The Syndicate

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 8:49 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 8:43 am Colin you played mafia before RYM!?

Yeah at the Homestar Runner Wiki Forum when I was like 9 years old. Might’ve been better at it then tbh

Homestar Runner lol

tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 8:49 am So, hypothetically speaking, if I were to be a vigi, who should I shoot between

Tim / LC

id shoot tim

tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 8:48 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 8:45 am

tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 8:44 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 8:43 am

tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 8:42 am Yo Mac

Spoiler: show

If you’re wolf take me out N1 and if I’m wolf I’ll do the same alright?

Nah cuz I have you pocketed bitch

Say that to my odd night vig bitch

You wouldn't dare be responsible for miskilling me n1. You'd be so embarrased.

Please don’t test me

You do not have the balls, nor the cock to fire at MacDougall on n1.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 8:49 am So, hypothetically speaking, if I were to be a vigi, who should I shoot between

Tim / LC

Why those two?

This is more of a meme read but

Mac, LC literally needed to smoke upon the devil’s lettuce to even post in the thread

LC does not 10 post if he rands mafia. He loves being mafia. He checked his role PM, thought it sucked, saw a million posts then decided to give zero fucks.

I am here and intoxicated and demand satisfaction

Fine I'm leaving

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 8:02 am

Samusamu wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 7:55 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 1:35 am Juliets mafia is basically a lower volume version of her town self. She also isn't much of a bussed unless asked to be so she can be found by not having pushed flipped and consensus mafia teammates.

Okey, but this is inconclusive, how are u seeing juliets taking this into.account?

She is in her either alignment but she's siding with me and townreading me so it moves her into town read territory. The thing about me is that because my reads are usually rather accurate mafia are forced to compete directly with me rather than try to pocket me. On the odd occasion where I get pocketed, I tend to just lose to the slot tbh.

Are u saying she has been forced to townread u or u feel it natural?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 8:03 am

Samusamu wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 8:02 am

Hally wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 1:53 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 11:15 pm JPIC needs more votes

i don’t object to this but i also wanna kill nut

Prob i will sup a lynch of nut in this moment.

You just quoted the post that made me eyeball Hally btw. I just see that exact post archetype from scum often.

I sup nut lynch and try to bait some reactions but not this one.

Hally is still town for me.

I don't think she'd feel forced to townread me if she was mafia tbh. She might be inclined to but I think that her reasoning here is reasonable.

I feel like we should swap in and out of the ringleader role as is natural. It gives more perspective on the game and lets us just put whoever is most suited for interacting with a certain player or sorting a certain slot in front.

Colin's recent posts were good so he can be light town. Still don't trust him fully but I've been known to wrongly scumread him before so I'll suspend judgement on this slot.

I love that you took me seriously Alison. Let's try this.

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 8:08 am @Samusamu My read on juliets has increased in strength since I made that post. I am pretty sure she is town now. Mac, who I'm sure is town and who is familiar with juliets, is quite certain she is town, and the way she went about methodically trying to clarify everything she didn't understand and solve the game in a systemic way just bleeds town to me. Mac suggested that scum juliets tended to be a low-volume version of her town persona, which suggests that she has less energy as scum, but I'm seeing good energy in this game.

The way she just subbed into a scumread slot, went about collecting info on every player, created a really solid list of reads and then eliminates the unknowns one by one (inquiring into ted and nutella, etc.) is really townie. I don't think scum juliet in that position just goes along with the gamestate and lends full support to thread consensus reads - in that position she'd feel pressured to try to create some dissent in the town.

That suit better for me.

Why has sprityo vanished off the face of the earth

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 9:29 am Why has sprityo vanished off the face of the earth

omerta too

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 8:12 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 8:10 am You're seeing a Juliets that is squarely in her scum range if you're trying to make an energy read. But she should be forgiven a bit for having to sub in. The best way to read her in this game is going to be if her reads and pushes are reasonable. Juliets is rarely an endgame player. As town she clears herself in the midgame and will catch kills either before that or because of that. As mafia she becomes POE clamped before endgame and doesn't have the forceful personality to post herself out of late game POE scenarios.

If we're reading juliets based on how reasonable/logical her reads and pushes are then I'm just going to locktown her right now because I don't think I've disagreed with a single word she's said ever since she's subbed him.

I'm curious to know what makes town juliets clear herself that scum juliets can't fake.

