The Syndicate

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Black Rock wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Well, as it stands, either Long Con or Sorsha can place their vote onto me for survival. I'm none too pleased about that.

That's pretty crappy. I'm pretty sure civvies, at least some, have voted for you and they need to change it now.

A Sorsha vote is a good bet. I will vote to save Epignosis. I'm confidant he is not bad.

If you are not confidant, like I am, about Sorsha then vote LC. I will switch my vote to him to save Epignosis.

Also Matt is a bad vote. So don't vote there. If he was bad he would have never tried to push suspicion on me.

I'll switch my vote to Long Con.

I don't understand what you are saying about Matt here. Is this a personal thing?

How do you feel about Sorsha?

Black Rock wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Black Rock, what is your opinion of MetalMarsh?

He's been friendly to me, but his last post does not make sense. Maybe it's because my perspective should be obvious but I thought MM understood the obvious this game. It's not personal it's just not a good play if you were bad.

Do you think he's ignoring that fact out of convenience?

I think he's doing a lot of things out of convenience. But as always, I find it hard to pull the trigger on a MetalMarsh lynch.

I believe we spoke earlier about how, if you were looking to lynch MM, you really couldn't do much on the basis of his posts. For me, that's still the case. He's just...there.

I've also hosted many games, and the late game bus is a viable strategy I see often. But you're already cognizant of that, Black Rock.

Epignosis wrote:

Black Rock wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Black Rock, what is your opinion of MetalMarsh?

He's been friendly to me, but his last post does not make sense. Maybe it's because my perspective should be obvious but I thought MM understood the obvious this game. It's not personal it's just not a good play if you were bad.

Do you think he's ignoring that fact out of convenience?

I think he's doing a lot of things out of convenience. But as always, I find it hard to pull the trigger on a MetalMarsh lynch.

I believe we spoke earlier about how, if you were looking to lynch MM, you really couldn't do much on the basis of his posts. For me, that's still the case. He's just...there.

I understand. I think he plans it that way. I feel he gets lynched by accident most of the time. That's why he's a good first lynch, no real reason, just day 1. He decided be my friend and not kill me night 1 if he was bad though, that's nice. Thread content? Nothing.

On a scale of 1 to 10, would you lynch him? 10 being the highest likelihood.

Epignosis wrote:On a scale of 1 to 10, would you lynch him? 10 being the highest likelihood.

Without that scale I would say not right now. I've not got a gut read on him. I want to lynch Sorsha and LC first.

He is likely to get a vote before 6 others on the list of 12 on the poll though.


Black Rock
Epignosis
Ika
Matt
Scotty
Illyria
Metalmarsh89
Lorab
thellama73
Dom
Long Con
Sorsha


Wityhout this ever being a rainbow list, this is where I stand right now. Notice there is not a colour to be found. I'm feeling very confidant about this list at the moment.

Where you vote, I shall follow.

But not tonight. I'm tired and there is work tomorrow.

Black Rock wrote:

Epignosis wrote:On a scale of 1 to 10, would you lynch him? 10 being the highest likelihood.

Without that scale I would say not right now. I've not got a gut read on him. I want to lynch Sorsha and LC first.

He is likely to get a vote before 6 others on the list of 12 on the poll though.


Black Rock
Epignosis
Ika
Matt
Scotty
Illyria
Metalmarsh89
Lorab
thellama73
Dom
Long Con
Sorsha


Wityhout this ever being a rainbow list, this is where I stand right now. Notice there is not a colour to be found. I'm feeling very confidant about this list at the moment.

lol, this is my last night of having a drink before I lay the smack down on the new diet so any crimes against the English language doesn't count.

don't

count

Black Rock wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Black Rock, what is your opinion of MetalMarsh?

He's been friendly to me, but his last post does not make sense. Maybe it's because my perspective should be obvious but I thought MM understood the obvious this game. It's not personal it's just not a good play if you were bad.

Do you think he's ignoring that fact out of convenience?

I looked at the roles, and I think I gather what you're saying. I'll wait another day to pursue it then.

Black Rock wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Black Rock wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Well, as it stands, either Long Con or Sorsha can place their vote onto me for survival. I'm none too pleased about that.

That's pretty crappy. I'm pretty sure civvies, at least some, have voted for you and they need to change it now.

A Sorsha vote is a good bet. I will vote to save Epignosis. I'm confidant he is not bad.

If you are not confidant, like I am, about Sorsha then vote LC. I will switch my vote to him to save Epignosis.

Also Matt is a bad vote. So don't vote there. If he was bad he would have never tried to push suspicion on me.

I'll switch my vote to Long Con.

I don't understand what you are saying about Matt here. Is this a personal thing?

