Game of Champions 2017 - GAME OVER

[Sloonei]

I am bringing up Kyle repeatedly because I think he's a player worth looking at and talking about. We may not be able to lynch him today, but that's no reason to act like he's above suspicion.

Would it be worthwhile for me to push discussion of an unlynchable player today if I am scum?

[Sloonei]

Does anybody not think that one of the remaining members of Pikachu 2.0 is an Evil Even?

[colonialbob]

Repeat: what do people think of refrigerator's targeting? Pro or anti town?

[colonialbob]

Does anybody not think that one of the remaining members of Pikachu 2.0 is an Evil Even?

What is the reasoning here? Sorry if it's been stated and I just missed it.

[Kylemii]

scotty has laid out
some things that made me feel bad
about the sloonei

Sloonei could only
be one of the bad evens
right? is that correct

when marmot was slain,
Sloonei was the guy with the
hefty battle axe

when 'Helper said "hey,"
"these new guys are bad news, man"
Sloonei made a list

an even sloonei
would want to keep the fuzz off
his 5 list did that...

only, it is a
list clearing folks for good feels;
antiquated vibes.

as far as we know
cerb; never lynch an even,
pikachu no strex

it would be easy
for Crime to maintain the mask
with no risk to self

[Kylemii]

sloonei's responses
while I typed these poems out
have felt genuine

[Sloonei]

Does anybody not think that one of the remaining members of Pikachu 2.0 is an Evil Even?

What is the reasoning here? Sorry if it's been stated and I just missed it.

Sprityo was killed on an even night. The Evil Evens presumably kill on even nights.
Sprityo was in Pikachu at the time. Presumably only a player from Pikachu could have targeted him to perform this kill.

The remaining players from that tribe, excluding sprit himself are:
Me
Scotty
Spacedaisy
Epignosis
Kyle

I know it's not me and I am highly confident it's not daisy or epi. Scotty has felt like a strong civilian all game. Kyle has felt more faintly civilian.

[Scotty]

I'm also down to lynch INH if no one agrees with me on Sloonei

[Sloonei]

I'm also down to lynch INH if no one agrees with me on Sloonei

Which team is he on and what is the evidence?

[Scotty]

I'm also down to lynch INH if no one agrees with me on Sloonei

Which team is he on and what is the evidence?

strex. I laid out a case yesterday. Which got overshadowed by the fact that people wanted to lynch me instead.

[Epignosis]

I'm working on something, but it will take time.

[Sloonei]

Scotty's INH case.

There are points I like in here and it's definitely something that can kickstart a larger conversation. The hang up for me is that I'm not sure how actively Wilgy's teammates would have sought to save his cactus ass. INH was vocal in his opposite to the cases against Wilgy, but stood down when the votes were mounting, apparently so as to not actually obstruct the lynch.

I can see a civilian INH being indignant in support of wilgy. But I can also see a scum INH who is trying to draw suspicion away from his teammate.
I can see one of INH or cbob (or perhaps boomslang) being strex, but I don't think INH is partnered with them.

The next piece of homework for this case should be to look into INH/Marmot interactions. I'd do it myself but i'm heading out the door for work in a few minutes.

[Scotty]

INH/Marmot Interactions:

Day 5-

Hey everyone, sorry for the absence. I'm heading out of town for the weekend, so I've been getting ahead on work and other things.

Putting a vote on inh now, because frankly I shouldn't be lynched.

Turnabout is fair play.

Marmot aubergine

aaaaand that's it.

Let's put this in context. On Day 4, INH made a fancy rainbow list:

Screw it, I'll make my own super-cool rainbow list. What it lacks in visual flair, it makes up for in readability.

JoH
Marmot
Ninja
Boomslang
Sloonei
Lorab
DrWilgy
Kylemii
Scotty
Sig
Spacedaisy

Marmot was solid green, even though INH hadn't mentioned him at all.

When he voted for Marmot, he and Marmot were the only ones with votes. I think it was 2-2 each before INH put it on Marmot.

So this is all speculation, because they basically avoided each other except when they were trying to save themselves. Halfheartedly, mind you, because Day 5 is also the day that INH pushed a thought-out case against sig. Again, the timing of this could have just been because he had heat, but it could also be a reason to move his vote toward sig and away from Marmot entirely. A two-pronged reason.



