The Syndicate

If Lavender is the Godfather I will be so happy because then we can just clear Urist and then the mafia has nowhere to hide.

yea i think we win

Funny story, I'm procrastinating so much work because game game game > real life - obviously. I actually have missed a deadline, but I don't caaaaare cause I'm starting a new job this fall anyway and I hate my current one. BAI Felicia

But for real, I do have to get back to working now xD

Anyway I think we 100% execute Lavender tomorrow. He has been awfully scummy, looked caught with his last resort attempt to shade Michelle, had the TMI thing, has equity for being scum if Urist's "scum was on my wagon" theory is true, has equity for being Godfather if Dizzy's "cheery" theory holds true, has equity for not catching tutuu being cop...

The list goes on.

i was really hopeful my reaction test would have produced some good results, i wanted to impress everyone and stuff. in the end it was probably useless and should be ignored. oh well rip. dont think ill try something like that again

im happy to be embraced by death in ~24 hours. alison and dizzy and mp7 are gonna powertown and i fully believe in their ability to carry. i couldnt ask for a better team

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 6:18 pm i was really hopeful my reaction test would have produced some good results, i wanted to impress everyone and stuff. in the end it was probably useless and should be ignored. oh well rip. dont think ill try something like that again

im happy to be embraced by death in ~24 hours. alison and dizzy and mp7 are gonna powertown and i fully believe in their ability to carry. i couldnt ask for a better team

There was literally no downside and could well have produced a good result.

aw. thanks for trying to cheer me up. ur great. i rly wanna take a backseat in the game now and let u guys carry, i hope thats alright. i wish u all the best, both in mafia and in real life

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 6:44 pm aw. thanks for trying to cheer me up. ur great. i rly wanna take a backseat in the game now and let u guys carry, i hope thats alright. i wish u all the best, both in mafia and in real life

Sign up for the amdibals mafia game so I can play with you again.

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 6:45 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 6:44 pm aw. thanks for trying to cheer me up. ur great. i rly wanna take a backseat in the game now and let u guys carry, i hope thats alright. i wish u all the best, both in mafia and in real life

Sign up for the amdibals mafia game so I can play with you again.

dunya is reading this because she's hosting and she's probably internally going "yes please do, I want to play with you too!"

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 5:25 pm

Lavender wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 5:22 pm anybody else notice that michelle got away without giving reads before tutuu gave her checks? and then continued posting for half an hour after they said they were going to sleep? no? just me? aight then

I am going to kill you.

ouch, alright then. i'll work on getting a complete gamesolve written up and posted between now and my green flip

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 5:01 pm I don't know what's the name of this fallacy or paradox, but

"2) i've seen a whole lot of hastily justified town reads (e.g. alison for the mysterious "M" reason)" - Lavender

I desire to townread Lavender for this line, because I think if he's Mafia he puts 2 + 2 together and figures out I'm cop with Alison n0. Because I think it's silly of him if he couldn't do that as Mafia. But, if he does end up being Mafia, and I wrongly cleared him for it, then the embarassment falls on me. I'm sure this situation has some kind of name

ah yes, the old occam's-razor-in-a-caramel-apple gambit

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 5:40 pm (lavender + jeraldo + 1612 + cobbler is my poe btw)

do you have any thoughts on which can / cannot be partners? banish lav first?
i feel like this is turning into one of those "banish the people we don't know" games which i don't like, it feels like a loss.
it's certainly possible that the mafia are all in this group but i am pessimistic.

also just going to throw it out there that a) even if you know who the cop is, it's not always the correct play to kill them, and b) now that the cop is revealed it's easy enough to say "oh yeah i knew who it was".
my first thought when scirrus was killed was, "oh yeah this scum team must be feeling really comfy if they don't even bother hunting for the cop".

/tinfoil

jeraldooo wrote: ↑Thu Jul 16, 2020 9:05 pm Okay i'm just checking in cuz i didn't realize that we can talk at night. I'm used to not being able to say anything at night. Even after someone dm'd me saying we can talk I still forgot about it. I'm going to be catching up with the forum and will give any reads I get by either midnight or like early morning. Sorry been busy all day with rl stuff.

this never happened yeah?

also [mention]cobbler[/mention] has given next to 0 reads all game and hasn't posted in 72h

Urist wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 10:05 pm also just going to throw it out there that a) even if you know who the cop is, it's not always the correct play to kill them, and b) now that the cop is revealed it's easy enough to say "oh yeah i knew who it was".
my first thought when scirrus was killed was, "oh yeah this scum team must be feeling really comfy if they don't even bother hunting for the cop".

