The Syndicate

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 16, 2018 4:48 pm As a reminder, items will be added to The Shop daily. If you don’t see something you like today you might tomorrow.

I think I might’ve missed something - ‘The Shop’...?

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 16, 2018 4:48 pm As a reminder, items will be added to The Shop daily. If you don’t see something you like today you might tomorrow.

I believe I saw a bullet-proof vest yesterday, and I fancied having one. Sad to see it's gone now. Do items cycle back around, or do you have new stuff in line?

Glorfindel wrote: ↑Thu Aug 16, 2018 4:52 pm

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 16, 2018 4:48 pm As a reminder, items will be added to The Shop daily. If you don’t see something you like today you might tomorrow.

I think I might’ve missed something - ‘The Shop’...?

See initial post on page one of the main thread

Ooh, with Luna, that gives us +7 attack the next time we get an attack mission.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Aug 16, 2018 4:56 pm Ooh, with Luna, that gives us +7 attack the next time we get an attack mission.

Aretha Franklin died...

Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Aug 16, 2018 4:52 pm

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 16, 2018 4:48 pm As a reminder, items will be added to The Shop daily. If you don’t see something you like today you might tomorrow.

I believe I saw a bullet-proof vest yesterday, and I fancied having one. Sad to see it's gone now. Do items cycle back around, or do you have new stuff in line?

Was that the nk protect?

I wanted that one too.

Golden wrote: ↑Thu Aug 16, 2018 5:05 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Aug 16, 2018 4:52 pm

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 16, 2018 4:48 pm As a reminder, items will be added to The Shop daily. If you don’t see something you like today you might tomorrow.

I believe I saw a bullet-proof vest yesterday, and I fancied having one. Sad to see it's gone now. Do items cycle back around, or do you have new stuff in line?

Was that the nk protect?

I wanted that one too.

Yeah, I don't know exactly what the item was, but it protected from night kill.

Btw as much as a do trust this group... we need to be careful about talking about buying items that can be easily circumvented if the mafia knows who has them.

Glorfindel wrote: ↑Thu Aug 16, 2018 5:02 pm Aretha Franklin died...

Yeah that’s truly a great right there.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 16, 2018 5:07 pm The Shop is all the items currently for sale, listens in the OP of the Day thread. New items are added daily.

Items don’t cycle, once purchased they are gone. New items will replace them.

Somebody out there is bullet proof. Cool. Hope they get targeted tonight.

Golden wrote: ↑Thu Aug 16, 2018 5:07 pm Btw as much as a do trust this group... we need to be careful about talking about buying items that can be easily circumvented if the mafia knows who has them.

Yeah, if I was buying an alignment check, I'd say nothing.

I'd say we should reveal items that help in mission, but keep silent about mafia-related items if possible

I don't currently have any items but will probably buy one tomorrow.

Thoughts on Epi, Nutella and Colin?

My guess is if TH wins his mission he put someone else on the block today. I bet it won’t be nova.

Nutella feels civ

Colin feels bad. SOmething about him feels opprtunistic.

Beats me on Epi. Low post Epi bothers me, but as always he is saying a bunch of stuff I agree with while also being sttuborn.

I'm pretty sure Nutella is town. Meta-wise she matches up almost exactly, without seeming forced.

Agree with DDL on Colin.

I have exactly the same view again on Nutella and Colin.

I get good vibes from epi. I think him nitpicking our specific posts and treating them as silver bullets is standard town epi... reminds me of, for instance, GoC.

Well that’s just FANTASTIC!

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sat Aug 18, 2018 11:52 pm It is now Night 4. Your Captain will not be receiving any job options because he chose not to choose a location to take the ship. the Bonnie Mae is sitting alone at the docks, her crew twiddling her thumbs. Have fun with that!

[mention]Spacedaisy[/mention] : So that means no money this round? And We’re ALL on the poll tomorrow?