I see definite possibility of a teamship

[nijuukyugou]

Obligatory “we’re at the beach and won’t be around much” post, because spring break finally. May check in some, but I didn’t bring my computer because beach.

[nijuukyugou]

*dips tentacles in water* *quickly retracts because holy shit so cold*

[Spacedaisy]

Can I bring up something I have been wondering about? We know Blooper had a 1 shot kill, but we have seen 3 day kills. Blooper was not in pikachu so who do we think killed nutella?

[sprityo]

sprityo too. Him saying he has a bastard role adds a possible win-win situation to lynching him.

[Scotty]

Can I bring up something I have been wondering about? We know Blooper had a 1 shot kill, but we have seen 3 day kills. Blooper was not in pikachu so who do we think killed nutella?

I’m betting it’s either you or Sloonei.

I think Sloonei has a potential to be a vig for sure.

[Spacedaisy]

Vig, wait you just built a case on him but you think he is a civ vig?

[Spacedaisy]

And if he killed nutella, then he can't be an Even...

[Spacedaisy]

Let me be clear, I didn't kill nutella. I wish I could take credit for that, but I'm not. But when considering who we think might be the last even in that group of people, one of them has to be cleared from the Evens because they killed Nutella.

[sprityo]

Can I bring up something I have been wondering about? We know Blooper had a 1 shot kill, but we have seen 3 day kills. Blooper was not in pikachu so who do we think killed nutella?

You’re assuming cbob’s first role isn’t what killed nutella?

[Spacedaisy]

I guess my point is, we may want to be a bit more careful than we originally thought and it might be worth seeing what each person was saying about nutella.

Linki: mm let me refresh myself on cbob's first role and I can answer this. Perhaps I am going in with only partial information, I don't know.

[sprityo]

I guess my point is, we may want to be a bit more careful than we originally thought and it might be worth seeing what each person was saying about nutella.

Linki: mm let me refresh myself on cbob's first role and I can answer this. Perhaps I am going in with only partial information, I don't know.

curse role:
last person that voted him had their vote reduced to zero

if they were on their second role they were given three challenges and if they failed any of them they die

[Spacedaisy]

Day 6 has ended. colonialbob has been lynched. He was:

13: Charlie Pace (Lost Again: Season 3). At the beginning of the game, it will be announced that you are Charlie Pace and that you will die at the end of day 6. In reality, this is not true. You are Charlie Pace, but your actual role is to curse the person who casts the final vote to lynch you or who nightkills you. If that person is in their 1st role, their vote will count zero and they will be unable to win while they remain in that role. If that person is in their 2nd role, they will be strapped to a bomb vest and will have to complete three tasks by day end to defuse the vest.

It is now night 6. It will last for 24 hours, meaning you have 22 hours to get your PMs in

NUTELLA WOKE UP STRAPPED TO A BOMB VEST

Today, Nutella will have to successfully complete three tasks. These tasks will not be easy. One of them won't even be objectively solveable and may require a little guesswork. Nevertheless, nutella must correctly complete all three to survive.

Each task will be posted in this thread at a present time during this day. Successful completion of each task will be one step towards fully defusing the bomb. Once all three tasks are successfully complete, the bomb will be defused.

All players in the thread may help nutella solve the tasks. However, each task is only officially complete when nutella PMs both hosts with an answer. Nutella only has one shot at completing each task - but a single incorrect answer, and the bomb will go off.

If you have any questions, you may ask them now.

Pretty sure nutella was the one affected by cbob's role.

[Scotty]

And if he killed nutella, then he can't be an Even...

That’s true. Unless the role isn’t a vig exactly. Like how sig only had a 33% chance to kill.

There’s just not a lot of info to know for sure until the role is revealed tho

[Spacedaisy]

But... Nutella died in the middle of Day 8? cbob was lynched on Day 6, so that would mean Nutella had all of Day 7 to try and defuse the bomb. If she failed why wouldn't she have been blown up at the end of Day 7, or even in the N7 post? Instead her death was announced in the middle of Day 8, in the same way all the other mysterious day death's have occurred. I am leaning towards this not being a result of cbob, but I could be wrong here I guess. Thoughts?