That is dangerous knowing metas isnt really difficult to think how a player would look other if the first is town and then pocketing by mafia who can anticipate how thar player prob would react.

Samusamu wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 8:13 am

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:07 am

Samusamu wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 10:47 pm I think i just said it, i cant see mac scumbuddy with the rest of my poe, so or he is deepwolf, really early to contemplate, or he is rogue, for me is simple to analize, but still antitown. Dont see plus inconvenient pointing that.

If i were mafia i would never do a post like that, the way for a rogue to win is balancing forces between town and mafia, being read as a town and lynching mafia by day and killing towns at night the first few days.

I wouldn't be interested in pointing out a rogue reading, I'd rather leave him alone and let him take care of killing the strongest towns. But I try to go as an avocado.

Are u being that reactive cause did I specifically mention the word rogue or because of what you said in your post #803?

Okay fine Samu is town, Mac is right.

Pero respondeme!!!!

Me pone de los nervios cuando me hacen eso

Ups...

But answer me!!!

It gets on my nerves when someone do that to me

Samusamu wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 9:34 am

Samusamu wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 8:13 am

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:07 am

Samusamu wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 10:47 pm I think i just said it, i cant see mac scumbuddy with the rest of my poe, so or he is deepwolf, really early to contemplate, or he is rogue, for me is simple to analize, but still antitown. Dont see plus inconvenient pointing that.

If i were mafia i would never do a post like that, the way for a rogue to win is balancing forces between town and mafia, being read as a town and lynching mafia by day and killing towns at night the first few days.

I wouldn't be interested in pointing out a rogue reading, I'd rather leave him alone and let him take care of killing the strongest towns. But I try to go as an avocado.

Are u being that reactive cause did I specifically mention the word rogue or because of what you said in your post #803?

Okay fine Samu is town, Mac is right.

Pero respondeme!!!!

Me pone de los nervios cuando me hacen eso

Ups...

But answer me!!!

It gets on my nerves when someone do that to me

Okay fine Samu is town, Alison is right.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 8:35 am Vague arguments and town laziness would’ve been the last words I would’ve looked for when describing my town play

Vague arguments against you.

Town laziness in explaining why u are trying to do in your game aproach.

samu is that u on ur pic? are u a rower or how do u call it. person who rows on a canoe

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 8:42 am I have decided samu is mafia

Have you decided? What a curious way of saying it.

Well, talk to the gm and it's settled.

Ironically my job title irl is GM lol

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 8:45 am

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 8:43 am oddomerta actually kinda dropped off he was ridiculously obv town for me early d1 but yeah he kinda like what ... its like he got stunned or somethign. wouldnt bet the game on him being town anymore

Okay so here's the deal.

You're obvious town.

Alison is obvious town.

There are other people I think are maybe town but you two are just ridiculous.

Us three have now contributed to the point where like, people are likely just skimming our posts because they no longer need to solve us and are just either mafia going "reeeee" or town going ... well also "reeee".

So two of us should probably switch off and let one of us ringlead and the other two just provide moral support.

I am happy to do either role, but I think we need to give other people room now.

Interesting. I also realize that people are avoiding to talk with u 3 when u are the most talkatives ones. And that is a fact to use not to avoid.

Nobody is avoiding talking to us

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 9:38 am samu is that u on ur pic? are u a rower or how do u call it. person who rows on a canoe

Canoes are for canoeist, and yes i'm a rower and i use boats.

Also a physical therapist.

Furthermore i like using an avatar of me when playing, it feels confortable to see. I'v been using a bird cause a lost a bet in my community for a month and it was horrible at the beggining.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 9:48 am Nobody is avoiding talking to us

Debate or refute i mean

nutella - mafia role cop. each night u may investigate a person and learn their role but not their alignment
staypositivefriend - mafia poisoner. each night you may either poison or fake poison target player. they will die at the end of the following day unless healed
timsup2nothing - mafia universal backup. once during the game you may backup target dead mafia player's role. backup only as a night action
sprityo - mafia jailkeeper. once per night you may jailkeep target player. all killing actions against them will fail, and they will also be roleblocked.
drwilgy - mafia even night vig / 2-shot. once per even night you may kill target player, twice per game.
oddmerta - rogue. each night you may kill target player. you are immune to being night killed. your win condition is to be the last person left alive

Oh yes i cant find the post where someone say spirit has dissappear. Also dys dia and drwilgy.

