The Syndicate

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 11:31 am I assume Sloonei is voting a scumread?

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 11:32 am Does anyone specifically townread either Dolby or Lime Coke? Those two players seem to be consensus scumreads, or at least exist in everyone's POE's, except for each others.

Dolby has a vibe read of Lime Coke, and Lime Coke has Dolby just outside his POE.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 11:34 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 11:31 am I assume Sloonei is voting a scumread?

I voted SoA last night to highlight him as a topic of discussion. He has not been around since, so

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 11:36 am If the team is Lime Coke, falcon, G-Man, and X, does G-Man bus two partners at once in pointing out that Lime Coke could be distancing from Lime Coke in a situation where it looks like Lime Coke will be chopped?

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 11:38 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 11:34 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 11:31 am I assume Sloonei is voting a scumread?

I voted SoA last night to highlight him as a topic of discussion. He has not been around since, so

Well done. Mission successfully failed.

I can't believe how much pressure they'll feel to address that one vote when he gets back.

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 11:40 am [VOTE: Marmot] aubergine

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 11:41 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 11:36 am If the team is Lime Coke, falcon, G-Man, and X, does G-Man bus two partners at once in pointing out that Lime Coke could be distancing from Lime Coke in a situation where it looks like Lime Coke will be chopped?

Yeah. If that is the team, G-man was dead on arrival. Distancing needs to happen.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 11:44 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 11:40 am [VOTE: Marmot] aubergine

You’re under a lot of pressure now buddy

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 11:44 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 11:41 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 11:36 am If the team is Lime Coke, falcon, G-Man, and X, does G-Man bus two partners at once in pointing out that Lime Coke could be distancing from Lime Coke in a situation where it looks like Lime Coke will be chopped?

Yeah. If that is the team, G-man was dead on arrival. Distancing needs to happen.

Dead on arrival with few people having any intention of voting him.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 11:42 am

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 11:38 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 11:34 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 11:31 am I assume Sloonei is voting a scumread?

I voted SoA last night to highlight him as a topic of discussion. He has not been around since, so

Well done. Mission successfully failed.

I can't believe how much pressure they'll feel to address that one vote when he gets back.

It is not a “pressure” vote. It is a way of bookmarking the player as a name to be discussed.

Johanna wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 5:45 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 5:30 pm @Johanna Before I forget - Who said you’d probably enjoy playing with me? =p Cute though ^^

Oh I'd have to scour Discord for that...

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 11:48 am

Johanna wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 5:45 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 5:30 pm @Johanna Before I forget - Who said you’d probably enjoy playing with me? =p Cute though ^^

Oh I'd have to scour Discord for that...

I'm pretty sure it was dunya, also coulda been juliets.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 2:22 am Actually my thing should rather be:

I need to bury a wolf or I'm going to get buried.

But yeah same issues as I said before.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 2:42 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 2:37 am I would like to know how I went from a townread in Lime Coke's eyes to his top 2 scumreads. I didn't see an explanation anywhere.

I got hit in the head and forgot who you were.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 9:01 am [VOTE: Dolby] aubergine

@Dolby

Johanna wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 10:02 am

G-Man wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 9:05 am Theory time:

When I look at Lime Coke's recent evolution on Falcon...

Spoiler: show

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:36 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:33 pm Lime Coke, when you finish sharing your ketchup, it’d be super if you could give some baseline reads much like I asked from G-Man. Top town and/or mafia reads.

I'm building that up as we speak.

Dizzy is top town if you want a preview.

Falcon could be mafia based on that pop in during that small CFD attempt.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 12:19 am There's 1 in Falcon/Illario.

But I'm leaning a lot on Illario currently.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 12:34 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 12:31 am

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 12:27 am SPF
TSP
Axe

Dizzy
JJJ
Sloonei

SonofAnarch
Dolby

G-Man
Marmot
Illario/Falcon (T v W combo here)


@JaggedJimmyJay

This is my list.

Clears

Strong towns

Mid tier

Scum tier.

do you mind talking a little bit about why you think illario/falcon is T v W specifically? why can't they be wolves together?

also, if illario wasn't getting chopped today, who would you wanna vote next?

Because Falcon's just planting his vote on Illario both day phases and not moving. I know both can do well with distancing but that would kinda be ridiculous? Don't you think?

Next vote is either the opposite side of that spectrum with Falcon. Seeing the sudden pop in when he had the CFD placed on him.

Or Marmot.

