The Syndicate

I agree with you Mac, SVS is starting to rub me the wrong way


Also who cares about info drops??? What good does it do me to withhold that information? Talking about it later like “oh yeah I saw colonel mustard in the dining hall with the candlestick” isn’t gonna help us 3 days from now

sprityo wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 7:23 pm I agree with you Mac, SVS is starting to rub me the wrong way


Also who cares about info drops??? What good does it do me to withhold that information? Talking about it later like “oh yeah I saw colonel mustard in the dining hall with the candlestick” isn’t gonna help us 3 days from now

sprityo, at our old sites, Lostpedia, The Piano, Revolution, we never allowed info drops in games so this is something relatively new for those of us who played at those sites.

sprityo wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 7:23 pm I agree with you Mac, SVS is starting to rub me the wrong way


Also who cares about info drops??? What good does it do me to withhold that information? Talking about it later like “oh yeah I saw colonel mustard in the dining hall with the candlestick” isn’t gonna help us 3 days from now

Nope sorry, I am not a baddie. I am town. And am I just rubbing you the wrong way, or do you actually think I am bad? Not necessarily the same thing. If you (or [mention]MacDougall[/mention] care to put up points, I would be happy to refute them

Because I am town.

And where I came from, info dumps without even putting the effort into making a case was considered bad form, although I realize and accept that that is no longer the case *HERE*, I still am not a fan. Since we have two people claiming info, and I trust Sloonei more than you, AND he put the effort into cases, I am entertaining his info rather than yours.

I don’t think sprityo is making his thing up, but I do think the information he has is ambiguous enough to leave room for doubt. Sabie seems to be gesturing toward DrWilgy as a baddie, and indepdent of sprit’s claim, I’d vote wilgy over sabie.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 6:12 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 6:09 pm @DharmaHelper when I re-read Luna I couldn't see what you did when you said "something's up with Luna". Did you say that because of her G-Man post? Or was it something else that you saw?

General vibe. I'm not seeing a smoking gun yet but I'm nervous about taking her off the table completely.

Do you still feel this way? I am not sure if I am not tinfoiling ( [mention]Dragon D. Luffy[/mention] ) on her, or not.

linki, I don't think he's making it up, it just seems ambiguous.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 7:35 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 6:12 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 6:09 pm @DharmaHelper when I re-read Luna I couldn't see what you did when you said "something's up with Luna". Did you say that because of her G-Man post? Or was it something else that you saw?

General vibe. I'm not seeing a smoking gun yet but I'm nervous about taking her off the table completely.

Do you still feel this way? I am not sure if I am not tinfoiling ( @Dragon D. Luffy ) on her, or not.

linki, I don't think he's making it up, it just seems ambiguous.

Yes.

People are discussing the info dumping thing and Even just not having been here for awhile I feel like this info dumping thing is new. I always thought you had to make a case based on how people post and vote and all that and the info you got could help make your case without sharing it but I guess the rules kinda changed on that.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 7:33 pm I don’t think sprityo is making his thing up, but I do think the information he has is ambiguous enough to leave room for doubt. Sabie seems to be gesturing toward DrWilgy as a baddie, and indepdent of sprit’s claim, I’d vote wilgy over sabie.

This is more or less where I'm at, but if you search Wilgy's name in sabie's ISO the whole thing seems very opportunistic and I've seen Wilgy get lynched over shit like this enough times that I'd rather not.

I also take the old lady's message to mean there was a JB near sabie and not that it was her. Love to see Luna be immediately convinced though.

Trickster - Has an aura of three squares, within which any info that is given or received will be corrupted in the Trickster’s favour. When the Trickster kills, that kill can be forged. When the Trickster enters BTSC, it may be under any name.

There's also this.

I’m not caught up but why are people voting Wilgy if he wasn’t on the watchlist and Gman if he was cleared by Luna?

Should we be voting Quin or one of the others I’ve forgotten?

I see a lot of complaining that I got lucky to get information, sorry to dissapoint everyone with being different and letting you know something helpful I guess

Oh yeah or Sprityo?

Enrique wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 7:42 pm

Trickster - Has an aura of three squares, within which any info that is given or received will be corrupted in the Trickster’s favour. When the Trickster kills, that kill can be forged. When the Trickster enters BTSC, it may be under any name.

There's also this.

You support my first theory then of trickster faking their own death?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 7:44 pm I’m not caught up but why are people voting Wilgy if he wasn’t on the watchlist and Gman if he was cleared by Luna?

