The Syndicate

Michelle wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 2:42 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 5:02 am I swear to God I'm going to ascend to Modhood just to modkill myself if another mothertrucker says aubergine one more time.

Maybe the next one to say it it's not a mothertrucker

Vivax wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 5:24 am

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 5:02 am I swear to God I'm going to ascend to Modhood just to modkill myself if another mothertrucker says aubergine one more time.

Are you flamboyantly declaring your intent to dastardly sacrifice yourself spectacularly ?

What happened to the last person that tried to feed you vegetable soup ?

I laughed

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 5:48 am

Elohcin wrote: ↑Sun Oct 23, 2022 10:21 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Oct 23, 2022 8:37 pm Right, so Sig is obviously mafia, right?

I would say it is something to consider.

I'm not a fan of changing votes. I like to take the day to interact and observe without being hasty.

Sig says votes are changeable. I don't see how he could have known this before voting. I can only find him sus right away as his hasty vote would most likely land on a civ.

Yeah if only there were a role that explicitly stated (hey look guys, adverb. I'm multitasking!) that votes were changeable.

Maybe Eloh missed that part, though. I guess if it were an indie role or a mafia role, and Eloh were a civ and had no reason to read up on the mafia/indie sides of things, that could be it.

But if that role were not an indie or mafia role, and Eloh were a mafia or an indie and would have reason to be more focused on that side of the board, I could see a world where Eloh might forgo reading up on the civ side of things.

Your explanation sounds complicated for me, do you have an AI conclusion? What do you think about Sloonei's post,

I proved the vote can be changed and I think that the push for Sig doesn't have a solid reason.

Which Sloonei post?

thellama73 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 2:40 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 2:34 pm

thellama73 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 2:18 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 2:08 pm Also, unrelated, but Michelle who hasn't solved yet is most likely a wolf.

Good point. Apollo Doctrine.

[VOTE: Michelle] aubergine

Have you played with Michelle before?

I don’t remember. Maybe.

I don't remember your username but maybe my memory is not so good

DrWigly, unrelated, i work all day on mondays, how is this AI?
Llama sheeping blindly is noted

Now i should continue my catch up

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Oct 23, 2022 8:37 pm Right, so Sig is obviously mafia, right?

This one

Michelle wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 2:48 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Oct 23, 2022 8:37 pm Right, so Sig is obviously mafia, right?

This one

I refused to take it seriously, which I suspect is the point.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 10:31 am Bea: *Lick*
G-Man: *Lick*

Why are you licking people?

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 12:02 pm

thellama73 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 10:21 am

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sun Oct 23, 2022 10:28 pm I have an idea of who the mafia is, but it's not who I'm voting at the moment. Though, the person I'm voting may also be mafia, who knows.

I do not like this post, nor do I like the vote for Bea. Mind you, I think voting for Bea in general is reasonable because people always tend to trust her, which makes her dangerous on the occasions when she is mafia, but Axey’s vote came without explanation and was a pile on after a (marginally) more justified vote.

Also, why would you not vote for who you think the mafia is?

I’ve learned to just disregard Axe in D1 because he does this as town, mafia, independent and axehole

Could you express more about this? What would you say is Axe’s basic meta?

fingersplints wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 2:42 pm [VOTE: Sloonei] aubergine

jokes, then grammar and adverb talk. It’s early but I have high expectations of a champ. I want to see where you’re at

I’m here.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 2:49 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 2:48 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Oct 23, 2022 8:37 pm Right, so Sig is obviously mafia, right?

This one

I refused to take it seriously, which I suspect is the point.

Correct.

I have read all the rules and flavor posts, but not all of the roles, for the record. Since I saw this as a topic of conversation RE: Elohcin. I don’t begrudge people for not having the full role list memorized.

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Oct 23, 2022 11:11 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Oct 23, 2022 11:07 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Oct 23, 2022 10:27 pm That being said, I actually think sig coming out and throwing caution to the wind with regards to his spelling and grammar is townie, if not reckless. Could be WIFOM, but that role is incredibly restrictive to my *vibe* which comes with autocorrect errors and incomplete sentences. So I get it.