How do you feel about Sorsha?

She has been quiet. I thought she was quiet in Spirited Away, but she's been event quieter and less participatory here. Of her 40 posts, almost half of them came on Day 1. But the same could be said for a few people.

There was something else that struck me about her, I'll have to look back and see what it was.

Epignosis wrote:

Black Rock wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Black Rock, what is your opinion of MetalMarsh?

He's been friendly to me, but his last post does not make sense. Maybe it's because my perspective should be obvious but I thought MM understood the obvious this game. It's not personal it's just not a good play if you were bad.

Do you think he's ignoring that fact out of convenience?

I think he's doing a lot of things out of convenience. But as always, I find it hard to pull the trigger on a MetalMarsh lynch.

I believe we spoke earlier about how, if you were looking to lynch MM, you really couldn't do much on the basis of his posts. For me, that's still the case. He's just...there.

Hi, I'm... here, and I can see you talking about me.

I feel like I haven't gotten fully into this game. Some games I do, some games I don't, and this is one of the ones where I feel like I'm a step behind.

Here it was.

Sorsha wrote:Yeah. I'm voting Nero too. I could also vote ika, I'd like him to explain what "the point" actually was when he said "that's not the point"here I kinda want to vote LC too over the "slip" too. Not totally sure if it was one but seems like strange wording otherwise.

This was Sorsha's only post on Day 5, and it was to pop in and put a vote on Nero. Scotty posted his vote for Nero just before, and that was his only post of the day until about an hour before the deadline.

The timing of these two things is probably coincidental. But looking at Sorsha's vote, she did vote for Nerolunar without a reason, while offering reasons to vote for ika and Long Con and also stating interest. This doesn't make much sense.

Epignosis is right, I am just here.

How exactly do I have the fourth-most posts again?

I voted LC.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Epignosis is right, I am just here.

How exactly do I have the fourth-most posts again?

I said you were just here. I didn't say you were not here.

Dom wrote:I voted LC.

JJ

Black Rock wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Well, as it stands, either Long Con or Sorsha can place their vote onto me for survival. I'm none too pleased about that.

That's pretty crappy. I'm pretty sure civvies, at least some, have voted for you and they need to change it now.

A Sorsha vote is a good bet. I will vote to save Epignosis. I'm confidant he is not bad.

If you are not confidant, like I am, about Sorsha then vote LC. I will switch my vote to him to save Epignosis.

Also Matt is a bad vote. So don't vote there. If he was bad he would have never tried to push suspicion on me.

Why are you so confident Epi is good?

I want to give LC the same grace that a bunch of you gave me when I was silent, and not vote him today.

Epignosis wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Epignosis is right, I am just here.

How exactly do I have the fourth-most posts again?

I said you were just here. I didn't say you were not here.

That's what I said.

Scotty wrote:

Black Rock wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Well, as it stands, either Long Con or Sorsha can place their vote onto me for survival. I'm none too pleased about that.

That's pretty crappy. I'm pretty sure civvies, at least some, have voted for you and they need to change it now.

A Sorsha vote is a good bet. I will vote to save Epignosis. I'm confidant he is not bad.

If you are not confidant, like I am, about Sorsha then vote LC. I will switch my vote to him to save Epignosis.

Also Matt is a bad vote. So don't vote there. If he was bad he would have never tried to push suspicion on me.

Why are you so confident Epi is good?

I want to give LC the same grace that a bunch of you gave me when I was silent, and not vote him today.

JWP

Scotty wrote:

Black Rock wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Well, as it stands, either Long Con or Sorsha can place their vote onto me for survival. I'm none too pleased about that.

That's pretty crappy. I'm pretty sure civvies, at least some, have voted for you and they need to change it now.

A Sorsha vote is a good bet. I will vote to save Epignosis. I'm confidant he is not bad.

If you are not confidant, like I am, about Sorsha then vote LC. I will switch my vote to him to save Epignosis.

Also Matt is a bad vote. So don't vote there. If he was bad he would have never tried to push suspicion on me.

Why are you so confident Epi is good?

I want to give LC the same grace that a bunch of you gave me when I was silent, and not vote him today.

I just am. Something about is play is screaming civvie to me. Also, if I'm right about LC and Sorsha I very much doubt Epignosis is bad. If Epig was bad, I'd be dead. He thinks I won't be lynched and therefore I would be a liability to him.

Black Rock wrote:

Scotty wrote:

Black Rock wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Well, as it stands, either Long Con or Sorsha can place their vote onto me for survival. I'm none too pleased about that.

That's pretty crappy. I'm pretty sure civvies, at least some, have voted for you and they need to change it now.

A Sorsha vote is a good bet. I will vote to save Epignosis. I'm confidant he is not bad.