/tinfoil

actually apt af

Lavender wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 10:21 pm

Urist wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 10:05 pm also just going to throw it out there that a) even if you know who the cop is, it's not always the correct play to kill them, and b) now that the cop is revealed it's easy enough to say "oh yeah i knew who it was".
my first thought when scirrus was killed was, "oh yeah this scum team must be feeling really comfy if they don't even bother hunting for the cop".

/tinfoil

actually apt af

yeah but the more likely scenario is that it's like jeraldooo, cobbler + someone else who doesn't care / isn't paying attention

Urist wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 10:05 pm also just going to throw it out there that a) even if you know who the cop is, it's not always the correct play to kill them, and b) now that the cop is revealed it's easy enough to say "oh yeah i knew who it was".
my first thought when scirrus was killed was, "oh yeah this scum team must be feeling really comfy if they don't even bother hunting for the cop".

/tinfoil

Regarding point b), I do believe Dizzy and MP7's claims that they knew who the cop was. I don't have a hard reason to do it - call it a gut read if you want.

Lavender wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 10:21 pm

Urist wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 10:05 pm also just going to throw it out there that a) even if you know who the cop is, it's not always the correct play to kill them, and b) now that the cop is revealed it's easy enough to say "oh yeah i knew who it was".
my first thought when scirrus was killed was, "oh yeah this scum team must be feeling really comfy if they don't even bother hunting for the cop".

/tinfoil

actually apt af

I was going to just say "I am going to kill you" again and leave it at that, but I'm genuinely curious how you'll respond if I ask you why you seem to have so completely discounted the possibility of a team like, eg. 1612/jeraldo/cobbler, when you did not mention anything during the discussion about the "inactives" being the team.

Everyone else: "The inactives are probably scum. Execute them first!"
Lavender: "..."
Urist: "I think there's a real chance that the inactives aren't scum, and scum have a bunch of deepwolves in the widely townread players."
Lavender: "That's so true!"

Like if you really believe this to be apt, why didn't you speak up earlier? This feels like an incredibly opportunistic thing to agree with.

Morning!

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 4:39 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 4:39 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 4:36 pm hmm. okay i wont push it further

i retract. i dont have a mafia check on 1612 and i didnt check him. i ... kinda buy the reaction? looks solid. im gonna go ahead and treat this as a pseudo town check on 1612. i could be wrong, but i think he's either town or the godfather

im also lock towning mp7 for her effort in already ISOing stuff with the assumption that 1612 is mafia (like he could be godfather still, but maf!mp7 would know that im lying)

sorry for lying and sorry if i wasted ur effort. i thought it was worth the shot

my real peek is urist n1 town

Ohhhhhhhh

Aw. Ok then.
So what we have is Alison and Urist town then? If you're for real this time lol

do you think 1612 fakes this reaction as Goon? i dont think so personally

looks like i should take him out from my Poe.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 4:53 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 3:25 pmDerping is sweet when is spontaneous. Idk if i am right but is what i felt reading that.

What do you mean by this, Michelle?

That he could make an attempt to derp clear himself.

Heads up - I'm going on a road trip for this weekend in about 3 hours (and I haven't slept yet, yay me), so I'm not going to be terribly active from here until Sunday evening my time. So that will be EoD next phase. I'm sure I'll be able to follow along on phone in between being a social human being as well though. =p Not that you really need me that much. I have full confidence in Alison's ability to lead town. Just letting you all know. ^^

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Jul 18, 2020 12:30 amThat he could make an attempt to derp clear himself.

Eh, I think the derp is legit. I guess both town and mafia could derp that way anyway. Thinking about it, it's probably not worth reading in to imo.

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 5:09 pm MP7 N2 vibes reads pre-ISOs

Confirmed town
tutuu
Alison

Pseudo-confirmed town
Urist

Strong town
Dyslexicon

Slight town
cobbler
jeraldooo

POE
Michelle
Lavender
1612

Updated. I effectively need to sort the bottom five.

umm.. do you really think i can be in the same world with Lavander if he is mafia?

