The Syndicate

Posted: **Tue Mar 06, 2018 9:43 pm**

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 06, 2018 9:41 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Mar 06, 2018 8:59 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Mar 06, 2018 8:57 pm Oh somebody already said that I'll shut up now K.

DDL is probably bad with LC and LC saved him.
Easiest game ever tbqh.
Isn't it. Silly Golden, giving away his teammate like this, in a faction that probably only has 2 people, knowing his role would reveal everything when it flipped.

The faction might have only 2 people over here, and two people over there.

Posted: **Tue Mar 06, 2018 9:43 pm**

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Mar 06, 2018 8:59 pm DDL/LC scumteam

If I die, lynch them both until they stop breathing.

If I don't die, I'll help.

Scheduling double lynches through multiple day phases?

Just how many civs will mafia manage to kill while you waste your time chipping through my lives?

Scheduling lynches is a horrible move and you should know it.

Posted: **Tue Mar 06, 2018 9:44 pm**

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Mar 06, 2018 9:43 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 06, 2018 9:41 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Mar 06, 2018 8:59 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Mar 06, 2018 8:57 pm Oh somebody already said that I'll shut up now K.

DDL is probably bad with LC and LC saved him.
Easiest game ever tbqh.
Isn't it. Silly Golden, giving away his teammate like this, in a faction that probably only has 2 people, knowing his role would reveal everything when it flipped.
The faction might have only 2 people over here, and two people over there.

I know.

But there are probably bad consequences for the mafia if one side gets wiped out fast.

Posted: **Tue Mar 06, 2018 9:45 pm**

Maybe they lose a kill. Or they forces the two tribes to merge earlier. Etc.

Posted: **Tue Mar 06, 2018 9:46 pm**

LC and DDL being bad together would be a metric ton of vote manipulation for mafia. That's tough for me to believe.

Posted: **Tue Mar 06, 2018 9:47 pm**

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Mar 06, 2018 9:24 pm DDL had 6 including LC and Nutella had 3 including DDL. So it wasn't tied, was it?

I had 4 because of my role. LC had to have a -1 vote power to even make this a tie. -1 vote power is achieved if he voted for civs in the first two days.

Posted: **Tue Mar 06, 2018 9:49 pm**

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 06, 2018 9:43 pm Scheduling lynches is a horrible move and you should know it.

L e g a c y

As if I have the power to 'schedule lynches.' Don't be silly to make me look bad.

Posted: **Tue Mar 06, 2018 9:50 pm**

Actually no, he had to have 0 to make it a tie. But 0 is mathematically impossible. So he had -1 vote power, and that made the lynch a 3-2 for Nutella.

Posted: **Tue Mar 06, 2018 9:51 pm**

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Mar 06, 2018 9:49 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 06, 2018 9:43 pm Scheduling lynches is a horrible move and you should know it.
L e g a c y

As if I have the power to 'schedule lynches.' Don't be silly to make me look bad.

You don't have the power, but you are suggesting something that is horrible for the civs. Wouldn't be the first time I saw mafia using that to win a game.

Posted: **Tue Mar 06, 2018 9:51 pm**

Like if you guys lynch me twice without even stopping to think it through in the middle, you are playing a shit tier game.

Posted: **Tue Mar 06, 2018 9:52 pm**

And it's not just legacy. You just said that if you live, you'll lynch me and LC over and over until we're both dead.

Posted: **Tue Mar 06, 2018 9:53 pm**

In any case, I don't think mafia should kill you over Quin or Sprityo. Speedchuck 1.0 is a civ. 2.0 could be anything.

Posted: **Tue Mar 06, 2018 9:54 pm**

I let you people lynch me in Day 3 because I was busy caring about FE.

FE is over. I'm going to raise hell and Earth to stop you from lynch me again.

Bring it on.

Posted: **Tue Mar 06, 2018 9:55 pm**

what makes you think it's mathematically impossible?

Posted: **Tue Mar 06, 2018 9:56 pm**

Dom wrote: ↑Tue Mar 06, 2018 9:55 pm what makes you think it's mathematically impossible?

He starts with 1.

If he lynches two baddies, he has 3 at Day 3.

If he lynches two civs, he has -1.

If he lynches a civ and a baddie or vice-versa, he's back at 1.

