The Syndicate

Posted: **Mon Feb 28, 2022 12:25 am**

And it turns out I still think Dizzy's town

If I get a good night's sleep before I die his game you might get an explanation but I mean just search "Alison" in his ISO lol

Posted: **Mon Feb 28, 2022 12:26 am**

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME any town reads apart from Wilgy and Mac?

Posted: **Mon Feb 28, 2022 12:30 am**

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 12:25 am And it turns out I still think Dizzy's town

If I get a good night's sleep before I die his game you might get an explanation but I mean just search "Alison" in his ISO lol

I just did this, and it didn't quite get me there. Still, if there's a specific micro-progression (new word) you're referring to similar to the ones you've pointed out about me, it'd be helpful if you could highlight it.

Posted: **Mon Feb 28, 2022 12:34 am**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 12:26 am @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME any town reads apart from Wilgy and Mac?

Hally

mac is a conditional town read, I think there's one between you him and axe but not more than one

Posted: **Mon Feb 28, 2022 12:34 am**

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 12:34 am mac is a conditional town read, I think there's one between you him and axe but not more than one

One town between us or one mafia?

Posted: **Mon Feb 28, 2022 12:35 am**

i think mac has actually had the villageriest D2 of anyone so far

Posted: **Mon Feb 28, 2022 12:36 am**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 12:34 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 12:34 am mac is a conditional town read, I think there's one between you him and axe but not more than one
One town between us or one mafia?

One mafia

Posted: **Mon Feb 28, 2022 12:37 am**

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 12:36 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 12:34 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 12:34 am mac is a conditional town read, I think there's one between you him and axe but not more than one
One town between us or one mafia?
One mafia

So would it be accurate for me to say that you currently believe the mafia team to be c4 + Mac/NAA/Jay?

Posted: **Mon Feb 28, 2022 12:39 am**

Hally wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 12:35 am i think mac has actually had the villageriest D2 of anyone so far

fucking take that society

Posted: **Mon Feb 28, 2022 12:40 am**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 12:37 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 12:36 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 12:34 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 12:34 am mac is a conditional town read, I think there's one between you him and axe but not more than one
One town between us or one mafia?
One mafia
So would it be accurate for me to say that you currently believe the mafia team to be c4 + Mac/NAA/Jay?

Believe is a strong word

I believe it has the highest probability at this point in time, sure

Posted: **Mon Feb 28, 2022 12:40 am**

Hally wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 12:35 am i think mac has actually had the villageriest D2 of anyone so far

I might agree.

I'm not sure anyone else save yourself has actually been conveying a town spirit yet on Day 2 though.

Posted: **Mon Feb 28, 2022 12:41 am**

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 12:40 am Believe is a strong word

I believe it has the highest probability at this point in time, sure

Thank you.

Posted: **Mon Feb 28, 2022 12:44 am**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 12:30 am
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 12:25 am And it turns out I still think Dizzy's town

If I get a good night's sleep before I die his game you might get an explanation but I mean just search "Alison" in his ISO lol
I just did this, and it didn't quite get me there. Still, if there's a specific micro-progression (new word) you're referring to similar to the ones you've pointed out about me, it'd be helpful if you could highlight it.

There's no one thing, the whole thing put together just feels really real

If you want one region to look at, maybe around that part Friday evening where Alison came back

Posted: **Mon Feb 28, 2022 12:45 am**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 12:40 am
Hally wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 12:35 am i think mac has actually had the villageriest D2 of anyone so far
I might agree.

I'm not sure anyone else save yourself has actually been conveying a town spirit yet on Day 2 though.

wilgy’s poop post was lock town imo

Posted: **Mon Feb 28, 2022 12:48 am**

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 7:32 pm I just want everyone to know that I just used the restroom.

It was quite exhilarating.

this man is a beacon of villageriness

Posted: **Mon Feb 28, 2022 12:48 am**

I think c4 is town. He has been paying extremely close attention to the subtleties of posts and posting trends and is noticing things that I don't think mafia realize they could be looking for.

Posted: **Mon Feb 28, 2022 12:49 am**

I have it on good authority that taking a poop at SOD is suspicious

Posted: **Mon Feb 28, 2022 12:50 am**

Around that part you can see it just turns into an avalanche of reasons Alison is a wolf
And not bs reasons

Wolves are more likely to be content with finding a small handful of reasons to bury someone, and just cling to those and call back to them whenever necessary, and it's also just a lot harder to do that to someone you know is town
And just unnecessary considering how quickly the Alison momentum built up

All looks like actually solving Alison

Posted: **Mon Feb 28, 2022 12:52 am**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 12:49 am I have it on good authority that taking a poop at SOD is suspicious

man i remember that

what a great read lol

Posted: **Mon Feb 28, 2022 12:52 am**

@c4e5g3d5 who are your suspects other than Nanook?