If you are not confidant, like I am, about Sorsha then vote LC. I will switch my vote to him to save Epignosis.

Also Matt is a bad vote. So don't vote there. If he was bad he would have never tried to push suspicion on me.

Why are you so confident Epi is good?

I want to give LC the same grace that a bunch of you gave me when I was silent, and not vote him today.

I just am. Something about is play is screaming civvie to me. Also, if I'm right about LC and Sorsha I very much doubt Epignosis is bad. If Epig was bad, I'd be dead. He thinks I won't be lynched and therefore I would be a liability to him.

The bolded is kinda dumb, people used that in turf and champ game all day on me and mp. We were scum. He hosted turf but I was scum there too

I'll move my vote to Sorsha.

I agree with Black Rock about Epignosis. We should lynch somebody else today. I can't recall him ever taking the front seat in a game where he was mafia.

Black Rock wrote:

Scotty wrote:

Black Rock wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Well, as it stands, either Long Con or Sorsha can place their vote onto me for survival. I'm none too pleased about that.

That's pretty crappy. I'm pretty sure civvies, at least some, have voted for you and they need to change it now.

A Sorsha vote is a good bet. I will vote to save Epignosis. I'm confidant he is not bad.

If you are not confidant, like I am, about Sorsha then vote LC. I will switch my vote to him to save Epignosis.

Also Matt is a bad vote. So don't vote there. If he was bad he would have never tried to push suspicion on me.

Why are you so confident Epi is good?

I want to give LC the same grace that a bunch of you gave me when I was silent, and not vote him today.

I just am. Something about is play is screaming civvie to me. Also, if I'm right about LC and Sorsha I very much doubt Epignosis is bad. If Epig was bad, I'd be dead. He thinks I won't be lynched and therefore I would be a liability to him.

Why would you be dead? To be frank, you haven't been all that active in reads until this phase, so if I were Mafia, I wouldn't find a problem with you being alive.
In the same sense, I feel like I'm only alive because I've been following Epi around all game and not losing any threats. So why is Epi still alive? Yes his cases have been largely fruitless thus far, but it's not a secret that he can be dangerous when civ.

Then again, I can't recall Epignosis ever "ISOing a bunch of people" in MP fashion so there's that. Nor do I recall Long Con ever ISOing a single player.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:I'll move my vote to Sorsha.

I agree with Black Rock about Epignosis. We should lynch somebody else today. I can't recall him ever taking the front seat in a game where he was mafia.

Can anyone else confirm this? I know Epi isn't one for meta, so just because he hasn't done it before doesn't mean he won't change up strategies.

I would consider changing my vote to Sorsha because at this point that's 2 people vouching for Epi's civiness and it's making me slightly uncomfortable

Scotty wrote:Why would you be dead? To be frank, you haven't been all that active in reads until this phase, so if I were Mafia, I wouldn't find a problem with you being alive.
In the same sense, I feel like I'm only alive because I've been following Epi around all game and not losing any threats. So why is Epi still alive? Yes his cases have been largely fruitless thus far, but it's not a secret that he can be dangerous when civ.

That's a good case of WIFOM. If you're mafia, would you nightkill someone who proceeds to lynch civilian after civilian?

If you're following Epignosis around all game, I assume you don't think he is mafia. Why do you want to lynch him today?

Turf wars?

I died early in Turf Wars, so I don't really remember anything that happened after Day 2. How did that one pan out?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Scotty wrote:Why would you be dead? To be frank, you haven't been all that active in reads until this phase, so if I were Mafia, I wouldn't find a problem with you being alive.
In the same sense, I feel like I'm only alive because I've been following Epi around all game and not losing any threats. So why is Epi still alive? Yes his cases have been largely fruitless thus far, but it's not a secret that he can be dangerous when civ.

That's a good case of WIFOM. If you're mafia, would you nightkill someone who proceeds to lynch civilian after civilian?

If you're following Epignosis around all game, I assume you don't think he is mafia. Why do you want to lynch him today?

Have you read my posts, Marmot?
A part of why I think Epi is bad is because although I was following his cases thus far with an air of deference because he has been putting out cases against people. But these cases have been wrong.

Another answer is that he is civ and has been leading these charges against civs by mistake as wont to do, and that is why he is still alive.

Epi is someone that is calculated and can back up his stories no matter how alignment, so he is always a tough one to pin. You have more experience with him than I, but I'm following a hunch. Again, I'm not settled, but we need to start producing and it has just made sense to me this phase that he is the head of the snake.

Long Con wrote:

Scotty wrote:

Black Rock wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Well, as it stands, either Long Con or Sorsha can place their vote onto me for survival. I'm none too pleased about that.