[sprityo]

But... Nutella died in the middle of Day 8? cbob was lynched on Day 6, so that would mean Nutella had all of Day 7 to try and defuse the bomb. If she failed why wouldn't she have been blown up at the end of Day 7, or even in the N7 post? Instead her death was announced in the middle of Day 8, in the same way all the other mysterious day death's have occurred. I am leaning towards this not being a result of cbob, but I could be wrong here I guess. Thoughts?

too many unknowns. i dont think nutella's deathpost indicated this being the work of the bomb, but still. im not ready to discount it.

[Scotty]

But... Nutella died in the middle of Day 8? cbob was lynched on Day 6, so that would mean Nutella had all of Day 7 to try and defuse the bomb. If she failed why wouldn't she have been blown up at the end of Day 7, or even in the N7 post? Instead her death was announced in the middle of Day 8, in the same way all the other mysterious day death's have occurred. I am leaning towards this not being a result of cbob, but I could be wrong here I guess. Thoughts?

Right now xbox and nijuu are the only known roles that could kill. How they kill, how many shots, how they targeted, when they kill, there’s a lot of variables there. I would expect an diametrically opposite role of nijuu’s out there somewhere

[Scotty]

But... Nutella died in the middle of Day 8? cbob was lynched on Day 6, so that would mean Nutella had all of Day 7 to try and defuse the bomb. If she failed why wouldn't she have been blown up at the end of Day 7, or even in the N7 post? Instead her death was announced in the middle of Day 8, in the same way all the other mysterious day death's have occurred. I am leaning towards this not being a result of cbob, but I could be wrong here I guess. Thoughts?

Right now xbox and nijuu are the only known roles that could kill. How they kill, how many shots, how they targeted, when they kill, there’s a lot of variables there. I would expect an diametrically opposite role of nijuu’s out there somewhere

Xbox is cbob.

I neglected to talk about Wilgy and sig in there, but sig’s role died before the deaths happened (THOUGH INH did die before then, so maybe that’s another one that could have killed INH, leaving nijuu to shoot LoRab).

Still doesn’t explain nutella, because as far as I know, she wasn’t marked for death with Wilgy’s 1st role

[sprityo]

perhaps we're getting too into possible night actions

this was the trouble in FireEmblem and look what happened to the town there

albeit we have a significant advantage than what they had

[Golden]

Golden's greatest hits:

5) Getting in to game design theory and creating some fun mafia roles and games like BSG that mess with everyone's minds.
4) Schooling JaggedJimmyJay (and everyone else) in Economics mafia, the performance that I will never top.
3) Being damn good at my job, and having others come to me because they know they are getting advice they can trust.
2) Somehow finding and marrying someone who is exactly what I need every day.
1) This guy:

[Golden]

One day I want to get a full player list according to scotty's autocorrect.

[Scotty]

One day I want to get a full player list according to scotty's autocorrect.

You be sweet, garden

[colonialbob]

perhaps we're getting too into possible night actions

this was the trouble in FireEmblem and look what happened to the town there

albeit we have a significant advantage than what they had

We also can't claim here which makes it much harder to game things out.

[colonialbob]

Vig, wait you just built a case on him but you think he is a civ vig?

[mention]Scotty[/mention] pls respond

[Scotty]

Vig, wait you just built a case on him but you think he is a civ vig?

@Scotty pls respond

hi

Sure, he could be.

I’m still voting for him because I have no way of knowing and it’s not as relevant to why I think he’s mafia

[Epignosis]

I'm halfway done.

[Epignosis]

Strexcorp:

Boomslang - If Strex kill on odd Nights, I don't believe he killed nijuukyugou on Night 1, and furthermore, Marmot gave him shit and when pressed by Marmot, Boomslang said he would vote for Wilgy, which he did, in addition to giving Wilgy shit about faking silencing or some such thing.

colonialbob - Regarding his first role, colonialbob didn't make more than a token effort to get people to refrain from voting for him, although I can't necessarily fault him for that, as kills move things along one way or the other, and of course pure, natural schadenfreude. However, colonialbob made several moves to defend Wilgy and turn the lynch against those calling for his head. The attempts occurred when there was a chance to save Wilgy (perhaps in hopes of a replacement), in contrast to INH's spirited defense, which occurred when there was little hope of turning the tide.