Prob i can do a poe with that names in this moment in activity cause moral/mind status aproach to the game terms.

Uh oh.

Thats 24 more pages than when I last left off. I see Hazelnut is in the lead with votes. Do tell why?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 10:00 am Uh oh.

Thats 24 more pages than when I last left off. I see Hazelnut is in the lead with votes. Do tell why?

She likes French onion soup

Oh man I totally forgot I was gonna start measuring my reads this game

Oh well such is life we’ll start next game

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 5:59 pm Solid Town
tutuu
mac
tedxtr
sprityo
samusamu
poison

towny, some paranoia
Alison
DrWilgy
dyachei
Dizzy
Hally
Nanook
Tim
Oddmerta

Null
Colin
Long Con

Wafflin
Herm
Radish
spf

Slight scumlean
Jpic
FP-juliets


hm. I ended up putting more people in paranoia tier than I thought I would

[mention]nutella[/mention] talk about why you had those reads on dya, dizzy, nanook, tim and oddmerta

I don’t remember you talking about any of them prior to this

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 10:00 am Uh oh.

Thats 24 more pages than when I last left off. I see Hazelnut is in the lead with votes. Do tell why?

Irradiate scumness

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 10:02 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 10:00 am Uh oh.

Thats 24 more pages than when I last left off. I see Hazelnut is in the lead with votes. Do tell why?

She likes French onion soup

That's understandable.

Was wondering if it may have been because of her general detached tone I felt yesterday. The fluff wasn't very fluffy but still felt like fluff.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 10:00 am Uh oh.

Thats 24 more pages than when I last left off. I see Hazelnut is in the lead with votes. Do tell why?

Can u do a poe?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 10:02 am Oh man I totally forgot I was gonna start measuring my reads this game

Oh well such is life we’ll start next game

Nanook explain your strategy in this game plz

I have decided Samu is town

There is a chance nutella is mafia

Me being in lock town and not town paranoia reeks of the last time she was scum and wanted to pocket me

I hate pockets, get off me

This is the post where I declare that if I see anything remotely close to an attempt at pocketing me, you will...die a rather sophisticated way

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 10:07 am I have decided Samu is town

Late imo

Nah I was early but then had a reevaluate then a reevaluate shut up ted you jerk

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 10:07 am I have decided Samu is town

So you are going to kill me this night or you will let me alive?

Yeah until I get a clarification on how she managed to town read 4 people that she hasn’t spoken about at all, that wagon has my blessing

I’m gonna say Nutella is scum rn so that if she flips wolf I get some part of the pelt and if not I will quote the post saying I was town reading her and forgetting about this post completely

I'm sorry this post is so long, I have been catching up from overnight. I'll spoiler the first part which is my response to Ted.


Some miscellaneous thoughts from my catch up this morning (I lack about two pages catching up):

I believe Hally's read on dya is important if Hally is town, and I haven't seen anything that indicates she's not. Her read was: "i might be decent? they seem towny for them in particular just on vibe". Also dya indicates she is not a good Day 1 player - I empathize and don't want to vote her today.

Mac says later: "Coming around to dyachei being mafia here". [mention]MacDougall[/mention] you are someone in my top tier, can you talk to me about what you're seeing here? If you did and I just missed it just refer me to your ISO.

Mac on SPF: "3 votes on spf has me intrigued. I don't think I've seen a single post of hers that bothered me." I agree with this. Im having a hard time figuring out why people are scum reading her. Can anyone help me with that?

[mention]nutella[/mention] you quoted 3 posts by spf to respond to why you suspect her. You said they were "manufactured" reads I believe. Can you expand on that? One of the posts was a list of her reads - did they all strike you as manufactured? Can you be any more specific? My apologies if you did this somewhere and I didn't see it.

Mac post about JPIC: "He too lacks having made any effort to appear town. He would be doing a serious disservice to his team." One thing I just don't get about JPIC. He gave us two reads and that's it. He doesn't seem to be trying to solve. He voted himself. If he were wolf wouldn't he be trying to give reads, appear as trying to solve, not voting himself? If he's town wouldn't he be trying to give reads, appear to try to solve, not vote himself? I'm having trouble reconciling him. It's like he's not worried about being yeeted at all. I need to spend some time in his iso to sort him.

