The Syndicate

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Mar 08, 2018 11:40 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Thu Mar 08, 2018 11:38 pm As much as I completely understand the reasons for the tensions in this phase, please all remember Jay is there for the vent when you're frustrated at how others are playing and try not to let it stray over the line.

Brother, I am ice cold, and we both know that Epi is probably the best equipped on the forum to "take it". We're all still little Fonzies here, right Ep?

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Mar 08, 2018 11:47 pm See, the reason why that is foolish is that you aren't considering that every Game of Champions before has had two baddie teams.

So, even if you think I'm bad, that doesn't mean that I am not trying to hunt baddies on the other team.

Therefore everything I say is not necessarily bullshit.

We'll discuss your logic again. Next time.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Mar 08, 2018 11:47 pm I already hate Epi and LC irredeemably there's nothing Jay could say that would lessen the sting.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Mar 08, 2018 11:52 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Mar 08, 2018 11:47 pm See, the reason why that is foolish is that you aren't considering that every Game of Champions before has had two baddie teams.

So, even if you think I'm bad, that doesn't mean that I am not trying to hunt baddies on the other team.

Therefore everything I say is not necessarily bullshit.

We'll discuss your logic again. Next time.

We'll discuss it once you're lynched.

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Mar 08, 2018 11:54 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Mar 08, 2018 11:47 pm I already hate Epi and LC irredeemably there's nothing Jay could say that would lessen the sting.

YOU said you'd give me a chance if I wanted to try and convince you. Then you said you want a hot case to be convinced. Then I gave you a legit slip from Dom, and still your vote just sits on me.

You have no honour.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Mar 08, 2018 11:58 pm I'm quite willing to consider that Long Con is good. I thought about it all day. I don't believe it. Sorry.

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Mar 08, 2018 11:54 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Mar 08, 2018 11:47 pm I already hate Epi and LC irredeemably there's nothing Jay could say that would lessen the sting.

YOU said you'd give me a chance if I wanted to try and convince you. Then you said you want a hot case to be convinced. Then I gave you a legit slip from Dom, and still your vote just sits on me.

You have no honour.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Mar 08, 2018 11:59 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Mar 08, 2018 11:58 pm I'm quite willing to consider that Long Con is good. I thought about it all day. I don't believe it. Sorry.

Apology accepted.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Mar 08, 2018 11:57 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Mar 08, 2018 11:54 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Mar 08, 2018 11:47 pm I already hate Epi and LC irredeemably there's nothing Jay could say that would lessen the sting.

YOU said you'd give me a chance if I wanted to try and convince you. Then you said you want a hot case to be convinced. Then I gave you a legit slip from Dom, and still your vote just sits on me.

You have no honour.

I tried to get people to see that you might be good all day today, no bites. I'd rather put my vote on you then waste it somewhere else. Hopefully after you get lynched and the dust settles the thread can move on.

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Mar 09, 2018 12:04 am

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Mar 08, 2018 11:59 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Mar 08, 2018 11:58 pm I'm quite willing to consider that Long Con is good. I thought about it all day. I don't believe it. Sorry.

Apology accepted.

Says you!

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Mar 08, 2018 11:57 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Mar 08, 2018 11:54 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Mar 08, 2018 11:47 pm I already hate Epi and LC irredeemably there's nothing Jay could say that would lessen the sting.

YOU said you'd give me a chance if I wanted to try and convince you. Then you said you want a hot case to be convinced. Then I gave you a legit slip from Dom, and still your vote just sits on me.

You have no honour.

I tried to get people to see that you might be good all day today, no bites. I'd rather put my vote on you then waste it somewhere else. Hopefully after you get lynched and the dust settles the thread can move on.

You will never be able to move on from my lynch. It will haunt you all through this game and into the next.

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Mar 08, 2018 11:29 pm
You are bad at logic. I'm not going to get into it with you again.

Dom wrote: ↑Fri Mar 09, 2018 12:50 am DH:

spends the day railing against me
spends the day defending lc
votes for lc

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Mar 08, 2018 3:02 pm If what's been discussed today had been discussed yesterday I would have lynched either Dom or SVS tbh.

