is also not indicative at all since the first two shots would never be harmful right?
I mean if you want to create reasons for mafia to keep me alive until the endgame I'm cool with that but I mostly think it's unlikely to happen.Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 9:51 pmYou know that Made saying he was bulletproof was a huge part of what got him shot right?
He said it. Then I pointed out that if we chopped him, which at that point was inevitable, then the next kill went to the wolves, where if he blew himself out than the next kill went to the town...so unless he had a serious argument for getting out of the chop the town sided thing to do was just pull the plug. He agreed, apparently.
To clarify, what I'm tinfoiling is that Tim ended up talking Made into actually self-blasting himself after failing to kill him last night so that he and LC can still take advantage of the play they had potentially set up during the night (taking Alison off the poll so that someone else would get chopped over her, a 3p who could potentially work with them).Hyena wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 10:16 pm This is tinfoil, but what if BOTH of Tim and LC are mafia? What if they were planning on Made being dead at the start of this day phase (from Tim's shot?) and have Alison off the poll so that they could potentially get another towny chopped? I mean... I guess it would me suboptimal to convince Made to self-blast himself, but maybe they still wanted to take advantage of Alison being off the polls today?
I think if me and LC were wolves we would look at such a plan and say "Eeeeeeh, Made says he's bulletproof, and we can chop him tomorrow for sure without implicating either of us. Let's use the extra shot on...anybody else." Like seriously if I was a wolf and knew Tutuu wasn't I'd have just said "she's green checked" and blasted her...or the annoying Syn who has tunneled me from day one...or fucking anyone but Made, really.Hyena wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 10:16 pm This is tinfoil, but what if BOTH of Tim and LC are mafia? What if they were planning on Made being dead at the start of this day phase (from Tim's shot?) and have Alison off the poll so that they could potentially get another towny chopped? I mean... I guess it would me suboptimal to convince Made to self-blast himself, but maybe they still wanted to take advantage of Alison being off the polls today?
Oh, right, Made did claim bulletproof yesterday didn't he. Okay, I forgot about that part.Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 10:22 pmI think if me and LC were wolves we would look at such a plan and say "Eeeeeeh, Made says he's bulletproof, and we can chop him tomorrow for sure without implicating either of us. Let's use the extra shot on...anybody else." Like seriously if I was a wolf and knew Tutuu wasn't I'd have just said "she's green checked" and blasted her...or the annoying Syn who has tunneled me from day one...or fucking anyone but Made, really.Hyena wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 10:16 pm This is tinfoil, but what if BOTH of Tim and LC are mafia? What if they were planning on Made being dead at the start of this day phase (from Tim's shot?) and have Alison off the poll so that they could potentially get another towny chopped? I mean... I guess it would me suboptimal to convince Made to self-blast himself, but maybe they still wanted to take advantage of Alison being off the polls today?
And on top of that, it looks like Made said he was cursed today? So, you couldn't have, like, planned to talk him into self-blasting himself if you had planned on shooting him but not killing him... unless, like, one of you two has the power to curse him?Hyena wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 10:25 pmOh, right, Made did claim bulletproof yesterday didn't he. Okay, I forgot about that part.Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 10:22 pmI think if me and LC were wolves we would look at such a plan and say "Eeeeeeh, Made says he's bulletproof, and we can chop him tomorrow for sure without implicating either of us. Let's use the extra shot on...anybody else." Like seriously if I was a wolf and knew Tutuu wasn't I'd have just said "she's green checked" and blasted her...or the annoying Syn who has tunneled me from day one...or fucking anyone but Made, really.Hyena wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 10:16 pm This is tinfoil, but what if BOTH of Tim and LC are mafia? What if they were planning on Made being dead at the start of this day phase (from Tim's shot?) and have Alison off the poll so that they could potentially get another towny chopped? I mean... I guess it would me suboptimal to convince Made to self-blast himself, but maybe they still wanted to take advantage of Alison being off the polls today?
