The Syndicate

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 10:07 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 10:06 pm I just think it's pretty likely that wilgy hit the thread immediately in antispew tbh

I'm not sure what "antispew" would be in this context. What is Wilgy trying to convey (or "anti-convey") by musing over the possibility that MR could have been hammered?

Like he came in under suspicion with several votes ("who's munchin on that lhf") and deduced he was in trouble and as first priority tried to make his teammate seem like he was not his teammate. Then realised he wasn't being chopped and dropped it.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 10:13 pm If I ignore all notions of building a total game theory and just give flat reads of players in isolation, it'd look something like this:

c4e5g3d5
Hally

NotAnAxehole
MacDougall


Dyslexicon
DrWilgy

Nanook
Master Radishes

i’m actually not as sold on c4 as i was yesterday. he feels a bit off today just because i’d expect him to have a bit more investment after a villager got lunched.

also talk about NAA? he’s still squarely PoE to me. and i would move dizzy up a tier.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 10:14 pm Part of me wants to just move Dizzy back up to establish the POE of 3 needed, but it would be irresponsible at this point.

what’s your issue with him?

Hally wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 10:26 pm also talk about NAA? he’s still squarely PoE to me. and i would move dizzy up a tier.

I think NAA might have had the most town EOD of any player. That includes the lead-up to the elimination and the response to Alison's troll. Everything about that sequence I have seen from him before in prior town games.

Hally wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 10:27 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 10:14 pm Part of me wants to just move Dizzy back up to establish the POE of 3 needed, but it would be irresponsible at this point.

what’s your issue with him?

I don't have a clear understanding of his view of the game. I feel like I should.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 10:15 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 10:14 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 10:03 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 9:51 pm i don’t really find radishes treatment of it bad

no offense to wilgy but i think his entire thing with hammers was ridiculous and i don’t fault radishes for thinking it was absurd too

I don't think it was ridiculous necessarily if viewed through the lens that Wilgy believed the hammer to be 5 votes instead of 6. For someone to sit around at L-1 for hours would genuinely be important to discuss.

More importantly to me though, if MR is going to treat it as ridiculous while also not advocating for Wilgy's elimination, then that makes no sense to me.

i don’t see why radishes has to try to kill wilgy if he thinks the take is ridiculous? people can say ridiculous things and not be wolves for it

i don’t think there’s necessarily a disconnect there

He can think it is ridiculous, but does he need to actively poke at the game thread to remind us how ridiculous it is? This has a concretely negative impact on Wilgy's thread status.

idk i doubt he was intending for it to harm wilgy’s thread status even if he’s a wolf and wilgy is a villager

regardless of radishes alignment i’m pretty sure it was just a joke

As for c4, I am not really bothered by his SOD2, but I don't oppose him facing the music a bit so to speak. He'll have to earn his keep.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 10:21 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 10:19 pm like, w!wilgy enters the thread D1 and immediately goes “i’m going to give up and anti-spew”? i doubt it

I don't think this is an absurd thought

has he done that before? seems kinda eh to give up on his team like that

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 10:25 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 10:07 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 10:06 pm I just think it's pretty likely that wilgy hit the thread immediately in antispew tbh

I'm not sure what "antispew" would be in this context. What is Wilgy trying to convey (or "anti-convey") by musing over the possibility that MR could have been hammered?

Like he came in under suspicion with several votes ("who's munchin on that lhf") and deduced he was in trouble and as first priority tried to make his teammate seem like he was not his teammate. Then realised he wasn't being chopped and dropped it.

maybe idk

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 10:13 pm If I ignore all notions of building a total game theory and just give flat reads of players in isolation, it'd look something like this:

c4e5g3d5
Hally

NotAnAxehole
MacDougall


Dyslexicon
DrWilgy

Nanook
Master Radishes

why is c4 your top town?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 10:29 pm As for c4, I am not really bothered by his SOD2, but I don't oppose him facing the music a bit so to speak. He'll have to earn his keep.

so your top town is something you're not that sure of?

i feel like we’re getting too caught up in associations and worldbuilding stuff

i don’t think it’s fruitful to focus on that until we get a wolf flip or it’s lylo

we should just kill the wolfiest person regardless of any associations today

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 10:33 pm why is c4 your top town?

