The Syndicate

Roxy wrote: ↑Tue Oct 17, 2023 12:50 pm In pain and need a pill will be back when I wake up again.

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Tue Oct 17, 2023 1:04 pm

Roxy is obv wolf for another reason but I can't be assed to explain it because I know I won't be able to and I will just be annoyed that nobody understands my point.

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 17, 2023 10:22 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 7:32 pm

Roxy wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 6:58 am I want to pull Delta quotes and Thunal quotes but I'd also like to ask LongCon why he ignored my responses to his posts.

I didn't ignore them, I read them. I just didn't have any follow-up, your answers were acceptable. I just looked back at them again and I don't have a follow-up for it, thank you for answering and I'm sorry you felt ignored. Abi's reveal kind of took over the mindscape a little probably.

I think this is a slight good look for Roxy btw. Her catchup looks fine, but I don't like her SVS vote or her "I'm bad, bye" post so she's in my PoE.

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 17, 2023 10:27 pm I feel very comfortable calling Abi, pyxxy, and Delta town. Epi and Jack are probably town but are my "hard game" tinfoils. SVS I almost feel comfortable townlocking and her being maf would take more tinfoil than Epi or Jack but I don't quite have the same confidence as with Abi, pyxxy, or Delta.

I have the same immediate PoE of Wilgy, Roxy, and Nanook.

Roxy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 10:29 am

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 17, 2023 10:27 pm I feel very comfortable calling Abi, pyxxy, and Delta town. Epi and Jack are probably town but are my "hard game" tinfoils. SVS I almost feel comfortable townlocking and her being maf would take more tinfoil than Epi or Jack but I don't quite have the same confidence as with Abi, pyxxy, or Delta.

I have the same immediate PoE of Wilgy, Roxy, and Nanook.

you and Jack POE is the same but I have to ask you think all of the baddies are low posters? I am like middling but the others?
I have no sus of Wigly but Nook.....is another story

pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Oct 17, 2023 7:36 pm

Delta wrote: ↑Tue Oct 17, 2023 6:59 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Oct 17, 2023 6:37 pm

Delta wrote: ↑Tue Oct 17, 2023 3:03 pm If anyone's around actually just ping me because I wanna get some sort of back and forth going over just shouting to the void ;_; it's how I work best

am I too late

A little x_x though if you have any thoughts you want a second opinion on then post them & I'll get back to you tomorrow \o/

*gestures at my posts*

I'll just take (tomorrow) your digestion of what Jack just posted, I don't have anything more interesting

Delta wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 10:45 am

Spoiler: show

pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Oct 17, 2023 7:36 pm

Delta wrote: ↑Tue Oct 17, 2023 6:59 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Oct 17, 2023 6:37 pm

Delta wrote: ↑Tue Oct 17, 2023 3:03 pm If anyone's around actually just ping me because I wanna get some sort of back and forth going over just shouting to the void ;_; it's how I work best

am I too late

A little x_x though if you have any thoughts you want a second opinion on then post them & I'll get back to you tomorrow \o/

*gestures at my posts*

I'll just take (tomorrow) your digestion of what Jack just posted, I don't have anything more interesting

I'll get back to you on this in a bit \o/ I havent forgotten

Roxy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 10:29 am

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 17, 2023 10:27 pm I feel very comfortable calling Abi, pyxxy, and Delta town. Epi and Jack are probably town but are my "hard game" tinfoils. SVS I almost feel comfortable townlocking and her being maf would take more tinfoil than Epi or Jack but I don't quite have the same confidence as with Abi, pyxxy, or Delta.

I have the same immediate PoE of Wilgy, Roxy, and Nanook.

you and Jack POE is the same but I have to ask you think all of the baddies are low posters? I am like middling but the others?
I have no sus of Wigly but Nook.....is another story

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 6:42 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 17, 2023 7:15 pm

Delta wrote: ↑Tue Oct 17, 2023 5:14 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 17, 2023 4:42 pm I want the solve to be "It's Wilgy because his play yesterday wrt my slot and Leetic's was bad and it's Roxy because she is trying to open up the POE by pushing Delta and myself (and Abby? maybe not) and it's not Nanook because he's relatively comfortable with the gamestate compared to the other two players in the POE and it's not anybody else because you are very smart, Jack, and you correctly townread everyone else for smart boy reasons."