[mention]MacDougall[/mention]: "I'd probably turbo Juliets if I knew nut was town. If there's one person I'd trust to read Juliets it's her." Mac, remember that last game I played with nutella (I'll have to go find the name of it). She tunneled me mercilessly the entire game and finally convinced town to vote me. I was town. In addition, she was town. I think what she said about having trouble reading my tone was an honest take on her part.

SPF: "i do think that you're most likely town, so i'd ask you to keep an open mind and consider switching your vote so that i have more time to towntell & integrate myself into the game." I can't remember who she was talking to but this hit me as town and a fair thing to ask. I think we should give her time past today to do those things.

So, this morning I'm going to ISO nutella and JPIC since they and SPF are the wagons. (I've already decided I'm not voting SPF today unless there is something very damning from someone who reads her as wolf.) I have to take a little time right now to do some work but I will return late morning/early afternoon and also give you all a reads list.

Poison Chan wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 11:41 pm

sprityo wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 4:48 pm

Spoiler: show

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 8:43 am Okay, I'm convinced, sprit is scummy. I want you to tell me how that suddenly changed. I don't think we've ever played together for starters.

Specifically what persuaded me was the way sprit declined multiple opportunities to earn Mac's townread by saying "yeah I think Mac is scum for misreading me". Regardless of how accurate the meta tell is, I think town are generally a lot more likely to just be like "yeah, yeah, I'm town, here's what you want, now leave me alone so I can slank/solve/lead/whatever", whereas mafia tends to be naturally be inclined towards being more self-conscious and less likely to "blatantly" try to grab towncred because they're paranoid it looks bad or it could be a trap.This is hypothetical, what is normal means nothing and meta is a useless word to justify an agenda. What town cred am I trying to grab?

Naturally this doesn't apply if the scum player in question is good enough to do audacious things to get townread but sprit doesn't seem like a particularly audacious player so I'm just seeing this as scum. Audacious? hahahahAHAHAHA

Flimsy at best. Made even less solid given your sudden change in alignment. Then of course we got-

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 8:44 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 8:43 am Ok you're town

wow, this is your second bait and switch of the day

removing linki was a mistake

(I stand by my read though)

If your excuse would be youre just following mac and that now youre not because you've "developed your own opinion" it's still not enough to justify what youre trying to push. You couldnt go back either way after that big post because it would make you look bad. Yet you had to justify it with "i stand by my read though.

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 2:45 am [VOTE: JPIC] aubergine

I'm sheeping my towncore.

side note unrelated to me and all my glory- Tutuu just says JPIC and FallenPrince are mafia with no backup. You only pushed this (ever so slightly) later

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 8:51 am [???]
Colin
dyachei
Fallen Prince
Long Con
Samusamu

[Mafia]
JPIC
sprityo
tedxtr

If you're just sheeping tutuu for reads then why's FP up in "???" ? TL;DR is telling me: lazy town applying logic to something unsubstantiated....at best. Or you're scum and making these loud bold statements on purpose to look good. since textwalls = town right? (no it doesnt)

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 9:00 am Your "let's talk about JPIC" thing feels like an awkward attempt to redirect the subject to JPIC now (probably because JPIC is one of the people perceived to be scummier than you) that you've admitted there's actually nothing legitimate to talk about.

Also "Mac's reads are all wrong, Mac's case on JPIC is bullshit, but I'll go ahead and sheep Mac onto JPIC anyways" is super bad.

Also I don't think JPIC and sprityo can be wolf together now so I'm wrongly scumreading one of them.

Okay, here's something I will give you credit for. You're not wrong. I had just popped into thread, saw my name in Mac's mouth. Reacted. I was assuming something noteworthy had actually happened, but no it's day 1 where we all shout how ugly your christmas sweaters are and then you get locked in the closet for being not ugly enough. Second line is true, true, and true but why is it super bad? you just saying so doesnt make me believe anything. Finally a backpedal on the scum read just before. This post is really good at throwing shade and that's about it.

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 9:26 am

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 9:23 am

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 9:14 am Okay JPIC, here's the good news. I think sprit and you both look bad but I also don't think you can be wolves together and the way sprit tried to turn the subject to you when under pressure indicates that you're the town of that pair. Here's your chance to show me you're town. Tell me where your head is at with the gamestate atm. Do you feel optimistic about the mass of people all heavily townreading each other? Do you have any reads you feel strongly about?

