The Syndicate

Posted: **Fri Jul 16, 2021 5:04 pm**

I need to head into work, but I have reads on about half the game written out in a text file and will finish that up later. I'm pretty comfortable with my townreads, but my townleans and lower still need some sorting. I do think that my vote is in the wrong place though. From my reads:

Hollowkatt's "Red Check" looks pretty bad for them. The way they responded to the pressure is... townie though? Yeah, in fact it's really townie. Yeah, the more I look, the more I don't think that HK AtE's this hard as wolf. Like, the way they went about things is awful for us, but it feels just like any of the awful town play moments that I've seen from others. I think they're legitimately frustrated that this game has gone to where it has for them, and it just sorta oozes townie frustration. I feel bad for them, but it is what it is. Michelle had HK at locktown for much of the previous phase. Does she do that with a buddy? Ehh, I'm not sure. HK was her initial RVS vote before myself. I'm down to put them at a townlean since I still have some tinfoils there.

Flea's D2 feels HYPER-performative. Like, this hurts to read. They're here, they're posting, but they're not actually doing stuff. They have no initiative. They're just playing a part. And their voting and reads toDay look atrocious. I had at least 1.5 times as much content (probably more like 2 times since a higher percentage of my posts are content) as they did in D1 and they have no memory of me? The hell? Despite Michelle's derp on them in terms of pronouns, that doesn't seem like enough for a clear. Their interactions don't do enough for me in this size of a game, and some of them actively feel like they could be teammates. Hard Scumread.

[VOTE: Flea the Magician] aubergine

Posted: **Fri Jul 16, 2021 5:06 pm**

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Jul 16, 2021 5:01 pm
honey wrote: ↑Fri Jul 16, 2021 4:54 pm
Spoiler: show
osieorb18 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 16, 2021 4:24 pm
honey wrote: ↑Fri Jul 16, 2021 4:19 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Fri Jul 16, 2021 4:05 pm
Flea the Magician wrote: ↑Fri Jul 16, 2021 3:40 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Fri Jul 16, 2021 2:21 pm Every time I get back to the thread wildfire just keeps spreading and towns keep dying.

She's like 20 away from post cap I'm sure she'll check in every now and then
Oh yeah, she went hyper mode yesterday.
Brain glitches are fun ^_^
It's like MissngNo appears in my brain sometimes
She states she's attempting to not try hard in games.

She ends up try harding anyways.
and i hate myself for it :' )
but i literally cannot stand when people make up lies about me and try to damage my character
You're reminding me of a good friend of mine from another site right now and I'm loving it.

me n osie

i think lomos really towny this page

scotty what do you think about falcon's legacy on you right before he died?
would also like to know what hk and gnome think about it
This?
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Jul 14, 2021 2:10 am Scotty, Gnome, HK

Lynch or shoot in this pool plz.

Low posters also solid VK shots IMO, anyone less than 20 IMO
I mean, it’s a legacy from a D1. I also probably would have wanted to shoot me based on my meh D1.

Gnome can be shot tho, I agree with that.
I still hold out hope that HK isn’t bad.

I forgot I didn’t answer another question from @Garden Gnome I think:
Why do I not list her as null if I am iffy about her alignment.
First of all: that’s an odd question. Why does that matter so much to you? A scum lean is a scum lean
Most of all: I don’t give null reads. It’s akin to giving participation trophies after Tball games. No one wants those and what do you even do with them?
So scum lean

That's all fair.
Participation trophies make great paper airplanes.

Oh, and you want me shot, try to do it when it's not LYLO because that's when my townie flip will be tragic.

Posted: **Fri Jul 16, 2021 5:13 pm**

lost monkey wrote: ↑Fri Jul 16, 2021 1:45 pm Mac's fine for now, don't understand what he did during the whole hk fake claiming fiasco. I feel he could have stopped that if he wanted to.

sorry what did I do wrong exactly?

Posted: **Fri Jul 16, 2021 5:16 pm**

[VOTE: Hollowkatt] aubergine

Posted: **Fri Jul 16, 2021 5:22 pm**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jul 16, 2021 5:16 pm [VOTE: Hollowkatt] aubergine

Do you think claiming a red he knows isn't real is within hk's scum play/why would he claim it right after losing a partner?

Posted: **Fri Jul 16, 2021 5:26 pm**

BTW, did somebody send me something?

