Re: The Lion King [Day 3]
Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2020 9:05 pm
(I really enjoy being able to write posts like this without double checking my wording to ensure that people will not accuse me of TMI-ing Lavender as town here.)
I do not think that Lavendar as mafia (as great of a player he is) tries this hard when and express frustration to such a level based off my many games with him in voice chat. Is this OGI again, Alison? If so I apologize. If I have to specifically address gameplay and logs, I don't see the Mp7 and michelle pair?Lavender wrote: ↑Sat Jul 18, 2020 9:02 pm call this all mafia tmi if u want, idrc. i feel absolutely great about these reads, so much so that i'm almost tempted to self-vote today since i'm fucking exhausted and it would be an easy way to draw more attention to the world i see. i'm not going to do this out of respect for my fellow players, and on the off-chance that cobbler-ted is not the third mafia -- i wouldn't want to waste our last misbanish. i will put mp7/michelle scum at 90% certainty, mp7 gf at 80%, and cobbler mafia at 70%
ah i'm sorry if thats hard to read, i don't have much time to stay active on the weekdays so its the best way for me to give out my reads
this is what i am talking about [mention]Lavender[/mention] , mp7 would know that it was a fake peek if she was mafia and gave a pretty good reaction.tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 4:36 pm hmm. okay i wont push it further
i retract. i dont have a mafia check on 1612 and i didnt check him. i ... kinda buy the reaction? looks solid. im gonna go ahead and treat this as a pseudo town check on 1612. i could be wrong, but i think he's either town or the godfather
im also lock towning mp7 for her effort in already ISOing stuff with the assumption that 1612 is mafia (like he could be godfather still, but maf!mp7 would know that im lying)
sorry for lying and sorry if i wasted ur effort. i thought it was worth the shot
my real peek is urist n1 town
Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 3:46 pmThe coloured is not constructive, doesn't add up anything in solving the discussion. Is a sentence constructed to fill space.Alison wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 3:38 pmNo intention-twisting here. The behavior wasn't suspicious, you knew it wasn't suspicious, and you said it was suspicious anyway. That, itself, is suspicious. :PMichelle wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 3:35 pmNo? I didn't try to say Tutuu is scum, i pointed out a behaviour who may be suspicious mentioning i can interpret it as harnless. Don't twist my intentions.Alison wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 3:33 pmIt doesn't really matter to me! The point is that your actions were trying to paint a picture of tutuu as scum, when this picture was not justified by the actions that tutuu had put forward. That's what I meant by "shade" - you're trying to say tutuu is scum, when the reasons that you have for doing so are suspicious.Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 2:00 pm I said clearly a Fos if you know what this means.
It would be a shade if the wording were not directed at Tutuu. Is clear for me you don't make or you don't want to make the distinction between shade and Fos.
Can you think at Fos as scum read? Don't you exaggerate here? Who is with the mental gymnastics here? I think is you![]()
Also the joke thingy, i said "I see it as a joke too" where too means a second possibility to interpret.
You say "acknowledges that it was a joke" and this is a misinterpretation of my words.
When you make a case, be sure you don't twist one's words please.
I will not loose my beauty sleep with this, good night
Michelle never addressed Alison again after reading and iso'ing her posts. She also voted up 2 confirmed prs and 1 green check which I am reading as non-godfather so not looking good
can u quote her exact reaction? i disagree that eagerness to look at isos is a reason to tr her. like, she concludes the check is obviously fake. what's the easiest way to pretend it's not? pretend it's real by acting excited about it1612 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 18, 2020 9:34 pmthis is what i am talking about @Lavender , mp7 would know that it was a fake peek if she was mafia and gave a pretty good reaction.tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 4:36 pm hmm. okay i wont push it further
i retract. i dont have a mafia check on 1612 and i didnt check him. i ... kinda buy the reaction? looks solid. im gonna go ahead and treat this as a pseudo town check on 1612. i could be wrong, but i think he's either town or the godfather
im also lock towning mp7 for her effort in already ISOing stuff with the assumption that 1612 is mafia (like he could be godfather still, but maf!mp7 would know that im lying)
sorry for lying and sorry if i wasted ur effort. i thought it was worth the shot
my real peek is urist n1 town
so @tutuu i guess the reaction test did do some work but yeah, pretty mean to do that to me when im new to forum and semi setups in general
anyways, i would say take that into consideration ,cause so far I don't see anything logical that points mp7 scum
like to me it's obvious that she would pretend it's real. it's nai at bestLavender wrote: ↑Sat Jul 18, 2020 9:59 pmcan u quote her exact reaction? i disagree that eagerness to look at isos is a reason to tr her. like, she concludes the check is obviously fake. what's the easiest way to pretend it's not? pretend it's real by acting excited about it1612 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 18, 2020 9:34 pmthis is what i am talking about @Lavender , mp7 would know that it was a fake peek if she was mafia and gave a pretty good reaction.tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 4:36 pm hmm. okay i wont push it further
