Re: Game of Champions 2020 [Day 8]
Posted: Mon Mar 08, 2021 2:52 pm
This was the first thing I thought about when I left the thread last time, and what's been bothering me the most since. Dya kill is also looming.
Murder, Mayhem, and Mafia
https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/
This was the first thing I thought about when I left the thread last time, and what's been bothering me the most since. Dya kill is also looming.
What? In that game, I was the only one who didn't bitch about compensation. You and Alison were full-on begging for a helping hand from the host. You are at the absolute top of the list of people who would try to angle for an assist that couldn't be countered. Your goal as wolf is to crush town and win by any means necessary, to the point of intentionally antagonizing people until they rage quit. You couldn't give less of a shit about how you win, so long as you do. Get outta here with this "I have the utmost respect for the integrity of the game" take.Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 2:50 pmThe really funny part of this is that Syn and I were on a wolf team that got fucked over and got no compensation...and played it out to the loss. He knows just as well as I do that the presentation of what probably happened is very probably what happened. He also knows that of the people who are likely to really whine and AtE at the hosts to get compensation...I'm waaaaaay down the list. Not my style. I try to keep the hosts from deciding the game.Syn wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 2:38 pmThank you for telling us what you did in wolf chat.Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 2:37 pmRight. Basically Jack's power was game breaking. The wolves would have no choice but to at least try to kill him, and that meant he was also the obvious doc target so pretty much the setup was broken. Wolves would have been completely in the right to say "this is too townsided to even play, and then you let TSP jerk off his post restriction and force Sloonei to out and get chopped...fuck this." That puts hosts in a very tight spot, and modkills result.Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 2:31 pmThis is my assumption as well. The Jack death occurred because TSP protected him the night before, and he should have been dead to a Mafia nightkill, I think?Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 2:29 pmThere is IMO a 90% chance that when TSP just outed in the thread that he blew off the mod instruction to post Pesci quotes the wolves cried the blues, and cried them hard, about how TSP cheated them out of their rightful kill on Jack. That leads to compensation. A compensation decision at that point could easily come as modkills on Jack and TSP.Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 2:23 pmWell, he was blocked by Radishes. Problem is, I don't know why Jack and TSP died.
Do you know if sloonei is the type to hard bus though? I've not played with him in a game, so I don't have meta there.Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 2:52 pmThis was the first thing I thought about when I left the thread last time, and what's been bothering me the most since. Dya kill is also looming.
It forces you to defend your green checks in thread, and forces people onto the record saying "no, no, greenchecks are good, LC is just town," which has the added benefit that those people are then on record effectively saying Tutuu is town.Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 2:51 pm if we're dipping into the "maybe kylemii's visits got fucked with" pool
tutuu made a lot of points against LC and how technically speaking my check could have been messed with and LC could be mafia (if he was tetris self targeted and used the block as a block on me)
what does m!tutuu gain from doing that?
also, what if she was right
I have claimed my full role multiple times, but I'll humor you once more:Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 2:49 pm I'm now at the place of HK/Michelle with Tim as a very outside possibility.
I think HK needs to claim his full role actually.
I will continue to catch up, and when done look at spew.
With his under-the-radar play, having a "hard push" get flipped as wolf would be very good for end-game chances.Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 2:55 pmDo you know if sloonei is the type to hard bus though? I've not played with him in a game, so I don't have meta there.Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 2:52 pmThis was the first thing I thought about when I left the thread last time, and what's been bothering me the most since. Dya kill is also looming.
When I read sloonei's ISO, he wanted to kill HK at every turn
He bussed Cat and Marmot, right? But it was softer, I guess. I don't know. It's probably very context dependent. And we don't know what busses could be planned. I just don't know.Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 2:55 pmDo you know if sloonei is the type to hard bus though? I've not played with him in a game, so I don't have meta there.
When I read sloonei's ISO, he wanted to kill HK at every turn
can you claim all of your guesses?hollowkatt wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 2:57 pmI have claimed my full role multiple times, but I'll humor you once more:Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 2:49 pm I'm now at the place of HK/Michelle with Tim as a very outside possibility.
I think HK needs to claim his full role actually.
I will continue to catch up, and when done look at spew.
I can submit a guess to the mods at night as to who the highest visible wagon will be the next day. if I am right, that next night, I am safe from bad things targeting me.
so like this:
N1 - guess Tim is highest visible vote getter D2
D2 - Tim is the highest visible vote getter
N2 - HK is safe from bad things that target me.
The only question I will ask you is this: When I flip green where do you turn to next and why?Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 2:52 pmThis was the first thing I thought about when I left the thread last time, and what's been bothering me the most since. Dya kill is also looming.
That isn't bussing...bussing is when you vote a packmate AND THEY GET CHOPPED. IF HK is a wolf that's just distancing, and every wolf that is worth the name will distance. Sloonei had no thread presence and he was not anywhere near pushing HK over the line.Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 2:55 pmDo you know if sloonei is the type to hard bus though? I've not played with him in a game, so I don't have meta there.Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 2:52 pmThis was the first thing I thought about when I left the thread last time, and what's been bothering me the most since. Dya kill is also looming.