Glorfindel wrote: ↑Sun Aug 19, 2018 12:04 am

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sat Aug 18, 2018 11:52 pm It is now Night 4. Your Captain will not be receiving any job options because he chose not to choose a location to take the ship. the Bonnie Mae is sitting alone at the docks, her crew twiddling her thumbs. Have fun with that!

@Spacedaisy : So that means no money this round? And We’re ALL on the poll tomorrow?

That is correct.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sun Aug 19, 2018 12:08 am

Glorfindel wrote: ↑Sun Aug 19, 2018 12:04 am

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sat Aug 18, 2018 11:52 pm It is now Night 4. Your Captain will not be receiving any job options because he chose not to choose a location to take the ship. the Bonnie Mae is sitting alone at the docks, her crew twiddling her thumbs. Have fun with that!

@Spacedaisy : So that means no money this round? And We’re ALL on the poll tomorrow?

That is correct.

Th
Is amounts to the grossest of incompetence and is grounds for dismissal. How does one mutiny here?

Glorfindel wrote: ↑Sun Aug 19, 2018 12:12 am

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sun Aug 19, 2018 12:08 am

Glorfindel wrote: ↑Sun Aug 19, 2018 12:04 am

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sat Aug 18, 2018 11:52 pm It is now Night 4. Your Captain will not be receiving any job options because he chose not to choose a location to take the ship. the Bonnie Mae is sitting alone at the docks, her crew twiddling her thumbs. Have fun with that!

@Spacedaisy : So that means no money this round? And We’re ALL on the poll tomorrow?

That is correct.

Th
Is amounts to the grossest of incompetence and is grounds for dismissal. How does one mutiny here?

if you wish to Mutiny, all you have to do is send a PM to me saying so. Once I receive PMs from a majority of the crew then the Captain is ousted and the first person I received a mutiny PM from takes his place.

The Captain will go on the poll with +1 to his vote count.

lol.

Well I suppose at least he didn't go visit Niska, as it seems to me that's what has been getting people killed.

Golden wrote: ↑Sun Aug 19, 2018 1:57 am lol.

Well I suppose at least he didn't go visit Niska, as it seems to me that's what has been getting people killed.

This is no laughing matter Cap...

Golden chucks a tantrum and gives up his ship telling Mac to take it.
Mac doesn't want to take it.
Golden insists.
Mac decides to take it so he can use the privilege to get bad guys lynched.
Mac returns to regularly scheduled scum hunting.
Spacedaisy off handedly tells Mac at the end of the day to send the ship somewhere while Mac is out at the shops.
Mac looks for the options but finds none. Goes back to shopping. Tells speedchuck to make a decision.
Day ends.
Ship goes nowhere.
Mutiny if you want I don't care. My interest in this game has taken a massive beaten by personal attacks.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sun Aug 19, 2018 12:17 am

Glorfindel wrote: ↑Sun Aug 19, 2018 12:12 am

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sun Aug 19, 2018 12:08 am

Glorfindel wrote: ↑Sun Aug 19, 2018 12:04 am

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sat Aug 18, 2018 11:52 pm It is now Night 4. Your Captain will not be receiving any job options because he chose not to choose a location to take the ship. the Bonnie Mae is sitting alone at the docks, her crew twiddling her thumbs. Have fun with that!

@Spacedaisy : So that means no money this round? And We’re ALL on the poll tomorrow?

That is correct.

Th
Is amounts to the grossest of incompetence and is grounds for dismissal. How does one mutiny here?

if you wish to Mutiny, all you have to do is send a PM to me saying so. Once I receive PMs from a majority of the crew then the Captain is ousted and the first person I received a mutiny PM from takes his place.

The Captain will go on the poll with +1 to his vote count.

Oh cool thanks for letting me know that was going to happen.

As far as I'm concerned having more lynch options on the poll is a good thing anyway. I was planning on putting Golden on the poll. Glorfindel and speedchuck won't get lynched anyway.