Can you talk to me about these reasons? Even if it's just a brief thing for everyone, I'm at a somewhat similar point to what you are myself so I just want a sanity check if anything & a second voice to see where our thoughts differ \o/

Almost forgot to respond to this.

Abby - Town for the red peek thing that ultimately resulted in Long Con's death. Just generally you don't see wolves do crazy fancy pants plays to get their teammate killed. I disagree with Abby's worldview today but she's town.

Thunal - Early LC detractor. Her solving around my slot feels very honest. (I'm biased, here.) Went out of her way to get me to see SVS as town, ensuring LC was yeeted. Generally agree with most everything she's said, some before she says them and some by being convinced. Surely town.

SVS - This post is particularly townie https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 7#p1078007 but she's also just got some town mindset interactions with Leetic and Abby. She's tunneled on me but her push on me doesn't feel agenday. If Roxy is a wolf (likely through POE alone), Roxy and LC both voting SVS is a super good look.

Pyxxy - LC voting his teammate D1 in the way he did would be kinda weird. The case was actually bad, though. It made sense in a vacuum but after thinking about it for two seconds, it was just bad. Wolves don't tend to make up bad arguments against teammates. They just use real ones. In general, Pyxxy's solving around Abby has felt honest if misguided. I don't detect anything else that could even be construed as a wolf attempting to open the POE. Like he's flat defending me. Town.

Delta - You've seemed honest throughout the game. Your tone and mindset just look incredibly townie. You bounce votes and are sometimes like "wait no that's not where I should be voting actually" and it feels like an actual change in opinion, not some wolfy gear shifting. Being shaded by Roxy is a potential good look.

Epi - This is hard to explain. Sometimes both alignments Epi feels like he's treading water. This tends to be because of real life stuff so sometimes, I get suspicious of town Epi. I can't always read him. However, there's a thing he only does as town and that's when he looks like he's hunting for wolves. It's not about activity level or antagonism but a hunting attitude. You can see it in his posts about Long Con this morning like here https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 8#p1078548. There's a bit of it D1 as well like here https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 5#p1077815 where it feels like his investment is from a town mindset. And this post here https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 2#p1078262 reads as an honest town though. It's not impossible for Epi to be a wolf but I'd be super surprised if he was.

Jack - Shoes of a townie. YEAH!

So that's where I get to my pretty confident 3 player POE of Wilgy, Roxy and Nanook.

From there, Wilgy's play yesterday was pretty gross. His continuing to push me reads as a wolf who doesn't know what to do so is just hammering on the same points. Roxy looks like she's attempting to open the POE with dishonest pushes. Nanook is just like weeee whatever. So of my 3 player POE, I think 2 of them are doing scummy things and one is like existing.

That particularly towny post is also spectacularly wrong and kinda embarrassing. And yeah, bad SVS tries not to say pedantic lecturey things like that when she knows its wrong.

Roxy was in the hospital and she voted me becasue she knew I could deal with that. I 100000% think she would not do that if she were bad (I originally wrote "do that bad", I have to get that wording out of my head), use our irl friendship as a chip or ploy in a game. Nuh uh.

For reasons as stated in my last post, I also think Wilgy is not bad. I can't ever read nanook, he always comes across as kind and vaguely disinterested regardless of alignment, so I'll sheep Abigail on this.

And yeah, I guess i am tunnelling you. But lots of tunnels have a baddie at the end, and tunnelling by itself is not automatically wrong.

Also re pyxxys day one vote, if I don't want to end up on the townie, I vote a teammate when it's feasible to do so. Makes for excellent distancing on Day 3 when someone says, "LC voting his teammate D1 in the way he did would be kinda weird". Pyxxy isn't on my active radar, but that's a naive reason to exclude someone from suspish imo, kinda wifomy.

Delta wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 10:44 am

Roxy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 10:29 am

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 17, 2023 10:27 pm I feel very comfortable calling Abi, pyxxy, and Delta town. Epi and Jack are probably town but are my "hard game" tinfoils. SVS I almost feel comfortable townlocking and her being maf would take more tinfoil than Epi or Jack but I don't quite have the same confidence as with Abi, pyxxy, or Delta.

I have the same immediate PoE of Wilgy, Roxy, and Nanook.

you and Jack POE is the same but I have to ask you think all of the baddies are low posters? I am like middling but the others?
I have no sus of Wigly but Nook.....is another story

Yeah I have noticed that a few of us have near identical POEs, do you think that's more town driven or wolf driven?

