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[NotAnAxehole]

Ok, ok. I am the fruit vendor.

Okay that explains the comedy routine.

What comedy routine?

[NotAnAxehole]

I don’t know if targets even matter here, but maybe you should share your Night 1 fruit recipient NAA.

Fruit recipients don't matter for any reason other than watcher yeah?

[Sloonei]

but in fairness, he also caught me in goc 2019.

sorry i worded that poorly

i meant, who here has caught jjj when he was a wolf

i know, that is what i was answering. i caught him in those two games.

the latter of the two just happened to be multiball where we were both mafia on opposite teams.

Can you go into what he did in those two games that made him look scummy to you? What’s the differences between his townplay and scum game ?

Not without digging into the archives. Mountain Mafia was more than a couple years ago. If my foggy memory is correct, there was an instance where I fundamentally disagreed with an argument he was making, and that was the final nail in the coffin. But I can’t recall much more than that, and I would not give that game too much weight given that it was so long ago.

My thought process when I caught him in the multiball game was more or less “Jay is playing like me. I am mafia. Therefore Jay is also mafia.” So not super helpful here.

[Lime Coke]

@staypositivefriend

Okay, there might be one read I'm going to need to sheep you on, and that's on JJJ, because I'm afraid to put a read on this guy and screw things up. Because his posts are all there, he's very active. Like gut is saying town but I don't want to have a gut read on someone that can be very good as a wolf. I don't think I'd be able to get him accurately.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Lime Coke, when you finish sharing your ketchup, it’d be super if you could give some baseline reads much like I asked from G-Man. Top town and/or mafia reads.

[Sloonei]

I don’t know if targets even matter here, but maybe you should share your Night 1 fruit recipient NAA.

Fruit recipients don't matter for any reason other than watcher yeah?

They can help confirm you if they’re aware they receive fruit.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I don’t know if targets even matter here, but maybe you should share your Night 1 fruit recipient NAA.

Fruit recipients don't matter for any reason other than watcher yeah?

Think so. As far as I can tell fruit vendor and sleepwalker only exist to weaken the watcher. The former can be an IC by way of claim I suppose.

[Lime Coke]

Ok, ok. I am the fruit vendor.

Okay that explains the comedy routine.

What comedy routine?

The stuff with Sloonei back on page 18 when he was asking for explanations on everything and you just kept fooling around.

[NotAnAxehole]

I don’t know if targets even matter here, but maybe you should share your Night 1 fruit recipient NAA.

Fruit recipients don't matter for any reason other than watcher yeah?

They can help confirm you if they’re aware they receive fruit.

See set up.

[NotAnAxehole]

Ok, ok. I am the fruit vendor.

Okay that explains the comedy routine.

What comedy routine?

The stuff with Sloonei back on page 18 when he was asking for explanations on everything and you just kept fooling around.

Oh no, that was purely to taunt Sloonei for no good reason at all.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Anyone want to claim receiving fruit? Go for it. Have a claim.

[Lime Coke]

Lime Coke, when you finish sharing your ketchup, it’d be super if you could give some baseline reads much like I asked from G-Man. Top town and/or mafia reads.

I'm building that up as we speak.

Dizzy is top town if you want a preview.

Falcon could be mafia based on that pop in during that small CFD attempt.

[NotAnAxehole]

Uhm guys, the target isn't told

[Lime Coke]

Ok, ok. I am the fruit vendor.

Okay that explains the comedy routine.

What comedy routine?

The stuff with Sloonei back on page 18 when he was asking for explanations on everything and you just kept fooling around.

Oh no, that was purely to taunt Sloonei for no good reason at all.

Oh yeah I understand. It's hilarious in hindsight.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Uhm guys, the target isn't told

Ssssshhhhhh

[NotAnAxehole]

Uhm guys, the target isn't told

Ssssshhhhhh

Hot damn

[NotAnAxehole]

Ok, ok. I am the fruit vendor.

Okay that explains the comedy routine.

What comedy routine?

The stuff with Sloonei back on page 18 when he was asking for explanations on everything and you just kept fooling around.