Do you find me independently scummy? If so, why?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Jul 18, 2020 12:34 am Heads up - I'm going on a road trip for this weekend in about 3 hours (and I haven't slept yet, yay me), so I'm not going to be terribly active from here until Sunday evening my time. So that will be EoD next phase. I'm sure I'll be able to follow along on phone in between being a social human being as well though. =p Not that you really need me that much. I have full confidence in Alison's ability to lead town. Just letting you all know. ^^

Enjoy your trip Dizzy ^^

I will try my best this weekend to play more like in the previous days.

Lavender wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 5:22 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 3:25 pm gut reading 1612 not villagery for the looong explanation about the cop claims and the double explanation about Long Con.

Derping is sweet when is spontaneous. Idk if i am right but is what i felt reading that.

Add the lack of reaction at my ping and at the fact i voted him.

@tutuu i will keep my word but now i have to sleep. Anyway in my Poe rn i have Lavander and 1612, and i think Alison may go either way.

If i would try to FPS a red check as fake cop i would go for Lavander.

Funny thing, my MU sig contains a quote "Wolves never w peek someone".

anybody else notice that michelle got away without giving reads before tutuu gave her checks? and then continued posting for half an hour after they said they were going to sleep? no? just me? aight then

Just you are preoccupied to shade me, indeed

I don't think Michelle/Lavender is W/W. In theory it's possible but I'm not really feeling it. Wolves that want to distance from each other go at each other like "rawr rawr you're definitely scum! I want everyone to see how much I hate you!" and not "hmmm if Alison is town, Michelle is probably scum here" - that reads more to me like an attempt to set up a mis-execute, not a wolf-on-wolf interaction

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 5:25 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 5:21 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 5:20 pm My immediate reaction to 1612's "your cop check is fake!" post was "I'm impressed by the effort, I'd totally lolcat if I was caught scum there".

I guess reaching out to Urist does look like anti-spew.

it does?

Keep in mind 1612 had Long Con in his reads he gave today and didn't realize the slot was the same person as Nanook and already dead?

i like how Tutuu ponders all these things.

if 1612 is mafia, he deserves the Oscar for acting

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Jul 18, 2020 1:08 am I don't think Michelle/Lavender is W/W. In theory it's possible but I'm not really feeling it. Wolves that want to distance from each other go at each other like "rawr rawr you're definitely scum! I want everyone to see how much I hate you!" and not "hmmm if Alison is town, Michelle is probably scum here" - that reads more to me like an attempt to set up a mis-execute, not a wolf-on-wolf interaction

i am villager, i can't have a w/w interaction with no one.
And my impression was the same, that he knew we are both townies.

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 5:33 pm

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 5:32 pm

Urist wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 5:27 pm

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 5:25 pm

Urist wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 5:23 pm I definitely owe this game some effort tho
I suspect that if 1612 is mafia, the other two scum were on my wagon. 1612 hard-town-reading me looks like scum trying for cred, thinking i was going to be banished, in hindsight.

So is that because you think wolf mates would be more likely to not join 1612 in defending you?

No it is bc i think 1612 would be happy to hard-defend me if he thinks his buddies will push my yeeting

That makes sense to me although there are a lot of factors at play.

I thought about it and I think if Urist is town then mafia doesn't care about nanook vs Urist's outcome. The only compelling reason the mafia would have to push one wagon over another is if either one of them has a) caught scum or b) been pocketed by scum, or if this "1612 wants to cash in towncred for the Urist flip" theory holds true.

If Ulrist's wagon has a mafia - assuming our read on Lavander is correct, then i agree Ulrist is most probably villager because otherwise Lavander would be on Nanook to save Ulrist and idk if so many would suspect him for the vote.
All wagons yday as villa wagons are not so hard to believe and in this case wolves felt secure. smh

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 6:01 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 5:04 pm Unrelated but I love being mechnically confirmed town. Every time I roll town I have to deal with people paranoid that I'm deepwolfing them whenever I get townread. >< It makes the game easier for me to be able to just post whatever I want without having to worry about justifying or defending myself if someone finds it scummy.

