Re: Fortune of Lies [Day 3]
Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2021 12:58 pm
I can target him overnight i guess, but I would prefer to clear someone else. Not gonna say it because I guess Mac died because of the check

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I can target him overnight i guess, but I would prefer to clear someone else. Not gonna say it because I guess Mac died because of the check
I don't get the sense that Michelle cares about my alignment.alexa wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 12:58 pm Michelle, I feel like the way Scotty treated NAA with his claim would be weird if they were W/W
like, Scotty claiming that the VT claim was a lie, then NAA saying that was true but that his role would show up as VT, then Scotty saying that he thinks the information he received was a lie, etc
idk, i think he could be some kind of 3P but i don't really see the W/W stuff
Probably we have different image about what a thunderdome is, i don't take a mafia read as a thunderdomeNotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 12:58 pmYou wanted me dead before Scotty checks, it's not something that came up after.Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 12:53 pmColoured text is a lie, you were the one talking about thunderdome.NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 12:31 pmMy issue is that I've been town reading Michelle, it's just her stubborn push on me is really annoying, and my order of yeeting cop / investigative roles is Ruri - Michelle - Paopan - You... So I'm like, at a base I have a town read on Michelle. Michelle hasn't had any good reads this game and insists on this ridiculous push on me, and fails to really build much of a world view outside of that. I question Michelle's role in the context of the game.MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 12:02 pm naas counterpush on michelle looks weak and fabricated
i still stand by the fact that hes likely some kind of 3p
So after all of that I go, I don't have enough of a scum read to thunder-dome Michelle, which is what she wants... But at the same time, I probably have to drop my town read.
Tell me how any of this is unreasonable, please.
I just want your flip, I consider you are mafia based on your support for/from Scotty and early day 1 interactions.
You want me dead since the previous DP, how come you TR me?
That's another lie.
@everyone this is a wolf
If she did, she would just check me rather than pushing against the town consensus for days on end.NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 12:59 pmI don't get the sense that Michelle cares about my alignment.alexa wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 12:58 pm Michelle, I feel like the way Scotty treated NAA with his claim would be weird if they were W/W
like, Scotty claiming that the VT claim was a lie, then NAA saying that was true but that his role would show up as VT, then Scotty saying that he thinks the information he received was a lie, etc
idk, i think he could be some kind of 3P but i don't really see the W/W stuff
No one this game shares your read except for probable mafia Ruri.Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 1:01 pmProbably we have different image about what a thunderdome is, i don't take a mafia read as a thunderdomeNotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 12:58 pmYou wanted me dead before Scotty checks, it's not something that came up after.Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 12:53 pmColoured text is a lie, you were the one talking about thunderdome.NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 12:31 pmMy issue is that I've been town reading Michelle, it's just her stubborn push on me is really annoying, and my order of yeeting cop / investigative roles is Ruri - Michelle - Paopan - You... So I'm like, at a base I have a town read on Michelle. Michelle hasn't had any good reads this game and insists on this ridiculous push on me, and fails to really build much of a world view outside of that. I question Michelle's role in the context of the game.MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 12:02 pm naas counterpush on michelle looks weak and fabricated
i still stand by the fact that hes likely some kind of 3p
So after all of that I go, I don't have enough of a scum read to thunder-dome Michelle, which is what she wants... But at the same time, I probably have to drop my town read.
Tell me how any of this is unreasonable, please.
I just want your flip, I consider you are mafia based on your support for/from Scotty and early day 1 interactions.
You want me dead since the previous DP, how come you TR me?
That's another lie.
@everyone this is a wolf
ehh, i'm not sure i fully see this? as mafia i try to interact with as many towns as possible, because people townread those who interact with themMichelle wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 6:58 amScotty's early interactions are with NAA and Alexa.Spoiler: show
Alexa is confirmed town by my check, so what's the reason for Scotty to interact that much with another townie? None, he have to distance from a partner, because that's the way mafia can win later in the game, right?
Some meta throwed itt to support a town read for NAA, who wasn't townie one bit, btw, and a suspish emoji as answer at a post, that's not a real intent to pocket a townie.
There is a difference in the way he talked to Alexa vs the way he talked to NAA. Psychologically, NAA was treated like a buddy.
MM, Mac and Falcon had all the name mistaken in the poll and Scotty was TRing all. Rule of 3 says one may be mafia, but the names weren't chosen by Scotty, so no
I reffuse paranoia on MM atm.
His focus on me since I started to suspect him is really odd.alexa wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 12:58 pm Michelle, I feel like the way Scotty treated NAA with his claim would be weird if they were W/W
like, Scotty claiming that the VT claim was a lie, then NAA saying that was true but that his role would show up as VT, then Scotty saying that he thinks the information he received was a lie, etc
idk, i think he could be some kind of 3P but i don't really see the W/W stuff
after Gav says this, NAA starts acting like Gav somehow modconfirmed/OGI'd Scotty as townNotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Nov 11, 2021 1:26 pmMod replying unprompted in the thread for the win. I have a strong tone read on Scotty.