If you're town, do you think there's wolves encouraging a POE of lowposters here?

I am slightly worried theres like 3-4 of us w identical POEs but also I dont know where I'm wrong if my reads are so ;_; it's odd

Roxy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 11:19 am

Delta wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 10:45 am

Spoiler: show

pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Oct 17, 2023 7:36 pm

Delta wrote: ↑Tue Oct 17, 2023 6:59 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Oct 17, 2023 6:37 pm

Delta wrote: ↑Tue Oct 17, 2023 3:03 pm If anyone's around actually just ping me because I wanna get some sort of back and forth going over just shouting to the void ;_; it's how I work best

am I too late

A little x_x though if you have any thoughts you want a second opinion on then post them & I'll get back to you tomorrow \o/

*gestures at my posts*

I'll just take (tomorrow) your digestion of what Jack just posted, I don't have anything more interesting

I'll get back to you on this in a bit \o/ I havent forgotten

you keep asking for people to engage and pyx has tried but you resisted thus far - is there a reason for it?

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 11:36 am “Using”?

Yikes.

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 11:34 am

Spoiler: show

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 6:42 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 17, 2023 7:15 pm

Delta wrote: ↑Tue Oct 17, 2023 5:14 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 17, 2023 4:42 pm I want the solve to be "It's Wilgy because his play yesterday wrt my slot and Leetic's was bad and it's Roxy because she is trying to open up the POE by pushing Delta and myself (and Abby? maybe not) and it's not Nanook because he's relatively comfortable with the gamestate compared to the other two players in the POE and it's not anybody else because you are very smart, Jack, and you correctly townread everyone else for smart boy reasons."

Can you talk to me about these reasons? Even if it's just a brief thing for everyone, I'm at a somewhat similar point to what you are myself so I just want a sanity check if anything & a second voice to see where our thoughts differ \o/

Almost forgot to respond to this.

Abby - Town for the red peek thing that ultimately resulted in Long Con's death. Just generally you don't see wolves do crazy fancy pants plays to get their teammate killed. I disagree with Abby's worldview today but she's town.

Thunal - Early LC detractor. Her solving around my slot feels very honest. (I'm biased, here.) Went out of her way to get me to see SVS as town, ensuring LC was yeeted. Generally agree with most everything she's said, some before she says them and some by being convinced. Surely town.

SVS - This post is particularly townie https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 7#p1078007 but she's also just got some town mindset interactions with Leetic and Abby. She's tunneled on me but her push on me doesn't feel agenday. If Roxy is a wolf (likely through POE alone), Roxy and LC both voting SVS is a super good look.

Pyxxy - LC voting his teammate D1 in the way he did would be kinda weird. The case was actually bad, though. It made sense in a vacuum but after thinking about it for two seconds, it was just bad. Wolves don't tend to make up bad arguments against teammates. They just use real ones. In general, Pyxxy's solving around Abby has felt honest if misguided. I don't detect anything else that could even be construed as a wolf attempting to open the POE. Like he's flat defending me. Town.

Delta - You've seemed honest throughout the game. Your tone and mindset just look incredibly townie. You bounce votes and are sometimes like "wait no that's not where I should be voting actually" and it feels like an actual change in opinion, not some wolfy gear shifting. Being shaded by Roxy is a potential good look.

Epi - This is hard to explain. Sometimes both alignments Epi feels like he's treading water. This tends to be because of real life stuff so sometimes, I get suspicious of town Epi. I can't always read him. However, there's a thing he only does as town and that's when he looks like he's hunting for wolves. It's not about activity level or antagonism but a hunting attitude. You can see it in his posts about Long Con this morning like here https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 8#p1078548. There's a bit of it D1 as well like here https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 5#p1077815 where it feels like his investment is from a town mindset. And this post here https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 2#p1078262 reads as an honest town though. It's not impossible for Epi to be a wolf but I'd be super surprised if he was.

Jack - Shoes of a townie. YEAH!

So that's where I get to my pretty confident 3 player POE of Wilgy, Roxy and Nanook.

From there, Wilgy's play yesterday was pretty gross. His continuing to push me reads as a wolf who doesn't know what to do so is just hammering on the same points. Roxy looks like she's attempting to open the POE with dishonest pushes. Nanook is just like weeee whatever. So of my 3 player POE, I think 2 of them are doing scummy things and one is like existing.

