The Lion King [MAFIA WIN]

[Dyslexicon]

You voting me during the me vs Michelle thunderdome. There wasn't a good reason for it (in fact you specifically said you weren't giving a reason for it), and if Michelle is town, then scum have a lot to gain by flipping me, letting my legacy be an adamant "Michelle is bad", and then flipping her. Under those circumstances, scum would want to support the wagon on me, but not in a high commitment way (because they don't want to be too closely associated to a double misexe), which means that this line of reasoning implicates you, nanook and proto (who has since been cleared of wrongdoing), and to a lesser extent Urist (who was higher commitment about his push on me).

I admit my reasoning for voting you weren't/aren't the greatest. If you haven't noticed my confidence in reading you is not very high. I don't know what you expect. I read Michelle town independently on you. If you flip and you're town, I'd still see Michelle town. Just her tone. I've played some games with Michelle. Anyway, I think it's pretty obvious that I'm town, but boring bias, and this is probably not important right at this second.

[Alison]

Coo coo coo

I’d like to pull an action dan special, otherwise known as show up give zero actual reads and hammer someone, who would like to make my dream a reality

Maybe if you ask me really nicely!

@Urist if you guys both vote Proto I’ll hammer tbh

This post came 2 posts after MP7 initiated the idea of starting a wagon on Urist.

Tihs is really sketchy timing.

[Tangrowth]

i dont understand the mindset at all of not fighting tooth and tail when u are getting pushed. maybe ppl just have different brains and i should respect it.

I generally don't either, but... I've been there very occasionally, it feels like things are trapped in on you and maybe the town will benefit more from your flip.

[Tangrowth]

dizzy are u gonna be here for eod?

Yes, but i SHOULD be working. I have a deadline. This is so rip. But I'm keeping an eye on the thread.

ok cool. well i cant wait until then. i feel like ive been lowkey obnoxious / rude and spammy in the last few hours, i apologize for that. im just really, really, really invested in this game and i wanna win.

dizzy. i beg you. i literally beg you. PLEASE respect my townread on alison. PLEASE. just this once. if i let you down i will never ever in my life again insist that you trust me on anything. just this once. please.

I don't think you have been! I already want to play more with you.

Investment is good. The game doesn't have to be solved on Day 1!

i like u too pat pat

Yay!

[Dyslexicon]

What about it specifically reads unnaturally?

I don't have specifics. It just reminded me of last game in the back of my brain. But I'm sheeping Tutu now. In Tutu we trust.

[protocultures]

i dont understand the mindset at all of not fighting tooth and tail when u are getting pushed. maybe ppl just have different brains and i should respect it.

if you are VT, its better to die than be sussed remainder of game anyway and force a potential PR to need to claim.

If you dont vote me today, you should clear me in your head forever. If you cant, just vote me today.

[tutuu]

i dont understand the mindset at all of not fighting tooth and tail when u are getting pushed. maybe ppl just have different brains and i should respect it.

I generally don't either, but... I've been there very occasionally, it feels like things are trapped in on you and maybe the town will benefit more from your flip.

ive never seen 3 ppl consecutively all do it, none of them even trying to get ppl to unvote them. just so extremely bizzare. whatever

[Tangrowth]

Coo coo coo

I’d like to pull an action dan special, otherwise known as show up give zero actual reads and hammer someone, who would like to make my dream a reality

Maybe if you ask me really nicely!

@Urist if you guys both vote Proto I’ll hammer tbh

This post came 2 posts after MP7 initiated the idea of starting a wagon on Urist.

Tihs is really sketchy timing.

With this do you mean you are thinking Urist/Nanook as a possibility then, or is this about Nanook only?

[Dyslexicon]

Nanook open wolfing is their scum meta, I remember he mentioned in a convo. Personally haven't seen Nanook as scum before.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

We could always lynch Nanook for fun. Right, Nanook?

Plz no

[Alison]

so ur voting because of the fallacy in thinking that she can only be voted d1 for some reason

and cuz she was wallcasing a town?

i mean i guess i cant argue that i also agree with the opinion that alison seems ... well ... actually i dont know her that well. so maybe this is a wrong and annoying statement. sorry in advance alison. but im kinda getting the feeling alison is like way better at mafia than she is as town? based off of 2 games (assuming im correct that shes town here), bear in mind, so this opinion might as well be wrong. anyway.

idk proto. ur voting town and ur tunneling town (or maybe not tunneling) but expressing desire to lock votes on a town is ... making it rly difficult if ur town too. if you are town, please reconsider not tunneling

this is @ Everyone. Why is EVERYONE so obsessed with confidently expressing scumreads on people who end up being wrong? i feel like its almost as if u guys feel the need to do it since thats standard mafia (the game, not alignment) gameplay but it doesnt have to be that way ... if u arent that confident u dont need to. idk. whatever.