lol, @Long Con, did you bus Ted?Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 4:19 pmWait...did Ted know he was gonna be tracked? Why in the world would w!Ted holster a bus drive?Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 4:14 pmIs this aimed at me? ted didn't because he was tracked by LC
Okay, I'm starting to see so many LC+Tim connections now.Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 7:51 pmThis is unfortunately true. I never say anything as town that isn't what I would say as a wolf, and vice versa. However, I would never have a chance to say it as a wolf, because it is true that as a wolf I would not have shot Radishes. I'd have shot someone less surely in my pocket with an ability that could cause me problems, like LC...and I wouldn't have fired my extra KP into the guy town is fixed on chopping.Syn wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 7:43 pmthis is exactly what w!Tim would sayTimsup2nothin wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 7:41 pm Okay, fine...no kill Kyle, but I'm just gonna kill made. Reading the thread yesterday it was like "if it isn't Wilgy it's Made" from top to bottom and side to side. I genuinely had no choice but to do the due diligent town vig thing and try to shoot him. If y'all go haring off in some wild new direction today just because he shrugged off a vig shot and had some confusing power interaction with Kyle you gotta go without me.
[VOTE: Made] aubergine
By the way, if you think w!Tim shot the only person who fully understood how town sided I have been all game long, get help. I didn't kill Radishes and I'm not a wolf. Period.
If I had a one shot curse power I wouldn't have used it on the guy who was next up for the mischop...and if it wasn't a one shot there'd be a whole lot of cursed people running around.
I think I believe you. I think in this scenario, LC would be the curser, not you.Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 10:39 pmIf I had a one shot curse power I wouldn't have used it on the guy who was next up for the mischop...and if it wasn't a one shot there'd be a whole lot of cursed people running around.
Ted didn't holster a busdrive, he targeted himself and Michelle. I suspect that me getting a ted result for the track might have been a host error, and the impetus for some game-balancing via Jack and Martin's day-deaths.Hyena wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 10:36 pmlol, @Long Con, did you bus Ted?Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 4:19 pmWait...did Ted know he was gonna be tracked? Why in the world would w!Ted holster a bus drive?Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 4:14 pmIs this aimed at me? ted didn't because he was tracked by LC
To clarify, I think you're being completely honest with your role, and I think Kyle even confirmed everything you said about your role. LC is the one I'm not sure about.Hyena wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 10:41 pmI think I believe you. I think in this scenario, LC would be the curser, not you.Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 10:39 pmIf I had a one shot curse power I wouldn't have used it on the guy who was next up for the mischop...and if it wasn't a one shot there'd be a whole lot of cursed people running around.
All I did was mention that if I was a wolf I'd shoot the tracker. How is that a "connection"? Paranoia is a hard drug to shake Hyena.Hyena wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 10:39 pmOkay, I'm starting to see so many LC+Tim connections now.Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 7:51 pmThis is unfortunately true. I never say anything as town that isn't what I would say as a wolf, and vice versa. However, I would never have a chance to say it as a wolf, because it is true that as a wolf I would not have shot Radishes. I'd have shot someone less surely in my pocket with an ability that could cause me problems, like LC...and I wouldn't have fired my extra KP into the guy town is fixed on chopping.Syn wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 7:43 pmthis is exactly what w!Tim would sayTimsup2nothin wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 7:41 pm Okay, fine...no kill Kyle, but I'm just gonna kill made. Reading the thread yesterday it was like "if it isn't Wilgy it's Made" from top to bottom and side to side. I genuinely had no choice but to do the due diligent town vig thing and try to shoot him. If y'all go haring off in some wild new direction today just because he shrugged off a vig shot and had some confusing power interaction with Kyle you gotta go without me.
[VOTE: Made] aubergine
By the way, if you think w!Tim shot the only person who fully understood how town sided I have been all game long, get help. I didn't kill Radishes and I'm not a wolf. Period.
