The Syndicate

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat May 26, 2018 9:54 pm

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sat May 26, 2018 5:36 pmKyle being killed is certainly interesting. I suck at NKA, and I typically don't like to employ it, but it seems the mafia team has switched strategies from "lol" to "kill the player least likely to be lynched".

I was the only player to suspect Kyle, let up on it even though I still had it on the back of my mind, so he was under no pressure.

I think this means the first kill was potentially meant to frame someone or get us looking in a specific direction. I'd be wary of people trying to steer that conversation. From what I recall, Jay did this.

That concerns me greatly.

What do you think about what I mentioned about Kyle not knowing who Gladys Campbell was. That (plus Kyle was basically not paying attention or doing much) is why in my mind this is a strange kill. You're pulling paranoia out of your ass with your accusations, excuse my expression. I disagree that he's not looking at possibilities. And he's done ISOs and work when he's been around. I've been on a scum team with Jimmeey, and my impression is definitely that he doesn't bus needlessly. It's just not the smart thing to do. I also believe he would not make the kills that has been made.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 27, 2018 8:12 pm @M Plus 7, why haven't you participated in the Gladys Campbell check claims?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat May 26, 2018 9:54 pm MP, why is Nutella your top town read?

Charlie Blackmon wrote: ↑Sat May 26, 2018 11:53 pm

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sat May 26, 2018 8:19 pm 215 posts. Is this what it's like to ISO me? Goodness.

Yours is easy, Watch:

Considers everything.

Accuses this person.

Defends that person.

Considers everything in twelve posts.

Asks nine questions in ten posts.

Considers everything in seventeen posts.

Can't be around much because he's busy.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 27, 2018 12:00 pm [VOTE: Marmot] aubergine

This is still my preference. I have more active suspicion of him than I do of Elohcin.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Sun May 20, 2018 4:32 pm well, at least that was a quick catch up. I agree this game is less serious than usual at the moment. There are a lot of votes being thrown around. I personally like votes that are not changeable only because it forces players to think more about who they are voting for. There are no "pressure votes" and what not. As of right now, I can see why JJJ has the most votes (even though it's only 2). His excuses for not carrying the thread don't feel genuine. He is participating enough in another game he is in. I may vote that way but first I would like to hear from others more. I don't like to just throw votes around. Who here is born again?

Elohcin wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 8:45 am Good job guys! As I was reading through what was going on, I would have changed to Chou if I were here EoD. But alas, I was hanging out with the family.

I will try to be more active. My heart's just not in it.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Fri May 25, 2018 8:34 am That lynch really stank. I wasn't around for EoD and If my life wasn't threatened, I could have been convinced to vote elsewhere.

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sun May 27, 2018 8:21 pm I'm switching to Elo for now to make sure these wagons are competitive.

[VOTE: ELOHCIN] aubergine

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sun May 27, 2018 8:20 pm Quin, why are you town reading Elo and Marmot?

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sun May 27, 2018 8:20 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 27, 2018 12:00 pm [VOTE: Marmot] aubergine

This is still my preference. I have more active suspicion of him than I do of Elohcin.

Can you explain your thoughts regarding both of them, like if they are each alignment? I'm just curious what all you are considering in your assessments for each.

Quin wrote: ↑Sun May 27, 2018 8:28 pm

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sun May 27, 2018 8:20 pm Quin, why are you town reading Elo and Marmot?

clean slate. i have no read on marmot anymore.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 27, 2018 8:28 pm

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sun May 27, 2018 8:20 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 27, 2018 12:00 pm [VOTE: Marmot] aubergine

This is still my preference. I have more active suspicion of him than I do of Elohcin.

Can you explain your thoughts regarding both of them, like if they are each alignment? I'm just curious what all you are considering in your assessments for each.

Marmot inherited Mac, and I didn't care for Mac on Day 1. He received suspicion and did nothing more than laugh at it, and then Choutas said that "Mac is right in the role" thing which continues to show itself brightly when I review this game. Marmot himself is generally off-meta, has given considerable focus to his suspicion of you (which, despite his considerable effort, I still don't understand with clarity), and his Choutas vote was crappy at face value. On the other hand, I can respect the effort he has given, and it's easier to believe he is trying to solve the game than some others in the poll. That can only go so far, but it's something.

The best thing I can say for Elohcin is that she didn't capitalize on her opportunity to get me lynched on Day 1. At this point that isn't such a standout thing though, and I have no reason to believe she has a vested interest in solving the game. That may not be so abnormal for her, but I cannot give her a break when my POE pool has become relatively limited with her in it.