If Falcon is mafia Marmot is town because Falcon had that weird "Marmot being silent is deafening" post when it was only 2 hours into Day 2.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 1:13 am [VOTE: Falcon] aubergine

I don't know what to think honestly.

If SPF has a better solve I'll listen.

Otherwise I'm thrown a bit for a loop.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 2:41 am In terms of my scumreads-

I might only have one.

Since Illario might end up being town.

Falcon has to be mafia. His fixation on Illario and voting him for 2 days straight is very awkward.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:42 pm Marmot's silence is deafening

This line from Falcon is kinda gross just based on the merit of him posting this 2 hours after the day started. Like could be timezone difference or whatever reasoning he's not going to be here at SOD every day for every game. Feels like he'd be stacking the deck in order to have his viewpoint look solid.

Last thing is the fact that the CFD wagon started on Falcon, and 2 minutes after SPF is the third vote on the wagon, Falcon appears with a post.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 2:44 am My issue is that literally every game I play with Falcon I end up scumreading the guy, and that's probably this playstyle difference on this site compared to other games that I normally play.

Like so many town players just look scummy by playstyle.

It makes so many of these players such a >rand flip.

...my mind considers the following:

1) Lime Coke and Falcon are teammates.

2) Lime Coke, seeing that Falcon is on enough radars, adds Falcon to his radar.

3) In short order, Lime Coke puts Falcon deep in his POE, but makes Falcon part of an either/or scenario with a civvie he thinks he can build a case on for a mischop (ilario). This would allow him to save face and go after Falcon if his preferred mischop target gets chopped first.

4) When his ilario case implodes, Lime Coke is forced to double down on his teammate Falcon and votes there.

5) He adds a little hedge at the end to give him a potential reason to not vote for Falcon at the end if it comes to that.


Is this too Mafia 101 and I should give up playing with the jumbo crayons? Or does this pass the sniff test? Poke holes in it please.



I want to look at the folks in my POE today as time allows (which it won't for the most part). This is what struck me when looking at Lime Coke. The placement of JJJ in my POE is among the softest, so I don't think I will go down that road further until the game develops more (preferably with me still in it). That leaves four more folks to consider yet.

Well yeah, this is the long version of "Lime Coke's vote on falcon could be distancing." I am very much thinking along those lines.

G-Man wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 12:22 pm

Johanna wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 10:02 am

G-Man wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 9:05 am Theory time:

When I look at Lime Coke's recent evolution on Falcon...

Spoiler: show

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:36 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:33 pm Lime Coke, when you finish sharing your ketchup, it’d be super if you could give some baseline reads much like I asked from G-Man. Top town and/or mafia reads.

I'm building that up as we speak.

Dizzy is top town if you want a preview.

Falcon could be mafia based on that pop in during that small CFD attempt.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 12:19 am There's 1 in Falcon/Illario.

But I'm leaning a lot on Illario currently.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 12:34 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 12:31 am

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 12:27 am SPF
TSP
Axe

Dizzy
JJJ
Sloonei

SonofAnarch
Dolby

G-Man
Marmot
Illario/Falcon (T v W combo here)


@JaggedJimmyJay

This is my list.

Clears

Strong towns

Mid tier

Scum tier.

do you mind talking a little bit about why you think illario/falcon is T v W specifically? why can't they be wolves together?

also, if illario wasn't getting chopped today, who would you wanna vote next?

Because Falcon's just planting his vote on Illario both day phases and not moving. I know both can do well with distancing but that would kinda be ridiculous? Don't you think?

Next vote is either the opposite side of that spectrum with Falcon. Seeing the sudden pop in when he had the CFD placed on him.

Or Marmot.

If Falcon is mafia Marmot is town because Falcon had that weird "Marmot being silent is deafening" post when it was only 2 hours into Day 2.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 1:13 am [VOTE: Falcon] aubergine

I don't know what to think honestly.

If SPF has a better solve I'll listen.

Otherwise I'm thrown a bit for a loop.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 2:41 am In terms of my scumreads-

I might only have one.

Since Illario might end up being town.

Falcon has to be mafia. His fixation on Illario and voting him for 2 days straight is very awkward.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:42 pm Marmot's silence is deafening

This line from Falcon is kinda gross just based on the merit of him posting this 2 hours after the day started. Like could be timezone difference or whatever reasoning he's not going to be here at SOD every day for every game. Feels like he'd be stacking the deck in order to have his viewpoint look solid.

Last thing is the fact that the CFD wagon started on Falcon, and 2 minutes after SPF is the third vote on the wagon, Falcon appears with a post.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 2:44 am My issue is that literally every game I play with Falcon I end up scumreading the guy, and that's probably this playstyle difference on this site compared to other games that I normally play.

