The Syndicate

Posted: **Thu Mar 11, 2021 6:06 pm**

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 6:01 pm Actually, I don't really blame the "scum reads" on me, but I feel everyone should be able to tell how fucking insanely grasping at straws that is. There's a very very very clear line of reasoning why I'm always town here if anyone actually BOTHERS reading it and thinking it through. So if that is the best people can come up with now, then something is seriously fucked here.

I can give you at least 5 reasons, and I know you have an answer at anything i can say, but you would not be you, such a formidable player, without knowing how to reject suspicions on you
Idk if makes sense, is midnight

Posted: **Thu Mar 11, 2021 6:07 pm**

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 6:05 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 6:00 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 5:59 pm
Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 5:56 pm lol, i still think dizzy is town
I'm like fucking pissed and in disbelief this is even a question right now. Like for real. I wish I was in a position to have people kill me I'd be so up for that right now.

I don't like the idea of killing Hyena here. If they are scum I suck at reading people, but I really really don't think so.
Killing Syn is hardly a better option. Maybe. I will quickly catch up to his reaction to Hyena taking over for him. It's possible he did a fancy ass play, but to be honest, I feel there are far far more arguments for Syn is just town here.

If I'm lucky, Alison wins and I can say told you so.

I don't know what to do in this scenario. I really don't.
Why don't we just chop Alison? Why aren't we doing this?
It would get directed to dizzy, I think? @Michelle can you confirm?

This is Alisons claim

Posted: **Thu Mar 11, 2021 6:07 pm**

Hyena wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 6:04 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 6:01 pm Actually, I don't really blame the "scum reads" on me, but I feel everyone should be able to tell how fucking insanely grasping at straws that is. There's a very very very clear line of reasoning why I'm always town here if anyone actually BOTHERS reading it and thinking it through. So if that is the best people can come up with now, then something is seriously fucked here.
This is what I've been arguing the past two days I feel like. This is why I've been getting frustrated that people have been focusing on mechanics and why I tried to shake the game up last dayphase (or was it the one before that?) by making new towncores. We're going in circles talking about the same things.

I've been saying the same thing. Except I'm on top of the mech (reasonably) and I'm using it to confirm town. And some of it actually DOES confirm town. Which only makes it worse.

Posted: **Thu Mar 11, 2021 6:08 pm**

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 6:07 pm
Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 6:05 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 6:00 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 5:59 pm
Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 5:56 pm lol, i still think dizzy is town
I'm like fucking pissed and in disbelief this is even a question right now. Like for real. I wish I was in a position to have people kill me I'd be so up for that right now.

I don't like the idea of killing Hyena here. If they are scum I suck at reading people, but I really really don't think so.
Killing Syn is hardly a better option. Maybe. I will quickly catch up to his reaction to Hyena taking over for him. It's possible he did a fancy ass play, but to be honest, I feel there are far far more arguments for Syn is just town here.

If I'm lucky, Alison wins and I can say told you so.

I don't know what to do in this scenario. I really don't.
Why don't we just chop Alison? Why aren't we doing this?
It would get directed to dizzy, I think? @Michelle can you confirm?
This is Alisons claim

I meant using your chop power

Posted: **Thu Mar 11, 2021 6:08 pm**

I'm done today. I just don't have the energy for anything right now. Y'all do what you want.

Posted: **Thu Mar 11, 2021 6:09 pm**

whatever we do, get nutella in the btsc chat tbh

Posted: **Thu Mar 11, 2021 6:09 pm**

I didn't receive any answer at what is happening with my action on Alison if Alison have a redirect of votes on someone else
So idk if Dizzy lives if i target Alison

Posted: **Thu Mar 11, 2021 6:10 pm**

@Michelle I trust you, and won't get mad about whatever you choose to do. Do what you feel is best for us.

Posted: **Thu Mar 11, 2021 6:10 pm**

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 6:08 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 6:07 pm
Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 6:05 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 6:00 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 5:59 pm
Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 5:56 pm lol, i still think dizzy is town
I'm like fucking pissed and in disbelief this is even a question right now. Like for real. I wish I was in a position to have people kill me I'd be so up for that right now.