Dom - Dom made no mention of Marmot or Wilgy during his time in Cerberus (or Pikachu, but that's hardly relevant). The vote against Wilgy looked like one of resignation rather than conviction. None of this points to a Strexcorp affiliation, but there's nothing that rules Dom out either.

Dragon D. Luffy - Unfortunately for DDL, DrWilgy's ultimate role, Dhalsim, was 66, which is even, not odd, and so the fact that he is number 32 is irrelevant and cannot help his case.

insertnamehere - He adamantly tried to save DrWilgy even though there was no good reason for a civilian to do that. No civilian should want to go into an endgame scenario with an absent DrWilgy and lose because he was lynched then rather than earlier when it made the most sense, and it is unlikely either mafia was going to do the civilians the favor of removing him. His voting record is, from what I can observe, abysmal. None of INH's posts with regard to Marmot or Wilgy (or vice-versa) strike me as particularly compatible or incompatible.

Kylemii - Kylemii's interactions with Marmot and Wilgy don't smell fake, especially with regard to the former, more active one.

Lorab - This is a bit more complicated. I'm going to need spoiler tags.

Spoiler: show

Day 4: "So, not sure what I think about wilgy, but I don’t think he faked a silence."

Night 4: "I would have probably voted Wilgy, mainly because I still don't think Boomslang is bad."

Oof.

Boomslang
5
38%
Voters: Marmot, Scotty, Sloonei, DrWilgy, Kylemii

DrWilgy
4
31%
Voters: Boomslang, nijuukyugou, Spacedaisy, sig

You'll note that Boomslang was tied for the lynch, so a vote from Lorab at this point would have been important.

Weeeeee

unvote. Vote sig

If sig is silenced, he would have voted like Wilgy did to let us know.

That's a really good point. He's posted elsewhere, but that was starting before day started (and, actually, mostly during the night phase), so thinking that isn't his way of saying he isn't silenced.

Unvote and Vote: Sig

Wilgy was still alive, but Lorab thought it a great idea to vote sig when the opportunity presented itself. Note that there is no conviction on Wilgy.

Day 6: "I'm willing to entertain suspicion of wilgy or marmot--I need to reread those posts."

Day 8 " Wilgy has had a good deal of suspicion"

I want people to look at the context here especially. There is a lot of detail given in the descriptions of others, but "Wilgy has had a good deal of suspicion" says absolutely nothing about Wilgy. If Wilgy had such a degree of suspicion, Lorab should have been about to summarize it as she had for Boomslang , nijuukyugou, and sig.

Night 6: "I'm not against a Marmot vote. I find him hard to read personally, but trust the read that others have of his behavior."

Day 7: "I'm fine with an aubergine vote for Marmot. Not sure he'd be my top choice, but I get the suspicion and I think it's important for us to get a successful lynch."

Day 9: "Voting Wilgy so I don't forget another vote."

Day 10: "Voting Wilgy before I forget to vote tomorrow."

Day 11: "Aubergine is tasty. I am voting Wilgy."

The progression here is one of someone who wants to hold on to her teammates, but can't afford to keep them either.

Huge red Strexcorp-shaped flag.

nijuuyugou - Lovely lady.

Quin - Quin was recently killed, so I'll withhold judgment. I do believe the first role was a civilian role.

Scotty - Another spoiler. Hoo boy Scotty. Get ready for this shit.

Spoiler: show

Given my analysis on Lorab, I had to laugh at this:

Wilgy, I see your vote for LoRab. Care to elaborate? Or are you supposed to be silenced?

Also I just had a thought- what if we only share lynch results and not NKs? Aka the other tribe might also be down peeps too?

So Wilgy was silenced, or pretending to be silenced, and voted Lorab?

And I read the rest and I don't believe Scotty is a Strex guy. Judge for yourselves.

Sloonei - Sloonei delivered the elusive Marmot.

Spacedaisy - Spacedaisy went after Wilgy when it wasn't necessary. Perhaps she's on his team, but keeping Wilgy alive is actually quite easy since he rarely draws kills and people can be reluctant to lynch him because of his...je ne sais quoi

sprityo - sprityo died with one of the likeliest of civilian roles, and as of right now I do not see him as good or bad. There is a chance that DDL was a civilian in his first life and then became an Evil Even, but outside of leaving the possibility open, I'm ignoring it.