When I read sloonei's ISO, he wanted to kill HK at every turn
I'm spending the next four hours trying to answer this.hollowkatt wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 2:58 pmThe only question I will ask you is this: When I flip green where do you turn to next and why?
What solutions for the game go out the window with a green HK flip? Who can you eliminate as a wolf with my body?
no problem! If there's something else you want/need from me just tag and ask. I'll get to it as soon as I can (yes I know deadline is 4 hours)Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 2:58 pm A general note - Please continue to humor people once more if they ask about something that has already been explained. I don't have the capacity to read 358 pages, and I'm sure I'm not the only one. So thanks for repeating, it only helps when there's so much info. \o/
Is "bad things" specified?hollowkatt wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 2:57 pmI have claimed my full role multiple times, but I'll humor you once more:
I can submit a guess to the mods at night as to who the highest visible wagon will be the next day. if I am right, that next night, I am safe from bad things targeting me.
so like this:
N1 - guess Tim is highest visible vote getter D2
D2 - Tim is the highest visible vote getter
N2 - HK is safe from bad things that target me.
i speculated in the early game that if HK were a wolf, investigatives would probably count as a bad thingDyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 3:01 pmIs "bad things" specified?hollowkatt wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 2:57 pmI have claimed my full role multiple times, but I'll humor you once more:
I can submit a guess to the mods at night as to who the highest visible wagon will be the next day. if I am right, that next night, I am safe from bad things targeting me.
so like this:
N1 - guess Tim is highest visible vote getter D2
D2 - Tim is the highest visible vote getter
N2 - HK is safe from bad things that target me.
How many times have you guessed right?
N2 - bet on Tim for D3Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 2:58 pmcan you claim all of your guesses?hollowkatt wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 2:57 pmI have claimed my full role multiple times, but I'll humor you once more:Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 2:49 pm I'm now at the place of HK/Michelle with Tim as a very outside possibility.
I think HK needs to claim his full role actually.
I will continue to catch up, and when done look at spew.
I can submit a guess to the mods at night as to who the highest visible wagon will be the next day. if I am right, that next night, I am safe from bad things targeting me.
so like this:
N1 - guess Tim is highest visible vote getter D2
D2 - Tim is the highest visible vote getter
N2 - HK is safe from bad things that target me.
So you have not submitted any guess for this day?hollowkatt wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 3:02 pmN2 - bet on Tim for D3
N3- bet on Tim again for D4
I realized during D4 I had no forking clue what likely wagons were going to be so I haven't submitted any other guesses this game.
Yeah, the track definitely is relevantSyn wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 3:02 pmi speculated in the early game that if HK were a wolf, investigatives would probably count as a bad thingDyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 3:01 pmIs "bad things" specified?hollowkatt wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 2:57 pmI have claimed my full role multiple times, but I'll humor you once more:
I can submit a guess to the mods at night as to who the highest visible wagon will be the next day. if I am right, that next night, I am safe from bad things targeting me.
so like this:
N1 - guess Tim is highest visible vote getter D2
D2 - Tim is the highest visible vote getter
N2 - HK is safe from bad things that target me.
How many times have you guessed right?
which seems kinda relevant to LC's track, maybe
I have never guessed right. Bad Things is paraphrased. There is no specificity given to me what bad things are.Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 3:01 pmIs "bad things" specified?hollowkatt wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 2:57 pmI have claimed my full role multiple times, but I'll humor you once more:
I can submit a guess to the mods at night as to who the highest visible wagon will be the next day. if I am right, that next night, I am safe from bad things targeting me.
so like this:
N1 - guess Tim is highest visible vote getter D2
D2 - Tim is the highest visible vote getter
N2 - HK is safe from bad things that target me.
How many times have you guessed right?
I asked, I got a no, I asked again, I got a no...there was no "OMG I'm ready to quit this is so unfair" AtE...and Alison did the same. I would bet heavily that the wolves in this game hammered hard on Dunia's heartstrings...with AtE in the same vein as "I never wanna play with you again if you suss me"...which is another thing I have never said and never will, for all of your accusations about how I play.Syn wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 2:54 pmWhat? In that game, I was the only one who didn't bitch about compensation. You and Alison were full-on begging for a helping hand from the host. You are at the absolute top of the list of people who would try to angle for an assist that couldn't be countered. Your goal as wolf is to crush town and win by any means necessary, to the point of intentionally antagonizing people until they rage quit. You couldn't give less of a shit about how you win, so long as you do. Get outta here with this "I have the utmost respect for the integrity of the game" take.Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 2:50 pmThe really funny part of this is that Syn and I were on a wolf team that got fucked over and got no compensation...and played it out to the loss. He knows just as well as I do that the presentation of what probably happened is very probably what happened. He also knows that of the people who are likely to really whine and AtE at the hosts to get compensation...I'm waaaaaay down the list. Not my style. I try to keep the hosts from deciding the game.Syn wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 2:38 pmThank you for telling us what you did in wolf chat.Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 2:37 pmRight. Basically Jack's power was game breaking. The wolves would have no choice but to at least try to kill him, and that meant he was also the obvious doc target so pretty much the setup was broken. Wolves would have been completely in the right to say "this is too townsided to even play, and then you let TSP jerk off his post restriction and force Sloonei to out and get chopped...fuck this." That puts hosts in a very tight spot, and modkills result.Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 2:31 pmThis is my assumption as well. The Jack death occurred because TSP protected him the night before, and he should have been dead to a Mafia nightkill, I think?Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 2:29 pmThere is IMO a 90% chance that when TSP just outed in the thread that he blew off the mod instruction to post Pesci quotes the wolves cried the blues, and cried them hard, about how TSP cheated them out of their rightful kill on Jack. That leads to compensation. A compensation decision at that point could easily come as modkills on Jack and TSP.Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 2:23 pm
Well, he was blocked by Radishes. Problem is, I don't know why Jack and TSP died.