I'm also glad you in particular are confirmed town. Good choice of N0 peek, Tutu lol

Is the n0 a player's choice here?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 6:09 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 6:04 pmN0 peek is determined by RNG and can't land on mafioso, I think.

Not if you're Tutu!
(I know - I was just making a joke =p)

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 6:05 pmI really wanted to be able to read her pre-game. I didn't know if I could. So I remembered what advice a great warrior once gave me - if you're struggling to mind read someone, just cheat. So I cheated and acquired TMI on her. Worked like a charm. GG.

Cheating is the only one honorable way to play mafia. We all know that. BRAD

lol nvm ^^

let's give reads and responses shall we. this will be my last post that i put this much effort into for at least the next 12 hours. i'm gonna opt to keep it all together since i can see myself becoming the push and i think mafia is getting in on it. i want to limit opportunities for mafia to take (or town to construe) these comments out of context

(sidenote: [mention]Alison[/mention], do u really think it's wise to push me this hard before u give the unconfirms an opportunity to push? at least let them give their thoughts on me before u brand me scum. mafia gonna sheep the hell out of u as a shiny confirmed town)

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 10:37 pm

Lavender wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 10:21 pm

Urist wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 10:05 pm also just going to throw it out there that a) even if you know who the cop is, it's not always the correct play to kill them, and b) now that the cop is revealed it's easy enough to say "oh yeah i knew who it was".
my first thought when scirrus was killed was, "oh yeah this scum team must be feeling really comfy if they don't even bother hunting for the cop".

/tinfoil

actually apt af

I was going to just say "I am going to kill you" again and leave it at that, but I'm genuinely curious how you'll respond if I ask you why you seem to have so completely discounted the possibility of a team like, eg. 1612/jeraldo/cobbler, when you did not mention anything during the discussion about the "inactives" being the team.

i think it's genuinely plausible. i wasn't consciously trying to discount this possibility. i townread cobbler early game for similar reasons to what others said. i stand with the vocal majority calling attention to the fact that he hasn't posted in 72 hours and needs to get in here for a re-evaluation

the reason i have avoided talking about jeraldoo is because my thoughts or lack thereof surrounding his alignment this game may or may not be rooted in reasons that i can't disclose. not touching that shit with a 10 foot pole. if @jeraldooo comes and participates, i will provide reads on him. i don't have any reads on what he's said so far

my intention of trying to talk to 1612 earlier when it was just the two of us was to get a better sense of his alignment. i really wanted to sus him for not seeming like he was enjoying the game. i liked the effort that he put into his reads and i considered our interaction to be typical of interactions i've had with him when he is town. on the other hand if the godfather is in urist/1612, put me on the 1612 boat. urist is town to me for our interaction last night (me putting pressure on him and him just brushing it aside). agree that 1612 is not goon

now in response to the following

Urist wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 10:26 pm

Lavender wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 10:21 pm

Urist wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 10:05 pm also just going to throw it out there that a) even if you know who the cop is, it's not always the correct play to kill them, and b) now that the cop is revealed it's easy enough to say "oh yeah i knew who it was".
my first thought when scirrus was killed was, "oh yeah this scum team must be feeling really comfy if they don't even bother hunting for the cop".

/tinfoil

actually apt af

yeah but the more likely scenario is that it's like jeraldooo, cobbler + someone else who doesn't care / isn't paying attention

yeah…i’m gonna go ahead and call urist hard town. [mention]Urist[/mention], do u still think that someone else could be mp7? i have a scumcase that i've been building and haven't had an opportunity to put into words since u mentioned ur sus on her last night, here it is if u or the conftown are interested

scumcase on mp7:

[mention]M Plus 7[/mention] i iso-ed u earlier today and ur d1 is textbook scummy by the standards of the community i come from, or at the very least by me. to me, it's a whole lot of asking questions of other players and not following up, and making promises to deliver reads later that never get fulfilled. u say that we shouldn't base our alignments of u on ur tone or demeanor. fine. why, then, should we townread u? this is why i asked u earlier what u have done to deserve a townread from me. i mostly see u sheeping reads and wagons. nothing u've done this game seems transparent to me

also, to say that all i've done is to throw shade seems like a deliberate (and hasty) misrepresentation of my gameplay. at the very least, u have to give me credit for reaction checks and meming about jetski astrology

other reads:

michelle i'm leaning scum. the reason for the "if Alison is town Michelle is mafia" comment had to do with something i was thinking after reading proto's legacy reads that was on my mind at the time (can't remember now), and was probably also influenced by my previous dankmeme sesh with 1612 (really, u should iso me for context). maybe i got a little off the chain. all that to say the reasons for posting that comment weren't particularly well thought out. though i really didn't like how michelle reacted to it. seemed overly defensive to me with the immediate omgus. the only reason i ever townread michelle was, again, because they claimed villy rather than pr when pressured by alison

dys: i think town (in a large part by alison proxy), will come back to if i have time. a huuuuuge positive in my book is that dys sees urist as town, or at least did yesterday.


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by way of defending myself:

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 3:49 pm
Lavender - I have strong feelings about the "if Alison is town Michelle is mafia" post since I think Michelle is town. Reeks of trying to set up a double misexe. I'm scumleaning Lav.

i know most of u don't know me as a player, but puhhhh-lease give scum lavender enough credit to not throw out an unsubstantiated inference designed to mastermind a double misbanish


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tl;dr, susses most scummy to least scummy
mp7
michelle
1612/cobbler
jeraldoo
dys

town circle: lav, alison, tutuu, urist

if i don't have a chance to do another post involving this amount of effort, please consider these my legacy reads rather than some overeager memey shit i say tomorrow that gets me powerbanished

i was trying more to dig inside my own brain to understand why i posted the "alison town implies michelle mafia" thing. i iso'ed proto and was just thinking about how much i liked proto's legacy reads for including both dys AND urist when i realized i was mistaken: i had been looking at proto QUOTING MP7's READS. ahhahahahahaha

imagine the conlusions we'll reach if and when mp7 flips scum. look at these reads:

protocultures wrote: ↑Thu Jul 16, 2020 5:33 am

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:47 pm MP7 D1 vibes reads

Strong town
Dyslexicon
Scirrus
Urist

Moderate town
cobbler
protocultures

Slight town
Alison

Mind vs. gut battle
tutuu

POE
1612
jeraldooo
Lavender
Long Con
Michelle

This is how I'm feeling right now. Players are sorted across tiers, but alphabetically within them.

I almost want to give LC a slight town read, but I'm awaiting more data. I need to go back and look at Lavender again but eh. 1612, jeraldo, and Michelle have essentially no content to judge.

It almost feels probable I'm wrong about one of my town reads, but that's okay. The game doesn't need to be solved right now!

Can you tell us/me about your mafia meta? Do you hard protect partners or bus them to distance. How do you react with newer players as team mates. Do you hard protect or bus. If a team mate is under heavy pressure do you cut them loose and bus or try and reform towncore to include them and ride or die.

I realised it was so easy to ignore/townread you because you are so nice and polite all the time. Not a bad thing for life, but it inherently biases me to think you can't be scum. I shouldn't have that mindset at all.

Can you point to one or two things people have done to explain each read? You can ignore the Poe list because I understand why they are in your Poe.

sidenote: if u believe these reads u have to acknowledge that taking them as fact, the statement that "alison town implies michelle mafia" is a pretty easy one to come to

double sidenote: would love to hear [mention]M Plus 7[/mention] answer proto's questions, if she hasn't already

I know from experience that mafia may feel uncomfortable to post at night when villagers are talking freely and are tinfoiling hard.

So i think i will start by Iso-ing the players who didn't night post at all or maybe posted very little.

like for [mention]M Plus 7[/mention] to convince me she's town she's going to have to explain to me how her reads changed, given the incredulity she expressed towards "alison town implies michelle mafia"

wait. what?
[mention]Lavender[/mention] so you went sheeping Proto but instead you were sheeping M7 with the read on me?

You agree you shaded me openly in a one sentence post and now you constructed a reason for it who is pretty weak :/
If you are villager and made this i am more dissapointed than if you did it as mafia tbh

I mean why would you take an idea from someone else and put it itt instead make your own reasoning for a suspicion on me back then?
Lavander, i think you are wolfing here.

oh one last thing, was it u [mention]Dyslexicon[/mention] that said u thought that mp7's reaction to the cop check on 1612 was town (something about eagerness to dive into isos)? cuz i don't buy that at all. if anything it's more evidence for mp7/1612 being w/w

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Jul 18, 2020 2:21 am wait. what?
@Lavender so you went sheeping Proto but instead you were sheeping M7 with the read on me?