Dom wrote: ↑Fri Mar 09, 2018 12:59 am

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Mar 08, 2018 3:02 pm If what's been discussed today had been discussed yesterday I would have lynched either Dom or SVS tbh.

ok

Dom wrote: ↑Fri Mar 09, 2018 12:49 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Mar 08, 2018 11:29 pm
You are bad at logic. I'm not going to get into it with you again.

Here's why your theory is bullshit.

You are taking the meaning of my sentence "I wouldn't be too surprised if the civs had a vote manipulator as well." to be:
"There is a vote manipulator who is a civ, in addition to LC"
Meaning that I am a baddie who knows LC... is the bad vote manipulator... but that would require me ot be on the same team as LC.. so I railroaded my teammate out of the blue and now he's trying to take me down and got one of the biggest civ reads of the thread (DH) on his side for it???

OR

"I wouldn't be too surprised if the civs had a vote manipulator as well."
means that "I think it makes sense for the civs to have a vote manipulator too, I think DDL might have been that person given your role stinks to high hell"

Y'all can make a choice. But the first one is just about the laziest no u I've ever seen.

Quin wrote: ↑Fri Mar 09, 2018 2:37 am No reason that LC couldn't have slipped, realised, and then told his scumbuddy Dom to bus him while LC pushes hard against him for that extra bit of civ credit.

Just one possibility of many.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Mar 08, 2018 3:22 pm I'm certain she means me even though I've explicitly stated I actively avoided making her upset because I care. But them's the brakes. Guess I'll always be an asshole. No wonder I don't play anymore games. Oh, I've made myself sad.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Mar 08, 2018 3:30 pm Damn it, I was going to suggest a screenshot of the exchange since Facebook messenger saves conversations. Except that LC could probably Photoshop that shit.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Mar 08, 2018 3:02 pm If what's been discussed today had been discussed yesterday I would have lynched either Dom or SVS tbh.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Mar 09, 2018 8:38 am

Spoiler: show

S~V~S wrote: ↑Fri Mar 09, 2018 7:01 am

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Mar 08, 2018 3:22 pm I'm certain she means me even though I've explicitly stated I actively avoided making her upset because I care. But them's the brakes. Guess I'll always be an asshole. No wonder I don't play anymore games. Oh, I've made myself sad.

Actually, I don't mean you. I don't know if that makes it better or worse for you but there it is.

I should not have said that, regardless, and my apologies to all for having said it. I was frustrated, and not having played for some time, I did not handle it as well as I could have, and I am sorry I said it and it will not happen again.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Mar 08, 2018 3:30 pm Damn it, I was going to suggest a screenshot of the exchange since Facebook messenger saves conversations. Except that LC could probably Photoshop that shit.

I did suggest it yesterday, the last post I made. Iwas reluctant for the reasons you are, too.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Mar 08, 2018 3:02 pm If what's been discussed today had been discussed yesterday I would have lynched either Dom or SVS tbh.

Why? Becasue I know the difference between "railroading" and "not allowing myself to be distracted by extraneous arguments"?

When someone who is a very good talker has their back against the wall, and the thing keeping them there is something hard to get around, they will seek any avenue to get around that thing. I know this becasue, Like LC, like you, I am also a good talker when my back is up against the wall, and when I am bad I want them to look at ANYTHING other than the big ugly truth bomb sitting in front of me. So as far as I am concerned it is a civvies job to not forget the main issue, whatever it is pinning that person to that wall. You can take the other stuff into account, since it might make a difference, but never forget that main issue.

This is part of the reason I get the "tunnelvision' thing all the time. But I think I have a well over than 50% success rate, so I will live with it.

In this case, LC's role may or may not be civ. Good arguments can be made for either side of that.

Dom may well be bad, and I am not going to defend him. The last two times I defended Dom, he was an SK. Not happening again, I love that boy, but no one fools me like Dom.

BUT neither of these points change the main reason I think LC is bad. His story is just unbelievable. I don't believe it. I don't want to bring down the wrath of Golden again, but for reasons, I don't think the scenario he brought to us is something that happened. It defies what I know of the people he says were involved.

And I kept bringing it up while he was weaving all of these other shiny webs of doubt to remind people of why we thought he was bad in the first place. If the arguments he had made addressed that, that would be one thing. But they were diversions that had no bearing on that basic thing. Dom might be bad, LCs role could be either a civ or a bad role. That doesn't mean the hosts told him on Facebook about game secrets, like the existence of tribes.