Should we be voting Quin or one of the others I’ve forgotten?

You have to trust Luna for that to work, right? She was just either being real gullible or real shady, to my POV.

sprityo wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 7:47 pm

Enrique wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 7:42 pm

Trickster - Has an aura of three squares, within which any info that is given or received will be corrupted in the Trickster’s favour. When the Trickster kills, that kill can be forged. When the Trickster enters BTSC, it may be under any name.

There's also this.

You support my first theory then of trickster faking their own death?

I mean I don't think it's impossible but I'm not endorsing it here. Was the Trickster dead by the time you met that lady?

sabie12 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 7:39 pm People are discussing the info dumping thing and Even just not having been here for awhile I feel like this info dumping thing is new. I always thought you had to make a case based on how people post and vote and all that and the info you got could help make your case without sharing it but I guess the rules kinda changed on that.

Info-dumping still varies from game to game on here. Sometimes it’s strictly forbidden, sometimes everything is fair game, and sometimes we’re in between. It’s definitely a trend of the last couppe years. A lot of us have migrated to the Syndicate from other mafia communities and brought some of the culture along with us.

Personally I prefer case-making and simple in-thread interactions, but if information exists and can be shared, that’s part of the game and I’m not gonna hide it.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 7:47 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 7:44 pm I’m not caught up but why are people voting Wilgy if he wasn’t on the watchlist and Gman if he was cleared by Luna?

Should we be voting Quin or one of the others I’ve forgotten?

You have to trust Luna for that to work, right? She was just either being real gullible or real shady, to my POV.

You think she’s faking a cop (or whatever) claim on her hitman buddy? That will get her lynched when Gman flips bad.

[mention]sabie12[/mention] what's your mafia background?

[mention]also anyone who knows sabie[/mention]

Enrique wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 7:49 pm

sprityo wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 7:47 pm

Enrique wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 7:42 pm

Trickster - Has an aura of three squares, within which any info that is given or received will be corrupted in the Trickster’s favour. When the Trickster kills, that kill can be forged. When the Trickster enters BTSC, it may be under any name.

There's also this.

You support my first theory then of trickster faking their own death?

I mean I don't think it's impossible but I'm not endorsing it here. Was the Trickster dead by the time you met that lady?

Supposedly yes

This event happened during Day2

Someone sum up the cases/trustfall for the watchlist from Sloonei kthnx.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 7:50 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 7:47 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 7:44 pm I’m not caught up but why are people voting Wilgy if he wasn’t on the watchlist and Gman if he was cleared by Luna?

Should we be voting Quin or one of the others I’ve forgotten?

You have to trust Luna for that to work, right? She was just either being real gullible or real shady, to my POV.

You think she’s faking a cop (or whatever) claim on her hitman buddy? That will get her lynched when Gman flips bad.

She roleclaimed on Day 2?? I somehow missed that revelation.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 7:54 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 7:50 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 7:47 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 7:44 pm I’m not caught up but why are people voting Wilgy if he wasn’t on the watchlist and Gman if he was cleared by Luna?

Should we be voting Quin or one of the others I’ve forgotten?

You have to trust Luna for that to work, right? She was just either being real gullible or real shady, to my POV.

You think she’s faking a cop (or whatever) claim on her hitman buddy? That will get her lynched when Gman flips bad.

She roleclaimed on Day 2?? I somehow missed that revelation.

She said she has "reason to believe" G-Man didn't kill nutella. Which doesn't make him innocent when there's at two mafia teams presumably with several members each, but that's still what she came out with and what Sloonei's list is about I think.

Enrique wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 7:56 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 7:54 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 7:50 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 7:47 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 7:44 pm I’m not caught up but why are people voting Wilgy if he wasn’t on the watchlist and Gman if he was cleared by Luna?

Should we be voting Quin or one of the others I’ve forgotten?

You have to trust Luna for that to work, right? She was just either being real gullible or real shady, to my POV.

You think she’s faking a cop (or whatever) claim on her hitman buddy? That will get her lynched when Gman flips bad.

She roleclaimed on Day 2?? I somehow missed that revelation.

She said she has "reason to believe" G-Man didn't kill nutella. Which doesn't make him innocent when there's at two mafia teams presumably with several members each, but that's still what she came out with and what Sloonei's list is about I think.

Thank you, I did see that. I did not presume that "because I said so" cleared anyone, though, in Mafia. I thought Slooneis list might have had to do with something else, though, but it's only a guess.

