Jack Attack Mafia (Day 5)

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

[ytubehd][/ytubehd]

@Funnygurl555 can you claim your flavor please?

like my character?

Yeh

Figured, had to ask

What’s the flavor reason you can’t be TKed?

Don’t quote obviously just paraphrase

[Hally]

I'm thinking about the possibility of Funnygurl being one-shot unexecutable and... for some reason I actually lean towards her being town still. I sort of think if I was scum and drew one-shot unexecutable, I'd try to play as townie as possible and use it as a trump card in endgame, not blow my load D1 and maybe get shot by a Vigilante. And I do think the way she played that D1 indicates that she was very aware she was not executable and would be happy to prove that to the town. Think about:

1) The way she didn't show any inkling of self-pres. I know she was around EoD and saw the CFD onto her go down, but she didn't bother switching her vote to LC for self-pres.

2) The way she kept on doing things the same way even after she was scumread for it. She said "I'm stubborn" at the time, but it could well be that she was happy to get scumread because she knew she wouldn't get executed.

3) The way she seemed more frustrated with the way people wouldn't listen to her than frightened at the possibility that she might get executed D1.

It's not a 100% sure read, but I do think that scum is more likely to get limited-use unexecutable than unlimited unexecutable (since, well, they need a way to die if the Vigilante gets killed early), and the way FG played it leans me more towards "I am completely unexecutable" than "I have one-shot unexecutable and I should use it at the right moment".

this is certainly not a bad analysis and would mesh with thoughts i had about her earlier. it relies on w!fg playing her role in an optimal way though, which she might not. im not sure

like, if i was a wolf, regardless of whether i was one-shot or perma yeetproof id play... very differently from fg. but maybe she just threw caution to the wind. idfk. i wouldnt be shocked to find that shes 3P or town over scum though. not at all

[Hally]

I think those are reasonable takes regarding FG, Alison. I am also brought to wonder if a 1-shot chop-proof mafia FG is oblivious to my role at the end of the day and orders me to place a vote on her that ensures she takes the poll lead. She wouldn't know the day would end early granted, but it was still a tight situation wherein such a thing would be way sub-optimal.

If we assume people pay attention when they're evil.

im not sure she remembered that
[mention]Funnygurl555[/mention] ?

[Hally]

I'd like to know how people feel about Long Con's recent appeals to me, just at face value. Given that I am the one receiving feedback from LC, I am more susceptible to bias in my interpretations than any third observers.

i honestly have no idea. they sway me a bit. maybe hes town who just got caught up in stuff. i have no idea

can fg/lc both be good? and who is scum if so?

[Hally]

thats an open question to everyone btw ^

[Millium]

Guys

I’m telling you I’ve seen syndicate games where mafia had a role that made them un-TKable

So there is no “if this claim is real it makes them locked town”

I mean if this is true, then we have to have some kind of killing role on the town side? or a 3P killer? and if both die? we can't win? that seems a bit insane and there is no way you believe this

[Hally]

FG is very adamant that she is protecting LC somehow but if they're not teammates then why?

is it always town? yeah probably, could just be a great given fake claim, not sure how those were distributed not going to think about it. Play the game, not the host and all that.

i mean, it literally cant be a fake claim because we just saw its very real

Why can't it be a fake claim? As in like yes she didn't die but it doesn't mean for sure she is town. It almost sounded like she was claiming 3p before she said oh no no I'm town guys don't worry.

oh yeah, i mean her alignment can be fake. and the specifics of it can also be fake (is it perma or one shot). but she obviously has some unyeetable role

[Millium]

Funny certainly didn't play her role in an optimal way as town thats for sure. I just find it odd how see ended as the top train when here approach to EoD made no sense from the perspective of a scum, unless she was:

1. Town-siding
2. She is w/w with Con

Given that she was unkillable, pulling the kill away from Con makes sense in that world, but IDK if I really believe that yet

[Hally]

In the rules it says 3p that are a threat to town have to also be eliminated. And it also mentions a cult. He could be just throwing that in there to mess with us but connections between players can end up happening if they get recruited into a cult. Just a random thought of what if FG were a 3p cult leader type role and maybe was planning on recruiting LC. shrug I don't know probably too crazy of a theory, but as alison said it doesn't hurt to throw out random thoughts even if they may not make sense. And if someone already said something like this I may have missed it amongst the million posts so far.

oh lord, is there a cult? i didnt even see that in the op

[Long Con]

FG is very adamant that she is protecting LC somehow but if they're not teammates then why?

is it always town? yeah probably, could just be a great given fake claim, not sure how those were distributed not going to think about it. Play the game, not the host and all that.

i mean, it literally cant be a fake claim because we just saw its very real

Why can't it be a fake claim? As in like yes she didn't die but it doesn't mean for sure she is town. It almost sounded like she was claiming 3p before she said oh no no I'm town guys don't worry.

oh yeah, i mean her alignment can be fake. and the specifics of it can also be fake (is it perma or one shot). but she obviously has some unyeetable role

She is NOT "obviously unyeetable".