Posted: **Tue Mar 06, 2018 9:57 pm**

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 06, 2018 9:51 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Mar 06, 2018 9:49 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 06, 2018 9:43 pm Scheduling lynches is a horrible move and you should know it.
L e g a c y

As if I have the power to 'schedule lynches.' Don't be silly to make me look bad.
You don't have the power, but you are suggesting something that is horrible for the civs. Wouldn't be the first time I saw mafia using that to win a game.

Posted: **Tue Mar 06, 2018 9:57 pm**

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 06, 2018 9:54 pm I let you people lynch me in Day 3 because I was busy caring about FE.

FE is over. I'm going to raise hell and Earth to stop you from lynch me again.

Bring it on.

Posted: **Tue Mar 06, 2018 10:01 pm**

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 06, 2018 9:56 pm
Dom wrote: ↑Tue Mar 06, 2018 9:55 pm what makes you think it's mathematically impossible?
He starts with 1.

If he lynches two baddies, he has 3 at Day 3.

If he lynches two civs, he has -1.

If he lynches a civ and a baddie or vice-versa, he's back at 1.

is everyone either a civ or a baddie?
i don't know the answer to that question

Posted: **Tue Mar 06, 2018 10:02 pm**

Dom wrote: ↑Tue Mar 06, 2018 10:01 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 06, 2018 9:56 pm
Dom wrote: ↑Tue Mar 06, 2018 9:55 pm what makes you think it's mathematically impossible?
He starts with 1.

If he lynches two baddies, he has 3 at Day 3.

If he lynches two civs, he has -1.

If he lynches a civ and a baddie or vice-versa, he's back at 1.
is everyone either a civ or a baddie?
i don't know the answer to that question

Interesting. Me neither.

Posted: **Tue Mar 06, 2018 10:02 pm**

Then your proof is worthless.

Posted: **Tue Mar 06, 2018 10:09 pm**

Dom wrote: ↑Tue Mar 06, 2018 10:02 pm Then your proof is worthless.

Not exactly.

If one of Quin/Speed is an indie and the other is civ, we have a tie. Possible.

If one is an indie and the other is bad, Nutella dies. Impossible.

If both are indies, Nutella dies. Impossible.

Quin is not bad.

Posted: **Tue Mar 06, 2018 10:10 pm**

Actually I'm assuming an indie doesn't affect it. Give ma min.

Posted: **Tue Mar 06, 2018 10:11 pm**

Damn my whole analysis is a mess. Let's start it over.

Posted: **Tue Mar 06, 2018 10:11 pm**

You're assuming a lot.

I find it unlikely for Quin to be bad.

Posted: **Tue Mar 06, 2018 10:12 pm**

Dom wrote: ↑Tue Mar 06, 2018 10:11 pm I find it unlikely for Quin to be bad.

So do I. That's what I'm trying to prove.

Posted: **Tue Mar 06, 2018 10:13 pm**

I don't think you need to.

And it doesn't help you much at all.

Posted: **Tue Mar 06, 2018 10:15 pm**

[mention]Dragon D. Luffy[/mention] I find it unlikely that there is an indie doctor role, so you can knock that possibility off.

Posted: **Tue Mar 06, 2018 10:16 pm**

Dom wrote: ↑Tue Mar 06, 2018 10:13 pm I don't think you need to.

And it doesn't help you much at all.

I don't need to play mafia but I'm doing it.

Posted: **Tue Mar 06, 2018 10:18 pm**

It doesn’t hurt him either. He’s trying to solve the lynch.

Posted: **Tue Mar 06, 2018 10:19 pm**

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 06, 2018 9:53 pm In any case, I don't think mafia should kill you over Quin or Sprityo. Speedchuck 1.0 is a civ. 2.0 could be anything.

thanks buddy

Posted: **Tue Mar 06, 2018 10:23 pm**

If Quin/Speed are both civs, LC has-1. Nutella dies. Possible.

If they are both bad, LC has +3. I die. Impossible.

If one is civ and one is bad, LC has +1. I die. Impossible.

If one indie and one civ:

Spoiler: show

If one indie and one bad:

Spoiler: show

If both indies:

Spoiler: show

Assuming no extra vote manipulation, Quin is either civ or indie. He cannot be mafia.

QED.

Posted: **Tue Mar 06, 2018 10:24 pm**

Dom wrote: ↑Tue Mar 06, 2018 10:11 pm You're assuming a lot.