You will actually find this as a trend in my games, if I see a mod respond to a player directly in thread, I always angleshoot them town.alexa wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 1:04 pmafter Gav says this, NAA starts acting like Gav somehow modconfirmed/OGI'd Scotty as townNotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Nov 11, 2021 1:26 pmMod replying unprompted in the thread for the win. I have a strong tone read on Scotty.
idk it didn't feel partnery to me
i supposeMichelle wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 1:03 pmHis focus on me since I started to suspect him is really odd.alexa wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 12:58 pm Michelle, I feel like the way Scotty treated NAA with his claim would be weird if they were W/W
like, Scotty claiming that the VT claim was a lie, then NAA saying that was true but that his role would show up as VT, then Scotty saying that he thinks the information he received was a lie, etc
idk, i think he could be some kind of 3P but i don't really see the W/W stuff
I think wolves have different means to play /distance /fake, not only the ones you know /use
I've been focused on the game and I've offered my thoughts on the optimal path forward / who I think is the mafia, the only time I'm focused on you is replying to these bad reads.Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 1:03 pmHis focus on me since I started to suspect him is really odd.alexa wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 12:58 pm Michelle, I feel like the way Scotty treated NAA with his claim would be weird if they were W/W
like, Scotty claiming that the VT claim was a lie, then NAA saying that was true but that his role would show up as VT, then Scotty saying that he thinks the information he received was a lie, etc
idk, i think he could be some kind of 3P but i don't really see the W/W stuff
I think wolves have different means to play /distance /fake, not only the ones you know /use
I don't prefflip players.NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 1:02 pmNo one this game shares your read except for probable mafia Ruri.Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 1:01 pmProbably we have different image about what a thunderdome is, i don't take a mafia read as a thunderdomeNotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 12:58 pmYou wanted me dead before Scotty checks, it's not something that came up after.Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 12:53 pmColoured text is a lie, you were the one talking about thunderdome.NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 12:31 pmMy issue is that I've been town reading Michelle, it's just her stubborn push on me is really annoying, and my order of yeeting cop / investigative roles is Ruri - Michelle - Paopan - You... So I'm like, at a base I have a town read on Michelle. Michelle hasn't had any good reads this game and insists on this ridiculous push on me, and fails to really build much of a world view outside of that. I question Michelle's role in the context of the game.MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 12:02 pm naas counterpush on michelle looks weak and fabricated
i still stand by the fact that hes likely some kind of 3p
So after all of that I go, I don't have enough of a scum read to thunder-dome Michelle, which is what she wants... But at the same time, I probably have to drop my town read.
Tell me how any of this is unreasonable, please.
I just want your flip, I consider you are mafia based on your support for/from Scotty and early day 1 interactions.
You want me dead since the previous DP, how come you TR me?
That's another lie.
@everyone this is a wolf![]()
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Big reputation, big reputationalexa wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 1:05 pmi supposeMichelle wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 1:03 pmHis focus on me since I started to suspect him is really odd.alexa wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 12:58 pm Michelle, I feel like the way Scotty treated NAA with his claim would be weird if they were W/W
like, Scotty claiming that the VT claim was a lie, then NAA saying that was true but that his role would show up as VT, then Scotty saying that he thinks the information he received was a lie, etc
idk, i think he could be some kind of 3P but i don't really see the W/W stuff
I think wolves have different means to play /distance /fake, not only the ones you know /use
i just know i heard a lot of things about NAA that make me think some of the reasons you suspect them are very much just playstyle
My bad, I thought you were a copMichelle wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 1:06 pmI don't prefflip players.NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 1:02 pmNo one this game shares your read except for probable mafia Ruri.Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 1:01 pmProbably we have different image about what a thunderdome is, i don't take a mafia read as a thunderdomeNotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 12:58 pmYou wanted me dead before Scotty checks, it's not something that came up after.Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 12:53 pmColoured text is a lie, you were the one talking about thunderdome.NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 12:31 pmMy issue is that I've been town reading Michelle, it's just her stubborn push on me is really annoying, and my order of yeeting cop / investigative roles is Ruri - Michelle - Paopan - You... So I'm like, at a base I have a town read on Michelle. Michelle hasn't had any good reads this game and insists on this ridiculous push on me, and fails to really build much of a world view outside of that. I question Michelle's role in the context of the game.MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 12:02 pm naas counterpush on michelle looks weak and fabricated
i still stand by the fact that hes likely some kind of 3p
So after all of that I go, I don't have enough of a scum read to thunder-dome Michelle, which is what she wants... But at the same time, I probably have to drop my town read.
Tell me how any of this is unreasonable, please.
I just want your flip, I consider you are mafia based on your support for/from Scotty and early day 1 interactions.
You want me dead since the previous DP, how come you TR me?
That's another lie.
@everyone this is a wolf![]()
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I don't know Ruri's alignament
She may be mafia and you just bus each other, but I need the flip to be sure.