Posted: **Fri Jul 16, 2021 5:29 pm**

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jul 16, 2021 5:22 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jul 16, 2021 5:16 pm [VOTE: Hollowkatt] aubergine
Do you think claiming a red he knows isn't real is within hk's scum play/why would he claim it right after losing a partner?

Yes. It's all within his wolf play. Most importantly however is that it doesn't matter and he has to die otherwise the game becomes stupid.

Posted: **Fri Jul 16, 2021 5:29 pm**

Probably don't answer that actually but if you did send me something I got it idk what it is but I got it

Posted: **Fri Jul 16, 2021 5:30 pm**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jul 16, 2021 5:29 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jul 16, 2021 5:22 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jul 16, 2021 5:16 pm [VOTE: Hollowkatt] aubergine
Do you think claiming a red he knows isn't real is within hk's scum play/why would he claim it right after losing a partner?
Yes. It's all within his wolf play. Most importantly however is that it doesn't matter and he has to die otherwise the game becomes stupid.

I mean, idk why it's not just as likely theres mech fuckery involved? I tend to think its better to see if he gets taken out by mafia tbh, but I guess we're past that point now

Posted: **Fri Jul 16, 2021 5:30 pm**

When I initially scumread HK in spite of his claim I expected a retraction. He did it. It didn't help him so he just hard claimed and started being a giant baby. It's strictly wolfy and he dies in any game for it.

Posted: **Fri Jul 16, 2021 5:31 pm**

I don't really think he's mafia tbh but you probably know his game better than I do

Posted: **Fri Jul 16, 2021 5:31 pm**

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jul 16, 2021 5:30 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jul 16, 2021 5:29 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jul 16, 2021 5:22 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jul 16, 2021 5:16 pm [VOTE: Hollowkatt] aubergine
Do you think claiming a red he knows isn't real is within hk's scum play/why would he claim it right after losing a partner?
Yes. It's all within his wolf play. Most importantly however is that it doesn't matter and he has to die otherwise the game becomes stupid.
I mean, idk why it's not just as likely theres mech fuckery involved? I tend to think its better to see if he gets taken out by mafia tbh, but I guess we're past that point now

It doesn't matter because if he doesn't die and is town the wolves just have a giant HK sized subject to hide behind every day and we will lose to it. I have seen it more than enough. He has to be sorted.

Posted: **Fri Jul 16, 2021 5:32 pm**

So yeah sure ill follow you today

[VOTE: hk] aubergine

Posted: **Fri Jul 16, 2021 5:32 pm**

Yeah yeah I get what you're saying, im not arguing

Posted: **Fri Jul 16, 2021 5:33 pm**

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jul 16, 2021 5:31 pm I don't really think he's mafia tbh but you probably know his game better than I do

I am 50/50. But he has to die. I also don't care about this game that much and expect that little I do is going to affect the outcome of this game anywhere close to as much as pure dumb fuckery will.

Posted: **Fri Jul 16, 2021 5:37 pm**

flea
ender
osie
lime

wolfy list probably

Posted: **Fri Jul 16, 2021 5:49 pm**

Posted: **Fri Jul 16, 2021 5:59 pm**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jul 16, 2021 5:31 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jul 16, 2021 5:30 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jul 16, 2021 5:29 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jul 16, 2021 5:22 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jul 16, 2021 5:16 pm [VOTE: Hollowkatt] aubergine
Do you think claiming a red he knows isn't real is within hk's scum play/why would he claim it right after losing a partner?
Yes. It's all within his wolf play. Most importantly however is that it doesn't matter and he has to die otherwise the game becomes stupid.
I mean, idk why it's not just as likely theres mech fuckery involved? I tend to think its better to see if he gets taken out by mafia tbh, but I guess we're past that point now
It doesn't matter because if he doesn't die and is town the wolves just have a giant HK sized subject to hide behind every day and we will lose to it. I have seen it more than enough. He has to be sorted.

I agree with this. I think that he's more attitude than scum, but, whichever one it is, it's not at all helpful to town.

[VOTE: hollowkatt] aubergine

Posted: **Fri Jul 16, 2021 6:03 pm**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jul 16, 2021 5:37 pm flea
ender
osie
lime

wolfy list probably

Well that readlist doesn't match the gamestate at all...