The grammar police role is mafia. Making typos does not benefit town.

thanks professor.

I’m just not sure mafia sig comes out and brazenly exclaims what he does. I agree that if everyone talks in complete sentences like I am acutely aware you are doing, that role becomes useless.

It just sounds too robotic. And I, for one, am not a robot.

Though…I can’t prove that.

Were you aware that Pedantic Pink was mafia before I mentioned it, or did I teach you something new?

Golden wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 2:54 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 10:31 am Bea: *Lick*
G-Man: *Lick*

Why are you licking people?

This game has been thoroughly licked by DrWilgy.

New read.

Fingersplints: town

Golden wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 3:10 pm New read.

Fingersplints: town

Agreed.

Vivax wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 6:29 am We got two TRs on sig from Scotty, then Golden. I'd agree with them I think.

I wonder why Eloh didn't post more when confronted with two townreads that went against his considerations that sig could be mafia.
Eloh's explanation for sig sus reads a bit stretched too. Would be my early whiff for a start.

Judging from my perspective I don't consider others' reads except they are my town reads. Had Eloh said they town read Scotty and Golden? Because if not, why do you think they should post more and reconsider?

LoRab wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 8:23 am Popping in. I’ll be driving most of the day, and so I can do so safely, will not be posting and driving. But I will try to check in on stops.

Note well use adverb above, as well as in this sentence.

Looking forward for your input

Elohcin wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 8:49 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 1:31 am Votes should be expressed in the thread though, like this:
[VOTE: Vivax] aubergine

Let the little man whisper!

I will HAPPILY use an adverb, but it may take me a while to get used to the vote tag thing. Have patience.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 5:48 am

Elohcin wrote: ↑Sun Oct 23, 2022 10:21 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Oct 23, 2022 8:37 pm Right, so Sig is obviously mafia, right?

I would say it is something to consider.

I'm not a fan of changing votes. I like to take the day to interact and observe without being hasty.

Sig says votes are changeable. I don't see how he could have known this before voting. I can only find him sus right away as his hasty vote would most likely land on a civ.

Yeah if only there were a role that explicitly stated (hey look guys, adverb. I'm multitasking!) that votes were changeable.

Maybe Eloh missed that part, though. I guess if it were an indie role or a mafia role, and Eloh were a civ and had no reason to read up on the mafia/indie sides of things, that could be it.

But if that role were not an indie or mafia role, and Eloh were a mafia or an indie and would have reason to be more focused on that side of the board, I could see a world where Eloh might forgo reading up on the civ side of things.

So, rule number 5 says the "votes are changeable. MAYBE." Then, I did read the roles including Moveable Votes, but didn't understand it. I was looking at it like a RULE and not a ROLE, probably b/c I had been in the car all day traveling. But I just had a lightbulb moment looking back at it now after a good night's sleep! So, I definitely get it now.

I no longer suspect sig atm. We shall see what's to come.

I didn't ask for adverbs, I asked for voting using the vote bbcode in the thread for transparency

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 2:49 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 2:48 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Oct 23, 2022 8:37 pm Right, so Sig is obviously mafia, right?

This one

I refused to take it seriously, which I suspect is the point.

That post generated the whole discussion though

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 3:02 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 2:49 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 2:48 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Oct 23, 2022 8:37 pm Right, so Sig is obviously mafia, right?

This one

I refused to take it seriously, which I suspect is the point.

Correct.

I was about to ask!

Elohcin wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 12:52 pm [I imagine that day 1 mafia players act like one of the following:
a) pretty quiet (laying low)
b) kind-of silly/off-topic (distracting from gameplay), or
c) hard core readers (they obviously know who isn't a part of their own)

This is what I am looking for. So far I have my eye on Scotty for reasons of letter (b).

What does a Day 1 town player act like?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 3:04 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 2:54 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 10:31 am Bea: *Lick*
G-Man: *Lick*

Why are you licking people?

This game has been thoroughly licked by DrWilgy.

This is something new from him, isn't it?

An unserious post can generate serious discussion.