I think I am better at playing mafia than I am at playing town by some amount. I don't know how much; it's not a lot, but the disparity exists.

Regarding the last bit: I express reads with the confidence level that I actually hold on those reads. I expressed a confident scumread on Michelle because I was confident that she was scum. Now I think she is town. There is no harm as long as you don't get tunnelled, and it can generate better content than being wishy-washy.

[Tangrowth]

What about it specifically reads unnaturally?

I don't have specifics. It just reminded me of last game in the back of my brain. But I'm sheeping Tutu now. In Tutu we trust.

That's totally okay! I just thought I'd ask if you could explain it more.

[Tangrowth]

I'm with you, Alison. Reassessment is goat.

[tutuu]

i dont understand the mindset at all of not fighting tooth and tail when u are getting pushed. maybe ppl just have different brains and i should respect it.

if you are VT, its better to die than be sussed remainder of game anyway and force a potential PR to need to claim.

If you dont vote me today, you should clear me in your head forever. If you cant, just vote me today.

"its better to die than be sussed remainder of game anyway" dude like ...

why are u assuming that ppl wont reevaluate u after u try to show them ur townyness? what does potential pr needing to claim have anything to do with this?

im not going to clear you in my head forever and im also not going to vote you. i disagree with the options that ur giving me, i dont think that these are all options, i think that in your subjective opinion these are the right options and i reject your opinion

[Urist]

Gotta leave for a few hours, I have like 5 mins if anyone has anything specific to ask

[Dyslexicon]

I disagree with Proto's thoughts about how to play at a fundamental level. But that is probably already clear lol. Doesn't mean I don't respect others playing differently. That is fine. I have a hard time understanding.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Coo coo coo

I’d like to pull an action dan special, otherwise known as show up give zero actual reads and hammer someone, who would like to make my dream a reality

Maybe if you ask me really nicely!

@Urist if you guys both vote Proto I’ll hammer tbh

This post came 2 posts after MP7 initiated the idea of starting a wagon on Urist.

Tihs is really sketchy timing.

Super sketch tbh

[Dyslexicon]

Gotta leave for a few hours, I have like 5 mins if anyone has anything specific to ask

Am I dumb for trusting you up to now or am I dumb for voting you right now? As long as I'm dumb, that's the most important thing I guess. Also, legacy reads, cause you might get yeeted.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Nanook open wolfing is their scum meta, I remember he mentioned in a convo. Personally haven't seen Nanook as scum before.

This is true tbh

[tutuu]

so ur voting because of the fallacy in thinking that she can only be voted d1 for some reason

and cuz she was wallcasing a town?

i mean i guess i cant argue that i also agree with the opinion that alison seems ... well ... actually i dont know her that well. so maybe this is a wrong and annoying statement. sorry in advance alison. but im kinda getting the feeling alison is like way better at mafia than she is as town? based off of 2 games (assuming im correct that shes town here), bear in mind, so this opinion might as well be wrong. anyway.

idk proto. ur voting town and ur tunneling town (or maybe not tunneling) but expressing desire to lock votes on a town is ... making it rly difficult if ur town too. if you are town, please reconsider not tunneling

this is @ Everyone. Why is EVERYONE so obsessed with confidently expressing scumreads on people who end up being wrong? i feel like its almost as if u guys feel the need to do it since thats standard mafia (the game, not alignment) gameplay but it doesnt have to be that way ... if u arent that confident u dont need to. idk. whatever.

I think I am better at playing mafia than I am at playing town by some amount. I don't know how much; it's not a lot, but the disparity exists.

Regarding the last bit: I express reads with the confidence level that I actually hold on those reads. I expressed a confident scumread on Michelle because I was confident that she was scum. Now I think she is town. There is no harm as long as you don't get tunnelled, and it can generate better content than being wishy-washy.

yea it can generate content well if there are ppl like me to clean up after your mess and stop towns from eating other towns

i dont think u should assume town is gonna evaluate stuff properly and play correctly and stuff like that

whatever this is like mafia theory and we can have this convo some other time

[Alison]

With this do you mean you are thinking Urist/Nanook as a possibility then, or is this about Nanook only?

I definitely am thinking about Urist/Nanook. There's some possibility that Nanook is wolf and Urist is villager - it would explain nanook's buddying behavior with Urist, and I think this post would fit for nanook even if Urist is villager (he wants to keep Urist alive if he is wolf and trying to buddy Urist). Urist's "I want to thunderdome Alison because I am on the side of justice" was kind of town as well.