Tiers aren't ordered. Hally would be top town if I had to name one, but I am comfortable with c4. I think he has shown numerous instances of following a clear and sincere path from A to B when making reads, promoting reads, answering prompts from others about their own reads, and generally involving himself in the broader hunting effort. I could probably nitpick things if I wanted (e.g. the Alison read), but by the standards of this game thread I think he is well ahead of the curve. I believe his posts.

Hally wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 10:31 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 10:21 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 10:19 pm like, w!wilgy enters the thread D1 and immediately goes “i’m going to give up and anti-spew”? i doubt it

I don't think this is an absurd thought

has he done that before? seems kinda eh to give up on his team like that

I mean it's not giving up yeah its trying to set up for their continued success, playing as a team rather than selfishly

Idk I'm townreading him so I don't think its *likely* I just don't see it as an outlandish thought

nook, why are you voting c4?

If anyone replies to this with "OMG YOUR READS EARLIER WERE DIFFERENT" I am gonna ...

Hally
Axe

my only two townreads

I don't trust anyone else

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 10:28 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 10:26 pm also talk about NAA? he’s still squarely PoE to me. and i would move dizzy up a tier.

I think NAA might have had the most town EOD of any player. That includes the lead-up to the elimination and the response to Alison's troll. Everything about that sequence I have seen from him before in prior town games.

can you link me a game you have in mind? or just point me to it

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 10:50 pm If anyone replies to this with "OMG YOUR READS EARLIER WERE DIFFERENT" I am gonna ...

Hally
Axe

my only two townreads

I don't trust anyone else

OMG YOUR READS EARLIER WERE DIFFERENT

my only town read is myself

Hally wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 10:51 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 10:50 pm If anyone replies to this with "OMG YOUR READS EARLIER WERE DIFFERENT" I am gonna ...

Hally
Axe

my only two townreads

I don't trust anyone else

OMG YOUR READS EARLIER WERE DIFFERENT

stab

the best part of playing on ts is the smilies

why do we have this lol

Hally wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 10:54 pm

why do we have this lol

Folks used to call it the "drive-by vote", when they'd pop in, toss a vote on a wagon, and bail on the thread without saying much/anything. Cue emoji.

[VOTE: radishes] aubergine

Hally wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 10:50 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 10:28 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 10:26 pm also talk about NAA? he’s still squarely PoE to me. and i would move dizzy up a tier.

I think NAA might have had the most town EOD of any player. That includes the lead-up to the elimination and the response to Alison's troll. Everything about that sequence I have seen from him before in prior town games.

can you link me a game you have in mind? or just point me to it

Fleabag is the closest analog I can find off-hand. I have forgotten so much about recent games.

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 6:37 pm It's lost all effect anyway and it's only about the amount of time you want to waste now.

Where was this meant for?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 11:09 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 10:50 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 10:28 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 10:26 pm also talk about NAA? he’s still squarely PoE to me. and i would move dizzy up a tier.

I think NAA might have had the most town EOD of any player. That includes the lead-up to the elimination and the response to Alison's troll. Everything about that sequence I have seen from him before in prior town games.

can you link me a game you have in mind? or just point me to it

Fleabag is the closest analog I can find off-hand. I have forgotten so much about recent games.