Oh no, that was purely to taunt Sloonei for no good reason at all.

Oh yeah I understand. It's hilarious in hindsight.

I age like a fine wine.

[Sloonei]

I don’t know if targets even matter here, but maybe you should share your Night 1 fruit recipient NAA.

Fruit recipients don't matter for any reason other than watcher yeah?

They can help confirm you if they’re aware they receive fruit.

See set up.

Then yeah, fruit vendor exists purely to appear in watcher reports.

[staypositivefriend]

This sequence makes me want to vote NAA (and his ISO)

[VOTE: NotanAxehole] aubergine

This page has been unproductive. I am partially at fault for that. Let’s turn it around.

We seem to be circling around Marmot and sig as our primary options for today, but neither has an overwhelming case against them. Dizzy has articulated some arguments against sig, but otherwise this has mostly been a Process of Elimination in action.

If you (everyone) had to pick one more name to add to the list of candidates today, who would it be?

Which player’s stock has improved the most over the last ~6 hours or so?

NAA

I liked Dizzy and Illario but don't think either are controversial

I liked Marmot's posting to a lesser extent.

am i missing some crucial context, or is this sequence from dolby completely contradictory?

[staypositivefriend]

This sequence makes me want to vote NAA (and his ISO)

[VOTE: NotanAxehole] aubergine

This page has been unproductive. I am partially at fault for that. Let’s turn it around.

We seem to be circling around Marmot and sig as our primary options for today, but neither has an overwhelming case against them. Dizzy has articulated some arguments against sig, but otherwise this has mostly been a Process of Elimination in action.

If you (everyone) had to pick one more name to add to the list of candidates today, who would it be?

Which player’s stock has improved the most over the last ~6 hours or so?

NAA

I liked Dizzy and Illario but don't think either are controversial

I liked Marmot's posting to a lesser extent.

am i missing some crucial context, or is this sequence from dolby completely contradictory?

oh disregard this, i had misread the context of sloonei's initial post. this is not contradictory

[JaggedJimmyJay]

@staypositivefriend suppose that depends upon what happened in the 17 minutes separating posts #2 and #3.

It’s goofy.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Oh

[Sloonei]

Questions on top of questions on top of questions

[Lime Coke]

Johanna's "Limey" post makes me not want to vote her today because I thought it was funny.

[staypositivefriend]

i took a quick skim at dolby's ISO, and i found myself pinged by a couple of things. here are some examples:

https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 37#p856437 - i take no issue with dolby voicing his distrust of the "triad" that formed early in the game, and i think it would be a reasonable concern for a villager to have, but i do not feel that dolby's posts throughout d1 reflect the mindset of: "i am paranoid about jagged and sloonei and SPF". he mentioned being paranoid about the triad a handful of times, but his reads and pushes throughout d1 more or less aligned with the exact consensus that the 'triad' was pushing for.

speaking of the consensus, i find the positioning of when dolby started pushing on sig to feel almost strategic in nature. i am doubtful that dolby would have organically started pushing on sig in a world where sig was not already a consensus suspicion, and dolby making a post to voice his thought that sig did not "Look Good" could align with a wolf that wanted to echo the consensus and look more villagery

https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 46#p856446 i feel perhaps even a slight dissonance in the way that dolby capitulates to the idea that jagged/sloonei had a villagery mindmeld early on, since this would be an observation that dolby would have made before saying that people are "too trusting" of the triad. it isn't actually dissonant, but something about it rubs me the wrong way

dolby choosing to throw out NAA as a candidate for consideration on d1 while ~also~ leaving room open to vote sig has aged fairly poorly in light of NAA claiming fruit vendor. this is not wolfy in a vacuum, but it could fit with the idea that dolby has been playing a safe game that is focused on pushing on the village slots that are being widely misread

i do not think any of these points against dolby are smoking guns, moreso mild concerns, and i actually like some of dolby's posts. even so, i think he looks more wolfy in a holistic sense than not

[NotAnAxehole]

I think the most damning thing for Dolby is that he came into d2 with nothing much to say other than a vote on me and telling people not to kill low content players.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Dolby going after NAA is probably my least favorite thing at face value. He white knighted Sloonei in that NAA exchange and then shaded a player (NAA) who by design made himself and easy target.