Maybe the exe is actually nanook today; but I don't think I can in good conscience suggest a flash wagon 45 minutes before deadline. It messes up things really bad if I am wrong on nanook. I certainly think nanook should have the spotlight put on him tomorrow.

[Urist]

If I'm banished, final reads are Alison, Scirrus, MP7 mafia.

If Alison is town proto is prob mafia, like 99.9%. But that should be obv.

[Dyslexicon]

I think I get a bit shellshocked every time I play here lately. At PerC the styles are always similar enough that I pretty much can get into anyone's head quite easily. I feel there's a lot more work here for me. That is good, really, it's just driving me insane. But why else do I play mafia

[tutuu]

im also fine with urist or nanook wagons. dont care. again i have no scumreads and i dont intend on making any.

[Alison]

yea it can generate content well if there are ppl like me to clean up after your mess and stop towns from eating other towns

i dont think u should assume town is gonna evaluate stuff properly and play correctly and stuff like that

whatever this is like mafia theory and we can have this convo some other time

I'm pretty certain in my own ability to re-assess and to clean up the game state. I don't always assume town is going to evaluate stuff properly and play correctly.

[Tangrowth]

MP7 D1 EOD vibes reads

Strong town
protocultures

Moderate town
tutuu
Dyslexicon
Scirrus
Alison
cobbler

Slight town
jeraldooo
Michelle

POE
Urist
1612
Lavender
Long Con / Nanook

Some of these players I admittedly haven't given adequate headspace to yet, like Michelle, etc., but here's what I'm feeling right now.

I actually am torn on Urist but I don't know what to do about him. I think we should yeet someone else maybe and give him more time.

[Urist]

Gotta leave for a few hours, I have like 5 mins if anyone has anything specific to ask

Am I dumb for trusting you up to now or am I dumb for voting you right now? As long as I'm dumb, that's the most important thing I guess. Also, legacy reads, cause you might get yeeted.

You're dumb for sheeping someone who has a proven track record of being wrong. If I'm yeeted please don't let Alison coast to endgame.

[Alison]

If I'm banished, final reads are Alison, Scirrus, MP7 mafia.

If Alison is town proto is prob mafia, like 99.9%. But that should be obv.

I don't see why it should be obv.

This final reads list is really bad.

[tutuu]

yea it can generate content well if there are ppl like me to clean up after your mess and stop towns from eating other towns

i dont think u should assume town is gonna evaluate stuff properly and play correctly and stuff like that

whatever this is like mafia theory and we can have this convo some other time

I'm pretty certain in my own ability to re-assess and to clean up the game state. I don't always assume town is going to evaluate stuff properly and play correctly.

hence why u shouldnt trust town to correctly evaluate stuff after you decide that you wanna 1v1 somebody.

[1612]

Oh my lord, guys I don't think I can get a scum read before 7:00 PM. I've been reading logs left and right and there is already 200 more. I will just say that I really like [mention]Urist[/mention]'s quotes as towny. There are a lot of key words that I like such as "this is NAI and a waste of time in the grand scheme of things". I also like the beginning poem and more importantly the reaction that he/she gave to people. But I've also seen him/her write that they are used to 48 hours so they have a lot of range as mafia. But at least from what I am used to seeing, I feel like talking about NAI and pushing people off that conversation who respond in a useless conversation is beneficial for a mafia perspective. I believe that because I am so used to [mention]protocultures[/mention] tunneling me off that and be relentless and then I turn off my laptop. I also see that he mentioned me and called my hair fabulous. Stop.

[mention]Dyslexicon[/mention], yes I am sorry I will vote. I am basically no voting for jailer with this lone vote.
I will vote with Urist here because he/she (could you update your personal pronouns on your profile?) is my only actual read. I haven't even read Alison's logs yet and I apologize

[tutuu]

yea it can generate content well if there are ppl like me to clean up after your mess and stop towns from eating other towns

i dont think u should assume town is gonna evaluate stuff properly and play correctly and stuff like that

whatever this is like mafia theory and we can have this convo some other time

I'm pretty certain in my own ability to re-assess and to clean up the game state. I don't always assume town is going to evaluate stuff properly and play correctly.

hence why u shouldnt trust town to correctly evaluate stuff after you decide that you wanna 1v1 somebody.

hence why u shouldnt be happy 1v1ing somebody.

[Tangrowth]

With this do you mean you are thinking Urist/Nanook as a possibility then, or is this about Nanook only?