Posted: **Mon Feb 28, 2022 12:53 am**

I lied I have an explanation

Posted: **Mon Feb 28, 2022 12:58 am**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 12:52 am @c4e5g3d5 who are your suspects other than Nanook?

My Achilles heel

I have non-PoE reasons to think Mac and Wilgy are wolves
I do not think Mac and Wilgy are Wolves
That's about all I can give you rn

Posted: **Mon Feb 28, 2022 1:00 am**

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 12:58 amnon-PoE reasons

What does this mean exactly?

Posted: **Mon Feb 28, 2022 1:01 am**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 1:00 am
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 12:58 amnon-PoE reasons
What does this mean exactly?

Reasons that aren't just "other people are townier"

Posted: **Mon Feb 28, 2022 1:02 am**

Some reasons why c4 is town:

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 9:38 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 9:37 pm Very well. Not claim and counterclaim. I still had fun.
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 9:35 pm
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 9:33 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 9:31 pm I'm treating Nanook and Alison as claim and counterclaim.
This is also a little wack
Understandable. Will explain later if it seems pertinent.
Still too soon to do this?

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 12:39 pm @JaggedJimmyJay are you now able to talk about the Radish things you couldn't talk about before

The guy town read me already and still wanted to poke at me with these little prompts/reminders to ensure 1) he could understand my reasons and 2) reinforce his confidence that I wasn't giving BS reads.

Link to post in which c4 explains why he thinks my progression on Mac was authentic

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 26, 2022 3:50 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Feb 26, 2022 2:36 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Sat Feb 26, 2022 2:34 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Feb 26, 2022 2:25 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Feb 26, 2022 2:23 pm Imagine it's Alison/NAA and both wolves have sat on my wagon for the bulk of the Day.

The fun thing about always being LHF is being bait.
I've considered it. NAA's sheep isn't terribly hard to view through that lens.
any other interactions stick out to you within your PoE? i know in the past you’ve tended to solve through interactions a lot even on D1

not expecting a chart, just anything you’ve noted
Let me take a quick look.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Feb 26, 2022 2:39 pm Anyone else notice that ISOs are a bit weird now? Quoted material within posts are collapsed into the post, and it makes it harder than it usually is to interpret. I think it's because posts are being truncated now, and they weren't in the past.
It's a bad reason to townread Jay but it's a reason

The prior link and this post evidence more of that. I am already a town read, but there's a great deal of scrutiny given to little details to continue justifying that the read doesn't change (unprompted). It feels like someone generally trusting my posts while also trying to avoid underestimating me.

Here is a similarly nuanced look at Hally to justify that town read.

I think there's similar evidence just a moment ago of c4 digging through Dizzy's posts for a specific purpose to develop that read, and he produced a nuanced view that accounts for both the global Alison progression and a localized moment in that progression. These are difficult things for mafia to build reads on or in some cases to think of at all.

For a single counter-argument: I wish c4 had more concrete suspicions.

Posted: **Mon Feb 28, 2022 1:02 am**

c4, you don’t think mac’s D2 is villagery?

Posted: **Mon Feb 28, 2022 1:03 am**

Hally wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 1:02 am c4, you don’t think mac’s D2 is villagery?

I do now

Posted: **Mon Feb 28, 2022 1:47 am**

As per tradition, I wake up to find myself lead wagon.

Posted: **Mon Feb 28, 2022 1:50 am**

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 7:27 pm I don’t really believe MR is mafia though, which is a problem. But he has been overdoing the I don’t care I’m joking haha play style, and it’s getting super tired

I'm not overdoing anything. I don't like playing D1s, am busy with work as usual, and am phone posting because my laptop is dead and I'm waiting for a new one. I'm keeping up but will not be taking any sort of lead.

Posted: **Mon Feb 28, 2022 2:03 am**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 9:57 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 9:50 pm what’s bad about the orange post, jay?
Here it is again for reference:

Spoiler: show
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 2:00 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 1:55 pm [VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine

Too much hammer chatter
Must say, I also found this weird. I never felt in danger of being hammered and I even resisted self voting for the meme because I figured it'd be a town more likely to hammer me, not a scum.

And then he doubled down on it which I guess is not really AI but still is a likely enough scum approach when called out on something.

I dont think I've ever seen scum Wilgz though.
I'm tweaked by "Must say, I also found this weird" but I didn't say so until you said so, Jay.