[NotAnAxehole]

Dolby going after NAA is probably my least favorite thing at face value. He white knighted Sloonei in that NAA exchange and then shaded a player (NAA) who by design made himself and easy target.

How dare you... I am TK proof.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Dolby going after NAA is probably my least favorite thing at face value. He white knighted Sloonei in that NAA exchange and then shaded a player (NAA) who by design made himself and easy target.

How dare you... I am TK proof.

Hard to town kill? Maybe

Hard to accuse of being mafia for “being unhelpful” or some stuff like that? Naw

It’d be bait taken.

[NotAnAxehole]

Guns don't kill people, it's impossible to be killed by a gun, we are all invincible to bullets and it's a miracle!

[JaggedJimmyJay]

My confidence in my solve has only strengthened. Confirmation bias carry me home.

[staypositivefriend]

1-2 wolves in dolby/g-man, 1 wolf in illario/limecoke, 1-2 wolves in falcon/SoA/TSP

[staypositivefriend]

1-2 wolves in dolby/g-man, 1 wolf in illario/limecoke, 1-2 wolves in falcon/SoA/TSP

perhaps i should amend this to be: "0-1 wolves in illario/lime coke", since we could live in a world where both are villagers

[NotAnAxehole]

[NotAnAxehole]

1-2 wolves in dolby/g-man, 1 wolf in illario/limecoke, 1-2 wolves in falcon/SoA/TSP

I can vibe this

[staypositivefriend]

@staypositivefriend

Okay, there might be one read I'm going to need to sheep you on, and that's on JJJ, because I'm afraid to put a read on this guy and screw things up. Because his posts are all there, he's very active. Like gut is saying town but I don't want to have a gut read on someone that can be very good as a wolf. I don't think I'd be able to get him accurately.

mm well, in a world where jagged is a wolf, it would have to be a world where:

A. the consensus POE is completely wonky

B. sloonei would (likely) need to be a wolf with him

C. he would need to start making more and more overtly dishonest/questionable pushes as the game goes on

as such, if we live in a world where jagged is a wolf, i don't think i would be able to catch him today off of interactions alone - it would likely be a slow burn where his wolfiness becomes more and more clear to me over time. so, in a world where things start looking really off (like, say that we get to LYLO and jagged is still alive after a string of dead villagers), then tinfoiling jagged is quite reasonable, but my current feeling is that he's just town

[G-Man]

Time to flesh some of this stuff out. There were some stretches in this game that didn't make much of an impression on me. Also, I got pretty into the last three or four pages and didn't jot many notes down as I neared the finish line. Here's what I have:

DOLBY
There was a logic and consistency in some of his posts that reinforced the two posts I liked enough to put in my notes. Early in games I find myself gravitating to logic that strikes me as being akin to my own wavelength. I like the brevity of many of his posts.


DYSLEXICON
A lot of my early comments refer to behavior in Dyslexicon that seemed all over the place to me. You get a lot of cheekiness with Dys, but some of it felt like an act to me. Dys was also pretty active on the Sig train, which doesn't fit the plan of a baddie. You don't have to push too hard to get a D1 mischop, and Dys put in quite a bit of effort in casing and prodding Sig. Dyslexicon's overall tone smoothed out over time and gave way to some good observations. It's been enough that I'd say I am comfortable with Dys at this point.


FALCON
Looking back through just his ISO now reinforces the fact that his posts failed to make much of an impression on me. There's a lot of retorts, musings on other people's thoughts, and borderline OT randomness, but not enough original thoughts for the size of his ISO. In post #354, he offers three baddie names but with no meat behind it. I balked at this post, but in looking back on it now, perhaps this is Falcon broadcasting his own philosophy/strategy for the game? He's certainly been one to avoid making waves as far as I can tell.