Like so many town players just look scummy by playstyle.

It makes so many of these players such a >rand flip.

...my mind considers the following:

1) Lime Coke and Falcon are teammates.

2) Lime Coke, seeing that Falcon is on enough radars, adds Falcon to his radar.

3) In short order, Lime Coke puts Falcon deep in his POE, but makes Falcon part of an either/or scenario with a civvie he thinks he can build a case on for a mischop (ilario). This would allow him to save face and go after Falcon if his preferred mischop target gets chopped first.

4) When his ilario case implodes, Lime Coke is forced to double down on his teammate Falcon and votes there.

5) He adds a little hedge at the end to give him a potential reason to not vote for Falcon at the end if it comes to that.


Is this too Mafia 101 and I should give up playing with the jumbo crayons? Or does this pass the sniff test? Poke holes in it please.



I want to look at the folks in my POE today as time allows (which it won't for the most part). This is what struck me when looking at Lime Coke. The placement of JJJ in my POE is among the softest, so I don't think I will go down that road further until the game develops more (preferably with me still in it). That leaves four more folks to consider yet.

Well yeah, this is the long version of "Lime Coke's vote on falcon could be distancing." I am very much thinking along those lines.

This goes beyond distancing though, doesn't it? What started as distancing led to a dead end that Lime Coke may be stuck with. Nothing in those posts show me any fervent desire to see Falcon dead. To me it's more of a bland, if not reluctant, acceptance of Falcon as his only option considering his progression.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 10:21 am I think if Lime Coke is mafia, G-Man is 100% always mafia right @JaggedJimmyJay

Spoiler: show

Though I've already been called the 'boring' and 'not exciting' option, so maybe it leads more to an apathetic shrug than disappointment.

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 11:32 am Does anyone specifically townread either Dolby or Lime Coke? Those two players seem to be consensus scumreads, or at least exist in everyone's POE's, except for each others.

Dolby has a vibe read of Lime Coke, and Lime Coke has Dolby just outside his POE.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 12:24 pm

G-Man wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 12:22 pm

Johanna wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 10:02 am

G-Man wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 9:05 am Theory time:

When I look at Lime Coke's recent evolution on Falcon...

Spoiler: show

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:36 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:33 pm Lime Coke, when you finish sharing your ketchup, it’d be super if you could give some baseline reads much like I asked from G-Man. Top town and/or mafia reads.

I'm building that up as we speak.

Dizzy is top town if you want a preview.

Falcon could be mafia based on that pop in during that small CFD attempt.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 12:19 am There's 1 in Falcon/Illario.

But I'm leaning a lot on Illario currently.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 12:34 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 12:31 am

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 12:27 am SPF
TSP
Axe

Dizzy
JJJ
Sloonei

SonofAnarch
Dolby

G-Man
Marmot
Illario/Falcon (T v W combo here)


@JaggedJimmyJay

This is my list.

Clears

Strong towns

Mid tier

Scum tier.

do you mind talking a little bit about why you think illario/falcon is T v W specifically? why can't they be wolves together?

also, if illario wasn't getting chopped today, who would you wanna vote next?

Because Falcon's just planting his vote on Illario both day phases and not moving. I know both can do well with distancing but that would kinda be ridiculous? Don't you think?

Next vote is either the opposite side of that spectrum with Falcon. Seeing the sudden pop in when he had the CFD placed on him.

Or Marmot.

If Falcon is mafia Marmot is town because Falcon had that weird "Marmot being silent is deafening" post when it was only 2 hours into Day 2.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 1:13 am [VOTE: Falcon] aubergine

I don't know what to think honestly.

If SPF has a better solve I'll listen.

Otherwise I'm thrown a bit for a loop.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 2:41 am In terms of my scumreads-

I might only have one.

Since Illario might end up being town.

Falcon has to be mafia. His fixation on Illario and voting him for 2 days straight is very awkward.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:42 pm Marmot's silence is deafening

This line from Falcon is kinda gross just based on the merit of him posting this 2 hours after the day started. Like could be timezone difference or whatever reasoning he's not going to be here at SOD every day for every game. Feels like he'd be stacking the deck in order to have his viewpoint look solid.

Last thing is the fact that the CFD wagon started on Falcon, and 2 minutes after SPF is the third vote on the wagon, Falcon appears with a post.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 2:44 am My issue is that literally every game I play with Falcon I end up scumreading the guy, and that's probably this playstyle difference on this site compared to other games that I normally play.