That's pretty crappy. I'm pretty sure civvies, at least some, have voted for you and they need to change it now.

A Sorsha vote is a good bet. I will vote to save Epignosis. I'm confidant he is not bad.

If you are not confidant, like I am, about Sorsha then vote LC. I will switch my vote to him to save Epignosis.

Also Matt is a bad vote. So don't vote there. If he was bad he would have never tried to push suspicion on me.

Why are you so confident Epi is good?

I want to give LC the same grace that a bunch of you gave me when I was silent, and not vote him today.

JWP

LC, can you post a longer message? It would help me?

I don't want Rob to die.

Dom wrote:I don't want Rob to die.

And I didn't want scums to nk silver. But it sucks we can't have everything we like.

Dom wrote:I don't want Rob to die.

Ok I don't want a civ to die but WHY IS HE CIV?

I wanted to take Rebecca Ashcroft to prom, but she went with my best friend instead.

Dom, would you vote for Sorsha?

I am troubled by how llama shows no concern over figuring out whether I am good or bad.

However, I understand he is moving this week.

ika, why do you think Silverwolf would have been my choice for a Night 1 kill?

Epignosis wrote:ika, why do you think Silverwolf would have been my choice for a Night 1 kill?

Im mobile so I can't post proper but turf wars is your answer

Nobody's voting Illy.

Epi, maybe there's no self targeting, but as I'm sure you very well know, the role who takes players off the poll also shares btsc. So you could just be their partner? Derp. Not to mention the btsc checker named you as one of their top suspects.

Black Rock, I dunno if I think you're bad really. As you probably know, I feel LOST (dun dun dun!) as fuck as a civilian, I don't know what's happening. What do YOU think of Illy? Am I really barking up the wrong tree here? Why does nobody respond to the fact that she lied about flip flopping on only one person she knew, when in fact she flip flopped on four of them? That's the kicker for me, is lies. Lies typically do not equal civvie, no matter what the lie is about. Am I wrong?

If the poll stays like this, I would rather vote Sorsha then Long Con, but two peeps I don't necessarily trust have their votes on Sorsha :/

Hrm.

Scotty wrote:

Dom wrote:I don't want Rob to die.

Ok I don't want a civ to die but WHY IS HE CIV?

I wanted to take Rebecca Ashcroft to prom, but she went with my best friend instead.

I do not read him as bad.

Scotty wrote:Dom, would you vote for Sorsha?

Tomorrow I might.

ika wrote:

Epignosis wrote:ika, why do you think Silverwolf would have been my choice for a Night 1 kill?

Im mobile so I can't post proper but turf wars is your answer

This is precisely why I think Epi would not kill Silverwolf N1.

Elaborate dom

Let's CFD ika. And if he flips bad, we get Lorab next.

Matt wrote:Let's CFD ika. And if he flips bad, we get Lorab next.

How about we not?

Especially when I'm freaking mobile and can't post proper.

Since it's not especially fair to ask Epi these kinds of questions...

People voting Epig...

Have you thought about

a) Wilgy, the btsc checker, named him as his top suspect shortly before he died...

and

b) Epig has been taken off the poll twice by players who share btsc.

Derp.

ika wrote:

Epignosis wrote:ika, why do you think Silverwolf would have been my choice for a Night 1 kill?

Im mobile so I can't post proper but turf wars is your answer

Perhaps your memory is failing you. Before you got lynched, you insisted we kill Silverwolf. I didn't want to, because I foresaw what a headache it would be immediately after with her naming most of our entire team. However, you were adamant, so we went with your wishes.

Black Rock wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Well, as it stands, either Long Con or Sorsha can place their vote onto me for survival. I'm none too pleased about that.

That's pretty crappy. I'm pretty sure civvies, at least some, have voted for you and they need to change it now.

A Sorsha vote is a good bet. I will vote to save Epignosis. I'm confidant he is not bad.

^^This

Black Rock wrote:If you are not confidant, like I am, about Sorsha then vote LC. I will switch my vote to him to save Epignosis.

Also Matt is a bad vote. So don't vote there. If he was bad he would have never tried to push suspicion on me.

Agreed.

Epignosis wrote:Where you vote, I shall follow.

Also, this ^^ But it will need to be soon for me to vote. I have to be somewhere at 330-- luckily it is close so I can leave at 3. I am happy to place my vote on either LC or Sorsha.

Voting Sorsha.[/u]

Ok so I still find Epi fishy, and I could also get behind a LC vote tomorrow when he can better defend himself, but Sorsha has been far too quiet this phase with her hanging on the edge. I trust BR's judgment right now.

I just hope this isn't a mistake.

Yeaaaaah way to be IKA!!!