I don't like the idea of killing Hyena here. If they are scum I suck at reading people, but I really really don't think so.
Killing Syn is hardly a better option. Maybe. I will quickly catch up to his reaction to Hyena taking over for him. It's possible he did a fancy ass play, but to be honest, I feel there are far far more arguments for Syn is just town here.

If I'm lucky, Alison wins and I can say told you so.

I don't know what to do in this scenario. I really don't.
Why don't we just chop Alison? Why aren't we doing this?
It would get directed to dizzy, I think? @Michelle can you confirm?
This is Alisons claim
I meant using your chop power

I didn't deserve a confirmation

Posted: **Thu Mar 11, 2021 6:10 pm**

Hyena wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 6:10 pm @Michelle I trust you, and won't get mad about whatever you choose to do. Do what you feel is best for us.

Thanks

Posted: **Thu Mar 11, 2021 6:12 pm**

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 6:06 pmI can give you at least 5 reasons, and I know you have an answer at anything i can say, but you would not be you, such a formidable player, without knowing how to reject suspicions on you
Idk if makes sense, is midnight

But it's not like that. It's not like "playing good". It's basic facts of the game. I did protect Nutella, and then had the opportunity to clear Martin off of it (who was under attack by scum btw!!!!), that is a fact. That was on D3! Did I do that because I totally knew I'd be arguing this nonsense on D9??????? Or am I just town who protected an obvious town and used my knowledge to give town all the help they could get and have kept doing that in to today.

I'm not even that concerned about the "suspicion" on me (like, I don't even feel it's real).

It's worse that I don't know what to do.

God, I can never get to catch up

Posted: **Thu Mar 11, 2021 6:12 pm**

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 6:06 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 6:00 pmWhy don't we just chop Alison? Why aren't we doing this?
Because most town are apparently more invested in fulfilling Alison's wincon than their own. I have no idea why. I don't think putting your own wincon first is a "dick move"

If we chop Alison I will die too. That is a relief for me. If town can go on without a role blocker, then I'm ok.

(if we chop alison only you would die)

Posted: **Thu Mar 11, 2021 6:13 pm**

Dizzy town == town dizzy

Posted: **Thu Mar 11, 2021 6:15 pm**

and i don't think anyone's more invested in achieving alison's wincon than ours, i think it just happens to intersect.

most of our useful abilities right now come directly from alison, and if we yeet her 'just in case' that just leaves us without a late game tracker, roleblocker, etc.

and maybe that would be the right move, i don't know. maybe it's the only right move

Posted: **Thu Mar 11, 2021 6:16 pm**

I don't get this new plan.

I don't get why we're killing Hyena.

If we want to clear Syn through track, let's just clear Syn through track! THAT IS WHAT I'VE BEEN SAYING ALL ALONG.
He doesn't need Hyena's role to be tracked! He can just do no action, and then be tracked. And would be cleared if he doesn't move and there is a kill!!!!

Why is Syn good with this?

Posted: **Thu Mar 11, 2021 6:16 pm**

Wait, yesterday i wanted to use my action on Alison but she wasn't in the poll because LC used his action, he promised he will not use.
One night he forgot about the action.
The night when he targeted Ted the action's are not aligned.
I can target him, if you agree.
I can only do this for Alison and Dizzy, to avoid wither of them.

How this sounds?

Posted: **Thu Mar 11, 2021 6:17 pm**

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 6:16 pm Wait, yesterday i wanted to use my action on Alison but she wasn't in the poll because LC used his action, he promised he will not use.
One night he forgot about the action.
The night when he targeted Ted the action's are not aligned.
I can target him, if you agree.
I can only do this for Alison and Dizzy, to avoid wither of them.

How this sounds?

Huge risk. We lose our track.

Posted: **Thu Mar 11, 2021 6:19 pm**

Just do what syn orginally said then?

Posted: **Thu Mar 11, 2021 6:19 pm**

it's a situation where we've got a golden egg laying goose and we don't know for sure if the golden goose has a knife or if the goose is just chilling, all we know is there's a knife somewhere.

Posted: **Thu Mar 11, 2021 6:20 pm**

I'm not ready to make a decision myself. I really am not. I don't think Hyena should die. I think they are legit it trying to come up with a plan to clear Syn and didn't realise that mafia would be able to use a power and do the kill at the same time (though I thought this was pretty obvious)

I don't care for Syn's reaction to this and how he was so good with Hyena's plan when he had been sooooo adamant for Michelle to kill him before now.