@Timsup2nothin What was the purpose of interacting with this post? Also, it's weird seeing Ted defending LC here.Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 3:26 am
@Kylemii Can you go over again the thing about the pool of people you had that you said contained one scum and one town? What were the specifics of it? And who was in that pool again?tedxtr wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 3:37 amif kyle is legit then he either hit a mafia in the lc / me / tutuu pool or he got redirected.
and reading tutuu’s last posts on me (page before this one) it kinda reads like her vote on me is for no reason, since she thinks i’m a 3p and not a mafia given kyle’s check
so then why vote for me over a wolf?
Why didn't you blast Tutuu? I don't recall you giving a strong town read there, or have I missed something yet again?Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 10:22 pmI think if me and LC were wolves we would look at such a plan and say "Eeeeeeh, Made says he's bulletproof, and we can chop him tomorrow for sure without implicating either of us. Let's use the extra shot on...anybody else." Like seriously if I was a wolf and knew Tutuu wasn't I'd have just said "she's green checked" and blasted her...or the annoying Syn who has tunneled me from day one...or fucking anyone but Made, really.Hyena wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 10:16 pm This is tinfoil, but what if BOTH of Tim and LC are mafia? What if they were planning on Made being dead at the start of this day phase (from Tim's shot?) and have Alison off the poll so that they could potentially get another towny chopped? I mean... I guess it would me suboptimal to convince Made to self-blast himself, but maybe they still wanted to take advantage of Alison being off the polls today?
Falcon 1, LC 2, Tutuu 3, Ted 4Hyena wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 10:48 pm@Kylemii Can you go over again the thing about the pool of people you had that you said contained one scum and one town? What were the specifics of it? And who was in that pool again?tedxtr wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 3:37 amif kyle is legit then he either hit a mafia in the lc / me / tutuu pool or he got redirected.
and reading tutuu’s last posts on me (page before this one) it kinda reads like her vote on me is for no reason, since she thinks i’m a 3p and not a mafia given kyle’s check
so then why vote for me over a wolf?
Erm.. Jack and TSPLong Con wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 10:41 pmTed didn't holster a busdrive, he targeted himself and Michelle. I suspect that me getting a ted result for the track might have been a host error, and the impetus for some game-balancing via Jack and Martin's day-deaths.Hyena wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 10:36 pmlol, @Long Con, did you bus Ted?Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 4:19 pmWait...did Ted know he was gonna be tracked? Why in the world would w!Ted holster a bus drive?Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 4:14 pmIs this aimed at me? ted didn't because he was tracked by LC
Because I thought it was hilarious to make fun of the way Kyle's response looked like just Jedi mind trick "move along now, nothing to see here."Hyena wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 10:45 pm@Timsup2nothin What was the purpose of interacting with this post? Also, it's weird seeing Ted defending LC here.Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 3:26 am
Falcon Town Confirmed via flip. Ted Scum Confirmed via FlipKylemii wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 11:13 pmFalcon 1, LC 2, Tutuu 3, Ted 4Hyena wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 10:48 pm@Kylemii Can you go over again the thing about the pool of people you had that you said contained one scum and one town? What were the specifics of it? And who was in that pool again?tedxtr wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 3:37 amif kyle is legit then he either hit a mafia in the lc / me / tutuu pool or he got redirected.
and reading tutuu’s last posts on me (page before this one) it kinda reads like her vote on me is for no reason, since she thinks i’m a 3p and not a mafia given kyle’s check
so then why vote for me over a wolf?
to unlock my stump power I needed to target and hit both a town and mafia and I only accomplished that after targeting Ted.