That particularly towny post is also spectacularly wrong and kinda embarrassing. And yeah, bad SVS tries not to say pedantic lecturey things like that when she knows its wrong.

Roxy was in the hospital and she voted me becasue she knew I could deal with that. I 100000% think she would not do that if she were bad (I originally wrote "do that bad", I have to get that wording out of my head), use our irl friendship as a chip or ploy in a game. Nuh uh.

For reasons as stated in my last post, I also think Wilgy is not bad. I can't ever read nanook, he always comes across as kind and vaguely disinterested regardless of alignment, so I'll sheep Abigail on this.

And yeah, I guess i am tunnelling you. But lots of tunnels have a baddie at the end, and tunnelling by itself is not automatically wrong.

Also re pyxxys day one vote, if I don't want to end up on the townie, I vote a teammate when it's feasible to do so. Makes for excellent distancing on Day 3 when someone says, "LC voting his teammate D1 in the way he did would be kinda weird". Pyxxy isn't on my active radar, but that's a naive reason to exclude someone from suspish imo, kinda wifomy.

@Roxy can you confirm that your SVS vote was using your irl friendship? What did you mean by saying she'd know what you meant?

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 6:27 am

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 17, 2023 11:11 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Oct 16, 2023 9:16 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 16, 2023 7:30 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 3:21 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 2:00 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 1:48 pm Cook the goose!

Boil the duck!

Pepper the chicken!

Nice wagon you're joining. What will you do when I flip town?

Probably cry a little.

Maybe eat dinner. EoD is around that time.

Then look at your reads and see if they take me somewhere.

Oh also figure out who started the wagon on you.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 3:27 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 3:21 pm Jack is the first person to defend me from a fake red check. I don't know if I should be happy or concerned

Oh.

Okie dokie. Let's yeet Jack

[VOTE: Jackoftarts] aubergine

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 3:45 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 3:32 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 3:27 pm

Oh.

Okie dokie. Let's yeet Jack

[VOTE: Jackoftarts] aubergine

I'll join you, better wagon than the current biggest one [VOTE: Jack] aubergine

Hell yeah, let's goooooo

If Jack is town, which I'm leaning that he is, this jump on looks terrible. Wilgy also took some time to say what would happen if leetic flipped town in response to their question isntead of something like "well you were red checked". He knew about the check, but if he didn't catch up a lot why would he know there was a real chance leetic would flip town?

[VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine

Why would my response to "what if I'm town" be "well your not"? That undermines the entire point of Lwetic asking me that.

Gross reason to vote me.

I don't like him jumping to saying this was a gross reason to vote me. When I showed my town entitlement in the thread he backed off pretty quick and I easily see him thinking I was unpushable.

About that post about me actually randing wolf, I feel like his thought would be stronger than "what if she randed wolf again" and that wasn't even his first thought.

I hope I don't switch between tunneling and cold feet on Wilgy all day tomorrow.

It's posts like this that kinda make me think he is town. He'll be licking people or only posting the words yes/no, and someone votes him for what he considers an invalid reason (and when you're town, is there ever a valid reason?) and he comes in and at them in this way.

Wilgy and LC had almost no interaction. LC asked him if he was gonna play and Wilgy kinda Wilgied it off. Normally this would be kinda red flaggish for me, but Wilgy actively interacts with teammates in thread, he's the best at that kind of distancing. I don't see LC/Wilgy as viable, even without the tell.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 11:36 am “Using”?

Yikes.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 11:38 am

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 11:36 am “Using”?

Yikes.

@Thunal33 that is really loaded language. Maybe leaning?

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 11:32 am

Roxy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 10:29 am

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 17, 2023 10:27 pm I feel very comfortable calling Abi, pyxxy, and Delta town. Epi and Jack are probably town but are my "hard game" tinfoils. SVS I almost feel comfortable townlocking and her being maf would take more tinfoil than Epi or Jack but I don't quite have the same confidence as with Abi, pyxxy, or Delta.

I have the same immediate PoE of Wilgy, Roxy, and Nanook.

you and Jack POE is the same but I have to ask you think all of the baddies are low posters? I am like middling but the others?
I have no sus of Wigly but Nook.....is another story

I think at least the maf have no control of the thread. Games where the maf can control the thread feel different from this. Delta and I are basically allowed to control the thread without a lot of challenge to that, and leetic was when they were alive. I'd expect more pushback if there were high posting mafia.