So if I had to choose for someone to die, I'd choose Syn now. Based on what's happening right now.

But in fact, I'd probably chicken out and choose no yeet. And then hope that our track + block would do something for tomorrow.

@Michelle Whatever you choose, I won't blame you for anything.

Posted: **Thu Mar 11, 2021 6:20 pm**

Alison has a new bargainee in tutuu and will give me a thing about to a vote, i forgot what exactly so she may receive one more bargainee with me

Posted: **Thu Mar 11, 2021 6:22 pm**

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 6:17 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 6:16 pm Wait, yesterday i wanted to use my action on Alison but she wasn't in the poll because LC used his action, he promised he will not use.
One night he forgot about the action.
The night when he targeted Ted the action's are not aligned.
I can target him, if you agree.
I can only do this for Alison and Dizzy, to avoid wither of them.

How this sounds?
Huge risk. We lose our track.

Except he is scum

Posted: **Thu Mar 11, 2021 6:22 pm**

The reason I'm worried about Alison is that when you are a bargainee you are reminded how your power comes with a price. That price just being I can't use my action or yeet Alison the next day is not a huge price. Why would that be a price to pay if Alison is harmless anyway? Then so what? Oh no, I can't target the benign 3p! Bohooo what a price to pay for all these powers!

That doesn't make sense.

@Justplayingitcool What do you think of this?

Posted: **Thu Mar 11, 2021 6:23 pm**

At the end its only a game, i had fun, i hope u all had fun too

Posted: **Thu Mar 11, 2021 6:23 pm**

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 6:22 pmExcept he is scum

If he is, then that's golden. If he isn't then mafia can just target me and I won't be protected. If Long Con is chosen, I will block Syn if the game doesn't end. So you know if I die that I blocked Syn.

Posted: **Thu Mar 11, 2021 6:23 pm**

I would holster but Syn would cry :/

Posted: **Thu Mar 11, 2021 6:24 pm**

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 6:22 pm The reason I'm worried about Alison is that when you are a bargainee you are reminded how your power comes with a price. That price just being I can't use my action or yeet Alison the next day is not a huge price. Why would that be a price to pay if Alison is harmless anyway? Then so what? Oh no, I can't target the benign 3p! Bohooo what a price to pay for all these powers!

That doesn't make sense.

@Justplayingitcool What do you think of this?

It’s possible that it could be lynch bait? Would the mods make it purposefully ominous if alison was bad?

Posted: **Thu Mar 11, 2021 6:24 pm**

tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 6:23 pm At the end its only a game, i had fun, i hope u all had fun too

That's a scum claim, from scum who knows they win

Posted: **Thu Mar 11, 2021 6:25 pm**

tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 6:23 pm At the end its only a game, i had fun, i hope u all had fun too

Tutu, when we are warned that our power comes with a price, what do you think this price is?

That we can't target and vote benign 3p? Do you think that's all it means? Why would that be a problem for us or a price to pay? Do you follow?

Literally, I felt like I sold my soul when I accepted that bargain. Just feels like a burden now.

Posted: **Thu Mar 11, 2021 6:26 pm**

Everyone's cool with Syn dying? Really?

Posted: **Thu Mar 11, 2021 6:27 pm**

I want to sleep, us 00:27

Posted: **Thu Mar 11, 2021 6:27 pm**

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 6:24 pmIt’s possible that it could be lynch bait? Would the mods make it purposefully ominous if alison was bad?

Uhhhahh. I don't know. I don't know. Alison has good arguments too. But would they make it ominous if Alison is good? Why more likely one over the other?

I do not know.

I don't like how Syn so quickly jumped at the opportunity to have Hyena go before him. That is what I'm sitting with now.

Posted: **Thu Mar 11, 2021 6:27 pm**

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 6:26 pm Everyone's cool with Syn dying? Really?

Not really

I just dunno.

LC is a huge gamble as dizzy said

Posted: **Thu Mar 11, 2021 6:28 pm**

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 6:25 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 6:23 pm At the end its only a game, i had fun, i hope u all had fun too
Tutu, when we are warned that our power comes with a price, what do you think this price is?