You agree you shaded me openly in a one sentence post and now you constructed a reason for it who is pretty weak :/
If you are villager and made this i am more dissapointed than if you did it as mafia tbh

it helped me complete my reads

no ragrets

Lavender wrote: ↑Sat Jul 18, 2020 2:27 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Jul 18, 2020 2:21 am wait. what?
@Lavender so you went sheeping Proto but instead you were sheeping M7 with the read on me?

You agree you shaded me openly in a one sentence post and now you constructed a reason for it who is pretty weak :/
If you are villager and made this i am more dissapointed than if you did it as mafia tbh

it helped me complete my reads

no ragrets

when you have to fake reads, taking someone else's is a good trick

M7 thanks for colouring your reads, i found them easy in your Iso - no, it didn't read much from it i have to admit.

A question is, why did you put me at the bottom of the list as being inactive? Or if it's alphabetical, why in the Poe?
In the next reads you mention my name like you excuse yourself for the read (coloured text). Can you tell me why?

cobbler wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 9:52 pm

Urist wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 7:22 pm Since this is becoming more of a distraction than it's worth...

protocultures wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 4:03 am Urist - I take the song as slightly scummy if anything. Reasoning? Trying too hard.

They scumread dizzy as 99% mafia. Not sure how they can do that this early. Reeks of a fake read or bussing for credit.

Softing PR this early is also kid of scummy imo. Its bad if you are really PR, and Urist is pretty good at mafia from looking at the insane setup they created on 451, and its confusing for town if you are softing as a vanilla town, and makes it more likely to make a real PR pressured to out. Overall I hate it.

"I am town, and yes it's very cool. I get so emotionally exhausted when playing scum, it's ridic. Glad I don't have to do that here" - dislike statements like these and read them as slightly scummy, might just need to get some more forum games under my belt since I seem to see a lot of these "phew im so glad im town" posts on day 1 in forum games.

1. I posted in the signup thread that I already had my first post ready. Also I copy-pasted the lyrics and replaced like 5 words in an existing song, I barely did anything. So it's NAI and I was barely trying regardless. Plus y'know I wrote the rulebook for Needlessly Complicated in one night, effort is not a resource I'm stingy with generally.

2. It was obviously a fake read, not sure what you think the scum motivation is, esp since I never followed up. & setting up associatives at this stage is bad for business.

3. Not getting into this.

4. I actually asked dunya pregame to give me a town role PM, because otherwise I wouldn't be able to follow her rules. I'm pretty bad as scum bc I get overinvested, spend a ton of effort on the early game and burn out and unintentionally throw the game later on. It's a problem that I need to solve, but not in my first game on TS. I think I referred to this in the intro thread when Jay said I was not terrible.

this is all perfectly reasonable. i don't know why you were so hesitant to just post this or something similar originally. thank you though for engaging

Iso-ing Cobbler, he has a pure tone so i am sad to not see him playing.

Ulrist's post he is quoting makes an interesting self meta.
I want to ask [mention]cobbler[/mention] if the complex answer is more AI from your pov than the previous one and why?

cobbler wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:02 pm

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:00 pm

cobbler wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 10:58 pm here's a compilation of this thread's scumreads. i'm hoping to hear from everyone with an update on where they stand on them now

1612 - has not provided any scumreads
Alison - the closest alison has come to a scumread was referring to urist's hesitancy to give reads as 'slightly scummy'
cobbler - the closest i have come to a scumread was dizzy's post saying i was town
Dyslexicon - had one scumread on proto that was later rescinded and explained to be a bit of a joke or gambit. hinted at a scumread on michelle just now
jeraldoo - has not provided any scumreads
Lavender - provided a scum read on LC. provided a scum read on me as a reaction test then got a second reaction which they didn't like. doesn't believe MP and dizzy could be scum together
Long Con - has not provided any scumreads
Michelle - the closest michelle has come to a scumread was highlighting a post by tutuu that she didn't like
M Plus 7 - has not provided any scumreads (but has filled my head with sunshine)
protocultures - provided a hard scum read on scirrus. provided an additional scum read on urist
Scirrus - has not provided any scumreads
tutuu - (their post history link is broken @dunya ) - has not provided any scumreads
Urist - provided a scumread on dizzy

aight i'm going to start saying sr instead of scumread because i typed 'scrumread' like 40 times just now

update on my thoughts on dizzy's post: it still pings me in a vacuum but i don't get the same vibe from the rest of their posts. still a suspect tho imo