Then the second line of the post is hard to follow. MR granted it's not "AI" for Wilgy to double-down on his hammer dialogue, but also that it's "still a likely enough scum approach when called out on something" -- this is a weird sentence that gives me the wrong impression. There are two qualifiers trying to drag this away from "Not AI" and toward "I can accuse Wilgy for this". The qualifiers are:

1) It's not really AI, but also
2) likely enough scum approach when called out on something

I don't know what "when called out on something" means or why MR is relying upon this seemingly generic qualifier to a read that starts at "Not AI". Put another way, this reads to me as follows:

It's not AI unless it happens in response to being called out -- as though "being called out" isn't the normal situation under which someone doubles down

Seems kinda fake.

~~~

Separate from that individual post, I don't like MR treating Wilgy's hammer read like it's a joke. "Can't believe the scum haven't taken the opportunity to hammer Wilgy" just strikes me as unnecessary and alignment-irrelevant -- the only purpose served by such a comment is to make Wilgy look like a doofus. That's halfway understandable if Wilgy is a suspect, but as we see by day's end... MR doesn't even include Wilgy as a chop option. It all seems out of order to me.

You're over thinking things. Like, a lot.

Posted: **Mon Feb 28, 2022 2:22 am**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 12:48 am I think c4 is town. He has been paying extremely close attention to the subtleties of posts and posting trends and is noticing things that I don't think mafia realize they could be looking for.

such as

Posted: **Mon Feb 28, 2022 2:35 am**

Btw Mac to clarify something, I didn't, like, immediately agree with you about Jay when the Day started. Some of your later posts seemed to think I did.

I just had commented on seeing a difference from Jay in how he was treating a slot, i.e. he was not his cool and collected self, and felt at the time it was AI one way or another for him. (Having read up perhaps it isn't. I daresay it feels more v/v than not.)

Posted: **Mon Feb 28, 2022 2:36 am**

I know Jay is going to want me to respond to his casing of me but I'm going to out off doing that.

Posted: **Mon Feb 28, 2022 2:40 am**

A key reason I was content with chopping Alison was because her case against me was so generic and quite frankly poor as it applies to my meta that I didn't believe she believed it.

So I'm going to try to avoid doing the same to Jay. At this juncture I'd still call him Town anyway, but it's a similar case of a player I hold to high expectations in my head making pretty basic reads with a level of confidence disproportionately high.

Posted: **Mon Feb 28, 2022 2:54 am**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 2:22 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 12:48 am I think c4 is town. He has been paying extremely close attention to the subtleties of posts and posting trends and is noticing things that I don't think mafia realize they could be looking for.
such as

I listed some things soon after that post

Posted: **Mon Feb 28, 2022 2:56 am**

@Master Radishes if you’re not mafia I don’t have many teams that work in my head. I’m going to need you to propose alternatives

Posted: **Mon Feb 28, 2022 3:38 am**

[VOTE: nanook] aubergine

Posted: **Mon Feb 28, 2022 3:58 am**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 3:38 am [VOTE: nanook] aubergine

Vote me harder daddy

Posted: **Mon Feb 28, 2022 6:20 am**

*votes harder*

Posted: **Mon Feb 28, 2022 6:48 am**

Random reflections without having read carefully:

Is Mac really this lost and confused? Are you lost and confused, Mac?

Maybe it's a mistake to take Wilgy out of the PoE.

@JaggedJimmyJay Why are you struggling so to read me? Can I help you?

I'm pretty sure I'm over my Hally suspicion. They did a towny.

Also, I want to read this game more carefully and be more present with it. I've been constantly in a state of dissociation when engaging with the game, which isn't as comfortable as I want it to be. When I eventually get to it, I might have less random thoughts.

Posted: **Mon Feb 28, 2022 6:50 am**

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME Why is c4 mafia to you?

Posted: **Mon Feb 28, 2022 12:15 pm**

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 6:50 am @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME Why is c4 mafia to you?

Have you played with iawy before?

Posted: **Mon Feb 28, 2022 12:28 pm**

@Dyslexicon, I don’t know where you stand on the game, really. Many reads unclear. If you follow through with what you just said that’d be a good start.

Posted: **Mon Feb 28, 2022 12:29 pm**

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 12:15 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 6:50 am @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME Why is c4 mafia to you?
Have you played with iawy before?

At this point I think it’s evident that nobody know what your IAWY point is. I know who that is, but I don’t get it.

Posted: **Mon Feb 28, 2022 12:35 pm**

God it's such a pain to find it...ok ill hunt down his explanation of it, gimme a few

Posted: **Mon Feb 28, 2022 12:45 pm**

I can't find his good explanation but here's an OK one:

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... ost5376740

I don't necessarily believe this is broadly meaningful but I think it can apply here

Posted: **Mon Feb 28, 2022 12:59 pm**

not sure that’s the best example because iawy was wolf reading dolby for it and dolby was town that game

that rings a bell though, yea

Posted: **Mon Feb 28, 2022 1:03 pm**

I mean sure and he's explained it more eloquently but it's the first I found and I don't feel like digging through several hundred more posts when this is adequate

Posted: **Mon Feb 28, 2022 1:05 pm**

@Master Radishes do you have any wolf reads?

Posted: **Mon Feb 28, 2022 1:06 pm**

nook citing the vibe tell may be the villageriest thing he’s done this game, unironically

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