That we can't target and vote benign 3p? Do you think that's all it means? Why would that be a problem for us or a price to pay? Do you follow?

Literally, I felt like I sold my soul when I accepted that bargain. Just feels like a burden now.

the price is implied to be just taking on votes or actions from alison unless she's lying

Posted: **Thu Mar 11, 2021 6:29 pm**

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 6:27 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 6:26 pm Everyone's cool with Syn dying? Really?
Not really

I just dunno.

LC is a huge gamble as dizzy said

he forgot to submit one night.
That's convenient

Posted: **Thu Mar 11, 2021 6:29 pm**

i gotta go do stuff, legacy reads in case i die:

you guys got this

have fun and do ur best

Posted: **Thu Mar 11, 2021 6:31 pm**

I'd even be ok with Tutu, but not an option. Jeez. It has come to this.

Posted: **Thu Mar 11, 2021 6:31 pm**

I'm fine with dying, I guess.

Michelle, it is your ability to use, you have the final say. I won't be upset with you, but, in serious honesty, if you take that hero shot then you will regret doing it. Please believe that.

Posted: **Thu Mar 11, 2021 6:32 pm**

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 6:27 pm
Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 6:24 pmIt’s possible that it could be lynch bait? Would the mods make it purposefully ominous if alison was bad?
Uhhhahh. I don't know. I don't know. Alison has good arguments too. But would they make it ominous if Alison is good? Why more likely one over the other?

I do not know.

I don't like how Syn so quickly jumped at the opportunity to have Hyena go before him. That is what I'm sitting with now.

if by jumped at the opportunity you mean "if everyone else agrees, sure," then yeah totally

Posted: **Thu Mar 11, 2021 6:32 pm**

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Syn wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 11:27 pm ok sure

I'm a universal backup for the chop. I can use whoever gets chopped's ability the same night. One-time use, cannot holster an ability for later. The wolf abilities being used the night after a wolf has died is pure coincidence: they were the chops, so those were the abilities I got to use. I can't use NKs.

So N1 I used Cat's silence on Sloonei. Reason: For the hell of it. Post rationalization was that I wanted to see what people would do with a silenced Sloonei, who has been an ultra-quick nightkill in every game I've seen and a huge town presence. Would people try to angle it for a chop? (Some people did, but nothing that pinged me as especially scummy.) TBH, I don't think this was useful in any way from a town perspective. Nobody else would have been a better choice, I don't think, but I guess I just don't see the utility of a silence for town. Or maybe I don't grok the gambit side of it. Complete wash. And I think I may have inadvertently encouraged Sloonei to just kick back and chill from that point on, which is a net negative for town if he's also town.

N2 I used Marmot's Tetris challenge on Master Radishes. I do not like Tetris. I hate it. I softed giving Radishes the challenge during D3 when he was saying that the wolves challenged him. "That's not very cash tetris of you" You can ISO this!

Here is why I thought I caught Radishes.

I didn't play my Tetris side. I didn't care about wanting his ability, whatever it is. But I did town-read Radishes after the Marmot flash wagon, and of the people who could gain a roleblock, not be suspicious, and not wake up dead to a NK, Radishes was up there. I thought it was a foregone conclusion that Nutella would be next, so I wasn't gonna challenge her. So I didn't play, meaning no matter how poorly Radishes did, he would win and get a roleblock for N3.

D3 ends and Jack gets chopped. He's a cop. I get his ability, I ask to make sure I know how it works, and I think to myself: Who can I cop-check that won't be the vig shot? Jack at the time flipped shouting that Tutuu had to go, so she was out. Made? Well, Tim really seemed interested in that, and I could see him being difficult, maybe. Well, hey, people are giving Nanook a hard time, so I'll pick him. Put that to bed. He dies. Okay, fine. What the hell is a Joe Pesci anyway?

Jack gets resurrected and he says he thought his ability was a delayed vig. I'm suspicious, but interested, because I targeted Nanook with his ability! But the host didn't say anything about anyone dying, so suss. Seems unlikely.

Then Radishes posts that he didn't get his block. He posts that he lost his match and now the wolves have his ability. A surprise to me, given that I never played, so even submitting a zero would've gotten him the win.