?

he seems so much more villagery in that game

what am i missing lol

it's jay being mafia

like, if you’re telling me that’s emblematic of his town game he’s just a wolf, no? because his posts here suck by comparison

Hally wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 11:26 pm?

he seems so much more villagery in that game

what am i missing lol

I'm referring to a specific thing, e.g. treatment of a mass-suspect Day 1 that NAA himself town reads (in that game, sig). It's not a perfect comparison. There may be a better example, but I cannot remember specifically. Beyond just metagaming though, I think NAA handled the end of this Day 1 the way I expect him to handle it if he becomes confident about Alison being town (as she makes her final contributions over the last hour) and the momentum still carries through her being chopped despite him.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 11:27 pm it's jay being mafia

I'll tell you right now that as mafia, the last thing I ever do is hand town freebies from the set of players that would be easy to POE (like NAA). I'm calling him town here, because I believe that to be the most likely reality.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 11:31 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 11:26 pm?

he seems so much more villagery in that game

what am i missing lol

I'm referring to a specific thing, e.g. treatment of a mass-suspect Day 1 that NAA himself town reads (in that game, sig). It's not a perfect comparison. There may be a better example, but I cannot remember specifically. Beyond just metagaming though, I think NAA handled the end of this Day 1 the way I expect him to handle it if he becomes confident about Alison being town (as she makes her final contributions over the last hour) and the momentum still carries through her being chopped despite him.

but you acknowledge his posts there feel very different in general? you should skim his iso there again because it’s a pretty stark difference imo

Hally wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 10:44 pm nook, why are you voting c4?

Iawy read

i’m surprised it was so hard to get traction on my push D1 if that’s what his town game looks like lol

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 11:39 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 10:44 pm nook, why are you voting c4?

Iawy read

what does this mean

@Hally, if I limit the comparison to the Days 1, then yes he looked better in general inFleabag than here. I think that kind of gets at what I am trying to describe. At EOD he played more like that. He found his own standard when it counted. He certainly started slower this time which led to all the initial suspicion.

jay keeps saying that he'd not do this or that as mafia and it's just so out of character for town jay to even humour peasantry like this

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 11:42 pm jay keeps saying that he'd not do this or that as mafia and it's just so out of character for town jay to even humour peasantry like this

No it isn’t. This happens literally every time we fight, where you tell me I don’t usually do things that I often do. Please screenshot this for reference next time.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 11:41 pm @Hally, if I limit the comparison to the Days 1, then yes he looked better in general inFleabag than here. I think that kind of gets at what I am trying to describe. At EOD he played more like that. He found his own standard when it counted. He certainly started slower this time which led to all the initial suspicion.

it’s not just D1, i skimmed up to his D2 and he started way more villagery than here

Who are your current town reads Hally?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 11:45 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 11:42 pm jay keeps saying that he'd not do this or that as mafia and it's just so out of character for town jay to even humour peasantry like this

No it isn’t. This happens literally every time we fight, where you tell me I don’t usually do things that I often do. Please screenshot this for reference next time.

what are the last cpl games we were both town in?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 11:54 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 11:45 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 11:42 pm jay keeps saying that he'd not do this or that as mafia and it's just so out of character for town jay to even humour peasantry like this

No it isn’t. This happens literally every time we fight, where you tell me I don’t usually do things that I often do. Please screenshot this for reference next time.

what are the last cpl games we were both town in?

Truly don’t remember. If you rattle of your recent town games I can affirm if I played in any as town.

The best example is always Dogs vs. Cats, Mac.

why do I remember you as town being more dismissive of me and treating me like an overzealous puppy?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 11:59 pm why do I remember you as town being more dismissive of me and treating me like an overzealous puppy?

In the most recent game or games perhaps that applied. I don’t know. Despite our long history I do think you and I have ever had a good grasp on each other’s metas.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 11:51 pm Who are your current town reads Hally?

you and mac may be my strongest now funnily enough

then maybe dizzy and c4? but i can see worlds where they’re wolves

idk i’m honestly finding it hard to get comfortable town reads this game

i’d really like to be able to clear someone in the NAA/nook/radishes/wilgy group but the villagers in there aren’t making it easy to find them

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 12:01 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 11:59 pm why do I remember you as town being more dismissive of me and treating me like an overzealous puppy?

In the most recent game or games perhaps that applied. I don’t know. Despite our long history I don't think you and I have ever had a good grasp on each other’s metas.

correction