Do I believe his story? No. And does maybe Dom being bad or maybe LCs role could be civ make me believe it more? No. So I am going to keep pointing that out. Yup, Dom could be bad, and LCs role could work for a civ or a baddie, but you know, that Facebook story, that sounds like bullshit to me.

That is not railroading somebody, and I am disappoint that you seem to think that it is, to the point of posting giant red memes and implying I am bad for doing so.

Railroading, tunneling, call it what you want I don't really mind. You killed any skepticism of his innocence any time it was brought up.

If LC flips bad it won't clear Dom but it might clear you. If He flips civ, it means trouble for both you and Dom IMO, as far as my suspicion goes.

Quin wrote: ↑Fri Mar 09, 2018 2:37 am No reason that LC couldn't have slipped, realised, and then told his scumbuddy Dom to bus him while LC pushes hard against him for that extra bit of civ credit.

Just one possibility of many.

Dom wrote: ↑Fri Mar 09, 2018 12:49 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Mar 08, 2018 11:29 pm
You are bad at logic. I'm not going to get into it with you again.

Here's why your theory is bullshit.

You are taking the meaning of my sentence "I wouldn't be too surprised if the civs had a vote manipulator as well." to be:
"There is a vote manipulator who is a civ, in addition to LC"
Meaning that I am a baddie who knows LC... is the bad vote manipulator... but that would require me ot be on the same team as LC.. so I railroaded my teammate out of the blue and now he's trying to take me down and got one of the biggest civ reads of the thread (DH) on his side for it???

OR

"I wouldn't be too surprised if the civs had a vote manipulator as well."
means that "I think it makes sense for the civs to have a vote manipulator too, I think DDL might have been that person given your role stinks to high hell"

Y'all can make a choice. But the first one is just about the laziest no u I've ever seen.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Mar 09, 2018 8:38 am

Spoiler: show

S~V~S wrote: ↑Fri Mar 09, 2018 7:01 am

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Mar 08, 2018 3:22 pm I'm certain she means me even though I've explicitly stated I actively avoided making her upset because I care. But them's the brakes. Guess I'll always be an asshole. No wonder I don't play anymore games. Oh, I've made myself sad.

Actually, I don't mean you. I don't know if that makes it better or worse for you but there it is.

I should not have said that, regardless, and my apologies to all for having said it. I was frustrated, and not having played for some time, I did not handle it as well as I could have, and I am sorry I said it and it will not happen again.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Mar 08, 2018 3:30 pm Damn it, I was going to suggest a screenshot of the exchange since Facebook messenger saves conversations. Except that LC could probably Photoshop that shit.

I did suggest it yesterday, the last post I made. Iwas reluctant for the reasons you are, too.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Mar 08, 2018 3:02 pm If what's been discussed today had been discussed yesterday I would have lynched either Dom or SVS tbh.

Why? Becasue I know the difference between "railroading" and "not allowing myself to be distracted by extraneous arguments"?

When someone who is a very good talker has their back against the wall, and the thing keeping them there is something hard to get around, they will seek any avenue to get around that thing. I know this becasue, Like LC, like you, I am also a good talker when my back is up against the wall, and when I am bad I want them to look at ANYTHING other than the big ugly truth bomb sitting in front of me. So as far as I am concerned it is a civvies job to not forget the main issue, whatever it is pinning that person to that wall. You can take the other stuff into account, since it might make a difference, but never forget that main issue.

This is part of the reason I get the "tunnelvision' thing all the time. But I think I have a well over than 50% success rate, so I will live with it.

In this case, LC's role may or may not be civ. Good arguments can be made for either side of that.

Dom may well be bad, and I am not going to defend him. The last two times I defended Dom, he was an SK. Not happening again, I love that boy, but no one fools me like Dom.

BUT neither of these points change the main reason I think LC is bad. His story is just unbelievable. I don't believe it. I don't want to bring down the wrath of Golden again, but for reasons, I don't think the scenario he brought to us is something that happened. It defies what I know of the people he says were involved.