S~V~S - She pushed hard for Speedchuck when Wilgy should have been lynched, even after voting him the first time. She did not vote for Wilgy when he was actually lynched.

Evil Evens:

Boomgslang - I see no reason why Boomslang is not an Evil Even. When Long Con was doomed, Boomslang voiced support of a one-line "case."

colonialbob - If he were teammates with nutella during his first life, she would not have voted him Day 6, yet she did. There is a chance that colonialbob was a civilian in his first life and then became an Evil Even, but outside of leaving the possibility open, I'm ignoring it. That said, it wasn't like colonialbob's first role invited people to vote for him- people just did. And nutella, who was evil, was one such person. Might there be two evildoers who found it convenient to park a vote on Charlie to skate through Day 6? Doubtful, I think, unless DH was bad, and I don't believe he was.

Dom - Dom's was the initial query that brought about the destruction of Long Con. Nobody else raised that question, and it didn't look like anybody was going to do so, and LC could've easily given more plausible answers than what he did.

Dragon D. Luffy - I have a hard time believing he's an Evil Even, based on his first role. There is a chance that DDL was a civilian in his first life and then became an Evil Even, but outside of leaving the possibility open, I'm ignoring it.

insertnamehere - There is nothing at all that precludes INH from being a teammate of nutella's or LC's, although most of that is owing to the fact that he was on Cerberus the whole time. And somebody has to be on that side to have been submitting even kills against them.

Kylemii - Kylemii had nothing to say about nutella or Long Con in Pikachu. sprityo was killed on Night 8, an even Night in which Kylemii was present in Pikachu.

Lorab - There is no reason to believe Lorab isn't an Evil Even, except that she's Strexcorp.

nijuuyugou - Lovely lady.

Quin - Quin was recently killed, so I'll withhold judgment. I do believe the first role was a civilian role.

Scotty - The only reasons I can think of Scotty as being an Evil Even are circumstantial at best, but every once in a while, circumstantial is all right. While he looked all right to me when he ventured into Pikachu, his nutella treatment was a little too generous given the fact that she wasn't contributing.

Sloonei - Sloonei is compatible for the same reasons Scotty is.

Spacedaisy - Spacedaisy tried to tie nutella to nijuukyugou, which is evidently false, and I'm not entirely sure why she tried to write that narrative. It doesn't make sense.

sprityo - sprityo died with one of the likeliest of civilian roles, and as of right now I do not see him as good or bad. There is a chance that sprityo was a civilian in his first life and then became an Evil Even, but outside of leaving the possibility open, I'm ignoring it.

S~V~S - S~V~S' speculation regarding nutella's role and how she used it or didn't use it or what not strikes me as too loose and yet too determined to be an Evil Even.

[Epignosis]

If you agree with my assessment of the above, INH or Lorab are the best choices to lynch today, and my preference would be Lorab, potentially preventing the upcoming odd kill.

[Epignosis]

I post all this shit and everybody leaves.

[S~V~S]

Welcome to my life. Or after they say they think the same thing you do, they blithely change their mind with no explanation.

Good times.

[S~V~S]

This is the two people I trust the most.

But look, I aint out to appease you, or anyone else. Hell, I'm even dropping subtle doubts on basically the only guy that was defending me (Sloonster)

If that gets your vote tomorrow and reads as insincere, then what can I do

If I were mafia I'd kill you tonight, btw. Think of the juicy juicy WIFOM that would sludge my way- my biggest detractor dead and the group converging on me like a plastic bag drifting toward the Great Pacific Garbage Patch. I would be lynched on principle.

This was shady as shit. Now you can kill her or someone else will do it for you, either way your problem goes away. Nice target painting. And announcing what you would do as mafia is pointless for a civ, because no one will believe anything you say. For instance, you could be saying it so when it happens you can say "oh but why would I have told you right before I did it? I'm being set up obviously!" If it doesn't happen you can say, "Well yeah because I'm not mafia, if I were I would have killed SVS." This post makes no sense and is so gross man.

Cool, if my game here looks that similar to my game in Death Note then I must be doing a good job of keeping my baddie game and civ game relatively similar. Because this is 100% my civ game I'm bringing here. So that's kind of a compliment.

Her very next post.