Glorfindel seems upset.

Here have some money.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Aug 19, 2018 2:09 am As far as I'm concerned having more lynch options on the poll is a good thing anyway. I was planning on putting Golden on the poll. Glorfindel and speedchuck won't get lynched anyway.

Why would you put someone you claim to townread on the poll who has a higher chance of being lynched, versus someone you townread who has a lower chance of being lynched?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Aug 19, 2018 2:07 amMy interest in this game has taken a massive beaten by personal attacks.

Such is the life of being captain.

I needed a break from the attacks, but I hear you entirely. Being captain is hard, people hold you to a completely different standard to what they'd hold you if they wouldn't, and trust me when I say that there is no decision you can make that will be right.

Golden wrote: ↑Sun Aug 19, 2018 2:50 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Aug 19, 2018 2:09 am As far as I'm concerned having more lynch options on the poll is a good thing anyway. I was planning on putting Golden on the poll. Glorfindel and speedchuck won't get lynched anyway.

Why would you put someone you claim to townread on the poll who has a higher chance of being lynched, versus someone you townread who has a lower chance of being lynched?

Because I could be wrong and it shouldn't up to me to decide? Also I have less of a town read on you than those two.

Golden wrote: ↑Sun Aug 19, 2018 2:57 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Aug 19, 2018 2:07 amMy interest in this game has taken a massive beaten by personal attacks.

Such is the life of being captain.

I needed a break from the attacks, but I hear you entirely. Being captain is hard, people hold you to a completely different standard to what they'd hold you if they wouldn't, and trust me when I say that there is no decision you can make that will be right.

The personal attacks were more as a result of trying to find bad guys in my usual way.

This is where we differ in our ethos as it pertains to selections.

Mac logic:

Put the player who is on the ship that you have the most doubt over on the poll so the town can discuss it.

Golden logic:

Put the player who is on the ship that is least likely to get lynched to preserve numbers so that you can win challenges and get items and shit.

My absolute perspective is that the ships games are the biggest risk to the town of winning the game. I have no interest in them.

"Don't empathise with me golden, it pisses me off" - MacDougall

Fair enough though. All I'm saying is, I feel the same way right now. But divesting myself of the captaincy has given me a new lease on things.

If you want to get your head back in the game, you could do worse than reading TH's iso. Here's a copy of what I posted back in the main thread.

Golden wrote:I'd really like it if we have a robust discussion about TH's behaviour and motives before day end, because here's what I see, and I'd like people to engage with it and tell me why I'm right or why I'm wrong:

Immediate and consistent defence of Nova once I linked the two (to the point where if I'm wrong about nova, and I'm beginning to think I could be, TH could be pocketing him)
The kind of mind that would like to mess with captain selection
His iso is full, but it isn't full of much (but admittedly I felt the same in Courage)

Then there is this in his iso which I only just found:

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sun Aug 12, 2018 6:37 pm Golden I like DDL too. I was about to drop sig like a baby orca for him

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Tue Aug 14, 2018 9:23 am I hope we see you on the poll again soon Luffy. Real soon.

What created that shift, TH? Nothing in your iso, that's for sure.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Aug 19, 2018 3:00 am My absolute perspective is that the ships games are the biggest risk to the town of winning the game. I have no interest in them.

My perspective is that they are the biggest asset the town has to prevent mafia manipulating the lynches.

Both are true at the same time. Depends on the captain.

Of course if the residents of this ship are more interested in fucking around with ship games to win cash and exchange for items than actually finding bad guys, then feel free to mutiny and take back the ship. The only part of this job I am interested in is what assists us in lynching Mafia.

If you want to find bad guys then don't mutiny. If we're still in this together tomorrow then you guys just decide where the ship goes, what missions to take up etc. and play the part of the game yourselves. I'm in this for the greater good.

I am aware that the items contain night abilities and such but frankly I don't think their value aligns with the level of distraction they bring.