And I kept bringing it up while he was weaving all of these other shiny webs of doubt to remind people of why we thought he was bad in the first place. If the arguments he had made addressed that, that would be one thing. But they were diversions that had no bearing on that basic thing. Dom might be bad, LCs role could be either a civ or a bad role. That doesn't mean the hosts told him on Facebook about game secrets, like the existence of tribes.

Do I believe his story? No. And does maybe Dom being bad or maybe LCs role could be civ make me believe it more? No. So I am going to keep pointing that out. Yup, Dom could be bad, and LCs role could work for a civ or a baddie, but you know, that Facebook story, that sounds like bullshit to me.

That is not railroading somebody, and I am disappoint that you seem to think that it is, to the point of posting giant red memes and implying I am bad for doing so.

Railroading, tunneling, call it what you want I don't really mind. You killed any skepticism of his innocence any time it was brought up.

If LC flips bad it won't clear Dom but it might clear you. If He flips civ, it means trouble for both you and Dom IMO, as far as my suspicion goes.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Mar 09, 2018 10:51 am

Dom wrote: ↑Fri Mar 09, 2018 12:49 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Mar 08, 2018 11:29 pm
You are bad at logic. I'm not going to get into it with you again.

Here's why your theory is bullshit.

You are taking the meaning of my sentence "I wouldn't be too surprised if the civs had a vote manipulator as well." to be:
"There is a vote manipulator who is a civ, in addition to LC"
Meaning that I am a baddie who knows LC... is the bad vote manipulator... but that would require me ot be on the same team as LC.. so I railroaded my teammate out of the blue and now he's trying to take me down and got one of the biggest civ reads of the thread (DH) on his side for it???

OR

"I wouldn't be too surprised if the civs had a vote manipulator as well."
means that "I think it makes sense for the civs to have a vote manipulator too, I think DDL might have been that person given your role stinks to high hell"

Y'all can make a choice. But the first one is just about the laziest no u I've ever seen.

That... isn't exactly what LC's theory said. At all.

LC said that you, being on the scumteam (or other scumteam), said "I wouldn't be too surprised if the civs had a vote manipulator as well." in the context of talking about LC. In doing so, wording-wise, you completely ignored the existence of DDL, a vote manipulator likely unaligned with LC. LC posits that you ignored DDL because you know he's scum.

I think.

It's not an airtight scumslip, but you did word it oddly.
LC would be better off explaining the slip, but that's the direction I thought it was going in.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Mar 08, 2018 12:19 pm It's unfortunate LC but I don't see a way out for you bud. Even if you could convince me, I doubt you'd be able to convince literally anyone else. I agree with you that Dom looks bad. I'd have to revisit DDL but I've never felt great about him as a civ. SVS I am making a conscious effort not to read. I'm dead even on everyone else.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Mar 04, 2018 12:36 am Any time I see a player pull the "Oh golly Gee Mr. Police Mans, I just hate to vote to lynch this person, surely I do. But I gotta, you see? I gotta. I hate to do it boss, but I gotta. Sure hope it works out. Not sure it will, but I hope it does." routine it bugs me. Like, if you don't want to vote for the guy, don't. If you think he's civ or whatever, toss a different name in the hat. You don't *have* to vote for anyone.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Mar 08, 2018 2:39 pm Does anyone think the Hosts told LC about a secret game mechanic (the existence of tribes in the GOC) in a chat on Facebook with MP, who presumably was also eligible for this game, having had 6 wins in 2017? Really?

If so, I am a tad annoyed at Jules, who is actually a friend, for not including me in this little conversation

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Mar 09, 2018 2:18 pm I'm not sure if LC is bad or not, but I wanna play devil's advocate here. I hate how we are lynching him two consecutive days with little resistance. This is too easy.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Mar 09, 2018 2:21 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Mar 09, 2018 2:18 pm I'm not sure if LC is bad or not, but I wanna play devil's advocate here. I hate how we are lynching him two consecutive days with little resistance. This is too easy.

Agreed.

Not that we'll be able to lynch him tomorrow.

What you think about Dom?

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Mar 09, 2018 2:24 pm What is the case om Dom, with no TMI?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Mar 08, 2018 9:07 pm I've thought it over and thought it over all day.

But no.

I'm officially calling bullshit.

Adding MP to the story is one of those odd, unnecessary details a good liar would add to make the story seem more authentic. MP is conveniently not a participant in this game, so he can't confirm or deny. On top of that, MP has been preoccupied lately with obtaining gainful employment.