/looking at powerwolfing article from thingy

*ahem*

Spirit is clearly a wolf. I see the wolves have no shame and once again are trying to get me mislynched like U-Pick. Disgraceful behaviour.

Do I feel optimistic about everyone townreading each other? Not really. My strongest townread is myself.

I feel like you're referencing something about that article but it's long and many parts of it could theoretically apply to this game so I'm going to need you to spell out what it is you mean exactly.

This post is good because Alison is trying to be "nice" to JPIC and win their trust so that she can bag more votes or at the least more negative attention to me. It makes her previous "IDK which is a wolf and which is town" even more odd. If she somehow changed her opinion of JPIC between her readwall and now why all the confusing text? If anything I think JPIC posted that article in reference to you or even mac because of how he was feeling
To summarize what I think about this post: There was no need for this post.

Two more posts just tunneling me in particular and then a bunch of non game relevant posts and then we get here:

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 12:44 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 12:39 pm i also don't really get what's going on with spirit and jpic? Maybe it's because I don't know their meta?

I really think the way sprityo attacked JPIC was super scummy and it's one of the major factors that would make JPIC trend up in my reads (I'm ambivalent about it atm because there are good reasons to scumread him too and he didn't really do anything when I tried to reach out to him and get him to show me his towniness).

It was like, sprityo gets pressured by Mac and questioned, and then he immediately redirects with "actually let's not talk about this, let's talk about your JPIC read, I thought that was interesting". And then when Mac challenges him to specify what he found interesting about the JPIC read, he flails for a bit and then lashes out at Mac ("everything you've said has been bollocks", "your case is only based on your own word" etc).

To me that reads as though sprityo is very uncomfortable with Mac's pressure and wants to divert attention to someone else he thinks Mac will scumread just as strongly, and perhaps even townread him for finding JPIC scummy. Could scum!sprityo bullshit some fake reason why the JPIC read was "interesting"? I don't know. But I do know that the two towny responses to pressure are either folding and just receding from the game (because you can't take it) or trying to argue/fight back and show why you're town/why the person pressuring you is misguided or scum. It isn't townie to just grab some random player that's widely scumread and try to use them as a human shield.

Which I've already quoted and talked about. This is the same post as above im saying is just shade throwing, only with more wording. This is more a direct attempt to get a single person to have a bad image of myself starting off. I'm sure any regular who's been in a game with Mac and I and we always have this rivalry goin on. I recognize mac is a good player, better than myself in my opinion. And mac recognizes i am a good player but a easy mislynch/lynch depending on what team we're respectively on. To which I will say yes, I am afraid of mac. Now you know. This isn't new so go figure that this post is NAI

Aaaaaand That's all I really have. Let's wrap it up outside the spoiler:

Alison has been making a lot of posts about past games, mechanics kind of? and of course pushing me and really only me. I saw something about Odd and ted here and there but really nothing to support her town reads or her two scum reads. I think Alison is trying to be a deepwolf with minimal effort to be honest. As for who could be her partners I could definitely but down JPIC, Mac, Tutuu, and Hally as potential partners.

-JPIC for how she suddenly scum read them, then didnt, then tried to help them not be scumread
-Mac couldve just been sheeped but there's also the possibility of "lol watch me get sprit mislynched, i've done it before. Just follow my lead"
-Tutuu and Hally are similar to mac, could just be buddy buddy with them and not actually partners.

Was this "you are scum for scum reading me"? sprityo

No, being voted for a tunneled relentlessly made me mad enough to check if there is a legit reasoning for doing so. Had there been something to go off of then I wouldn’t be so heated about this. If someone is going to come after me they had better be prepared.

I’d perhaps place juliets in the same bracket as Mac and Poison.

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 10:27 am I'm sorry this post is so long, I have been catching up from overnight. I'll spoiler the first part which is my response to Ted.

Spoiler: show

tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 8:07 am

juliets wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 4:40 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 6:51 am Ted is playing scummy on purpose apparently lol.

Because that's what town do on day 1 coming off multiple scum rands...

I need to take a short break. I'm up to this post and just wanted to make a quick comment. I didn't have as strong a reaction about ted being mafia until I got to this post and another like it that tutuu posted. It doesn't make sense to me that ted would want to post scummy on Day 1 coming off other games where he randed scum. I don't understand that, @tedxtr maybe you could explain. If you already did thats fine, I'll get to it soon.