ILARIO
Lots of threadspew. Sometimes it's brief, but there's an over-explaining quality in some posts that catch my eye. I am guilty of trying to be too perfect at times in my posts as a baddie, so it's a quality that catches my eye when I see it in others. He also popped in near EOD and camped out. To me, it was a bit conspicuous rather than natural. I'll have to go back if I can and re-read his content from when he popped in to see if that's something I can double down on.


JAGGEDJIMMYJAY
I have always wanted to catch JJJ as a baddie. I don't believe that I ever have. With only a few games left in my tank, I don't know how many more times our paths will cross. All this notwithstanding, JJJ is the part of the dynamic duo that I am more concerned about. There were a few posts that did not feel like the Jay I remember. It's not difficult for me to read him as supa-towning this thing hard out of the gate like this to maximize the baddies numbers advantage and put this thing to bed neatly and quickly.


JOHANNA
She impressed me with her opening post, though I had second thoughts about it being salady with the aftertaste of it all. After that, her posts are plenty but they also have a very straight-laced vanilla feel that doesn't leave much of an impression in my mind. It's very much just-at-radar-level content. I want to see her rock the boat a little or else it feels like she's playing a modest and potentially safe game.


LIME COKE
First, I'm sorry, but I can never call you LC. Long Con is and always will be LC in my mind. You can be LiCo if you like, or else it's Lime Coke. Anyway, there's an awful lot of ISO for someone who apparently has been struggling to keep up with the game. The D1 outbursts were a bit much, but it seems some time away from the game brought a cooler head back to it. There's a lot of one-off fluff in his ISO as I look at it. Those sort of innocent quips help pad the post count, but it's a bit flat when you rewind it (see what I did there? hurdeehur). I want to see what he can bring to the rest of D2 without getting too wound up.


MARMOT
I hesitate to say it, but I'm impressed overall with Marmot's production this game. I've been fooled hard by him in the past, but he's been willing to go into the weeds on the path less travelled, as well as standing his ground against some opinions and consensus views. He's asking good questions, raising good points, and nudging the game forward in a way that isn't go-with-the-flow.


NOTANAXEHOLE
My hot take is that this guy seems a lot like early-era Mac. He's got a mind of his own and he'll damn well use it. I get how the tone and abrasiveness can turn people off, but if we didn't have contrarians and dissenters in our midst, the baddies could just supa-town hypnotize us into skipping hand-in-hand right off a cliff. He's wrong about me being part of his solve, but I want to give him a little more room to work. After all, look what Mac blossomed into over time. NAA is too easy to write-off due to tone. I don't want easy.


SLOONEI
RIght now, he's toeing the line of standard-issue Sloonei. He started out less solvey, but it seems to be increasing. I wasn't a fan of his philosophy of building a POE based on who can be townread the least. He's not the only one who has espoused that line of thought though. Projecting town isn't all that hard in my limited experience. Overall, he feels like a slightly different model Sloonei, but nothing that requires a recall.


SOA
The country-boy schtick takes some getting used to. He started out the game pretty confident- almost overconfident at times. At the same time, his early content seemed a bit too agreeable. Maybe not glommy, but agreeable for sure. He is another one that I feel gets a bit too explainy at times, which gives me pause. I don't need a perfect answer each time. Perfect is the enemy of the good. This post goes against my philosophy of trying to think like a baddie and outwit the sneaky plan you might not otherwise see coming. Some of his D1 work seemed a little much for a baddie, but perhaps he's just that confident in his game.


TONYSTARKPRIME
More and more, Tony strikes me as an accessible version of Vompatti. There are the terse one-line responses, but there's also some meat now and then. There's the theory now that he's the watcher? I'll have to go back if time allows to see what backs that up beyond just a claim. He's been a tough egg for me to crack before, but I tentatively like him at arm's length.

[Lime Coke]

I'm enjoying Johanna, but not even sure what the hell her alignment is, and if she's mafia then .

Like she's having fun with the spoiler gimmicks and it's fun to read them. Puts you in a better mood.