Such is the way of the universe.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 9:29 am Y'all should know to give me a little leeway before suspecting me, especially when I've been away for so many years. Did you forget that I only married into intelligence? Though I overthink and internalize everything IRL, I'm ultimately a doer and not a thinker. That is why Epi and I mesh so well together.

leeway
noun
1.
the amount of freedom to move or act that is available.

Do I understand coorect, you ask for a day 1 pass here?

I think Dharma and Wilgy are villagers
I liked Scotty asking about the reason of receiving a town read

I have mixed feelings about Eloh I think they can go either way




I am sorry if I make any gender mistake, for players I don't know I will use they but I would appreciate help here.eta infos would be great!

Also I wish to know everyone's time zone.
I live in East Europe and for me is 10:30 pm now

I tihnk there's a lot of noise re Eloh.

I do have a very slight mafia read from her vote and unvote on sig, which did have a bit of a 'better not be seen on voting someone townread' vibe to me.

But I don't think her not reading roles or being generally a little D1 'don't expect me to be up with the play' is AI, not for Elo and probably not for quite a few people. Feels like noise/the thin edge of the wedge do a late day wagon.

Golden wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 3:10 pm New read.

Fingersplints: town

Agreed.

@ Michelle

Judging from my perspective I don't consider others' reads except they are my town reads. Had Eloh said they town read Scotty and Golden? Because if not, why do you think they should post more and reconsider?

It left a bad impression that Eloh claimed to have found a reason to be sus on sig but went off when a few dropped opposite conclusions. Maybe I'm expecting too much from early pages but that would have made for a fine topic to ruffle some heads early on if I were them.

I am also getting a slight case of the willies from Eloh. Nothing I can put my finger on, but I feel like her posts more resemble her baddie game so far. Maybe it’s the defensiveness.

I also want to hear more from Quin. I usually expect more from him, and so far he has almost exclusively posted jokes.

Michelle wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 3:29 pm I think Dharma and Wilgy are villagers
I liked Scotty asking about the reason of receiving a town read

I have mixed feelings about Eloh I think they can go either way




I am sorry if I make any gender mistake, for players I don't know I will use they but I would appreciate help here.eta infos would be great!

Also I wish to know everyone's time zone.
I live in East Europe and for me is 10:30 pm now

US EST time. Currently 3:40pm

I am in New Zealand and the time is 8:42am

My sense is that the mafia is laying low right now. Kate has only two posts. Lorab has only three, although she also has a good excuse. Bea has no posts on Day 1 yet. I’ll be watching these players very closely.

Because not everyone votes in the thread I am usually saving the VCs from time to time, here is the VC in this moment.
Sorry for the format, it's from copy pasting the VC on phone.

21:xx here
Just realized we can change the subject of posts.

22 is quite close to the war lol

thellama73 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 3:44 pm My sense is that the mafia is laying low right now. Kate has only two posts. Lorab has only three, although she also has a good excuse. Bea has no posts on Day 1 yet. I’ll be watching these players very closely.

Is there a reason you skipped over dfaraday who only has 1?

Michelle wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 3:29 pm I think Dharma and Wilgy are villagers
I liked Scotty asking about the reason of receiving a town read

I have mixed feelings about Eloh I think they can go either way




I am sorry if I make any gender mistake, for players I don't know I will use they but I would appreciate help here.eta infos would be great!

Also I wish to know everyone's time zone.
I live in East Europe and for me is 10:30 pm now

I am a she in London (BST currently 8:49 but my waking hours are kind of irregular at the moment due to teething baby. Basically I just don’t sleep anymore)

My vote will not make Faraday post more ig

Michelle wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 3:51 pm My vote will not make Faraday post more ig

I definitely wouldn’t count on it.

Vivax wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 3:46 pm 21:xx here
Just realized we can change the subject of posts.

22 is quite close to the war lol

Yes, unfortunately, it's in the neighborhood....



Thanks for your answers everyone!

There would be nothing more ‘classic mafia’ than DF being D1 lynched for low posting.

fingersplints wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 3:47 pm

thellama73 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 3:44 pm My sense is that the mafia is laying low right now. Kate has only two posts. Lorab has only three, although she also has a good excuse. Bea has no posts on Day 1 yet. I’ll be watching these players very closely.