And then do I understand correctly that you voted tutuu in part because she read you as scum after you admitted that you were playing scummy? Maybe I misunderstood or maybe you've already addressed this too, if so I'll get to it.

I'll be gone for a bit and then come back and pick up where I left off.

Why is it wolfy to post scummy?

Judging from your posturing here, nothing pinged you before I said that, so you didn’t even realise I was playing scummy. I think that’s a fair and safe assumption to make.

Soooo...Why did you think me saying I was posting scummy on purpose after 7 wolf rands is wolf indicative, if I was already a town for you?

My issue with it is why you would post scummy if you are town and coming off several games where you were scum? As I said, I just don't understand it, and without explanation it felt scummy to me.

Also, you describe my post as "posturing", behavior that is intended to impress or mislead. I was doing neither and your choice of word there is imo inflammatory. And to your point, you were not already town to me. What I said was "I didn't have as strong a reaction about ted being mafia until I got to this post". That means exactly what it says: I did not have a strong mafia read on you prior to the post, not that I was seeing you as lock town.

With all that said, I have seen you as townier since that post and would not vote for you today.

Some miscellaneous thoughts from my catch up this morning (I lack about two pages catching up):

I believe Hally's read on dya is important if Hally is town, and I haven't seen anything that indicates she's not. Her read was: "i might be decent? they seem towny for them in particular just on vibe". Also dya indicates she is not a good Day 1 player - I empathize and don't want to vote her today.

Mac says later: "Coming around to dyachei being mafia here". @MacDougall you are someone in my top tier, can you talk to me about what you're seeing here? If you did and I just missed it just refer me to your ISO.

Mac on SPF: "3 votes on spf has me intrigued. I don't think I've seen a single post of hers that bothered me." I agree with this. Im having a hard time figuring out why people are scum reading her. Can anyone help me with that?

@nutella you quoted 3 posts by spf to respond to why you suspect her. You said they were "manufactured" reads I believe. Can you expand on that? One of the posts was a list of her reads - did they all strike you as manufactured? Can you be any more specific? My apologies if you did this somewhere and I didn't see it.

Mac post about JPIC: "He too lacks having made any effort to appear town. He would be doing a serious disservice to his team." One thing I just don't get about JPIC. He gave us two reads and that's it. He doesn't seem to be trying to solve. He voted himself. If he were wolf wouldn't he be trying to give reads, appear as trying to solve, not voting himself? If he's town wouldn't he be trying to give reads, appear to try to solve, not vote himself? I'm having trouble reconciling him. It's like he's not worried about being yeeted at all. I need to spend some time in his iso to sort him.

@MacDougall: "I'd probably turbo Juliets if I knew nut was town. If there's one person I'd trust to read Juliets it's her." Mac, remember that last game I played with nutella (I'll have to go find the name of it). She tunneled me mercilessly the entire game and finally convinced town to vote me. I was town. In addition, she was town. I think what she said about having trouble reading my tone was an honest take on her part.

SPF: "i do think that you're most likely town, so i'd ask you to keep an open mind and consider switching your vote so that i have more time to towntell & integrate myself into the game." I can't remember who she was talking to but this hit me as town and a fair thing to ask. I think we should give her time past today to do those things.

So, this morning I'm going to ISO nutella and JPIC since they and SPF are the wagons. (I've already decided I'm not voting SPF today unless there is something very damning from someone who reads her as wolf.) I have to take a little time right now to do some work but I will return late morning/early afternoon and also give you all a reads list.

Only for the structure u get credits.

Hasn't evolved via reading since I logged off yesterday, but here's my list after sleeping on it:

Feel good about Mac, Hally, and Ted

Feel bad about Tim, Alison, tutuu, Nook and Hazelnut.

I don't recall why I felt that way about Tim, but something was off.

Nook and Ali were in a strange bucket of (maybe TMI) from them, the counter argument being "TMI may not exist in this game as scum may be hunting the rogues."

Tutuu felt off and angling was weird.

I don't remember what red flagged me on Tim.

Hazelnut felt detached.

juliets continues to be town.

sprityo's beetlejuice is noted.

If nutella is scum what the hell are her buddies doing? Are they just leaving her to twist in the wind when there are viable counterwagons to push? I'm getting cold feet.