I definitely am thinking about Urist/Nanook. There's some possibility that Nanook is wolf and Urist is villager - it would explain nanook's buddying behavior with Urist, and I think this post would fit for nanook even if Urist is villager (he wants to keep Urist alive if he is wolf and trying to buddy Urist). Urist's "I want to thunderdome Alison because I am on the side of justice" was kind of town as well.

Maybe the exe is actually nanook today; but I don't think I can in good conscience suggest a flash wagon 45 minutes before deadline. It messes up things really bad if I am wrong on nanook. I certainly think nanook should have the spotlight put on him tomorrow.

But wouldn't it be better to try to yeet someone more consensus POE and/or with less posts regardless of the timing?

[Alison]

hence why u shouldnt trust town to correctly evaluate stuff after you decide that you wanna 1v1 somebody.

I don't. I produce as much information as I can, interpret it, give my perspective, and do my best to persuade town that I'm right. Just like everyone else.

[Tangrowth]

If I'm banished, final reads are Alison, Scirrus, MP7 mafia.

If Alison is town proto is prob mafia, like 99.9%. But that should be obv.

Why me though?

[Dyslexicon]

[VOTE: Nanook
] aubergine
Feels pretty meh of a vote tbh

[1612]

WAIT WTF, I just looked at the votes. My only town read from my very limited reading of D1 is being voted LMAO.

[Tangrowth]

I think I get a bit shellshocked every time I play here lately. At PerC the styles are always similar enough that I pretty much can get into anyone's head quite easily. I feel there's a lot more work here for me. That is good, really, it's just driving me insane. But why else do I play mafia

I know right?

[Urist]

If I'm banished, final reads are Alison, Scirrus, MP7 mafia.

If Alison is town proto is prob mafia, like 99.9%. But that should be obv.

I don't see why it should be obv.

This final reads list is really bad.

Proto's vote on your wagon was awful + the other thing is his blind insistence that his mafiagg buddies are town, likely bc thats expected of him

[Tangrowth]

Gotta leave for a few hours, I have like 5 mins if anyone has anything specific to ask

Am I dumb for trusting you up to now or am I dumb for voting you right now? As long as I'm dumb, that's the most important thing I guess. Also, legacy reads, cause you might get yeeted.

You're dumb for sheeping someone who has a proven track record of being wrong. If I'm yeeted please don't let Alison coast to endgame.

I don't understand, what does this mean?

[Alison]

With this do you mean you are thinking Urist/Nanook as a possibility then, or is this about Nanook only?

I definitely am thinking about Urist/Nanook. There's some possibility that Nanook is wolf and Urist is villager - it would explain nanook's buddying behavior with Urist, and I think this post would fit for nanook even if Urist is villager (he wants to keep Urist alive if he is wolf and trying to buddy Urist). Urist's "I want to thunderdome Alison because I am on the side of justice" was kind of town as well.

Maybe the exe is actually nanook today; but I don't think I can in good conscience suggest a flash wagon 45 minutes before deadline. It messes up things really bad if I am wrong on nanook. I certainly think nanook should have the spotlight put on him tomorrow.

But wouldn't it be better to try to yeet someone more consensus POE and/or with less posts regardless of the timing?

I am strongly against last minute flash wagons. If they are wrong they mess everything up. Suppose we flash wagon nanook here, and he flips town. We are back at square one, we are totally lost, and everything is difficult. If we execute Urist or even me, we have a lot of content to work from because there's been an entire day of people being forced into making decisions and giving takes about those two wagons.

[protocultures]

i dont understand the mindset at all of not fighting tooth and tail when u are getting pushed. maybe ppl just have different brains and i should respect it.

if you are VT, its better to die than be sussed remainder of game anyway and force a potential PR to need to claim.

If you dont vote me today, you should clear me in your head forever. If you cant, just vote me today.

"its better to die than be sussed remainder of game anyway" dude like ...

why are u assuming that ppl wont reevaluate u after u try to show them ur townyness? what does potential pr needing to claim have anything to do with this?

im not going to clear you in my head forever and im also not going to vote you. i disagree with the options that ur giving me, i dont think that these are all options, i think that in your subjective opinion these are the right options and i reject your opinion

I dont see that i did anything to make people re-evaluate. If people dont read me as town from my posts so far, they are unlikely to change their mind.

if I were a PR, I would be fighting without claiming. If I thought I was still in real danger, I would just claim.

if I am VT and going to be sussed by a majority of town, its bad for me to stay alive.

We can agree to disagree, its cool.

[1612]

Could someone catch me up a TL;DR on Ulrist and Alison. I feel that is a more effective way to catch up on the Day. I will surely look at this tomorrow during the 24(?) hour night

[tutuu]

Gotta leave for a few hours, I have like 5 mins if anyone has anything specific to ask

Am I dumb for trusting you up to now or am I dumb for voting you right now? As long as I'm dumb, that's the most important thing I guess. Also, legacy reads, cause you might get yeeted.