Do you just not care about the game or are you wolfclaiming? I thought you were town, but this is bad.

Posted: **Fri Jul 16, 2021 6:04 pm**

Also MacDougall is doing exactly what HK predicted that scum would do... This feels too easy especially since Mac was acting townie before.

I have a bit more time than I thought but I still may leave soon for work.

Posted: **Fri Jul 16, 2021 6:08 pm**

osieorb18 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 16, 2021 6:03 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jul 16, 2021 5:37 pm flea
ender
osie
lime

wolfy list probably
Well that readlist doesn't match the gamestate at all...

Do you just not care about the game or are you wolfclaiming? I thought you were town, but this is bad.

It is 4 scummy slots. Explain to me how it doesn't match the gamestate?

Posted: **Fri Jul 16, 2021 6:09 pm**

osieorb18 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 16, 2021 6:04 pm Also MacDougall is doing exactly what HK predicted that scum would do... This feels too easy especially since Mac was acting townie before.

I have a bit more time than I thought but I still may leave soon for work.

HK said he has to be resolved. He does. I'll be dammed if I am going to give a shit about being scumread for doing the logical thing. With my role I have been half contemplating claiming it and letting the mafia soup me anyway.

Posted: **Fri Jul 16, 2021 6:11 pm**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jul 16, 2021 6:08 pm
osieorb18 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 16, 2021 6:03 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jul 16, 2021 5:37 pm flea
ender
osie
lime

wolfy list probably
Well that readlist doesn't match the gamestate at all...

Do you just not care about the game or are you wolfclaiming? I thought you were town, but this is bad.
It is 4 scummy slots. Explain to me how it doesn't match the gamestate?

Only one of those players is actually scummy, though.

And you're voting HK instead.

Also, you think Flea and I are on a team? That I was partners with Michelle and now I'm trying to bus right after losing the strongest member of the team by far in your world? I just don't see how you're coming to that team at all.

Posted: **Fri Jul 16, 2021 6:14 pm**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jul 16, 2021 6:09 pm
osieorb18 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 16, 2021 6:04 pm Also MacDougall is doing exactly what HK predicted that scum would do... This feels too easy especially since Mac was acting townie before.

I have a bit more time than I thought but I still may leave soon for work.
HK said he has to be resolved. He does. I'll be dammed if I am going to give a shit about being scumread for doing the logical thing. With my role I have been half contemplating claiming it and letting the mafia soup me anyway.

I think he has to be resolved before LyLO/MyLO but I'm not actually convinced that he has to be resolved on this phase. We have more agency than that and more pointing to Dolby or Flea based on Michelle.

Posted: **Fri Jul 16, 2021 6:15 pm**

@MacDougall Like, you've said you think 4 players other than HK are the wolves. But you want to eliminate someone you think is probably Town before any of the players in your world.

Posted: **Fri Jul 16, 2021 6:19 pm**

I think I'd have to believe that HK is one of the worst players I've ever played with to believe that they are definitely mafia here over even half of the players currently in the game. And I think HK is one of the better players in this thread.

Posted: **Fri Jul 16, 2021 6:36 pm**

osieorb18 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 16, 2021 6:19 pm I think I'd have to believe that HK is one of the worst players I've ever played with to believe that they are definitely mafia here over even half of the players currently in the game. And I think HK is one of the better players in this thread.

I can't read him. So maybe, he's one of the better players.

Posted: **Fri Jul 16, 2021 6:47 pm**

Not getting my wallpost done before work for realsies; on my way out now, but I'm between Dolby/Flea/TH as my favourite elims at the moment for the Day, with Flea the most extreme followed by TH.

Posted: **Fri Jul 16, 2021 7:01 pm**

osieorb18 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 16, 2021 6:47 pm Not getting my wallpost done before work for realsies; on my way out now, but I'm between Dolby/Flea/TH as my favourite elims at the moment for the Day, with Flea the most extreme followed by TH.

I'm really not seeing scum in Flea so I would like to know what you're thinking. Please share your thoughts about this group after work!

Posted: **Fri Jul 16, 2021 8:58 pm**

Posted: **Fri Jul 16, 2021 9:20 pm**

osieorb18 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 16, 2021 6:19 pm I think I'd have to believe that HK is one of the worst players I've ever played with to believe that they are definitely mafia here over even half of the players currently in the game. And I think HK is one of the better players in this thread.

how does this make sense from a town perspective?