Roxy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 11:45 am

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 11:32 am

Roxy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 10:29 am

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 17, 2023 10:27 pm I feel very comfortable calling Abi, pyxxy, and Delta town. Epi and Jack are probably town but are my "hard game" tinfoils. SVS I almost feel comfortable townlocking and her being maf would take more tinfoil than Epi or Jack but I don't quite have the same confidence as with Abi, pyxxy, or Delta.

I have the same immediate PoE of Wilgy, Roxy, and Nanook.

you and Jack POE is the same but I have to ask you think all of the baddies are low posters? I am like middling but the others?
I have no sus of Wigly but Nook.....is another story

I think at least the maf have no control of the thread. Games where the maf can control the thread feel different from this. Delta and I are basically allowed to control the thread without a lot of challenge to that, and leetic was when they were alive. I'd expect more pushback if there were high posting mafia.

explain this better bc as it stands it is hitting me wrong. You do not think like someone is widely town read so they can just help "lead" the town? Like a pocket couldn't have happened or that the higher posting wolf is actually a great player?

Roxy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 10:43 am I need food bbl I will try not to take pain meds until I finish.

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 11:55 am On second thought it might be a less easy game than I thought since Roxy's thoughts vibe fairly towny so I probably have to look outside the immediate PoE for one of the wolves. Sure, it makes sense for wolf Roxy to expand the PoE, but it also makes sense for town Roxy to expand the PoE since the current one leaves no room for error if she's town. She has to believe it's exactly Wilgy/Nanook.

Roxy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 10:29 am

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 17, 2023 10:27 pm I feel very comfortable calling Abi, pyxxy, and Delta town. Epi and Jack are probably town but are my "hard game" tinfoils. SVS I almost feel comfortable townlocking and her being maf would take more tinfoil than Epi or Jack but I don't quite have the same confidence as with Abi, pyxxy, or Delta.

I have the same immediate PoE of Wilgy, Roxy, and Nanook.

you and Jack POE is the same but I have to ask you think all of the baddies are low posters? I am like middling but the others?
I have no sus of Wigly but Nook.....is another story

Roxy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 10:40 am @Epignosis - hi buddy. I know you have a sus on me and tbf I have a zero read on you mostly bc I have been wrong every time. So yah no read but I do notice you are posting slightly more than normal but that's it I got nothing from them. I neither find you town nor bad. NULL.

Roxy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 10:42 am @DrWilgy I read you as town it is what it is. You are playing your own way, no gimmicks but still....feels very townie.

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 11:55 am On second thought it might be a less easy game than I thought since Roxy's thoughts vibe fairly towny so I probably have to look outside the immediate PoE for one of the wolves. Sure, it makes sense for wolf Roxy to expand the PoE, but it also makes sense for town Roxy to expand the PoE since the current one leaves no room for error if she's town. She has to believe it's exactly Wilgy/Nanook.

pyxxy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 12:10 pm

Roxy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 10:43 am I need food bbl I will try not to take pain meds until I finish.

your priorities are yours to decide but uh don't skimp on pain meds my friend o7

Delta wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 10:44 am

Roxy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 10:29 am

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 17, 2023 10:27 pm I feel very comfortable calling Abi, pyxxy, and Delta town. Epi and Jack are probably town but are my "hard game" tinfoils. SVS I almost feel comfortable townlocking and her being maf would take more tinfoil than Epi or Jack but I don't quite have the same confidence as with Abi, pyxxy, or Delta.

I have the same immediate PoE of Wilgy, Roxy, and Nanook.

you and Jack POE is the same but I have to ask you think all of the baddies are low posters? I am like middling but the others?
I have no sus of Wigly but Nook.....is another story

Yeah I have noticed that a few of us have near identical POEs, do you think that's more town driven or wolf driven?

If you're town, do you think there's wolves encouraging a POE of lowposters here?

I am slightly worried theres like 3-4 of us w identical POEs but also I dont know where I'm wrong if my reads are so ;_; it's odd

pyxxy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 12:24 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 11:55 am On second thought it might be a less easy game than I thought since Roxy's thoughts vibe fairly towny so I probably have to look outside the immediate PoE for one of the wolves. Sure, it makes sense for wolf Roxy to expand the PoE, but it also makes sense for town Roxy to expand the PoE since the current one leaves no room for error if she's town. She has to believe it's exactly Wilgy/Nanook.

?