You're dumb for sheeping someone who has a proven track record of being wrong. If I'm yeeted please don't let Alison coast to endgame.

I don't understand, what does this mean?

they are saying that since i was fooled by alison last game i shouldnt be trusted with my townread on her this game.

[Dyslexicon]

Oh my lord, guys I don't think I can get a scum read before 7:00 PM. I've been reading logs left and right and there is already 200 more. I will just say that I really like @Urist's quotes as towny. There are a lot of key words that I like such as "this is NAI and a waste of time in the grand scheme of things". I also like the beginning poem and more importantly the reaction that he/she gave to people. But I've also seen him/her write that they are used to 48 hours so they have a lot of range as mafia. But at least from what I am used to seeing, I feel like talking about NAI and pushing people off that conversation who respond in a useless conversation is beneficial for a mafia perspective. I believe that because I am so used to @protocultures tunneling me off that and be relentless and then I turn off my laptop. I also see that he mentioned me and called my hair fabulous. Stop.

@Dyslexicon, yes I am sorry I will vote. I am basically no voting for jailer with this lone vote.
I will vote with Urist here because he/she (could you update your personal pronouns on your profile?) is my only actual read. I haven't even read Alison's logs yet and I apologize

This is a pretty hot take, consider the state of the game right now. But yeah, in my heart I still don't love a Urist lynch. Are you reading the game iso by iso or something?

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

[VOTE: Nanook
] aubergine
Feels pretty meh of a vote tbh

You should probably feel pretty bad tbh

[Tangrowth]

Oh my lord, guys I don't think I can get a scum read before 7:00 PM. I've been reading logs left and right and there is already 200 more. I will just say that I really like @Urist's quotes as towny. There are a lot of key words that I like such as "this is NAI and a waste of time in the grand scheme of things". I also like the beginning poem and more importantly the reaction that he/she gave to people. But I've also seen him/her write that they are used to 48 hours so they have a lot of range as mafia. But at least from what I am used to seeing, I feel like talking about NAI and pushing people off that conversation who respond in a useless conversation is beneficial for a mafia perspective. I believe that because I am so used to @protocultures tunneling me off that and be relentless and then I turn off my laptop. I also see that he mentioned me and called my hair fabulous. Stop.

@Dyslexicon, yes I am sorry I will vote. I am basically no voting for jailer with this lone vote.
I will vote with Urist here because he/she (could you update your personal pronouns on your profile?) is my only actual read. I haven't even read Alison's logs yet and I apologize

1612, can you talk to me more about what is underlined there is a towny perspective specifically?

[Dyslexicon]

Could someone catch me up a TL;DR on Ulrist and Alison. I feel that is a more effective way to catch up on the Day. I will surely look at this tomorrow during the 24(?) hour night

I wish I could, but I truly can't lol. I love that for myself. Ask [mention]Tutuu[/mention]

[Scirrus]

i am still at work at i probably wont be off until after eod

[mention]Dyslexicon[/mention] should I vote with you? I don't know what to do

[Dyslexicon]

[VOTE: Nanook
] aubergine
Feels pretty meh of a vote tbh

You should probably feel pretty bad tbh

I've felt bad this whole EoD. Thanks.

[1612]

Oh my lord, guys I don't think I can get a scum read before 7:00 PM. I've been reading logs left and right and there is already 200 more. I will just say that I really like @Urist's quotes as towny. There are a lot of key words that I like such as "this is NAI and a waste of time in the grand scheme of things". I also like the beginning poem and more importantly the reaction that he/she gave to people. But I've also seen him/her write that they are used to 48 hours so they have a lot of range as mafia. But at least from what I am used to seeing, I feel like talking about NAI and pushing people off that conversation who respond in a useless conversation is beneficial for a mafia perspective. I believe that because I am so used to @protocultures tunneling me off that and be relentless and then I turn off my laptop. I also see that he mentioned me and called my hair fabulous. Stop.

@Dyslexicon, yes I am sorry I will vote. I am basically no voting for jailer with this lone vote.
I will vote with Urist here because he/she (could you update your personal pronouns on your profile?) is my only actual read. I haven't even read Alison's logs yet and I apologize

This is a pretty hot take, consider the state of the game right now. But yeah, in my heart I still don't love a Urist lynch. Are you reading the game iso by iso or something?

Yeah mostly iso and iso and reading the interactions (if they quote). I really don't know why people's votes are on Urist. Did I miss something in the 400-1000 posts range?