Okay. So, since we know that Falcon is town and that Ted is scum, we know that neither LC nor Tutuu are mafia assuming no redirection/bus-driving shenanigans? In other words, the only way LC can be mafia right now is if you were redirected from LC to someone that was actually town?Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 11:13 pmFalcon 1, LC 2, Tutuu 3, Ted 4Hyena wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 10:48 pm@Kylemii Can you go over again the thing about the pool of people you had that you said contained one scum and one town? What were the specifics of it? And who was in that pool again?tedxtr wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 3:37 amif kyle is legit then he either hit a mafia in the lc / me / tutuu pool or he got redirected.
and reading tutuu’s last posts on me (page before this one) it kinda reads like her vote on me is for no reason, since she thinks i’m a 3p and not a mafia given kyle’s check
so then why vote for me over a wolf?
to unlock my stump power I needed to target and hit both a town and mafia and I only accomplished that after targeting Ted.
Correct, unless my targeting was altered or preventedhollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 11:16 pmFalcon Town Confirmed via flip. Ted Scum Confirmed via FlipKylemii wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 11:13 pmFalcon 1, LC 2, Tutuu 3, Ted 4Hyena wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 10:48 pm@Kylemii Can you go over again the thing about the pool of people you had that you said contained one scum and one town? What were the specifics of it? And who was in that pool again?tedxtr wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 3:37 amif kyle is legit then he either hit a mafia in the lc / me / tutuu pool or he got redirected.
and reading tutuu’s last posts on me (page before this one) it kinda reads like her vote on me is for no reason, since she thinks i’m a 3p and not a mafia given kyle’s check
so then why vote for me over a wolf?
to unlock my stump power I needed to target and hit both a town and mafia and I only accomplished that after targeting Ted.
LC/Tutuu by extension must be town OR 3p, cannot be scum UNLESS Kyle is lying, in which case Kyle + ONE of LC/Tutuu are wolves as townKyle never lies about this (I think..)
redirected or blockedHyena wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 11:16 pmOkay. So, since we know that Falcon is town and that Ted is scum, we know that neither LC nor Tutuu are mafia assuming no redirection/bus-driving shenanigans? In other words, the only way LC can be mafia right now is if you were redirected from LC to someone that was actually town?Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 11:13 pmFalcon 1, LC 2, Tutuu 3, Ted 4Hyena wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 10:48 pm@Kylemii Can you go over again the thing about the pool of people you had that you said contained one scum and one town? What were the specifics of it? And who was in that pool again?tedxtr wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 3:37 amif kyle is legit then he either hit a mafia in the lc / me / tutuu pool or he got redirected.
and reading tutuu’s last posts on me (page before this one) it kinda reads like her vote on me is for no reason, since she thinks i’m a 3p and not a mafia given kyle’s check
so then why vote for me over a wolf?
to unlock my stump power I needed to target and hit both a town and mafia and I only accomplished that after targeting Ted.
For the same reason I told Made he should just blow himself out. With Made alive this phase was totally worthless. As the vig shooting him was literally my one job. Taking the hero shot on Tutuu would be great only if it was right. I fucked that up once as a vig, and I learn from my mistakes.hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 11:11 pmWhy didn't you blast Tutuu? I don't recall you giving a strong town read there, or have I missed something yet again?Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 10:22 pmI think if me and LC were wolves we would look at such a plan and say "Eeeeeeh, Made says he's bulletproof, and we can chop him tomorrow for sure without implicating either of us. Let's use the extra shot on...anybody else." Like seriously if I was a wolf and knew Tutuu wasn't I'd have just said "she's green checked" and blasted her...or the annoying Syn who has tunneled me from day one...or fucking anyone but Made, really.Hyena wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 10:16 pm This is tinfoil, but what if BOTH of Tim and LC are mafia? What if they were planning on Made being dead at the start of this day phase (from Tim's shot?) and have Alison off the poll so that they could potentially get another towny chopped? I mean... I guess it would me suboptimal to convince Made to self-blast himself, but maybe they still wanted to take advantage of Alison being off the polls today?