Is there a reason you skipped over dfaraday who only has 1?

Yes, a very good reason. The reason is that I hadn’t noticed it.
Thank you for pointing that out!

I also wanted to say I am not a fan of people vouching for Axey rather than letting him speak for himself, but I’m willing to let that go for the time being until I have more data.

To better answer to Michelle‘s previous question: I don‘t think it‘s that relevant what kind of read on Scotty and Golden Eloh had. I don‘t really see the validity in your argument that I‘d only care to challenge reads of my TRa.

But my priority is finding town for now until everyone has done a bit more.

I assume that players that seem to withhold info are either mafia or conscious about their role, generally speaking.

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 2:37 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 2:20 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 2:06 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 1:49 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 1:44 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 1:28 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 1:23 pm [VOTE: Elo] aubergine

But why tho

See my progression

Could you articulate your reasoning instead of putting the onus on me to do it for you?

Begrudgingly, sure, even though it’s only 20 posts back. I could probably flesh it out more.

It’s admittedly a pretty weak scumread, but the arguments that Elo had made agreeing with the suspicion of sig based on a mechanic that she hadn’t read, then recanting her suspicion upon learning said mechanic was rather safe. It wasn’t a slam dunk by any means. But then she reacts to my read of her with a long winded explanation that mafia will have certain qualities in D1. She lists them; then, she makes, in more or less words, an OMGUS on me using one of the bullet points “silly/off-topic (distracting from gameplay)” which is objectively a terrible statement. Sure, I’m perhaps silly as much as a pumpkin spice latte in spring, but you can still DRINK a pumpkin spice latte in spring I’m making gab, advancing gameplay. Am I not?

So you're voting for Eloh because she acted on a weak suspicion, backtracked on it nearly as soon as it was called out, and offered a "whatever sticks" explanation as to her actions?

Why is that not a slam dunk? Where is this hesitation and hedging coming from? Is she doing an OMGUS to you or are you doing an OMGUS to her?

It’s not a slam dunk because D1 reads are never slam dunks. I’m like the looney tunes when the monstars suck the power away. I need reveals to better get a sense for players.

This could very well just be a player personality that I’m reading too much into.

Though I wouldn’t call this hedging. I’m currently voting there

Maybe it's not a slam dunk bc he is scared to get it wrong. Or maybe it's not a slam dunk bc he is bad and just trying to make a semblance of a baddie read on someone to make it look like he is trying. This response looks very bad to me.

fingersplints wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 2:38 pm I don’t really like the whole Elo vs Scotty thing. I do feel like Elo was a little quick to jump on sig who is an easy target, but as someone who almost never thoroughly reads the rules, I can wholeheartedly understand missing something like that. And in most cases wouldn’t it be easier for a mafia Elo to just leave that mild suspicion of sig out there instead. Scotty’s suspicion also seems quick to jump on something little.
Maybe I’ll reread it after the kids are asleep

kidS! Yay! How many now and what ages?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 3:14 pm

Elohcin wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 12:52 pm [I imagine that day 1 mafia players act like one of the following:
a) pretty quiet (laying low)
b) kind-of silly/off-topic (distracting from gameplay), or
c) hard core readers (they obviously know who isn't a part of their own)

This is what I am looking for. So far I have my eye on Scotty for reasons of letter (b).

What does a Day 1 town player act like?

I think that civvie behavior on day 1 is more personalized than baddie behavior. For instance, if Blooper were here and she didn't make a single post on Day 1, I would not suspect her for it. But, if Pink were here and did not post on day 1, I think that would be something to keep an eye on. Unfortunately, there are three players here that I don't think I've ever played with, so they will probably escape a vote from me today unless something extreme happens.

Michelle wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 3:18 pm

Elohcin wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 9:29 am Y'all should know to give me a little leeway before suspecting me, especially when I've been away for so many years. Did you forget that I only married into intelligence? Though I overthink and internalize everything IRL, I'm ultimately a doer and not a thinker. That is why Epi and I mesh so well together.

leeway
noun
1.
the amount of freedom to move or act that is available.