I have active suspicion of Marmot. For Elohcin, it's more an absence of good things.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Fri May 25, 2018 6:10 pm

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JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 21, 2018 12:31 pm My time is soon to become restricted in this game. If I do end up lynched, then I want the following to be my last request:

Make this game move in my absence and give a strong effort. If you kill your most effortful contributor and then let the game snail along, you literally will owe me an apology. Spare yourself that awkward nonsense and let it roll. In my ever-conceited view, I have been almost the only thing standing in the way of this game devolving into the same kind of horrible pace that resulted in the cakewalk mafia wins of Great Gatsby and 2018 Syndicate Mafia, and that I controlled easily in Phenon Origins.

Don't take the ability out of my hands to influence my own chance to win and then guarantee that I will lose by playing lazy Mafia.

Or else.

I'll be around throughout the day, but not really in real time. I'll have to pick my spots.

This, too, feels earnest. I believe that a scum Jay would take the effort he put into this post and instead put it into a spirited defense of himself, or an offense on someone else. Whatever it would be, not this.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat May 26, 2018 8:36 pm I don’t know about Jay you guys. Would he make a legacy post that long, for the second time in the game, if he were scum? My instinct and knowledge of him as a player tells me he’d put the effort to try to frame somebody else instead or something.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 27, 2018 8:34 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Fri May 25, 2018 6:10 pm

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JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 21, 2018 12:31 pm My time is soon to become restricted in this game. If I do end up lynched, then I want the following to be my last request:

Make this game move in my absence and give a strong effort. If you kill your most effortful contributor and then let the game snail along, you literally will owe me an apology. Spare yourself that awkward nonsense and let it roll. In my ever-conceited view, I have been almost the only thing standing in the way of this game devolving into the same kind of horrible pace that resulted in the cakewalk mafia wins of Great Gatsby and 2018 Syndicate Mafia, and that I controlled easily in Phenon Origins.

Don't take the ability out of my hands to influence my own chance to win and then guarantee that I will lose by playing lazy Mafia.

Or else.

I'll be around throughout the day, but not really in real time. I'll have to pick my spots.

This, too, feels earnest. I believe that a scum Jay would take the effort he put into this post and instead put it into a spirited defense of himself, or an offense on someone else. Whatever it would be, not this.

Spoiler: show

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat May 26, 2018 7:54 pm I hate bussing my teammates and have never done it on Day 1 in my Mafia career. It “can” work, but on balance it’s a net negative. I don’t engage in foolery and tricks when there is no need. I lynch civilians and I win.

I cannot hunt without an opportunity to comb ISOs and discuss topics live. Ideally I’ll have my chance later, but if I do end up lynched I have a fucking demand.

If you’re a civilian and you lynched me, especially if your name is M Plus 7, you will follow these instructions:

1. You will not wallow in misery and frustration.
2. You will not lament your mistake.
3. You will not allow yourself to give anything away to the mafia team.
4. You will transform your bad feelings about murdering me into increased intensity and will to win.
5. You will hunt without mercy, and without regard for having been wrong about me.
6. You will lynch those who give you no inspiration.
7. You will not lynch those who do unless you have truly uncovered a sound and plausible case.
8. You will do this in my memory, for you will have ripped my control over ending my losing streak from my grasp and shouldered it yourself.
9. You will not let me down.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat May 26, 2018 8:36 pm I don’t know about Jay you guys. Would he make a legacy post that long, for the second time in the game, if he were scum? My instinct and knowledge of him as a player tells me he’d put the effort to try to frame somebody else instead or something.

I would like someone other than Colin to talk to me about this. Assume for a moment, just for the sake of argument, that I am a civilian. Within that framework, tell me what you think of these posts from Colin.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 21, 2018 3:18 am What was that, 2 or 3 years ago? To say my play is shit when looking at the very last game we played together is funny.

Anway it's interesting that when I said I had your number you assumed I meant as a civ hunting rather than just generally.