[Millium]

We don't even know if she is unyeetable in regards to her own role, if she is a wolf it could be a partners ability honestly. either way I do not believe she is un-yeetable, I just don't. Its just a fun mechanic to play around as either alignment

[Hally]

me @ this game

[Hally]

if there is a cult and you recruit me im bussin ya whole team

you have been warned

[Alison]

Guys

I’m telling you I’ve seen syndicate games where mafia had a role that made them un-TKable

So there is no “if this claim is real it makes them locked town”

Like permanently?

How are you supposed to get rid of them if the Vig dies N1?

[Hally]

We don't even know if she is unyeetable in regards to her own role, if she is a wolf it could be a partners ability honestly. either way I do not believe she is un-yeetable, I just don't. Its just a fun mechanic to play around as either alignment

it seems directly tied to her character jack sparrow being an escape artist, so i think its more likely her own role

[Millium]

if there is a cult, I am out lol
Cult's take the fun right out of mafia for me

[Hally]

if theres a vig you kinda gotta shoot fg

even if shes town we need her alignment resolved properly before we head into next day

i cant sit through another 48 hrs of “wtf is the deal with fg?!”

just off her, please and thanks

[Millium]

We don't even know if she is unyeetable in regards to her own role, if she is a wolf it could be a partners ability honestly. either way I do not believe she is un-yeetable, I just don't. Its just a fun mechanic to play around as either alignment

it seems directly tied to her character jack sparrow being an escape artist, so i think its more likely her own role

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
I guess that is an extremely fair point
The video definitely gives us information without making it super explicit, but totally unlynchable......... no thanks

[Hally]

if there is a cult, I am out lol
Cult's take the fun right out of mafia for me

yeah

cult games are always cult sided. the cult always wins. its just how it goes

that could have just been jack trolling us so we’d freak out though

[Hally]

i could see a cult recruiter role being like “you are unyeetable until youve successfully recruited one time”

thats a scary thought

@ vig kill her please

[Long Con]

There was a Doctor Who Mafia on this site a few years ago, and the cult leader recruited every night and was invulnerable as long as there were cult members left alive. The game ended with me and one other unrecruited player trying desperately to solve the game while everyone else just laughed. It was terrible.

[Millium]

There was a Doctor Who Mafia on this site a few years ago, and the cult leader recruited every night and was invulnerable as long as there were cult members left alive. The game ended with me and one other unrecruited player trying desperately to solve the game while everyone else just laughed. It was terrible.

Gross!

[Funnygurl555]

[ytubehd][/ytubehd]

@Funnygurl555 can you claim your flavor please?

like my character?

Yeh

Figured, had to ask

What’s the flavor reason you can’t be TKed?

Don’t quote obviously just paraphrase

there aint any but i think it's just p obv 'cause im jack sparrow

[Funnygurl555]

i could see a cult recruiter role being like “you are unyeetable until youve successfully recruited one time”

thats a scary thought

@ vig kill her please

are you serious

if y'all kill me it's on you. clearly y'all should let the 3p and maf kill me and spend your vigs elesewhere. obviously

[Hally]

jack designing this game:

[Hally]

i could see a cult recruiter role being like “you are unyeetable until youve successfully recruited one time”

thats a scary thought

@ vig kill her please

are you serious

if y'all kill me it's on you. clearly y'all should let the 3p and maf kill me and spend your vigs elesewhere. obviously

nah

[Funnygurl555]

fine. w/e i'm out

like this is just mechanically shitty and im frustrated

[KitsuShel]

A question and an observation. First, are open Night Phases a normal thing on this site or is it game-specific here? Because this is a first for me.

And an observation, I don’t think I’ve ever played in a game where a townsperson has an unyeetable role. Again, also pointing out that our play styles and game flavors are similar, yet pretty different at the same time. So I guess take my observation with a grain of salt.

[Hally]

fine. w/e i'm out

like this is just mechanically shitty and im frustrated

to be clear its not your fault you have this role

but now that we know this, i dont think we can have it hanging over our heads for much longer

we need this question answered so we can move on

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Guys

I’m telling you I’ve seen syndicate games where mafia had a role that made them un-TKable

So there is no “if this claim is real it makes them locked town”

I mean if this is true, then we have to have some kind of killing role on the town side? or a 3P killer? and if both die? we can't win? that seems a bit insane and there is no way you believe this

Look man I’m just telling you what I’ve seen

[Hally]

A question and an observation. First, are open Night Phases a normal thing on this site or is it game-specific here? Because this is a first for me.