Like so many town players just look scummy by playstyle.

It makes so many of these players such a >rand flip.

...my mind considers the following:

1) Lime Coke and Falcon are teammates.

2) Lime Coke, seeing that Falcon is on enough radars, adds Falcon to his radar.

3) In short order, Lime Coke puts Falcon deep in his POE, but makes Falcon part of an either/or scenario with a civvie he thinks he can build a case on for a mischop (ilario). This would allow him to save face and go after Falcon if his preferred mischop target gets chopped first.

4) When his ilario case implodes, Lime Coke is forced to double down on his teammate Falcon and votes there.

5) He adds a little hedge at the end to give him a potential reason to not vote for Falcon at the end if it comes to that.


Is this too Mafia 101 and I should give up playing with the jumbo crayons? Or does this pass the sniff test? Poke holes in it please.



I want to look at the folks in my POE today as time allows (which it won't for the most part). This is what struck me when looking at Lime Coke. The placement of JJJ in my POE is among the softest, so I don't think I will go down that road further until the game develops more (preferably with me still in it). That leaves four more folks to consider yet.

Well yeah, this is the long version of "Lime Coke's vote on falcon could be distancing." I am very much thinking along those lines.

This goes beyond distancing though, doesn't it? What started as distancing led to a dead end that Lime Coke may be stuck with. Nothing in those posts show me any fervent desire to see Falcon dead. To me it's more of a bland, if not reluctant, acceptance of Falcon as his only option considering his progression.

I'm convinced. @falcon45ca finish up your coffee, because it'll be your last.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 12:26 pm Is coffee the most advertised (free advertising) addictive substance on the market?

I think it is. Everywhere you go people tell you about their addiction regardless of time of day, or activity.

I've had my coffee
Haven't had my coffee
Not enough coffee
I need more coffee
Can I have coffee this late in the day?

It's crazy.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 12:38 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 12:26 pm Is coffee the most advertised (free advertising) addictive substance on the market?

I think it is. Everywhere you go people tell you about their addiction regardless of time of day, or activity.

I've had my coffee
Haven't had my coffee
Not enough coffee
I need more coffee
Can I have coffee this late in the day?

It's crazy.

No, sex is.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 12:39 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 12:38 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 12:26 pm Is coffee the most advertised (free advertising) addictive substance on the market?

I think it is. Everywhere you go people tell you about their addiction regardless of time of day, or activity.

I've had my coffee
Haven't had my coffee
Not enough coffee
I need more coffee
Can I have coffee this late in the day?

It's crazy.

No, sex is.

Most people don't talk about sex.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 12:42 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 12:39 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 12:38 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 12:26 pm Is coffee the most advertised (free advertising) addictive substance on the market?

I think it is. Everywhere you go people tell you about their addiction regardless of time of day, or activity.

I've had my coffee
Haven't had my coffee
Not enough coffee
I need more coffee
Can I have coffee this late in the day?

It's crazy.

No, sex is.

Most people don't talk about sex.

On the internet?



I think you're mistaken there. Big mistake. Huge.

Johanna wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 12:37 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 11:32 am Does anyone specifically townread either Dolby or Lime Coke? Those two players seem to be consensus scumreads, or at least exist in everyone's POE's, except for each others.

Dolby has a vibe read of Lime Coke, and Lime Coke has Dolby just outside his POE.

Some people had some townread. I haven't really seen a reason to scumread them but I hope things will become a bit clearer now that he seems to have rejoined the thread.

One thing that I couldn't help but note about G-Man's list is that, also against consensus, Dolby was placed rather high up. Unless I am misremembering. These are associative pointers, I'm just not sure how to weigh them. I feel like right now Lime's D2 is the shakiest performance we have and they make a good candidate, so I'd rather start clearing the POE from there or falcon.

G-Man wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 12:47 pm Dolby put forth some logical posts.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 12:49 pm @G-Man @falcon45ca throw down the hammer and I promise I won't vote either of you tomorrow.

Dolby wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 12:51 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 12:49 pm @G-Man @falcon45ca throw down the hammer and I promise I won't vote either of you tomorrow.

Don't encourage this. A majjed minute is a wasted minute

Also I'm still 400 posts back

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 12:52 pm

Dolby wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 12:51 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 12:49 pm @G-Man @falcon45ca throw down the hammer and I promise I won't vote either of you tomorrow.

Don't encourage this. A majjed minute is a wasted minute

Also I'm still 400 posts back

I'm sure you suddenly have a bunch to discuss, but I'm impatient, and I want my flip.