Only mafia is sure about alignaments btw
I respect your opinion but I keep mine.alexa wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 1:04 pmafter Gav says this, NAA starts acting like Gav somehow modconfirmed/OGI'd Scotty as townNotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Nov 11, 2021 1:26 pmMod replying unprompted in the thread for the win. I have a strong tone read on Scotty.
idk it didn't feel partnery to me
I respect your opinion but I keep mine.alexa wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 1:04 pmafter Gav says this, NAA starts acting like Gav somehow modconfirmed/OGI'd Scotty as townNotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Nov 11, 2021 1:26 pmMod replying unprompted in the thread for the win. I have a strong tone read on Scotty.
idk it didn't feel partnery to me
he could, but i'm just seeing the wildness as NAI. i honestly personally felt like Scotty's treatment of him spewed him town (or 3P: not aligned with Scotty) and i'm generally decent with spewMichelle wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 1:08 pmI respect your opinion but I keep mine.alexa wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 1:04 pmafter Gav says this, NAA starts acting like Gav somehow modconfirmed/OGI'd Scotty as townNotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Nov 11, 2021 1:26 pmMod replying unprompted in the thread for the win. I have a strong tone read on Scotty.
idk it didn't feel partnery to me
If he plays in a way as town why don't replicate it when he rands scum?
I'm an easy read, you just don't got it.Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 1:09 pmI respect your opinion but I keep mine.alexa wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 1:04 pmafter Gav says this, NAA starts acting like Gav somehow modconfirmed/OGI'd Scotty as townNotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Nov 11, 2021 1:26 pmMod replying unprompted in the thread for the win. I have a strong tone read on Scotty.
idk it didn't feel partnery to me
If he plays in a way as town why don't replicate it when he rands scum?
is she a wolf or is she bad at reading you?NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 1:10 pmI'm an easy read, you just don't got it.Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 1:09 pmI respect your opinion but I keep mine.alexa wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 1:04 pmafter Gav says this, NAA starts acting like Gav somehow modconfirmed/OGI'd Scotty as townNotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Nov 11, 2021 1:26 pmMod replying unprompted in the thread for the win. I have a strong tone read on Scotty.
idk it didn't feel partnery to me
If he plays in a way as town why don't replicate it when he rands scum?
I don't know, my gut says she's town, but the push is like... Really really really getting excessive for a townie to ignore everything that's going on around them.alexa wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 1:12 pmis she a wolf or is she bad at reading you?NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 1:10 pmI'm an easy read, you just don't got it.Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 1:09 pmI respect your opinion but I keep mine.alexa wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 1:04 pmafter Gav says this, NAA starts acting like Gav somehow modconfirmed/OGI'd Scotty as townNotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Nov 11, 2021 1:26 pmMod replying unprompted in the thread for the win. I have a strong tone read on Scotty.
idk it didn't feel partnery to me
If he plays in a way as town why don't replicate it when he rands scum?
i like how this conveniently comes after i say that i have you as town from spew lolNotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 1:12 pm I have heard that for reading me, it's easiest to ignore everything I post and read me on spew because players usually are very opinionated about me, which they don't think to fake as mafia, or don't know how to fake as mafia.
I like to reinforce the important conclusions that other people come to.alexa wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 1:14 pmi like how this conveniently comes after i say that i have you as town from spew lolNotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 1:12 pm I have heard that for reading me, it's easiest to ignore everything I post and read me on spew because players usually are very opinionated about me, which they don't think to fake as mafia, or don't know how to fake as mafia.
what are you?
doesn't a jester win if yeeted?NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 1:18 pm Also, I'm not dying today, so a push today doesn't help my wincon.
Yes, but I'm not getting yeeted today.alexa wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 1:21 pmdoesn't a jester win if yeeted?NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 1:18 pm Also, I'm not dying today, so a push today doesn't help my wincon.
Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 7:03 am @alexa
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@MafiaMenace
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please read my last posts and give me your ideas
Everyone else can join and give inputs
Should I add NAA wants a thunderdome tomorrow? There is no way a townie can think like this, for town there is never a better moment than toDay, right now, asap, immediatly.
His mindset is one of a wolf who needs time to get rid of towniest people before such match
Idk there's not much to your last post tbh
Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 12:55 pmWhy can't those claims come from the mafia chat?Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 12:50 pmNotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 12:40 pm Also, @Marmot I don't like TWTBW reads because for me, I don't actually believe that I've done anything even remotely wolfy... Yeah, crazy anti-town at times, but no one is more anti-town than the town. I think TWTBW reads occur when people have a warped sense of what is alignment indicative.
I think that's the point of TWTBW, the actions of someone look so anti-town, that they probably are just a town player shooting themselves in the foot, which like you kinda say, happens all the time.
Also
Paopan choosing to lie-detect you claiming vanilla (when Gavial claimed there are no vanilla roles) and lie-detecting a dead player (falcon) do not strike me as coming from a mafiachat.
I didn't call you TWTBW though, why are you talking about you here?
Please expand on that
alexa wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 1:21 pmdoesn't a jester win if yeeted?NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 1:18 pm Also, I'm not dying today, so a push today doesn't help my wincon.
That 100% depends on which version of which Jester is used. Sometimes yes sometimes noMarmot wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 1:59 pmalexa wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 1:21 pmdoesn't a jester win if yeeted?NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 1:18 pm Also, I'm not dying today, so a push today doesn't help my wincon.
What I would like to know is: does everyone else lose if a jester is yeeted?