Hey, cobbler! Thanks for doing this. What are you hoping to gain as to alignment reads from this, or did you have a different intention?

Also, hehe, I'm so glad to hear that I've filled your head with sunshine!

two things i guess. i think they'll be good breadcrumbs for later and i want to get some more mature and updated thoughts on them. i know that will help me process through the game so i imagine it will help others too!

Now i get a town lean for Cobbler, looks like a townie mindset to post for further references what happened itt.
Is not a hard post to fake as scum in the same time but i will go with the town read especially for the quick paranoia at being town read by Dizzy.
Mafia don't react like this at a town read from what i know.

But... he should come and play.

Urist wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 10:05 pm also just going to throw it out there that a) even if you know who the cop is, it's not always the correct play to kill them, and b) now that the cop is revealed it's easy enough to say "oh yeah i knew who it was".
my first thought when scirrus was killed was, "oh yeah this scum team must be feeling really comfy if they don't even bother hunting for the cop".

/tinfoil

and the winner for the scum team who would feel the most comfy at that point in the game goes to...

mp7/michelle/cobbler

Lavender wrote: ↑Sat Jul 18, 2020 2:05 am i know most of u don't know me as a player, but puhhhh-lease give scum lavender enough credit to not throw out an unsubstantiated inference designed to mastermind a double misbanish

No. "I would never do something as obvious as this as scum" or similar "too wolfy to be wolf" arguments are not defenses that work, or will ever work, against me. I don't find them convincing and I don't understand why other people find them convincing.

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Jul 18, 2020 1:38 am If Ulrist's wagon has a mafia - assuming our read on Lavander is correct, then i agree Ulrist is most probably villager because otherwise Lavander would be on Nanook to save Ulrist and idk if so many would suspect him for the vote.
All wagons yday as villa wagons are not so hard to believe and in this case wolves felt secure. smh

I don't think Lavender was around EOD.

Lavender wrote: ↑Sat Jul 18, 2020 3:28 am

Urist wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 10:05 pm also just going to throw it out there that a) even if you know who the cop is, it's not always the correct play to kill them, and b) now that the cop is revealed it's easy enough to say "oh yeah i knew who it was".
my first thought when scirrus was killed was, "oh yeah this scum team must be feeling really comfy if they don't even bother hunting for the cop".

/tinfoil

and the winner for the scum team who would feel the most comfy at that point in the game goes to...

mp7/michelle/cobbler

what invention is this? My town read get lynched and i was almost the lynched one earlier in the game.

Comfy as hell. Where were you when i was so 'comfy'?

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Jul 18, 2020 3:44 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Jul 18, 2020 1:38 am If Ulrist's wagon has a mafia - assuming our read on Lavander is correct, then i agree Ulrist is most probably villager because otherwise Lavander would be on Nanook to save Ulrist and idk if so many would suspect him for the vote.
All wagons yday as villa wagons are not so hard to believe and in this case wolves felt secure. smh

I don't think Lavender was around EOD.

i won't bet, she is acting very strange.

jeraldooo wrote: ↑Thu Jul 16, 2020 9:05 pm Okay i'm just checking in cuz i didn't realize that we can talk at night. I'm used to not being able to say anything at night. Even after someone dm'd me saying we can talk I still forgot about it. I'm going to be catching up with the forum and will give any reads I get by either midnight or like early morning. Sorry been busy all day with rl stuff.

This is jeraldoo's last post. The Iso is not long, his P#534 is the most useful reads related and he explains further some thoughts.

I want to know, while this is your first FM game, how much time and how many games did you play until now?[mention]jeraldooo[/mention]

I need the answer tbh to continue my train of thoughts so if anyone knows the answer, please help.