Alright, alright. Thanks.Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 11:17 pmredirected or blockedHyena wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 11:16 pmOkay. So, since we know that Falcon is town and that Ted is scum, we know that neither LC nor Tutuu are mafia assuming no redirection/bus-driving shenanigans? In other words, the only way LC can be mafia right now is if you were redirected from LC to someone that was actually town?Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 11:13 pmFalcon 1, LC 2, Tutuu 3, Ted 4Hyena wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 10:48 pm@Kylemii Can you go over again the thing about the pool of people you had that you said contained one scum and one town? What were the specifics of it? And who was in that pool again?tedxtr wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 3:37 amif kyle is legit then he either hit a mafia in the lc / me / tutuu pool or he got redirected.
and reading tutuu’s last posts on me (page before this one) it kinda reads like her vote on me is for no reason, since she thinks i’m a 3p and not a mafia given kyle’s check
so then why vote for me over a wolf?
to unlock my stump power I needed to target and hit both a town and mafia and I only accomplished that after targeting Ted.
I can only confirm that Tim can kill lol. If he has the option to curse as well, he didn't have that option on the night I visited him
Made claimed bulletproof yesterday though, right? If he was telling the truth from your PoV, he was never dying in the night, right?Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 11:18 pmFor the same reason I told Made he should just blow himself out. With Made alive this phase was totally worthless. As the vig shooting him was literally my one job. Taking the hero shot on Tutuu would be great only if it was right. I fucked that up once as a vig, and I learn from my mistakes.hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 11:11 pmWhy didn't you blast Tutuu? I don't recall you giving a strong town read there, or have I missed something yet again?Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 10:22 pmI think if me and LC were wolves we would look at such a plan and say "Eeeeeeh, Made says he's bulletproof, and we can chop him tomorrow for sure without implicating either of us. Let's use the extra shot on...anybody else." Like seriously if I was a wolf and knew Tutuu wasn't I'd have just said "she's green checked" and blasted her...or the annoying Syn who has tunneled me from day one...or fucking anyone but Made, really.Hyena wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 10:16 pm This is tinfoil, but what if BOTH of Tim and LC are mafia? What if they were planning on Made being dead at the start of this day phase (from Tim's shot?) and have Alison off the poll so that they could potentially get another towny chopped? I mean... I guess it would me suboptimal to convince Made to self-blast himself, but maybe they still wanted to take advantage of Alison being off the polls today?
Alright. LC would be more likely to be the curser in the scenario I'm imagining right now. Granted, I don't have any concrete evidence of that.
Or the Godfather angle.Hyena wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 11:16 pmOkay. So, since we know that Falcon is town and that Ted is scum, we know that neither LC nor Tutuu are mafia assuming no redirection/bus-driving shenanigans? In other words, the only way LC can be mafia right now is if you were redirected from LC to someone that was actually town?Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 11:13 pmFalcon 1, LC 2, Tutuu 3, Ted 4Hyena wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 10:48 pm@Kylemii Can you go over again the thing about the pool of people you had that you said contained one scum and one town? What were the specifics of it? And who was in that pool again?tedxtr wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 3:37 amif kyle is legit then he either hit a mafia in the lc / me / tutuu pool or he got redirected.
and reading tutuu’s last posts on me (page before this one) it kinda reads like her vote on me is for no reason, since she thinks i’m a 3p and not a mafia given kyle’s check
so then why vote for me over a wolf?
to unlock my stump power I needed to target and hit both a town and mafia and I only accomplished that after targeting Ted.
Thank you!Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 11:14 pmErm.. Jack and TSPLong Con wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 10:41 pmTed didn't holster a busdrive, he targeted himself and Michelle. I suspect that me getting a ted result for the track might have been a host error, and the impetus for some game-balancing via Jack and Martin's day-deaths.Hyena wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 10:36 pmlol, @Long Con, did you bus Ted?Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 4:19 pmWait...did Ted know he was gonna be tracked? Why in the world would w!Ted holster a bus drive?Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 4:14 pmIs this aimed at me? ted didn't because he was tracked by LC
Note that I would then have started with the ability to remove a player from the poll, and to curse.Hyena wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 11:22 pmAlright. LC would be more likely to be the curser in the scenario I'm imagining right now. Granted, I don't have any concrete evidence of that.