Roxy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 10:29 am

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 17, 2023 10:27 pm I feel very comfortable calling Abi, pyxxy, and Delta town. Epi and Jack are probably town but are my "hard game" tinfoils. SVS I almost feel comfortable townlocking and her being maf would take more tinfoil than Epi or Jack but I don't quite have the same confidence as with Abi, pyxxy, or Delta.

I have the same immediate PoE of Wilgy, Roxy, and Nanook.

you and Jack POE is the same but I have to ask you think all of the baddies are low posters? I am like middling but the others?
I have no sus of Wigly but Nook.....is another story

Roxy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 10:40 am @Epignosis - hi buddy. I know you have a sus on me and tbf I have a zero read on you mostly bc I have been wrong every time. So yah no read but I do notice you are posting slightly more than normal but that's it I got nothing from them. I neither find you town nor bad. NULL.

Roxy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 10:42 am @DrWilgy I read you as town it is what it is. You are playing your own way, no gimmicks but still....feels very townie.

I could see roxy opening up Epi here. You are spot on about the Wilgy resistance, but also with so many shared poes having Wilgy, it's not roxy holding out is a real trendsetter.

re: room for error, you mean how many chops we have left?

Roxy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 12:42 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 12:10 pm

Roxy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 10:43 am I need food bbl I will try not to take pain meds until I finish.

your priorities are yours to decide but uh don't skimp on pain meds my friend o7

I know you are right I just want to be here and try to play the game JPIC has created bc I adore this players list
Once I take my meds there is no telling when I'll wake up.

pyxxy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 12:24 pm re: room for error, you mean how many chops we have left?

pyxxy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 12:45 pm Really what Thunal and you are asking is, if the thread is town-driven, as it appears to be, is that a good thing or a bad thing? And I think the answer to that is, well, are your poes true poes, as the definition goes? If you think your pool contains the scum, then town consensus is a good thing here and we're gonna win. If you're actually concerned about how you formed your poe, then talk to me about that.

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 12:47 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 12:24 pm re: room for error, you mean how many chops we have left?

I meant town Roxy would have to believe in an exact solve of Wilgy/Nanook to believe the PoE is correct.

Delta wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 12:52 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 12:45 pm Really what Thunal and you are asking is, if the thread is town-driven, as it appears to be, is that a good thing or a bad thing? And I think the answer to that is, well, are your poes true poes, as the definition goes? If you think your pool contains the scum, then town consensus is a good thing here and we're gonna win. If you're actually concerned about how you formed your poe, then talk to me about that.

I worry because I feel like my thoughts are less 'I genuinely feel this person can be mafia' and more 'I have no names left other than these guys' which is why I'm seeking second opinions & seeing how people reached the same conclusions I did, to see if there's anything I missed that could strengthen my own reads or maybe shed light on where I'm going wrong

I'm working through Jack's post right now so that'll have some of my own thoughts, though I feel he echoed a lot of the reasons I'm townreading people also which feels good for me. I'll ping you when I post it since that's what you wanted me to work through last night \o/

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 17, 2023 7:15 pm

Delta wrote: ↑Tue Oct 17, 2023 5:14 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 17, 2023 4:42 pm I want the solve to be "It's Wilgy because his play yesterday wrt my slot and Leetic's was bad and it's Roxy because she is trying to open up the POE by pushing Delta and myself (and Abby? maybe not) and it's not Nanook because he's relatively comfortable with the gamestate compared to the other two players in the POE and it's not anybody else because you are very smart, Jack, and you correctly townread everyone else for smart boy reasons."

Can you talk to me about these reasons? Even if it's just a brief thing for everyone, I'm at a somewhat similar point to what you are myself so I just want a sanity check if anything & a second voice to see where our thoughts differ \o/

Almost forgot to respond to this.

Abby - Town for the red peek thing that ultimately resulted in Long Con's death. Just generally you don't see wolves do crazy fancy pants plays to get their teammate killed. I disagree with Abby's worldview today but she's town.
I agree with the latter part of this, but Abi's play mainly cleared Leetic more than it did out LC. LC's reaction to it felt very artificial to the claim, which did get them killed, but it wasn't a play to specifically get LC killed there. So not really sure what you mean by the first part, could you explain that a little?

Thunal - Early LC detractor. Her solving around my slot feels very honest. (I'm biased, here.) Went out of her way to get me to see SVS as town, ensuring LC was yeeted. Generally agree with most everything she's said, some before she says them and some by being convinced. Surely town.
Agreed on this, I feel like Thunal's echoed a lot of my thoughts which feels good.