I find it unlikely for Quin to be bad.

Why are you crapping on DDL's attempt to make sense of things?

Posted: **Tue Mar 06, 2018 10:27 pm**

I have a strange, almost prescient feeling that tonight is going to be very fun.

Posted: **Tue Mar 06, 2018 10:28 pm**

I don't see it that way.

Posted: **Tue Mar 06, 2018 10:39 pm**

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 06, 2018 10:23 pm If Quin/Speed are both civs, LC has-1. Nutella dies. Possible.

If they are both bad, LC has +3. I die. Impossible.

If one is civ and one is bad, LC has +1. I die. Impossible.

If one indie and one civ:

Spoiler: show
If indies give +1 to LC, he has +1. I die. Impossible.

If indies give -1 to LC, he has -1. Nutella dies. Possible.

If indies give 0 to LC, he has 0. Tie. Possible.

If one indie and one bad:

Spoiler: show
If indies give +1 to LC, he has +3. I die. Impossible.

If indies give -1 to LC, he has +1. I die. Impossible.

If indies give 0 to LC, he has +2. I die. Impossible.

If both indies:

Spoiler: show
If indies give +1 to LC, he has +2. I die. Impossible.

If indies give -1 to LC, he has -0. Tie. Possible.

If indies give 0 to LC, he has +1. I die. Impossible.

Assuming no extra vote manipulation, Quin is either civ or indie. He cannot be mafia.

QED.

If all of this is true, it's very helpful. Does anyone object to it beyond reasons that we are capable of considering on our own (such as other vote manipulation in play)?

Posted: **Tue Mar 06, 2018 10:42 pm**

I don't.

Posted: **Tue Mar 06, 2018 10:44 pm**

When the next Day arrives, pretend Long Con doesn't exist.

What do you do? Where do you vote? Who is bad?

Then ultimately lynch Long Con.

Posted: **Tue Mar 06, 2018 10:51 pm**

Wht does DDL's analysis mean for him?

Posted: **Tue Mar 06, 2018 10:53 pm**

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Feb 23, 2018 10:15 pm [VOTE: nut] aubergine
The short form for nutella
To fit the haiku

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2018 11:34 am
Spoiler: show
Quin wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:44 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2018 1:19 pm Also sprit, you gave DDl a plus 1. He came in scolding people for not wanting to talk suspicions, which is not true, and then went on to discuss, not suspicions, but mechanics.

Do you have thoughts on this?
this is a half truth
i can see the cogs turning
in reading his posts

Quin wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:59 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:49 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:44 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2018 1:19 pm Also sprit, you gave DDl a plus 1. He came in scolding people for not wanting to talk suspicions, which is not true, and then went on to discuss, not suspicions, but mechanics.

Do you have thoughts on this?
this is a half truth
i can see the cogs turning
in reading his posts
I don't think it is a half truth. I see cogs as well, but perhaps different ones than you see. Also Chucks strong reaction to the RR plan got my eye, he seems to be saying he is a laid back guy, but he seemed pretty far from that when he reacted to the suggestion.

Who would you recommend I look at instead? I am not married to this vote.
nut'la's recent post
what if it is their teammate
that didn't haiku?

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2018 2:10 pm hmmmm I think I like DDL's perspective but I still see it both ways, like I see the value in learning someone's role if we can but then it sounds like they could change alignment so that could be dangerous. I'm leaning toward DDL's side then and I think even if we get a no-lynch we can still have a productive D1 discussion.

like.... what is the likelihood that there is actually someone who both didn't submit a haiku and is a member of the mafia?

I'm definitely over the haikus. Quin is giving me the feelbad jimjams with his last couple of posts. I have the uncut posts in the above spoiler tag for reference.

Quin wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:44 pm this is a half truth
i can see the cogs turning
in reading his posts
This is about DDL, in response to S~V~S' accusation that DDL was not following up adequately after pooh-poohing the Round Robin in favour of more info. What cogs do you see turning? I assume this means you can see Civ thought processes going on from DDL? This seems very off-handed and I'm going to need to hear more about this.

Quin wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:59 pm nut'la's recent post
what if it is their teammate
that didn't haiku?
This looks like lazy fearmongering. I don't think it's a true take on a baddie perspective. The risk of lynching anybody is pretty low this time, and I doubt that a baddie nutella would be so concerned that she'd need to start making sure everyone thinks it's unlikely.