I'm not sure if I still want to vote Scotty after last night or not. We'll see... I need time to process.

Then there's this.

can we lynch one of my suspects tomorrow please

who

Scotty would be nice.

Followed by:

We can move away from Scotty and Kyle for now if you want, Daisy. Any of the names you listed I'm at least interested in hearing about.

I really have no clue what to think. I feel I have a perspective that is different that that of most people, and it is being ignored. Which is OK. But people supporting you and then just changing their minds with no explanation makes me feel I have no place in this game. I will be around to vote, but I won't be getting up early to write ludicrous walls of text lol.

[Epignosis]

[VOTE: Lorab] aubergine

[Spacedaisy]

Uh Epi, I don't know what you mean about tying nutella to Blooper? Oh wait, are you talking about early on when nutella's first role was revealed? If so I only found it kind of odd that anyone's first thing they did was try to figure out who they are talking to, from what tribe or basically if they could trust them. So I found Blooper mildly suspect at first, and I later dismissed this when I read nutella's account and heard more from Blooper herself. So you can make it being about me tying her to nutella if you like, but it had nothing to do with nutella so much as I found Blooper's behavior odd.

[Spacedaisy]

SVS, I still feel like the best vote may be for Scotty, but I am not as certain as I was before. So you'll have to forgive me if I am not as gung ho as I was before day break. Also, I have to vote the same way as Quin and I want to be sure we are both comfortable with whatever vote we cast. I'm sorry I'm confusing you. If I seem a bit all over the place it's because of hit the hardest part of the game for me. I play harder but I also tend to overthink and second guess myself.

[Spacedaisy]

Epi, if INH were bad but on a different team than Wilgy, it would have benefited him more to let Wilgy get lynched than to defend him so heavily. I doubt INH is an Even.

[colonialbob]

Vig, wait you just built a case on him but you think he is a civ vig?

Scotty pls respond

hi

Sure, he could be.

I’m still voting for him because I have no way of knowing and it’s not as relevant to why I think he’s mafia

But if you think he's mafia why do you also think he's one of two options to be a vig?

[Epignosis]

Uh Epi, I don't know what you mean about tying nutella to Blooper? Oh wait, are you talking about early on when nutella's first role was revealed? If so I only found it kind of odd that anyone's first thing they did was try to figure out who they are talking to, from what tribe or basically if they could trust them. So I found Blooper mildly suspect at first, and I later dismissed this when I read nutella's account and heard more from Blooper herself. So you can make it being about me tying her to nutella if you like, but it had nothing to do with nutella so much as I found Blooper's behavior odd.

On what grounds should I rule you out of being on the Evil Evens squad?

[Spacedaisy]

Uh Epi, I don't know what you mean about tying nutella to Blooper? Oh wait, are you talking about early on when nutella's first role was revealed? If so I only found it kind of odd that anyone's first thing they did was try to figure out who they are talking to, from what tribe or basically if they could trust them. So I found Blooper mildly suspect at first, and I later dismissed this when I read nutella's account and heard more from Blooper herself. So you can make it being about me tying her to nutella if you like, but it had nothing to do with nutella so much as I found Blooper's behavior odd.

EBWOP: This was kind of unclear, I mean that I found it odd that the first thing she did in the thread was not to try and sort out who she was talking to or at the very least what tribe they were in. Because if I were in the position where I had anonymous BTSC I would be trying to see what information I could learn from it. But when nutella was revealed as he former BTSC partner, Blooper acted totally surprised she was talking to someone from the other tribe. That was all that pinged me, and clearly it wasn't even enough to vote for her in the end.

linki @cbob: I agree with your line of thinking here cbob, it surprised me when he said he could see Sloonei as a vig. Which means to me that he isn't as convinced his case is solid as he seems to be trying to make us believe. If I had it down to a couple people who I thought might be vig, I would be seriously cautious about killing either of them unless I was very convinced I was right. Also, I doubt Sloonei is a vig, because I would think we would have seen more kills than this if that were the case.

linki @Epi: I wish I had solid grounds to rule me out. I'm not sure that I have thus far done anything to prove I am not an Even. I'm not, and I hope that eventually I can confirm that for you, but for now there is no reason. I was confused by your interpretation of my actions with Blooper, I think you misinterpreted the situation. But I have no problem having some suspicion on me for now.