That is correct. I have not submitted a guess for any day beyond 4.Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 3:03 pmSo you have not submitted any guess for this day?hollowkatt wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 3:02 pmN2 - bet on Tim for D3
N3- bet on Tim again for D4
I realized during D4 I had no forking clue what likely wagons were going to be so I haven't submitted any other guesses this game.
I mean, if HK is just town with the same role, the track would also be "HK didn't go anywhere". But as HK's role stands now, it can be checked.
Cool, thanks!hollowkatt wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 3:05 pmThat is correct. I have not submitted a guess for any day beyond 4.Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 3:03 pmSo you have not submitted any guess for this day?hollowkatt wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 3:02 pmN2 - bet on Tim for D3
N3- bet on Tim again for D4
I realized during D4 I had no forking clue what likely wagons were going to be so I haven't submitted any other guesses this game.
Just two, I think? LC and kyleDyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 3:04 pm Can someone help me with this: How many bargainees do we currently have in thread?
Alison counts as one too because of Kyle, no?Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 3:05 pmJust two, I think? LC and kyleDyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 3:04 pm Can someone help me with this: How many bargainees do we currently have in thread?
Why would you not guess tho, would there have been some hindrance in doing so? A bit like how I'm punished if I get the gamble wronghollowkatt wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 3:05 pmThat is correct. I have not submitted a guess for any day beyond 4.Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 3:03 pmSo you have not submitted any guess for this day?hollowkatt wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 3:02 pmN2 - bet on Tim for D3
N3- bet on Tim again for D4
I realized during D4 I had no forking clue what likely wagons were going to be so I haven't submitted any other guesses this game.
Seconded.Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 2:58 pm A general note - Please continue to humor people once more if they ask about something that has already been explained. I don't have the capacity to read 358 pages, and I'm sure I'm not the only one. So thanks for repeating, it only helps when there's so much info. \o/
by extension who are the other 4 dead bargaineesJustplayingitcool wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 3:05 pmJust two, I think? LC and kyleDyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 3:04 pm Can someone help me with this: How many bargainees do we currently have in thread?
If I had to speculate "bad thing" = tracked carrying the kill would break the game open if I were to have said protection, and functionally create HK the Inno Child instead of HK the guesser, so probably things like track don't count as "bad things"Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 3:05 pmI mean, if HK is just town with the same role, the track would also be "HK didn't go anywhere". But as HK's role stands now, it can be checked.
LOL...yet another quandary for the hosts there...Syn wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 3:06 pmAlison counts as one too because of Kyle, no?Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 3:05 pmJust two, I think? LC and kyleDyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 3:04 pm Can someone help me with this: How many bargainees do we currently have in thread?
Made, Ted... was 112 a bargainee?Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 3:06 pmby extension who are the other 4 dead bargaineesJustplayingitcool wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 3:05 pmJust two, I think? LC and kyleDyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 3:04 pm Can someone help me with this: How many bargainees do we currently have in thread?
the only drawback to not submitting a guess is I definitely can't earn the safety. There is no punishment for being wrong other than continuing to be unprotected. Functionally not submitting is identical to being wrong.Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 3:06 pmWhy would you not guess tho, would there have been some hindrance in doing so? A bit like how I'm punished if I get the gamble wronghollowkatt wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 3:05 pmThat is correct. I have not submitted a guess for any day beyond 4.Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 3:03 pmSo you have not submitted any guess for this day?hollowkatt wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 3:02 pmN2 - bet on Tim for D3
N3- bet on Tim again for D4
I realized during D4 I had no forking clue what likely wagons were going to be so I haven't submitted any other guesses this game.
Alright, thank you. I have received an offer.
Made...Radishes...TSP I think?...and...no fucking clueKylemii wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 3:06 pmby extension who are the other 4 dead bargaineesJustplayingitcool wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 3:05 pmJust two, I think? LC and kyleDyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 3:04 pm Can someone help me with this: How many bargainees do we currently have in thread?
Obvs I'm on michelle from that groupDyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 3:19 pm I think
HK/Tim/Michelle is a solving PoE. Two of them are probably town.
We have tracking.
I have one power.
Kyle has a role steal (but will use it for Alison?)