I do not believe that Golden, juliets, Long Con, and MP were all on Facebook at the same time having a conversation, which is what Long Con's story requires you to believe ("we bounced ideas off each other"), and I don't believe that the topic of Tribes for the Game of Champions game came up.

juliets is a highly discreet person (I don't even know her real name). juliets doesn't strike me as a Pokemon person, so why would she come up with the name Pikachu for a tribe?

MP is an insanely busy person.

And Golden lives in fucking Australia.

This is bullshit upon bullshit upon bullshit, and if it's true, I will give up drinking aubergine wine for the rest of my life.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Mar 08, 2018 11:34 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Mar 08, 2018 11:28 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Mar 08, 2018 11:22 pm How the fuck do you not see this as a slip??

Dom wrote: ↑Thu Mar 08, 2018 1:09 pmI wouldn't be too surprised if the civs had a vote manipulator as well.

I guess Dom just forgot about DDL? Or does Dom just, as a Civ, so convinced DDL is bad that he meant it that way?

Like, fuck, I get that you think I'm bad but that doesn't mean you just have to shit on my suspicions. This one is pretty significant.

Speculation is not a slip.

Watch this:

"I wouldn't be too surprised if there are two mafia teams in this game."

Explain to me how that was a slip.

What you just did was confirm that YOU knew DDL's first role was a civilian role.

See how that works?

You are BAD.

Not quite the same thing but at this point I have no desire or energy anymore to argue with anyone.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Mar 09, 2018 2:37 pm And I'm at least as sceptical about Dom's 'slip' as I am about 'LC's'. Slips are like unicorns. They don't usually exist. And if, by some bizarre stroke of magic, you find a slip that means something, it might impale you.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Mar 09, 2018 2:35 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Mar 09, 2018 2:24 pm What is the case om Dom, with no TMI?

He's only got three pages of posts. I'd rather you look for yourself because I feel like nobody but me is making a case on Dom, and I need validation.

Things to look for:
-I maintain that Dom's flip on my first life looks bad, for the reasons I stated at the time. I know I'm not confirmed town. I don't care. Look at that flip.
-Dom has been ignoring any suggestion that he might be wrong about LC. Legit ignoring. I talked once about how LC's role could be town, he later asked that very question. I pointed him back to the post he supposedly read. No response.
-Dom has not been facilitating discussion to hunt since the LC 'slip'. He's been more active in shutting it down, by obtusely ignoring arguments or just saying "no" or "I don't" or whatever the case may bring.

I don't think Dom is trying to foster town discussion or get to the bottom of things. If LC is scum, he gets credit for all of this, and he's driving toward that. If LC is town, he can blame it on the 'slip' and LC's 'lack of reasoning'/'throwing stuff at the wall'

There are other little things, but that's a start. Let me know what you find. If we lynch LC today (and I dunno if we can sway half the game), we have another half week before voting matters again. Plenty of time to look over Dom.

Dom wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2018 6:38 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2018 6:37 pm

Dom wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2018 6:36 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2018 6:22 pm No dom we must crush speedchuck together

What do you think of his substantiated posts?

I think if you call someone out for not being accountable, and they immediately follow up with some slapdash accountability, it doesn't matter. They're caught

It doesn't change that they've made points.

What do you think of them?

Dom wrote: ↑Wed Feb 28, 2018 8:12 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Feb 28, 2018 12:50 am

Dom wrote: ↑Wed Feb 28, 2018 12:41 am Epi-- who has done something definitive?

I believe I have. I have called sprityo good, colonialbob good, I have taken a stance on the nijuukyugou kill, I have tried to dissuade people from lynching speedchuck (or at least get people to consider why he might be a civilian). Those are definitive stances.

I believe S~V~S has. She has provided definitive opinions on people. She has made updates on those opinions, but that's within the realm of her prerogative. She still speaks forthright when she changes her mind or is unsure of something. That's fine by me.

I believe nutella has. People can accuse her of parroting me all they want, but she took a stance, even if her stance took the form of agreeing with me. If he is bad, people can judge me as they will. That's still a stance.

I cannot point to a single opinion DH has that I don't think he'll change his mind about if the environment of the thread suits him.

So....?