SVS - This post is particularly townie https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 7#p1078007 but she's also just got some town mindset interactions with Leetic and Abby. She's tunneled on me but her push on me doesn't feel agenday. If Roxy is a wolf (likely through POE alone), Roxy and LC both voting SVS is a super good look.
Agreed on this

Pyxxy - LC voting his teammate D1 in the way he did would be kinda weird. The case was actually bad, though. It made sense in a vacuum but after thinking about it for two seconds, it was just bad. Wolves don't tend to make up bad arguments against teammates. They just use real ones. In general, Pyxxy's solving around Abby has felt honest if misguided. I don't detect anything else that could even be construed as a wolf attempting to open the POE. Like he's flat defending me. Town.
Pyxxy's EOD stuff with Abi was what made me do a 180 in how I read him so 100% w/ this & yeah the LC stuff is a good look.

Delta - You've seemed honest throughout the game. Your tone and mindset just look incredibly townie. You bounce votes and are sometimes like "wait no that's not where I should be voting actually" and it feels like an actual change in opinion, not some wolfy gear shifting. Being shaded by Roxy is a potential good look.
me \o/

Epi - This is hard to explain. Sometimes both alignments Epi feels like he's treading water. This tends to be because of real life stuff so sometimes, I get suspicious of town Epi. I can't always read him. However, there's a thing he only does as town and that's when he looks like he's hunting for wolves. It's not about activity level or antagonism but a hunting attitude. You can see it in his posts about Long Con this morning like here https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 8#p1078548. There's a bit of it D1 as well like here https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 5#p1077815 where it feels like his investment is from a town mindset. And this post here https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 2#p1078262 reads as an honest town though. It's not impossible for Epi to be a wolf but I'd be super surprised if he was.
Agreed & from the limited experience I have with Epi, he feels different to when we were wolves together a while back which also feels good.

Jack - Shoes of a townie. YEAH!
sound logic tbh :^)

So that's where I get to my pretty confident 3 player POE of Wilgy, Roxy and Nanook.

From there, Wilgy's play yesterday was pretty gross. His continuing to push me reads as a wolf who doesn't know what to do so is just hammering on the same points. Roxy looks like she's attempting to open the POE with dishonest pushes. Nanook is just like weeee whatever. So of my 3 player POE, I think 2 of them are doing scummy things and one is like existing.

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 12:58 pm

Delta wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 12:52 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 12:45 pm Really what Thunal and you are asking is, if the thread is town-driven, as it appears to be, is that a good thing or a bad thing? And I think the answer to that is, well, are your poes true poes, as the definition goes? If you think your pool contains the scum, then town consensus is a good thing here and we're gonna win. If you're actually concerned about how you formed your poe, then talk to me about that.

I worry because I feel like my thoughts are less 'I genuinely feel this person can be mafia' and more 'I have no names left other than these guys' which is why I'm seeking second opinions & seeing how people reached the same conclusions I did, to see if there's anything I missed that could strengthen my own reads or maybe shed light on where I'm going wrong

I'm working through Jack's post right now so that'll have some of my own thoughts, though I feel he echoed a lot of the reasons I'm townreading people also which feels good for me. I'll ping you when I post it since that's what you wanted me to work through last night \o/

Yeah, it's mostly that the PoE is less towny rather than that they're wolfy. Wilgy is the only one I have reasons to actually think he's a wolf, and even there I'm not totally confident like I was when I was riding the high of LC's flip.

pyxxy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 1:19 pm I think I'm down with a Wilgy nook wagon-off

[VOTE: Nanook] aubergine

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 11:34 am Roxy was in the hospital and she voted me becasue she knew I could deal with that. I 100000% think she would not do that if she were bad use our irl friendship as a chip or ploy in a game. Nuh uh.

Roxy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 12:40 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 11:55 am On second thought it might be a less easy game than I thought since Roxy's thoughts vibe fairly towny so I probably have to look outside the immediate PoE for one of the wolves. Sure, it makes sense for wolf Roxy to expand the PoE, but it also makes sense for town Roxy to expand the PoE since the current one leaves no room for error if she's town. She has to believe it's exactly Wilgy/Nanook.

glad you added this second thought bc the first one is you just digging your heels in and that is not townie in my eyes.

And I do not believe Wigly is a wolf. So it would have to be a double Nook and that is impossible.