Also I was just having some fun waiting to replace out. Marmot is stepping in for me. Enjoy.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Sun May 27, 2018 8:09 pm I'm voting to save myself because I am civ. I rarely see marmot as bad, but there is more of a chance that he is bad because I am civ.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 27, 2018 8:36 pm I find Quin's observations here agreeable and feel more solidified in my present Elohcin vote.

nutella wrote: ↑Sun May 27, 2018 8:38 pm Haha everyone voting for eloh is a mod and everyone voting for marmot is a green normie

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sun May 27, 2018 8:35 pm He looks awful if you're town, that's part of the reason he sank to the bottom tier of my rainbow. I'd consider hot potatoing him if we could pull it off; I'm not sure that's necessary either though.

nutella wrote: ↑Sun May 27, 2018 8:38 pm Haha everyone voting for eloh is a mod and everyone voting for marmot is a green normie

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sun May 27, 2018 8:35 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 27, 2018 8:34 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Fri May 25, 2018 6:10 pm

Spoiler: show

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 21, 2018 12:31 pm My time is soon to become restricted in this game. If I do end up lynched, then I want the following to be my last request:

Make this game move in my absence and give a strong effort. If you kill your most effortful contributor and then let the game snail along, you literally will owe me an apology. Spare yourself that awkward nonsense and let it roll. In my ever-conceited view, I have been almost the only thing standing in the way of this game devolving into the same kind of horrible pace that resulted in the cakewalk mafia wins of Great Gatsby and 2018 Syndicate Mafia, and that I controlled easily in Phenon Origins.

Don't take the ability out of my hands to influence my own chance to win and then guarantee that I will lose by playing lazy Mafia.

Or else.

I'll be around throughout the day, but not really in real time. I'll have to pick my spots.

This, too, feels earnest. I believe that a scum Jay would take the effort he put into this post and instead put it into a spirited defense of himself, or an offense on someone else. Whatever it would be, not this.

Spoiler: show

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat May 26, 2018 7:54 pm I hate bussing my teammates and have never done it on Day 1 in my Mafia career. It “can” work, but on balance it’s a net negative. I don’t engage in foolery and tricks when there is no need. I lynch civilians and I win.

I cannot hunt without an opportunity to comb ISOs and discuss topics live. Ideally I’ll have my chance later, but if I do end up lynched I have a fucking demand.

If you’re a civilian and you lynched me, especially if your name is M Plus 7, you will follow these instructions:

1. You will not wallow in misery and frustration.
2. You will not lament your mistake.
3. You will not allow yourself to give anything away to the mafia team.
4. You will transform your bad feelings about murdering me into increased intensity and will to win.
5. You will hunt without mercy, and without regard for having been wrong about me.
6. You will lynch those who give you no inspiration.
7. You will not lynch those who do unless you have truly uncovered a sound and plausible case.
8. You will do this in my memory, for you will have ripped my control over ending my losing streak from my grasp and shouldered it yourself.
9. You will not let me down.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat May 26, 2018 8:36 pm I don’t know about Jay you guys. Would he make a legacy post that long, for the second time in the game, if he were scum? My instinct and knowledge of him as a player tells me he’d put the effort to try to frame somebody else instead or something.

I would like someone other than Colin to talk to me about this. Assume for a moment, just for the sake of argument, that I am a civilian. Within that framework, tell me what you think of these posts from Colin.

He looks awful if you're town, that's part of the reason he sank to the bottom tier of my rainbow. I'd consider hot potatoing him if we could pull it off; I'm not sure that's necessary either though.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 27, 2018 8:39 pm

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sun May 27, 2018 8:35 pm He looks awful if you're town, that's part of the reason he sank to the bottom tier of my rainbow. I'd consider hot potatoing him if we could pull it off; I'm not sure that's necessary either though.

I don't think we should do that. It's still only Day 3 and we're 1 for 2. We're fine, and that'd feel like a knee-jerk. It's just something to consider moving forward.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sun May 27, 2018 8:40 pm

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sun May 27, 2018 8:35 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 27, 2018 8:34 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Fri May 25, 2018 6:10 pm

Spoiler: show

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 21, 2018 12:31 pm My time is soon to become restricted in this game. If I do end up lynched, then I want the following to be my last request:

Make this game move in my absence and give a strong effort. If you kill your most effortful contributor and then let the game snail along, you literally will owe me an apology. Spare yourself that awkward nonsense and let it roll. In my ever-conceited view, I have been almost the only thing standing in the way of this game devolving into the same kind of horrible pace that resulted in the cakewalk mafia wins of Great Gatsby and 2018 Syndicate Mafia, and that I controlled easily in Phenon Origins.

Don't take the ability out of my hands to influence my own chance to win and then guarantee that I will lose by playing lazy Mafia.

