Jack Attack Mafia (Day 5)

[Alison]

I also have doubts LC/FG is m/m tbh

I think FG is probably the town in that equation mostly because I have a hard time seeing "can't be executed" (even if one shot) as a role/power given to scum. There is the argument that it wasn't her role and someone gave it to her somehow, but again: what townie gives that power to Funnygurl here?

Occam's Razor is she just drew an unexecutable power role and I don't think that comes from scum. She was also the counterwagon to LC, so...

[Alison]

It’s not uncommon here for scum to have a role that lets them survive a TK

Is this really true? wtf

[Alison]

alison was frozen

That was very clear for quite some time before the yeet.

Explain to me why scum Alison is frozen there. If you are town as you claim and I am a wolf all I have to do is go "Jack gave all mafia fakeclaims. I don't believe your claim. Bye!" and keep it up. I didn't post during EoD because there was a lot of chaotic nonsense, I said what I wanted to say ("I don't believe the claim, LC is scum") and then the host locked the thread.

[Alison]

alison was frozen

why would w!alison be frozen with you and lc as wagons? what does this mean?

their third teammate

1) I've been pushing LC/FG wagons all day and it was obviously a huge possibility for those wagons to materialize. If I was their third teammate I'd be pretty mentally prepared as to how I'm going to handle EoD and wouldn't be frozen there.

2) If you don't believe 1) and legitimately believe I am their third teammate, then okay. Come help me lynch my wolf buddy LC. It's beneficial to you if you're town.

[Alison]

nanook why didnt you want us to yeet fg if we moved off lc? did you explain that yet?

He already said it. He thought LC was softing lovers with FG, and that therefore they were both town together (and so executing one is equivalent to executing the other).

[Alison]

I am willing to entertain suspicion of Alison. All of those associative reads she was promoting throughout Day 1 are a bit hard to stomach.

And yet nobody has explained why they're bad

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I also have doubts LC/FG is m/m tbh

I think FG is probably the town in that equation mostly because I have a hard time seeing "can't be executed" (even if one shot) as a role/power given to scum. There is the argument that it wasn't her role and someone gave it to her somehow, but again: what townie gives that power to Funnygurl here?

Occam's Razor is she just drew an unexecutable power role and I don't think that comes from scum. She was also the counterwagon to LC, so...

I mean I’ve seen that ability or some form of it from scum more often than town on this site, so

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I am willing to entertain suspicion of Alison. All of those associative reads she was promoting throughout Day 1 are a bit hard to stomach.

And yet nobody has explained why they're bad

Conditional reads leave a lot of leeway for a mafioso to lay the foundation of mischops. For example, your previous/current confidence that Long Con is my mafia teammate leaves the table set for you to give me shit the moment he dies if he is your mafia teammate (or to exonerate him the moment I flip town by whatever means). That's an example that troubles me particularly given that the connection you drew was frivolous by comparison to the tone with which you expressed the read -- Long Con showing up and making a big stink about a mild suspicion I cast does not offer a compelling case that we're both mafia. I don't think your concerns about the interactions of FG and Hally were particularly compelling either. That may be more forgivable if FG is just a civilian here.

I don't find it to be a consistent or reliable hunting methodology without flips present either, so it's an appropriate avenue for fake reads. I know I've done these kinds of things myself as a mafioso, so I am wary.

[TonyStarkPrime]

alison was frozen

why would w!alison be frozen with you and lc as wagons? what does this mean?

their third teammate

1) I've been pushing LC/FG wagons all day and it was obviously a huge possibility for those wagons to materialize. If I was their third teammate I'd be pretty mentally prepared as to how I'm going to handle EoD and wouldn't be frozen there.

2) If you don't believe 1) and legitimately believe I am their third teammate, then okay. Come help me lynch my wolf buddy LC. It's beneficial to you if you're town.

This was a joke

[TonyStarkPrime]

I mean it’s serious ish but it’s not serious in the way you took it

[Alison]

I'm thinking about the possibility of Funnygurl being one-shot unexecutable and... for some reason I actually lean towards her being town still. I sort of think if I was scum and drew one-shot unexecutable, I'd try to play as townie as possible and use it as a trump card in endgame, not blow my load D1 and maybe get shot by a Vigilante. And I do think the way she played that D1 indicates that she was very aware she was not executable and would be happy to prove that to the town. Think about:

1) The way she didn't show any inkling of self-pres. I know she was around EoD and saw the CFD onto her go down, but she didn't bother switching her vote to LC for self-pres.

2) The way she kept on doing things the same way even after she was scumread for it. She said "I'm stubborn" at the time, but it could well be that she was happy to get scumread because she knew she wouldn't get executed.

3) The way she seemed more frustrated with the way people wouldn't listen to her than frightened at the possibility that she might get executed D1.

It's not a 100% sure read, but I do think that scum is more likely to get limited-use unexecutable than unlimited unexecutable (since, well, they need a way to die if the Vigilante gets killed early), and the way FG played it leans me more towards "I am completely unexecutable" than "I have one-shot unexecutable and I should use it at the right moment".