What about Quin, Qprityo and the other?

I’m not voting Gman.

sprityo wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 7:23 pm I agree with you Mac, SVS is starting to rub me the wrong way


Also who cares about info drops??? What good does it do me to withhold that information? Talking about it later like “oh yeah I saw colonel mustard in the dining hall with the candlestick” isn’t gonna help us 3 days from now

As has been said, it's a difference in culture. Some of us come from a culture where info dumping is either explicitly not allowed in games, or is generally considered bad form. So, even when we aceept that it is part of this culture, we still don't necessarily like it.

sprityo wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 7:45 pm I see a lot of complaining that I got lucky to get information, sorry to dissapoint everyone with being different and letting you know something helpful I guess

As I asked above, do you know anything about the source of this information? Is the woman a force for good? Does her information come from hosts or from another player? Does she always tell the truth?

And why are you interpreting as necessarily being that sabie is bad, as opposed to sabie is physically adjacent to someone bad?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 8:59 pm I have reason to believe that nutella was killed by one of the five players I ISO’d.

For those like me who keep going back and forth to remember who were the five:

Luna
Kyle
DDL
Quin
G-man

I'm okay with striking off G-Man from this specific thing.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 5:52 pm @Quinnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn

Where are you

im right here bby

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 7:52 pm @sabie12 what's your mafia background?

I joined in 2014 played some games stopped being active in 2016 had a brain tumor and dealt with that for awhile then came back. I don't really know what you want to know. I've played with a few people on here before.

Enrique wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 8:04 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 8:59 pm I have reason to believe that nutella was killed by one of the five players I ISO’d.

For those like me who keep going back and forth to remember who were the five:

Luna
Kyle
DDL
Quin
G-man

I'm okay with striking off G-Man from this specific thing.

Yeah there’s no way Luna claims this if Gman is the killer regardless of her alignment or his. He can be bad but he didn’t kill Nutella.

Enrique wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 8:04 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 8:59 pm I have reason to believe that nutella was killed by one of the five players I ISO’d.

For those like me who keep going back and forth to remember who were the five:

Luna
Kyle
DDL
Quin
G-man

I'm okay with striking off G-Man from this specific thing.

why?

I am not swayed by luna’s vouching for him.

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 8:04 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 5:52 pm @Quinnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn

Where are you

im right here bby

GTH reads on timmer and G-man, go!

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 8:05 pm

Enrique wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 8:04 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 8:59 pm I have reason to believe that nutella was killed by one of the five players I ISO’d.

For those like me who keep going back and forth to remember who were the five:

Luna
Kyle
DDL
Quin
G-man

I'm okay with striking off G-Man from this specific thing.

Yeah there’s no way Luna claims this if Gman is the killer regardless of her alignment or his. He can be bad but he didn’t kill Nutella.

sure there is.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 8:05 pm

Enrique wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 8:04 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 8:59 pm I have reason to believe that nutella was killed by one of the five players I ISO’d.

For those like me who keep going back and forth to remember who were the five:

Luna
Kyle
DDL
Quin
G-man

I'm okay with striking off G-Man from this specific thing.

why?

I am not swayed by luna’s vouching for him.

Why not?

I like this line of thinking from Enrique:

Enrique wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 7:49 pm

sprityo wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 7:47 pm

Enrique wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 7:42 pm

Trickster - Has an aura of three squares, within which any info that is given or received will be corrupted in the Trickster’s favour. When the Trickster kills, that kill can be forged. When the Trickster enters BTSC, it may be under any name.

There's also this.

You support my first theory then of trickster faking their own death?

I mean I don't think it's impossible but I'm not endorsing it here. Was the Trickster dead by the time you met that lady?

I'll be more explicit: How do you know you were talking to an old woman and not to the Trickster, appearing in a chat room as an old woman?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 7:03 pm Quin isn't responding today and I'm going to be busy this eve.

Voting doc Wilgy

Still want Quin's reaction to recent events.

My reaction is "this is unfortunate."

Ask me specific questions and I will give you specific answers.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 8:06 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 8:04 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 5:52 pm @Quinnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn

Where are you

im right here bby

GTH reads on timmer and G-man, go!

dey bad

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 8:07 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 8:05 pm

Enrique wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 8:04 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 8:59 pm I have reason to believe that nutella was killed by one of the five players I ISO’d.