i retract. i dont have a mafia check on 1612 and i didnt check him. i ... kinda buy the reaction? looks solid. im gonna go ahead and treat this as a pseudo town check on 1612. i could be wrong, but i think he's either town or the godfather
im also lock towning mp7 for her effort in already ISOing stuff with the assumption that 1612 is mafia (like he could be godfather still, but maf!mp7 would know that im lying)
sorry for lying and sorry if i wasted ur effort. i thought it was worth the shot
my real peek is urist n1 town
so @tutuu i guess the reaction test did do some work but yeah, pretty mean to do that to me when im new to forum and semi setups in general
anyways, i would say take that into consideration ,cause so far I don't see anything logical that points mp7 scum
here's the kicker: she says she is going to iso stuff and look for associations. i saw her doing that all the time when i iso'ed her. did she ever post justified conclusions she came to as a result of those isos?Lavender wrote: ↑Sat Jul 18, 2020 10:00 pmlike to me it's obvious that she would pretend it's real. it's nai at bestLavender wrote: ↑Sat Jul 18, 2020 9:59 pmcan u quote her exact reaction? i disagree that eagerness to look at isos is a reason to tr her. like, she concludes the check is obviously fake. what's the easiest way to pretend it's not? pretend it's real by acting excited about it1612 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 18, 2020 9:34 pmthis is what i am talking about @Lavender , mp7 would know that it was a fake peek if she was mafia and gave a pretty good reaction.tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 4:36 pm hmm. okay i wont push it further
i retract. i dont have a mafia check on 1612 and i didnt check him. i ... kinda buy the reaction? looks solid. im gonna go ahead and treat this as a pseudo town check on 1612. i could be wrong, but i think he's either town or the godfather
im also lock towning mp7 for her effort in already ISOing stuff with the assumption that 1612 is mafia (like he could be godfather still, but maf!mp7 would know that im lying)
sorry for lying and sorry if i wasted ur effort. i thought it was worth the shot
my real peek is urist n1 town
so @tutuu i guess the reaction test did do some work but yeah, pretty mean to do that to me when im new to forum and semi setups in general
anyways, i would say take that into consideration ,cause so far I don't see anything logical that points mp7 scum
like i know she posted reads at least twice, but was she ever even pressured to justify how those reads resulted from her research?Lavender wrote: ↑Sat Jul 18, 2020 10:02 pmhere's the kicker: she says she is going to iso stuff and look for associations. i saw her doing that all the time when i iso'ed her. did she ever post justified conclusions she came to as a result of those isos?Lavender wrote: ↑Sat Jul 18, 2020 10:00 pmlike to me it's obvious that she would pretend it's real. it's nai at bestLavender wrote: ↑Sat Jul 18, 2020 9:59 pmcan u quote her exact reaction? i disagree that eagerness to look at isos is a reason to tr her. like, she concludes the check is obviously fake. what's the easiest way to pretend it's not? pretend it's real by acting excited about it1612 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 18, 2020 9:34 pmthis is what i am talking about @Lavender , mp7 would know that it was a fake peek if she was mafia and gave a pretty good reaction.tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 4:36 pm hmm. okay i wont push it further
i retract. i dont have a mafia check on 1612 and i didnt check him. i ... kinda buy the reaction? looks solid. im gonna go ahead and treat this as a pseudo town check on 1612. i could be wrong, but i think he's either town or the godfather
im also lock towning mp7 for her effort in already ISOing stuff with the assumption that 1612 is mafia (like he could be godfather still, but maf!mp7 would know that im lying)
sorry for lying and sorry if i wasted ur effort. i thought it was worth the shot
my real peek is urist n1 town
so @tutuu i guess the reaction test did do some work but yeah, pretty mean to do that to me when im new to forum and semi setups in general
anyways, i would say take that into consideration ,cause so far I don't see anything logical that points mp7 scum
[mention]Michelle[/mention]Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Jul 18, 2020 11:55 amFTR this will not happen. I understand you have to push someone but no matter how many times you repeat it, me as mafia will not become reality.Lavender wrote: ↑Sat Jul 18, 2020 10:20 amfor the record, if this is the scum team then i'm putting mp7 as gf. if urist's "comfy n1 mafia" theory is true, and they all apparently knew tutuu was cop (lol), i think that they either expect tutuu to checkLavender wrote: ↑Sat Jul 18, 2020 3:28 amand the winner for the scum team who would feel the most comfy at that point in the game goes to...Urist wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 10:05 pm also just going to throw it out there that a) even if you know who the cop is, it's not always the correct play to kill them, and b) now that the cop is revealed it's easy enough to say "oh yeah i knew who it was".
my first thought when scirrus was killed was, "oh yeah this scum team must be feeling really comfy if they don't even bother hunting for the cop".