Golden wrote: ↑Sun Aug 19, 2018 3:03 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Aug 19, 2018 3:00 am My absolute perspective is that the ships games are the biggest risk to the town of winning the game. I have no interest in them.

My perspective is that they are the biggest asset the town has to prevent mafia manipulating the lynches.

Both are true at the same time. Depends on the captain.

So you pilot the ship and I will captain it then.

I'll just veto or pass through the decisions the crew makes.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Aug 19, 2018 3:00 amGolden logic:

Put the player who is on the ship that is least likely to get lynched to preserve numbers so that you can win challenges and get items and shit.

That isn't my logic at all, anyway, and it's a pretty gross misrepresentation.

My logic is to keep people off the poll whoa re most likely to be mislynched and I already fucked it up once by the person I put on being immediately lynched and town. If I'd put glorfindel on, maybe we'd be one less mislynch down right now.

Golden wrote: ↑Sun Aug 19, 2018 3:03 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Aug 19, 2018 3:00 am My absolute perspective is that the ships games are the biggest risk to the town of winning the game. I have no interest in them.

My perspective is that they are the biggest asset the town has to prevent mafia manipulating the lynches.

Both are true at the same time. Depends on the captain.

The thing is that I don't think the scum have actually gotten any items. I've been on Serenity (where I believe 2 scum were/are) and we didn't get shit. I got the only item of value and bailed. INH and Enrique have nothing. I think Turnip Head's crew sans DDL is mostly town. I don't think that there is a huge risk of the scum being able to win the game by virtue of item usage. I do think there is a huge risk of the scum being able to win the game through continuously not being on the poll.

Golden wrote: ↑Sun Aug 19, 2018 3:05 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Aug 19, 2018 3:00 amGolden logic:

Put the player who is on the ship that is least likely to get lynched to preserve numbers so that you can win challenges and get items and shit.

That isn't my logic at all, anyway, and it's a pretty gross misrepresentation.

My logic is to keep people off the poll whoa re most likely to be mislynched and I already fucked it up once by the person I put on being immediately lynched and town. If I'd put glorfindel on, maybe we'd be one less mislynch down right now.

Marmot getting lynched was because Marmot didn't do enough to make himself look town. You should have put DDL on the poll but Marmot was your next best option. It wasn't your fault he was mislynched it was mostly DharmaHelper's fault for refusing to put Enrique or INH on the poll despite me begging him to.

Players are only at risk of being mislynched because they are at risk of being lynched. If the poll is only ever players nobody wants to lynch then how are we going to win?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Aug 19, 2018 3:07 am

Golden wrote: ↑Sun Aug 19, 2018 3:03 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Aug 19, 2018 3:00 am My absolute perspective is that the ships games are the biggest risk to the town of winning the game. I have no interest in them.

My perspective is that they are the biggest asset the town has to prevent mafia manipulating the lynches.

Both are true at the same time. Depends on the captain.

The thing is that I don't think the scum have actually gotten any items. I've been on Serenity (where I believe 2 scum were/are) and we didn't get shit. I got the only item of value and bailed. INH and Enrique have nothing. I think Turnip Head's crew sans DDL is mostly town. I don't think that there is a huge risk of the scum being able to win the game by virtue of item usage. I do think there is a huge risk of the scum being able to win the game through continuously not being on the poll.

And I think there's a huge risk that the scum wins because we let them mislynch people we could protect.

But then, I play the whole game based on trusting my instincts. I always have. And I know it's arrogant.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Aug 19, 2018 3:10 am Players are only at risk of being mislynched because they are at risk of being lynched. If the poll is only ever players nobody wants to lynch then how are we going to win?

There is this flaw... I admitted this at one point.

But so far, we have not had a situation where every crew has passed a test on one night, and the tests are so variable that I actually think it would be quite difficult to achieve. So I imagine everyone will be open at some point (as, indeed, they have been).