Do I understand coorect, you ask for a day 1 pass here?

Yes, that is correct. I am smart enough to look up the word before I post it as well If you knew me, you would know that it is classic Eloh to say five words and be suspected right out of the gate.

I am she. And I am eastern standard. 3:54pm atm.

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@Golden I never voted sig at all, btw. just talked about him in the thread. I don't like movable votes at all and I think Llama explained my thoughts on it very well, so I won't repeat.
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Vivax wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 3:33 pm @ Michelle

Judging from my perspective I don't consider others' reads except they are my town reads. Had Eloh said they town read Scotty and Golden? Because if not, why do you think they should post more and reconsider?

It left a bad impression that Eloh claimed to have found a reason to be sus on sig but went off when a few dropped opposite conclusions. Maybe I'm expecting too much from early pages but that would have made for a fine topic to ruffle some heads early on if I were them.

This really isn't that difficult folks. I misinterpreted the roles and thought no one KNEW if votes were movable or not yet. Then, I reread the roles after getting some much needed sleep and wah-la, I understood it!

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@thellama73 I don't have a civ game, remember?
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Golden wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 3:54 pm There would be nothing more ‘classic mafia’ than DF being D1 lynched for low posting.

Hopefully they posts and we can make a read because lynching a low poster at random is a coin flip.

That serves me right for not rereading the thread, but it’s not the key fact in the vibe I got from the interaction.

Michelle wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 4:05 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 3:54 pm There would be nothing more ‘classic mafia’ than DF being D1 lynched for low posting.

Hopefully they posts and we can make a read because lynching a low poster at random is a coin flip.

I would say ‘at random’ excludes meta reads. Lynching a low posting DF on day 1 feels like worse odds than a coin flip to me.

Vivax wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 3:58 pm To better answer to Michelle‘s previous question: I don‘t think it‘s that relevant what kind of read on Scotty and Golden Eloh had. I don‘t really see the validity in your argument that I‘d only care to challenge reads of my TRa.

But my priority is finding town for now until everyone has done a bit more.

I assume that players that seem to withhold info are either mafia or conscious about their role, generally speaking.

Not challenge the reads, but consider them.
When I have a town read I can accept their read for someone else I don't have any read yet until I can make my own.

How many town reads do you have until now?

Voting for a Day 1 low-poster is a last resort option in the absence of “real” suspects.

Golden wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 4:08 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 4:05 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 3:54 pm There would be nothing more ‘classic mafia’ than DF being D1 lynched for low posting.

Hopefully they posts and we can make a read because lynching a low poster at random is a coin flip.

I would say ‘at random’ excludes meta reads. Lynching a low posting DF on day 1 feels like worse odds than a coin flip to me.

Pointing out that Finger showed inquisitiveness towards Llama (iirc) not mentioning DF while Golden is less concerned with putting the screws on DF.

Makes Golden look slightly too complacent maybe.
Fingersplints townier unless DF is mafia.

Maybe useful to go back to for pairings later.

Dharma, llama I think are town
weaker TR on Wilgy

Could be tempted to townbin scotty + axe, but will decide later. More chaotic and less calculated suggests town)

Elohcin wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 4:03 pm -----------------------------------
@thellama73 I don't have a civ game, remember?
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I remember every little thing as if it happened only yesterday. I was barely seventeen and I once killed a boy with a Fender guitar.

The fact that no one is trying to lynch me on Day One is very out of character for this site and is making me uneasy.

thellama73 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 2:09 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 1:27 pm That is some effective R o L e F I S h i N g

For anyone who misunderstood my intent.

I understand the concept of throwing out votes in movable-vote games to gauge reactions, but at the same time that can be a cop out way to excuse bad behavior. If you successfully start a wagon with your vote, you get what you want, but if it doesn't take you can just claim it was for role fishing and claim immunity from any criticism. Don't expect me not to evaluate you based on your behavior just because you claim it doesn't mean anything.

I have exactly 0 expectations.

We're not killing mafia today.