/tinfoil
mp7/michelle/cobbler
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1) urist (to sort out the d1 wagons) or
2) mp7, given that tutuu was asking urist for a scumcase on mp7 that night
i remember this post, what means the cyan coloured?Lavender wrote: ↑Sat Jul 18, 2020 10:27 ami was, as i explained in my analysis post after the nanook/lc banish:Alison wrote: ↑Sat Jul 18, 2020 3:44 amI don't think Lavender was around EOD.Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Jul 18, 2020 1:38 am If Ulrist's wagon has a mafia - assuming our read on Lavander is correct, then i agree Ulrist is most probably villager because otherwise Lavander would be on Nanook to save Ulrist and idk if so many would suspect him for the vote.
All wagons yday as villa wagons are not so hard to believe and in this case wolves felt secure. smh
Lavender wrote: ↑Thu Jul 16, 2020 10:39 am alright motherfuckers, since i'm locktown and am almost certainly the kill tonight, here's a few little brain thoughts. if i don't die, then the following impression and opinions are absolute dogshit and i deny that i ever had them
impressions of end of day (i've not caught up with anything since then):
final votes:
Long Con/nanook
6, 50% Voters: tutuu, protocultures, Scirrus, jeraldooo, Urist, 1612Michelle
Urist
6, 50% Voters: Lavender, Dyslexicon, NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, Michelle, M Plus 7, Alison
when i came back in the last 10 minutes before eod, i had my vote on proto and was expecting him to be banished, since he had had 4 votes on him when i last posted and that had been suggested by alison and others (side question: who all was on proto at that point?). instead there was a split on nanook and urist, i think about 4 on each at the time. i watched the votes for a while and at one point there were 7 on urist and 4 on lc/nanook (i believe), and i was the only vote still on proto. notably, i think that tutuu was on urist at that point. only a few minutes later, it was 6 on lc/nanook and 5 on urist. that means 2 switched from urist to lc/nanook IN THE FINAL 10 MINUTES. i know tutuu was one of them, please correct me if i'm wrong. does anyone know the other (was it proto?)? so the first thing i'm going to look for is an explanation from tutuu about the switch. i guess she was townreading urist, so i'll be looking for why she was on urist in the first place
now i hadn't paid any attention to nanook since they replaced lc. i had sensed that lc was softing pr (made explicit by proto) and left it at that. now it's clear that many ppl did not feel that way. i'm not sure how the wagon on lc/nanook started, but it struck me as odd. i believe alison, the person wearing the jeans in whose pockets i most UNcomfortably reside, was one of the most vocal about this not being a good idea. absent other context i'm inclined to think mafia is in the lc/nanook votes
i'm still sus of proto, especially if he did indeed switch from urist to lc/nanook. even if he didn't, i seem to recall him sussing urist earlier d1, maybe even in his initial post of reads. so i'll be looking for an explanation for the final vote on on lc/nanook
i haven't paid very much attention to scirrus, dys, jeraldoo, 1612, or mp7, so i'll be looking for justifications for their votes. fwiw i'm only townreading mp7 by proxy, her playstyle and tone is oddest to me and i'm still getting used to it
i had another thought about dys but i forget what it was. i think it's that i stopped townreading them. but they voted urist so..hm
if urist is mafia, i would not be surprised at all if proto is
i'll post updated reads in couple of hours after i've had a chance to read thru everything
i really wish we had banished urist, we would have way more info now imo![]()
What info would give you Ulrist's elimination?
I take your push on Ulrist and the yellow coloured text as another proof of an wolfish mindset .
So you'll vote for lavender even if you don't think he's scum? If you had a dayvig right now who would you flip?1612 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 18, 2020 8:57 pmI am going to vote with confirmed at the end Urist, doesn't make sense to vote somewhere else lol
I have like an hour before I got to go again so this is my time slot. I also have a lot of free time tomorrow as well so I should be here for the most of D3 at least tomorrow
Going to head to bed soon, will be around for 5 hours before voting.Urist wrote: ↑Sat Jul 18, 2020 10:27 pmSo you'll vote for lavender even if you don't think he's scum? If you had a dayvig right now who would you flip?1612 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 18, 2020 8:57 pmI am going to vote with confirmed at the end Urist, doesn't make sense to vote somewhere else lol
I have like an hour before I got to go again so this is my time slot. I also have a lot of free time tomorrow as well so I should be here for the most of D3 at least tomorrow
That's not really how a team game works. Just because they're confirmed town doesn't mean they're going to be correct on everything.1612 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 18, 2020 10:47 pm Urist, maybe we have different ideas on game play but to me you should always vote with confirmed town even if you disagree with who you think is scum. like I will say this is not the vote and my opinion and hopefully Alison sees it or you convince me otherwise in your view because right now like I said, I don't agree with the quotes that are being brought up is scummy. I don't get what point you are making from this. Hbu, Are you confident in the Lavendar vote? If I was day vig and wanted to see a flip without considering we only have one misyeet because of odd numbers... well my answer to that question would be have you read any of my recent posts?