So pieces fall into place for me. Tutuu is still alive. I gave Radishes a block. Tim says his shot failed. And I remembered then that TSP claimed a kill ability that is dependent on picking the right person at night. And Nanook was a goon. Balance-wise, it makes sense that the target for a townie conditional kill would be someone that isn't essential to the wolves. Tie the goon, who can carry the kill but doesn't have any special powers, to this ability. The clouds part. The Simpsons theme starts to play. Lisa has figured it out. Radishes is a wolf who used his block on Tim to protect his teammate Tutuu, and TSP targeted Nanook and it was a hit. Through the power of coincidence, I've set up a one-two punch of guaranteed wolves.

Kylemii having stolen Tim's shot screws that whole thing up. My conclusion on Radish is dependent on the assumption that Tim was blocked; specifically, blocked by the block I gave Radishes. With Tim not blocked, I no longer have reason to think Radishes used it on him, and the rest kind of falls apart. I do think Radishes's response was... bad, and I do think Tutuu is scummy, but my confidence on this being mech-supported is shaky now. Radishes DID lie. That's objectively true. But townies lie all the time (fuck you tim). His response, to me, is scummy, but also understandable if Radishes is town, thinks I'm town and that we were vibing, and now suddenly I'm overly certain he's a catch.

So I don't know where to go from here. I mean, I might still be right, but not in a "lel just trust me, guys" way.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 11:39 pm I already had syn as town. That claim and the behavior precipitating it (RE: Radishes) all but confirms it.

But, like, after all that I was silenced by a fucking civilian.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 11:33 pm ... so I was silenced by a town power role?

i just don't think this is w/w

Posted: **Thu Mar 11, 2021 6:33 pm**

RNG wants Syn
Jusr saying

Posted: **Thu Mar 11, 2021 6:33 pm**

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 6:29 pm i gotta go do stuff, legacy reads in case i die:

you guys got this have fun and do ur best

You know, I feel this.

And I'm sorry if I'm being confusing/running in a circle, but that is exactly how I feel.

We may lose this in a surprising way. But we may be ok too.
Best case now is that there is one (1) mafia left and we can find them.
Worst case, Alison just wins now. Anticlimatic and a bit dumb, but also ok. 3p snags happen.
Weeeeird case is if there's two scum left. That would be confusing. The only pair that makes any sense for that for me is LC and Syn, but that is probably at less than 1 % chance in my head.

Posted: **Thu Mar 11, 2021 6:33 pm**

Id use michelles power on hyena YOLO

Posted: **Thu Mar 11, 2021 6:34 pm**

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 6:31 pm I'm fine with dying, I guess.

Michelle, it is your ability to use, you have the final say. I won't be upset with you, but, in serious honesty, if you take that hero shot then you will regret doing it. Please believe that.

Who's scum for you? Sorry if i asked already

Posted: **Thu Mar 11, 2021 6:34 pm**

Syn wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 6:32 pmif by jumped at the opportunity you mean "if everyone else agrees, sure," then yeah totally

Yes, that is what I meant. You did accept it. I don't know. That is fact.

If you're town and you're able to say I'm the most likely scum, you're no "better".

What are we even doing here?

Posted: **Thu Mar 11, 2021 6:35 pm**

i want to yeet tutuu.

has it really come to this

Posted: **Thu Mar 11, 2021 6:35 pm**

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 6:34 pm
Syn wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 6:32 pmif by jumped at the opportunity you mean "if everyone else agrees, sure," then yeah totally
Yes, that is what I meant. You did accept it. I don't know. That is fact.

If you're town and you're able to say I'm the most likely scum, you're no "better".

What are we even doing here?

where did I say you're most likely scum

you don't have to make things up to tinfoil me

Posted: **Thu Mar 11, 2021 6:36 pm**

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 6:35 pm i want to yeet tutuu.

has it really come to this

Mind meld and that is crazy.

And then people don't understand why I'm worried about the claimed non-town. When a double green checked player ends up being my biggest "suspect".

Posted: **Thu Mar 11, 2021 6:36 pm**

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 6:35 pm i want to yeet tutuu.

has it really come to this

Too bad u cant

Posted: **Thu Mar 11, 2021 6:36 pm**

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 6:35 pm i want to yeet tutuu.

has it really come to this

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