Or else.

I'll be around throughout the day, but not really in real time. I'll have to pick my spots.

This, too, feels earnest. I believe that a scum Jay would take the effort he put into this post and instead put it into a spirited defense of himself, or an offense on someone else. Whatever it would be, not this.

Spoiler: show

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat May 26, 2018 7:54 pm I hate bussing my teammates and have never done it on Day 1 in my Mafia career. It “can” work, but on balance it’s a net negative. I don’t engage in foolery and tricks when there is no need. I lynch civilians and I win.

I cannot hunt without an opportunity to comb ISOs and discuss topics live. Ideally I’ll have my chance later, but if I do end up lynched I have a fucking demand.

If you’re a civilian and you lynched me, especially if your name is M Plus 7, you will follow these instructions:

1. You will not wallow in misery and frustration.
2. You will not lament your mistake.
3. You will not allow yourself to give anything away to the mafia team.
4. You will transform your bad feelings about murdering me into increased intensity and will to win.
5. You will hunt without mercy, and without regard for having been wrong about me.
6. You will lynch those who give you no inspiration.
7. You will not lynch those who do unless you have truly uncovered a sound and plausible case.
8. You will do this in my memory, for you will have ripped my control over ending my losing streak from my grasp and shouldered it yourself.
9. You will not let me down.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat May 26, 2018 8:36 pm I don’t know about Jay you guys. Would he make a legacy post that long, for the second time in the game, if he were scum? My instinct and knowledge of him as a player tells me he’d put the effort to try to frame somebody else instead or something.

I would like someone other than Colin to talk to me about this. Assume for a moment, just for the sake of argument, that I am a civilian. Within that framework, tell me what you think of these posts from Colin.

He looks awful if you're town, that's part of the reason he sank to the bottom tier of my rainbow. I'd consider hot potatoing him if we could pull it off; I'm not sure that's necessary either though.

How is what I’ve said any different/worse than any other meta analysis I or other people have provided in the thread?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 27, 2018 8:41 pm Another angle to address while we're here and the wagons are split in two primary directions. Which one is more likely to be unlynchable? I understand it's difficult to tell, but I think it'd be prudent to try.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sun May 27, 2018 8:42 pm MP, you’d be open to a hot potato of me even when you’ve expressed more serious interest in lynching other players...? And yet you accuse me of being up for anything?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 27, 2018 8:41 pm Another angle to address while we're here and the wagons are split in two primary directions. Which one is more likely to be unlynchable? I understand it's difficult to tell, but I think it'd be prudent to try.

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sun May 27, 2018 8:44 pm Sorry, Colin. No offense intended of course. Your tone and opinions just keep reading as insincere.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun May 27, 2018 8:45 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 27, 2018 8:41 pm Another angle to address while we're here and the wagons are split in two primary directions. Which one is more likely to be unlynchable? I understand it's difficult to tell, but I think it'd be prudent to try.

Lol what.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sun May 27, 2018 8:45 pm

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sun May 27, 2018 8:44 pm Sorry, Colin. No offense intended of course. Your tone and opinions just keep reading as insincere.

It’s okay brother, my gut hates me sometimes too.

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sun May 27, 2018 8:42 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 27, 2018 8:41 pm Another angle to address while we're here and the wagons are split in two primary directions. Which one is more likely to be unlynchable? I understand it's difficult to tell, but I think it'd be prudent to try.

Fucking unlynchable role.

I'm not really sure. Elo doesn't seem to care, which could indicate that, but Marmot has been putting forth an insane effort, which in a different way could indicate that?

I don't know.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 27, 2018 8:41 pm Another angle to address while we're here and the wagons are split in two primary directions. Which one is more likely to be unlynchable? I understand it's difficult to tell, but I think it'd be prudent to try.

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun May 20, 2018 6:29 pm

Choutas wrote: ↑Sun May 20, 2018 3:48 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun May 20, 2018 3:14 pm

Choutas wrote: ↑Sun May 20, 2018 3:01 pm I use chrome maybe its a settings issue.
Anyhow lets get to business.

Cool. What do you think of rabbits?

Also, the game

Theyre cute but they make terrible meat so a no for me.
The game has started in a mild manner we need to stir things up. Force people to read others.

As for Day one Mac i think hes right into the role.