And an observation, I don’t think I’ve ever played in a game where a townsperson has an unyeetable role. Again, also pointing out that our play styles and game flavors are similar, yet pretty different at the same time. So I guess take my observation with a grain of salt.

open night phases seem to be the norm here, yes

[sabie12]

me @ this game

Yeah I think it's frustrating on purpose nice IT crowd reference.



The original post does mention cult. It doesn't say there for sure is one but it is mentioned and it mentions anti town independents could be a thing that need to be eliminated.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

A question and an observation. First, are open Night Phases a normal thing on this site or is it game-specific here? Because this is a first for me.

And an observation, I don’t think I’ve ever played in a game where a townsperson has an unyeetable role. Again, also pointing out that our play styles and game flavors are similar, yet pretty different at the same time. So I guess take my observation with a grain of salt.

Yeah pretty standard for syndicate games

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I think FG is scum someone tell me why

[sabie12]

Guys

I’m telling you I’ve seen syndicate games where mafia had a role that made them un-TKable

So there is no “if this claim is real it makes them locked town”

I mean if this is true, then we have to have some kind of killing role on the town side? or a 3P killer? and if both die? we can't win? that seems a bit insane and there is no way you believe this

Look man I’m just telling you what I’ve seen

I don't think it would make them lock town I just think it would be more likely to be a 3p role than a mafia role. I don't recall ever being in a game with a completely unlynchable mafia role . I feel like there's usual some kind of condition on it like limited use or if their teammates are still alive or something.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Yeah I mean I’d hope there’s some sort of gate or conditional on it

Otherwise game is unwinnable in a shocking amount of scenarios lol

[Alison]

I think FG is scum someone tell me why

I don't know if this is a "help me justify my gut feeling" post or a legitimate "try to guess my reason" post, but if it's the latter my guess is that she didn't claim it until we wasted D1 on her.

Don't know how to feel about Hally's saying to shoot FG if there is a vig. If that is mafia trying to get vig to shoot town, it is openwolf in a way that doesn't feel very in line with Hally's personality. But I also have respect for Hally's scum range and have never seen her play as scum so I am not very confident in that read. The logic makes sense but I find it really difficult to ask a vig to shoot someone I think is town.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I think FG is scum someone tell me why

I don't know if this is a "help me justify my gut feeling" post or a legitimate "try to guess my reason" post, but if it's the latter my guess is that she didn't claim it until we wasted D1 on her.

Don't know how to feel about Hally's saying to shoot FG if there is a vig. If that is mafia trying to get vig to shoot town, it is openwolf in a way that doesn't feel very in line with Hally's personality. But I also have respect for Hally's scum range and have never seen her play as scum so I am not very confident in that read. The logic makes sense but I find it really difficult to ask a vig to shoot someone I think is town.

No I have a definite reason, I’m seeing if anyone sees it without prompting cause I might be able to get a soft clear on them if they do lol

It isn’t what you said tho

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I also endorse vigging FG btw, otherwise we likely just waste a day on it

I have two conflicting thoughts on her claim but I think she’s prooooooobably mafia

[sabie12]

I think FG is scum someone tell me why

I don't know if this is a "help me justify my gut feeling" post or a legitimate "try to guess my reason" post, but if it's the latter my guess is that she didn't claim it until we wasted D1 on her.

Don't know how to feel about Hally's saying to shoot FG if there is a vig. If that is mafia trying to get vig to shoot town, it is openwolf in a way that doesn't feel very in line with Hally's personality. But I also have respect for Hally's scum range and have never seen her play as scum so I am not very confident in that read. The logic makes sense but I find it really difficult to ask a vig to shoot someone I think is town.

No I have a definite reason, I’m seeing if anyone sees it without prompting cause I might be able to get a soft clear on them if they do lol

It isn’t what you said tho

Do you think this because she claimed to be a miller and also to be unlynchable and that would mean she had multiple powers in one role?

[Long Con]

I think FG is scum someone tell me why

I don't know if this is a "help me justify my gut feeling" post or a legitimate "try to guess my reason" post, but if it's the latter my guess is that she didn't claim it until we wasted D1 on her.

Don't know how to feel about Hally's saying to shoot FG if there is a vig. If that is mafia trying to get vig to shoot town, it is openwolf in a way that doesn't feel very in line with Hally's personality. But I also have respect for Hally's scum range and have never seen her play as scum so I am not very confident in that read. The logic makes sense but I find it really difficult to ask a vig to shoot someone I think is town.