For those like me who keep going back and forth to remember who were the five:

Luna
Kyle
DDL
Quin
G-man

I'm okay with striking off G-Man from this specific thing.

why?

I am not swayed by luna’s vouching for him.

Why not?

gut

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 8:08 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 8:06 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 8:04 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 5:52 pm @Quinnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn

Where are you

im right here bby

GTH reads on timmer and G-man, go!

dey bad

Both of them? Why?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 8:10 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 8:08 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 8:06 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 8:04 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 5:52 pm @Quinnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn

Where are you

im right here bby

GTH reads on timmer and G-man, go!

dey bad

Both of them? Why?

You said it was a GTH. This is against the rules.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 8:09 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 8:07 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 8:05 pm

Enrique wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 8:04 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 8:59 pm I have reason to believe that nutella was killed by one of the five players I ISO’d.

For those like me who keep going back and forth to remember who were the five:

Luna
Kyle
DDL
Quin
G-man

I'm okay with striking off G-Man from this specific thing.

why?

I am not swayed by luna’s vouching for him.

Why not?

gut

#trustcops

LoRab wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 8:03 pm

sprityo wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 7:23 pm I agree with you Mac, SVS is starting to rub me the wrong way


Also who cares about info drops??? What good does it do me to withhold that information? Talking about it later like “oh yeah I saw colonel mustard in the dining hall with the candlestick” isn’t gonna help us 3 days from now

As has been said, it's a difference in culture. Some of us come from a culture where info dumping is either explicitly not allowed in games, or is generally considered bad form. So, even when we aceept that it is part of this culture, we still don't necessarily like it.

sprityo wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 7:45 pm I see a lot of complaining that I got lucky to get information, sorry to dissapoint everyone with being different and letting you know something helpful I guess

As I asked above, do you know anything about the source of this information? Is the woman a force for good? Does her information come from hosts or from another player? Does she always tell the truth?

And why are you interpreting as necessarily being that sabie is bad, as opposed to sabie is physically adjacent to someone bad?

I think some games are designed more for discussing openly (or at least collaboratively with the BTSC rooms and all that), and this is one of them. I mean maybe not to the degree of telling everyone literally all I know and workshop it but at least to use information efficiently when there's so many more things going on than just the thread.

(speaking of this sort of design, [mention]insertnamehere[/mention] whats up)

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 8:10 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 8:10 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 8:08 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 8:06 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 8:04 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 5:52 pm @Quinnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn

Where are you

im right here bby

GTH reads on timmer and G-man, go!

dey bad

Both of them? Why?

You said it was a GTH. This is against the rules.

It was. Now I'm pulling the gun away and asking why you said those words.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 8:12 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 8:10 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 8:10 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 8:08 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 8:06 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 8:04 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 5:52 pm @Quinnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn

Where are you

im right here bby

GTH reads on timmer and G-man, go!

dey bad

Both of them? Why?

You said it was a GTH. This is against the rules.

It was. Now I'm pulling the gun away and asking why you said those words.

Well I am running away with my fingers in my ears going nanananananananana

I'm gonna Vote Doc

Infodumps set aside, the legwork I did today makes me comfortable with this vote.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 8:10 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 8:09 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 8:07 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 8:05 pm

Enrique wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 8:04 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 8:59 pm I have reason to believe that nutella was killed by one of the five players I ISO’d.

For those like me who keep going back and forth to remember who were the five:

Luna
Kyle
DDL
Quin
G-man

I'm okay with striking off G-Man from this specific thing.

why?

I am not swayed by luna’s vouching for him.

Why not?

gut

#trustcops

To be clear, that wasn't a claim or a hint of any kind. I genuinely just don't rule out G-man based on intuition.

ok. i'll be serious.

timmer is bad because i made a case on him day 1 and even if i don't believe in it anymore that still tilts the read.
g-man is bad because i agree with some early assessments of g-man making big posts that say nothing.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 8:14 pm I'm gonna Vote Doc

Infodumps set aside, the legwork I did today makes me comfortable with this vote.

I am starting to lean toward this as well. The case is less yucky today.

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 8:13 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 8:12 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 8:10 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 8:10 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 8:08 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 8:06 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 8:04 pm

im right here bby

GTH reads on timmer and G-man, go!

dey bad

Both of them? Why?

You said it was a GTH. This is against the rules.

It was. Now I'm pulling the gun away and asking why you said those words.

Well I am running away with my fingers in my ears going nanananananananana

Then imma leave my vote right here.