Posted: **Fri Jul 16, 2021 9:33 pm**

hk is selfing and i've never seen someone who's mafia pre-emptively self vote i've onlly seen it to reach majority to end the day faster

mac u also said u think hk is town multiple times in the past 15 hours and now youre voting them and pushing them even though you still seem to think they're town? i could ask you the same question youre asking osie

[VOTE: dolby] aubergine

Posted: **Fri Jul 16, 2021 9:42 pm**

honey wrote: ↑Fri Jul 16, 2021 9:33 pm hk is selfing and i've never seen someone who's mafia pre-emptively self vote i've onlly seen it to reach majority to end the day faster

mac u also said u think hk is town multiple times in the past 15 hours and now youre voting them and pushing them even though you still seem to think they're town? i could ask you the same question youre asking osie

[VOTE: dolby] aubergine

I have seen it more times than you could imagine.

I said he was towny Then TSP flipped green and HK hasn't gotten townier since ppl started trying to give him a pass. He just has to die.

Posted: **Fri Jul 16, 2021 9:54 pm**

Honey, I forgot about Dolby, thanks for inspiring me. so I just looked through Michele/Dolby interactions…

Michele almost exclusively doesn’t talk about Dolby, except to get him to come play. Towards the end of the day, she offers this:
“ 12. @Dolby ISO - 27 p, dunno, his vote on Scotty without reading Iso looks bad, probably scum indicative?”
Casts doubt but very wishy washy about it.

On Dolby’s side, he never mentions Michele except at EoD to say her read of Ender was a roller coaster.

If what osie’s saying is true, and I don’t have the authority to say otherwise, that when Michele is bad she only engages with her partners if they bring her in, Dolby holds lots of scum equity.

Add on to that, i can’t pinpoint any part of Dolby’s iso in yesterday or d2 that screams towny, I’m all for a [VOTE: Dolby] aubergine vote

Posted: **Fri Jul 16, 2021 10:10 pm**

[VOTE: dolby] aubergine

Scotty's case is convincing, and my vote on Hollowkatt is based on the player's attitude, which may or may not be AI.

Posted: **Fri Jul 16, 2021 10:27 pm**

Dolby wrote: ↑Thu Jul 15, 2021 9:23 pm I’m getting soup killed for this

HK, Seanzie, and myself were all intended gun recipients last night. This is a random 3, and non-exhaustive.

I did receive a gun

HK’s and Seanzie’s guns came from the same source

Dolby wrote: ↑Fri Jul 16, 2021 1:06 am
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Fri Jul 16, 2021 1:04 am
Dolby wrote: ↑Fri Jul 16, 2021 1:02 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Jul 16, 2021 1:01 am
Dolby wrote: ↑Fri Jul 16, 2021 12:46 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Jul 16, 2021 12:44 am did dolby really claim to be the one who handed out explosive guns because I have no idea what to do with that either
I HAVE a gun
do you know where you got it from
No
Didn't you say it was you giving it to yourself?
I don’t know where my gun came from and I’m holding onto hope that I can avoid a soup kill

Riddle me this.
He says he’s getting soup killed. Pretty brazen about that. Heavily implied that he used a power to “rand” guns out.
In this trio, if what Dolby is saying is true: 1 gun was a misfire, 1 is being holstered by HK (we guess) and 1 was a regular gun.
How convenient that the regular gun belonged to Dolby.

Now we don’t know what exactly this power is, and it isn’t alignment indicative, but what we do know is

A) Dolby laughed at soup
B) Dolby had a working gun that he felt confident enough to use
C) he eliminated TSP and then posts this peculiar post:

Dolby wrote: ↑Fri Jul 16, 2021 10:32 am Ok HK dies

And he probs actually has a gun but it should do the same thing as Seanzie’s

So D) he is pushing for HK chop AND is super confident that HK’s gun is also a self-blower-upper. He’s SURE that the role that gave him these guns has 2 duds and 1 success.

I don’t think Dolby feels he is in danger of getting soup killed at all and is hedging that we will town read him for “doing the right thing” shooting TSP

Posted: **Fri Jul 16, 2021 10:37 pm**

Devil’s advocate is that Dolby “saw” that role give out those guns and everything he is saying is true.