I don't see how any of that is "definitive".

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Feb 28, 2018 7:24 am One random post from Nutella has more content than a full ISO page from Speedchuck.

[VOTE: Speedchuck] aubergine

Agree.

[VOTE: Speedchuck] aubergine

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Mar 09, 2018 2:35 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Mar 09, 2018 2:24 pm What is the case om Dom, with no TMI?

He's only got three pages of posts. I'd rather you look for yourself because I feel like nobody but me is making a case on Dom, and I need validation.

Things to look for:
-I maintain that Dom's flip on my first life looks bad, for the reasons I stated at the time. I know I'm not confirmed town. I don't care. Look at that flip.
-Dom has been ignoring any suggestion that he might be wrong about LC. Legit ignoring. I talked once about how LC's role could be town, he later asked that very question. I pointed him back to the post he supposedly read. No response.
-Dom has not been facilitating discussion to hunt since the LC 'slip'. He's been more active in shutting it down, by obtusely ignoring arguments or just saying "no" or "I don't" or whatever the case may bring.

I don't think Dom is trying to foster town discussion or get to the bottom of things. If LC is scum, he gets credit for all of this, and he's driving toward that. If LC is town, he can blame it on the 'slip' and LC's 'lack of reasoning'/'throwing stuff at the wall'

There are other little things, but that's a start. Let me know what you find. If we lynch LC today (and I dunno if we can sway half the game), we have another half week before voting matters again. Plenty of time to look over Dom.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Mar 09, 2018 3:27 pm Dom went from this:

Dom wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2018 6:38 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2018 6:37 pm

Dom wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2018 6:36 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2018 6:22 pm No dom we must crush speedchuck together

What do you think of his substantiated posts?

I think if you call someone out for not being accountable, and they immediately follow up with some slapdash accountability, it doesn't matter. They're caught

It doesn't change that they've made points.

What do you think of them?

To this:

Dom wrote: ↑Wed Feb 28, 2018 8:12 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Feb 28, 2018 12:50 am

Dom wrote: ↑Wed Feb 28, 2018 12:41 am Epi-- who has done something definitive?

I believe I have. I have called sprityo good, colonialbob good, I have taken a stance on the nijuukyugou kill, I have tried to dissuade people from lynching speedchuck (or at least get people to consider why he might be a civilian). Those are definitive stances.

I believe S~V~S has. She has provided definitive opinions on people. She has made updates on those opinions, but that's within the realm of her prerogative. She still speaks forthright when she changes her mind or is unsure of something. That's fine by me.

I believe nutella has. People can accuse her of parroting me all they want, but she took a stance, even if her stance took the form of agreeing with me. If he is bad, people can judge me as they will. That's still a stance.

I cannot point to a single opinion DH has that I don't think he'll change his mind about if the environment of the thread suits him.

So....?

I don't see how any of that is "definitive".

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Feb 28, 2018 7:24 am One random post from Nutella has more content than a full ISO page from Speedchuck.

[VOTE: Speedchuck] aubergine

Agree.

[VOTE: Speedchuck] aubergine

With no provocation. It's not so much that he voted me. It's that, like with LC, he decided that there was enough justification for the case and there was no need to discuss it further. I had been going back and forth with Dom, speaking about my own gameplay and his suspicions, and he was engaging me and considering multiple things. But then my train got far enough along, Dom saw the light at the end of the speedchucktraintunnel, and his vote jumped to me to stay, no matter what was said after that.

Any attempt I made to engage Dom after that was met like his engagement of LC. Snark, avoidance, dismissal, etc. And then I got lynched. I fully expect the same thing to happen to LC, while everyone else in the game looks at Dom and shrugs.

Dom wrote: ↑Fri Mar 09, 2018 5:14 pm Then, you admitted you are just looking for any reason that allows you to suspect me-- the walking definition of confirmation bias.

colonialbob wrote: ↑Wed Mar 07, 2018 6:19 pm Also, that isn't a "difficult to use" town role - it's a town role that disincentivizes them from doing the thing townies are supposed to do - vote. Because you don't know whether your vote is positive or negative, but chances are you're going to vote for town, meaning your vote d2 is worthless (except for determining whether it goes up or down). After that, who knows? Do you vote for your suspects? Or people you think are town? No idea!