I'm not voting this ever.

Vote somewhere else.

Over there.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

G-Man I feel like you picked random posts out of my ISO to suggest are unlike me. That stuff is vintage.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

1-2 wolves in dolby/g-man, 1 wolf in illario/limecoke, 1-2 wolves in falcon/SoA/TSP

Agreeable enough. Mine, within your groups here, would be:

2, 1, 1

So that’s well enough in alignment. ilario as an emergency button is fine.

[G-Man]

Transferring all that to solidify a 6-and-6 format, I arrive at these groupings (alphabetical order, not ranked):

TOWN:
-Dolby
-Dyslexicon
-Marmot
-NotAnAxehole
-Sloonei
-TonyStarkPrime


POE:
-Falcon
-Ilario
-JaggedJimmyJay
-Johanna
-Lime Coke
-SOA

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Thanks, G-Man. I’ll shut up and just chew on all that.

[Sloonei]

Why am I town but not Jay?

[Marmot]

I really enjoyed G-Man comparing everryone to old time Syndicate players. Good memories (mostly).

[G-Man]

G-Man I feel like you picked random posts out of my ISO to suggest are unlike me. That stuff is vintage.

Those posts all made me think 'wait, what?'

I for one refuse to believe that you 'forget' how to play as a baddie, especially if you've had success as one. Besides, I would think that your scientific approach to the game should be easy to reverse-engineer for when you land a baddie role card.

[Lime Coke]

Page 26

I still don't know where you get your reads from.

I lowkey want to get chopped to see your reaction but my guess is that you will be unfazed by failure.

Ughhhhh, a "pop the ego balloon" post. I townread these because I do the same thing.

Illario thinks the same thing on the same page. Dammit, are you town?

I don't think NAA is scum but he's definitely just taken a solidly anti-town position

Spoiler: show

which is hilarious

Spoiler: show

and tragic.

Totally NAI but I'm having fun reading Johanna using the spoiler gimmicks. Can we keep her around for a while?

Page 27

Illario spends a lot of time trying to get JJJ, Sloonei, and Dizzy all to come under some scrutiny. This could be based as town because Illario tries to find deep wolves in most games.
At the same time this could easily be a mafia trying to bring MLs into the POE.

Marmot votes Sloonei after Illario states slight sus of him.

Page 28

Lc, jjj, you, Dolby maybe (?), tsp if he’s not the watcher,

I would like to see you grill jjj harder

Is the top line a list of names you are uneasy about?

I feel no need to grill Jay at present. He is town until further notice.

Yup pmuch

Why have Jay and I slid in your view? Either individually or as the unit that we are.

Also I am interested in your Lime Coke thoughts.

Lc is probably scum tbh

You and jay mostly slid just because I found Johanna and NAA to be very towny today. At which point I reached a threshold of having too many townreads. At that point I asked myself who am I more likely to be misreading. On one hand I have players such as Johanna, naa, soa who seem relatively new to FM. On the other hand I have seasoned vets with a decade worth of experience who were are commanding voices in the game that’s leading us to a poe that I don’t feel all to comfortable with. At that point I figured it’s likely that I’m misreading someone in the latter.


I did not factor dizzy into this because dizzy is

.....

whut?

Lc is probably scum tbh

Kek

He was one of my very first srs btw

Incase you didn’t know

.....

Didn't you townread me Day 1?

[Lime Coke]

[VOTE: Illario] aubergine

@staypositivefriend

Something's off with his read on me.

[Sloonei]

I really enjoyed G-Man comparing everryone to old time Syndicate players. Good memories (mostly).

I chuckled at “accessible Vompatti” for TSP. It makes sense.

[Lime Coke]

There's 1 in Falcon/Illario.

But I'm leaning a lot on Illario currently.

[G-Man]

Why am I town but not Jay?

Tin foil may play a role, but it's a small role for now.

Also, you didn't make the kind of pingy posts that Jay did. Some things just felt off.

Besides, I've already nailed you as a baddie once and you haven't made those same mistakes yet.