This is where get exasperated and look in the back of the crossword puzzle book at the answers. I’m not sure if I’m in the tunnel or if I’m even on the right track here but it seems fishy. The whole gun thing seems fishy.

Because ALSO one of Dolby and HK is probably lying about HK having a gun. Dolby only says that HK was an intended recipient which means HK could’ve been blocked. Which I guess is possible.

Shoot town!HK getting blocked AND having a faulty red check? What are the odds?

This is madness

Posted: **Fri Jul 16, 2021 10:38 pm**

I mean we can just wait and see if he gets souped or not

Posted: **Fri Jul 16, 2021 10:39 pm**

HK remains scummy for all the reasons I said to begin with and now has a disproven red check to add to it. No amount of looking towny overcomes this. Y'all need therapy.

Posted: **Fri Jul 16, 2021 10:39 pm**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jul 16, 2021 10:38 pm I mean we can just wait and see if he gets souped or not

Who, HK? I agree.

Let’s let HK get souped. That’s actually a splendid idea mac!

Everyone, vote elsewhere than HK today

Posted: **Fri Jul 16, 2021 10:40 pm**

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Jul 16, 2021 10:39 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jul 16, 2021 10:38 pm I mean we can just wait and see if he gets souped or not
Who, HK? I agree.

Let’s let HK get souped. That’s actually a splendid idea mac!

Everyone, vote elsewhere than HK today

actually also a good point I didn't consider lmao

Posted: **Fri Jul 16, 2021 10:40 pm**

[VOTE: Ender] aubergine

Posted: **Fri Jul 16, 2021 10:41 pm**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jul 16, 2021 10:39 pm HK remains scummy for all the reasons I said to begin with and now has a disproven red check to add to it. No amount of looking towny overcomes this. Y'all need therapy.

Insurance won’t cover it. But the subway rats, they whisper things to me, which counts as therapy right?

Posted: **Fri Jul 16, 2021 10:41 pm**

I'm seeing what Scotty is saying about Dolby. The weird "I don't know where I got the gun from" when he stated what he did already is there. Then shooting the "red check" then proceeding to vote HK after the flip. Could all just be massively opportunistic.

[VOTE: Dolby] aubergine

Posted: **Fri Jul 16, 2021 10:43 pm**

Two >rand wolves sheeping the Dolby push is pretty lame cuz I kinda wanna vote there lol.

Posted: **Fri Jul 16, 2021 10:44 pm**

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Jul 16, 2021 10:41 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jul 16, 2021 10:39 pm HK remains scummy for all the reasons I said to begin with and now has a disproven red check to add to it. No amount of looking towny overcomes this. Y'all need therapy.
Insurance won’t cover it. But the subway rats, they whisper things to me, which counts as therapy right?

yes true

Posted: **Fri Jul 16, 2021 10:45 pm**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jul 16, 2021 10:43 pm Two >rand wolves sheeping the Dolby push is pretty lame cuz I kinda wanna vote there lol.

i choked on my apple cider reading this lmaoooo

Posted: **Fri Jul 16, 2021 10:47 pm**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jul 16, 2021 10:43 pm Two >rand wolves sheeping the Dolby push is pretty lame cuz I kinda wanna vote there lol.

What are even your concerns on me right now? Like the only reason you're scumreading me is for townreading Honey, whom I've played numerous games with and know how she plays as either alignment?

Posted: **Fri Jul 16, 2021 10:48 pm**

honey wrote: ↑Fri Jul 16, 2021 10:45 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jul 16, 2021 10:43 pm Two >rand wolves sheeping the Dolby push is pretty lame cuz I kinda wanna vote there lol.
i choked on my apple cider reading this lmaoooo

I am gonna just go ahead and lock you in as mafia. You're basically at the point where you are just outed by endlessly nagging at me without doing jack shit about it. A town would have voted me by now.

Posted: **Fri Jul 16, 2021 10:49 pm**

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Fri Jul 16, 2021 10:47 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jul 16, 2021 10:43 pm Two >rand wolves sheeping the Dolby push is pretty lame cuz I kinda wanna vote there lol.
What are even your concerns on me right now? Like the only reason you're scumreading me is for townreading Honey, whom I've played numerous games with and know how she plays as either alignment?

Yall are just like powerwolfing and shielding each other right? Wolves controlling the thread p much?

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