[VOTE: Quin] aubergine PLASTICENE JELLYBEAN

Gonna go ahead and pencil Quin in as a civilian (in darker lead this time).

Posted: **Tue Mar 06, 2018 10:59 pm**

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Mar 06, 2018 10:39 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 06, 2018 10:23 pm If Quin/Speed are both civs, LC has-1. Nutella dies. Possible.

If they are both bad, LC has +3. I die. Impossible.

If one is civ and one is bad, LC has +1. I die. Impossible.

If one indie and one civ:

Spoiler: show
If indies give +1 to LC, he has +1. I die. Impossible.

If indies give -1 to LC, he has -1. Nutella dies. Possible.

If indies give 0 to LC, he has 0. Tie. Possible.

If one indie and one bad:

Spoiler: show
If indies give +1 to LC, he has +3. I die. Impossible.

If indies give -1 to LC, he has +1. I die. Impossible.

If indies give 0 to LC, he has +2. I die. Impossible.

If both indies:

Spoiler: show
If indies give +1 to LC, he has +2. I die. Impossible.

If indies give -1 to LC, he has -0. Tie. Possible.

If indies give 0 to LC, he has +1. I die. Impossible.

Assuming no extra vote manipulation, Quin is either civ or indie. He cannot be mafia.

QED.
If all of this is true, it's very helpful. Does anyone object to it beyond reasons that we are capable of considering on our own (such as other vote manipulation in play)?

I welcome corrections. It was 11 PM when I did this. I get dumb after 10 PM. But I think it's right this time.

Posted: **Tue Mar 06, 2018 11:06 pm**

bro i divided by two instead of subtracting like 10 mins ur good not dumb

Posted: **Tue Mar 06, 2018 11:08 pm**

Dom wrote: ↑Tue Mar 06, 2018 11:06 pm bro i divided by two instead of subtracting like 10 mins ur good not dumb

lol

I know, but I do get slower when I'm sleepy

Posted: **Tue Mar 06, 2018 11:08 pm**

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Mar 06, 2018 10:19 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 06, 2018 9:53 pm In any case, I don't think mafia should kill you over Quin or Sprityo. Speedchuck 1.0 is a civ. 2.0 could be anything.
thanks buddy

i concur

Posted: **Tue Mar 06, 2018 11:12 pm**

Speed 1.0 confirmed town then.

My first life is vindicated.

Posted: **Tue Mar 06, 2018 11:12 pm**

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Mar 06, 2018 10:19 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 06, 2018 9:53 pm In any case, I don't think mafia should kill you over Quin or Sprityo. Speedchuck 1.0 is a civ. 2.0 could be anything.
thanks buddy

np

Posted: **Tue Mar 06, 2018 11:18 pm**

Yknow I was considering the public roles in play and refrigerator is yknow obviously better than Cecil because of its anti lynch deal. Like the mafia in all sense could leave Cecil alive if they know who he is and he’s basically a glorified vanilla. In the hands of someone exceptional maybe he’d be a threat, but if Cecil is a player who isn’t gung ho, in your face making cases n what not. I wouldn’t view him as much a threat at all if I were the mafia

Posted: **Tue Mar 06, 2018 11:26 pm**

sprityo wrote: ↑Tue Mar 06, 2018 11:18 pm Yknow I was considering the public roles in play and refrigerator is yknow obviously better than Cecil because of its anti lynch deal. Like the mafia in all sense could leave Cecil alive if they know who he is and he’s basically a glorified vanilla. In the hands of someone exceptional maybe he’d be a threat, but if Cecil is a player who isn’t gung ho, in your face making cases n what not. I wouldn’t view him as much a threat at all if I were the mafia

Posted: **Tue Mar 06, 2018 11:28 pm**

I want you all to consider the Night kills. If LC is bad, start thinking about who on the other plane of existence is bad too.

Posted: **Tue Mar 06, 2018 11:29 pm**

Just a crazy day here on this tribe, Cerberus Tribe, the thread I'm talking about is this one, Cerberus. Which I am partaking in. Very fun day. I wonder what Pikachu Tribe is up to.

Posted: **Tue Mar 06, 2018 11:30 pm**

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Mar 06, 2018 11:28 pm I want you all to consider the Night kills. If LC is bad, start thinking about who on the other plane of existence is bad too.

How would this conversation start?

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