Okay I think we are on the same page, but basically I am not going to just vote someone since CONF town wants it. I will give my own thoughts cause that's team play. I will not however vote for someone else that confirmed town is not voting. It just doesn't do anything in the end result. I don't know maybe I am just not aggressive with my votes and I usually just end up voting with my town reads instead of asking people to follow.Urist wrote: ↑Sat Jul 18, 2020 10:49 pmThat's not really how a team game works. Just because they're confirmed town doesn't mean they're going to be correct on everything.1612 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 18, 2020 10:47 pm Urist, maybe we have different ideas on game play but to me you should always vote with confirmed town even if you disagree with who you think is scum. like I will say this is not the vote and my opinion and hopefully Alison sees it or you convince me otherwise in your view because right now like I said, I don't agree with the quotes that are being brought up is scummy. I don't get what point you are making from this. Hbu, Are you confident in the Lavendar vote? If I was day vig and wanted to see a flip without considering we only have one misyeet because of odd numbers... well my answer to that question would be have you read any of my recent posts?
I won't be placing a vote today unless absolutely necessary.
Gah fine, one more post. Certainly Michelle as of now since the flip would give me and everyone else a lot of info. I'd rather not vote either of those two today, doesn't seem like a good idea since I want to resolve the lavendar issue that Michelle and Alison are pushing way too strongly
Would rather not influence the game too much atm. I'm more interested in seeing whether a counterwagon to Lavender builds naturally, who it's on, etc.
Alison wrote: ↑Sat Jul 18, 2020 11:48 pm Lavender is unlikely to be wolf with either Michelle or Urist, but if Lavender flips wolf, 1612 is strongly implicated. This suggests that Lavender is the best exe, since a wolf flip helps sort Michelle and Urist, and helps catch his partner. On the other hand, a townflip would give a strong lead on Michelle, since I do not get the impression that Lavender/Michelle was V/V. This suggests that Lavender is both the likeliest to be wolf and also provides the highest information execute today.
You're a little off...speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 9:38 am Let's see if I get this from skimming
All power roles dead (except Godfather according to the matrix, which is useless atm)
Alison confirmed town by D0 peek
Dizzy and MP checked as town, could technically be godfather?
Juicy cop interactions through all N2.
Am I missing anything? And also why was LC the uncontested vote D1?
Geez, my skimming powers are rusty. Thanks.Urist wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 10:14 amYou're a little off...speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 9:38 am Let's see if I get this from skimming
All power roles dead (except Godfather according to the matrix, which is useless atm)
Alison confirmed town by D0 peek
Dizzy and MP checked as town, could technically be godfather?
Juicy cop interactions through all N2.
Am I missing anything? And also why was LC the uncontested vote D1?
LC / Nanook was tied with myself at 6 votes at eod d1.
Alison was n0'd, I'm n1 green. Dizzy and mp7 were not checked.
Do not my posts say that I am trying to convince Alison to swap the vote to Michelle because he is more town than Michelle? I am just saying that I am not going to try to split by lone voting someone else. why are you taking things out of context, I am very much trying to convince alison to reconsider her town read on michelle and the quotes that they are tunneling on
why did you reconsider it? You just dropped it by saying
i wanted to save Nanook, i read him villager. I think you misinterpret somehow maybe not intentionally the moment i unvoted Allison.1612 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 12:46 pmwhy did you reconsider it? You just dropped it by saying
"Alison time out"
and ended up voting another pr and Urist.
To alison it seems like that is a towny but no i disagree, its weird and you haven't explained why
actually you've been avoiding the question in general even though i asked like 3 times in my recent posts.
i feel like no one is listening to me because i am in poe and accused of being paired with Lavendar and alison is stuck on her vote because she is confirmed....
is this really the most productive use of our time? i feel like its kinda weird how much traction there is on lavendar when there are so many other logs that i think is town and people aren't considering. if anything, the logs they are pointing out are not logical at all. and people are now just really inactive on this day, like @Alison have you read my early post on why the highlighted phrases are not scummy at all? it had no wolf-mindset at alll like michelle, if anything it was pushing a world that can't exist and doesn't make sense at best
Nah, I think that was Alison who said that. And yeah, I actually disagree with her, cause MP isn't stupid lol. If she's scum, she would know to react as if the check was legit, if he knew it wasn't - or as you say s/s is possible. But I don't really think MP is scum. I don't even have a great reason for it, just a "dumb" one that I feel in my heart. Probably not what you want to hear.