No I have a definite reason, I’m seeing if anyone sees it without prompting cause I might be able to get a soft clear on them if they do lol

It isn’t what you said tho

Do you think this because she claimed to be a miller and also to be unlynchable and that would mean she had multiple powers in one role?

I think Sabie won the soft-clear.

[Hally]

I think FG is scum someone tell me why

I don't know if this is a "help me justify my gut feeling" post or a legitimate "try to guess my reason" post, but if it's the latter my guess is that she didn't claim it until we wasted D1 on her.

Don't know how to feel about Hally's saying to shoot FG if there is a vig. If that is mafia trying to get vig to shoot town, it is openwolf in a way that doesn't feel very in line with Hally's personality. But I also have respect for Hally's scum range and have never seen her play as scum so I am not very confident in that read. The logic makes sense but I find it really difficult to ask a vig to shoot someone I think is town.

im not even confident she wont be town

i just think that regardless of her alignment, town as a whole benefits from seeing that flip and removing this question from our minds

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I think FG is scum someone tell me why

I don't know if this is a "help me justify my gut feeling" post or a legitimate "try to guess my reason" post, but if it's the latter my guess is that she didn't claim it until we wasted D1 on her.

Don't know how to feel about Hally's saying to shoot FG if there is a vig. If that is mafia trying to get vig to shoot town, it is openwolf in a way that doesn't feel very in line with Hally's personality. But I also have respect for Hally's scum range and have never seen her play as scum so I am not very confident in that read. The logic makes sense but I find it really difficult to ask a vig to shoot someone I think is town.

No I have a definite reason, I’m seeing if anyone sees it without prompting cause I might be able to get a soft clear on them if they do lol

It isn’t what you said tho

Do you think this because she claimed to be a miller and also to be unlynchable and that would mean she had multiple powers in one role?

No, although actually that’s not a bad point that I hadn’t considered

[Hally]

I think FG is scum someone tell me why

I don't know if this is a "help me justify my gut feeling" post or a legitimate "try to guess my reason" post, but if it's the latter my guess is that she didn't claim it until we wasted D1 on her.

Don't know how to feel about Hally's saying to shoot FG if there is a vig. If that is mafia trying to get vig to shoot town, it is openwolf in a way that doesn't feel very in line with Hally's personality. But I also have respect for Hally's scum range and have never seen her play as scum so I am not very confident in that read. The logic makes sense but I find it really difficult to ask a vig to shoot someone I think is town.

No I have a definite reason, I’m seeing if anyone sees it without prompting cause I might be able to get a soft clear on them if they do lol

It isn’t what you said tho

Do you think this because she claimed to be a miller and also to be unlynchable and that would mean she had multiple powers in one role?

remind me, did you claim miller?

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

@everyone please claim if you have more than one thing in your role (i.e., miller plus can do something else)

I only have one thing

[Alison]

FWIW, I've seen millers with multiple powers in one role before. It's not that uncommon, at least where I've played at. So I wouldn't rule it out as a possibility.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I think FG is scum someone tell me why

I don't know if this is a "help me justify my gut feeling" post or a legitimate "try to guess my reason" post, but if it's the latter my guess is that she didn't claim it until we wasted D1 on her.

Don't know how to feel about Hally's saying to shoot FG if there is a vig. If that is mafia trying to get vig to shoot town, it is openwolf in a way that doesn't feel very in line with Hally's personality. But I also have respect for Hally's scum range and have never seen her play as scum so I am not very confident in that read. The logic makes sense but I find it really difficult to ask a vig to shoot someone I think is town.

No I have a definite reason, I’m seeing if anyone sees it without prompting cause I might be able to get a soft clear on them if they do lol

It isn’t what you said tho

Do you think this because she claimed to be a miller and also to be unlynchable and that would mean she had multiple powers in one role?

remind me, did you claim miller?

Jokingly yes

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

FWIW, I've seen millers with multiple powers in one role before. It's not that uncommon, at least where I've played at. So I wouldn't rule it out as a possibility.

Yeah I have too but I only care about this game for this

[Hally]

@everyone please claim if you have more than one thing in your role (i.e., miller plus can do something else)

I only have one thing

im a miller plus another thing

[Alison]

@everyone please claim if you have more than one thing in your role (i.e., miller plus can do something else)

I only have one thing

I thought for a bit about whether or not to claim this but figured in context it's probably fine (I only have myself to blame if I get shot...)

I do have miller + something else in my role. The "something else" is something I prefer to keep hidden for now, but I doubt I'll use it much because it's pretty anti-town to throw it around too much.