Are you looking to stir things up? Because “he’s right into the role” ain’t stirring shit

Whatever right into the role means

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 27, 2018 8:46 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun May 27, 2018 8:45 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 27, 2018 8:41 pm Another angle to address while we're here and the wagons are split in two primary directions. Which one is more likely to be unlynchable? I understand it's difficult to tell, but I think it'd be prudent to try.

Lol what.

What?

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon May 21, 2018 7:24 am

Charlie Blackmon wrote: ↑Sun May 20, 2018 10:36 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun May 20, 2018 10:28 pm I think Charlie Blackmoor was specifically talking about Jay rather than making a sweeping statement about low posters in general

Correct. Never take out your heavy hitters without good reason. Turn everybody else into a heavy hitter instead.

And yet you voted for Macdougall?

If JaggedJimmyJay is batting third, then Macdougall is your cleanup man. Why vote for him?

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon May 21, 2018 7:58 am [VOTE: M Plus 7] aubergine

After browsing through his ISO, he's exhibiting behavior that I exhibit when I'm mafia. Nearly all of his posts are short. Many of them are uninspiring questions, including the following.

Good point about Epi.

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M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sun May 20, 2018 3:22 pm

wolbre04 wrote: ↑Sun May 20, 2018 2:06 pm

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sun May 20, 2018 8:42 am [VOTE: WOLBRE04] aubergine

?

Just hoping you'd show. What's up?

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sun May 20, 2018 5:30 pm

Elohcin wrote: ↑Sun May 20, 2018 4:32 pm well, at least that was a quick catch up. I agree this game is less serious than usual at the moment. There are a lot of votes being thrown around. I personally like votes that are not changeable only because it forces players to think more about who they are voting for. There are no "pressure votes" and what not. As of right now, I can see why JJJ has the most votes (even though it's only 2). His excuses for not carrying the thread don't feel genuine. He is participating enough in another game he is in. I may vote that way but first I would like to hear from others more. I don't like to just throw votes around. Who here is born again?

What specifically is not genuine?

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sun May 20, 2018 8:47 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 20, 2018 8:37 pm ColinIsCool
Kylemii
M Plus 7
novaselinenever
Scotty

Dyslexicon
TheFloyd73

wolbre04
Quin
MacDougall
lapluie
Elohcin
Choutas

I think the green reads are generally agreeable or understandable, but can you explain Nova and Scotty at all?

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sun May 20, 2018 8:51 pm What exactly is a soul read again, just gut?

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sun May 20, 2018 9:12 pm

Elohcin wrote: ↑Sun May 20, 2018 9:09 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 20, 2018 8:08 pm

Elohcin wrote: ↑Sun May 20, 2018 7:20 pm The game just started.

I'm not talking about G-Man's Easter Mafia.

I am talking about Mafia.

All of it.

I see. Well, if I'm honest, I feel the same way.

Why?

I see that Elohcin gave a long explanation, in response to the last question, but I see a lot of soft pressing without any follow-through. No hardcore scumhunting, just going through the motions.

This guy is mafia.

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon May 21, 2018 4:35 pm

lapluie wrote: ↑Mon May 21, 2018 4:21 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon May 21, 2018 3:38 pm

lapluie wrote: ↑Mon May 21, 2018 2:10 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon May 21, 2018 11:11 am I see @lapluie hS also voted Floyd, for no discernible reason.

I know why I am there, does lap?

Yes sir I do.

Would you like to share with the class?

clears throat
inactive
that's basically all I have to clarify for my vote, nothing exaggerating I kno! !

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Potential baddie alert!!!

In Mortal Kombat, here's a question lapluie posed for Simon.

lapluie wrote: ↑Sun Jan 14, 2018 7:06 pm

Simon wrote: ↑Sun Jan 14, 2018 6:58 pm I voted bwt. I'm pretty sure he is bad.

hello, welcome
what makes you think Birdwithteeth11 is bad?
they have not posted yet

Lapluie was a civilian in that game, while Simon was mafia. Meanwhile in this game, lapluie silently placed a vote on TheFloyd who hasn't posted yet. This put Floyd at 2 votes, and in second overall. The reason for voting TheFloyd? He's been inactive thus far.

Lapluie is an orange salad roll.

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon May 21, 2018 6:14 pm

lapluie wrote: ↑Mon May 21, 2018 6:12 pm Can we focus on Scotty too pls, this is 2 pressuring

Scotty has made multiple posts this game that I find civilian-aligned.

And also he's known for voting inactives on Day 1, whereas I found a case of you questioning someone else in another game for it.