[TonyStarkPrime]

what's also informative is that 4 people left their votes on lc despite a claim, which is the mechanically incorrect thing to do. as nanook pointed out, voting for me was also a bad move since me and lc are linked for some reason. then we have sprit, who people were scum reading anyways. y'all let him live

i was gonna keep mum but y'all are just... NOT headed in the right direction lmfao

i think alison's scum btw. telling eod

He didn't claim shit and everyone being so willing to get off his wagon the moment he even hinted at having a power role is way more telling. Either hard claim or get out. If he is town then mafia know his hinting at a PR is truthful and will shoot him anyway, so he loses nothing by telling the truth.

Now with this I agree

[TonyStarkPrime]

It’s not uncommon here for scum to have a role that lets them survive a TK

Is this really true? wtf

I saw it once a few months back, I’d call it fairly uncommon. But it’s very frequent on the realms. So I wouldn’t doubt it.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I think those are reasonable takes regarding FG, Alison. I am also brought to wonder if a 1-shot chop-proof mafia FG is oblivious to my role at the end of the day and orders me to place a vote on her that ensures she takes the poll lead. She wouldn't know the day would end early granted, but it was still a tight situation wherein such a thing would be way sub-optimal.

If we assume people pay attention when they're evil.

[TonyStarkPrime]

The vote thing was hilarious

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I'd like to know how people feel about Long Con's recent appeals to me, just at face value. Given that I am the one receiving feedback from LC, I am more susceptible to bias in my interpretations than any third observers.

[TonyStarkPrime]

I’m not willing to allow “FG played inefficiently, therefore FG is Town” to be an argument that has any merit.

[TonyStarkPrime]

I'd like to know how people feel about Long Con's recent appeals to me, just at face value. Given that I am the one receiving feedback from LC, I am more susceptible to bias in my interpretations than any third observers.

Remind me at like noon.

[Alison]

Conditional reads leave a lot of leeway for a mafioso to lay the foundation of mischops. For example, your previous/current confidence that Long Con is my mafia teammate leaves the table set for you to give me shit the moment he dies if he is your mafia teammate (or to exonerate him the moment I flip town by whatever means). That's an example that troubles me particularly given that the connection you drew was frivolous by comparison to the tone with which you expressed the read -- Long Con showing up and making a big stink about a mild suspicion I cast does not offer a compelling case that we're both mafia. I don't think your concerns about the interactions of FG and Hally were particularly compelling either. That may be more forgivable if FG is just a civilian here.

I don't find it to be a consistent or reliable hunting methodology without flips present either, so it's an appropriate avenue for fake reads. I know I've done these kinds of things myself as a mafioso, so I am wary.

The only read I've made that's dependent on a flip is my read on you as LC's possible buddy, so this entire post is wrong, sorry. All the things I pointed out are things that would be independently scummy. Whether or not you are town or scum, LC's melodrama is fake and fake is wolfy. And you're wrong about how it's not compelling. When scum makes a big stink about something, it means they really really want the town to know that they hold a certain position. I think the way LC went about it makes him a wolf, and the simplest and most compelling reason for a wolf to really really want the town to know that they were super against someone is if they're bussing. This is especially the case because both of you were attacking each other, so whoever flipped first would give the other cred. Please don't try to undermine my case by claiming it is frivolous when there is a solid logical foundation for me to make that read.

Also if you believed all of this stuff I have no clue why this is coming out only after FG voiced suspicion of me rather than coming out earlier.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I’m not willing to allow “FG played inefficiently, therefore FG is Town” to be an argument that has any merit.

I won't assume anyone is perfect or optimal. I do think these are points that need to be considered though.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

The only read I've made that's dependent on a flip is my read on you as LC's possible buddy, so this entire post is wrong, sorry. All the things I pointed out are things that would be independently scummy. Whether or not you are town or scum, LC's melodrama is fake and fake is wolfy. And you're wrong about how it's not compelling. When scum makes a big stink about something, it means they really really want the town to know that they hold a certain position. I think the way LC went about it makes him a wolf, and the simplest and most compelling reason for a wolf to really really want the town to know that they were super against someone is if they're bussing. This is especially the case because both of you were attacking each other, so whoever flipped first would give the other cred. Please don't try to undermine my case by claiming it is frivolous when there is a solid logical foundation for me to make that read.

Also if you believed all of this stuff I have no clue why this is coming out only after FG voiced suspicion of me rather than coming out earlier.

I think if I were presented with identical data about someone who is Not Me, I'd come to the opposite conclusion that you came to. I grant my own bias in the matter and would invite anyone else to speak their mind on it.

I don't think it's healthy or correct to play the game in a way that encourages undue paranoia. I am not going to go out of my way to case someone that I think is probably town on any Day 1 when I am trying my damndest to promote and sustain an environment where POE rules. I am careful with the climate of my game thread especially when I am a civilian because I know all too well how good things can devolve into bad things. And I felt pretty about Day 1.

Now we have new information, sort of, about FG. That means I need to re-orient my view of the game accordingly starting tonight. Sorting you is part of that.

[Alison]

I think if I were presented with identical data about someone who is Not Me, I'd come to the opposite conclusion that you came to. I grant my own bias in the matter and would invite anyone else to speak their mind on it.

I don't think it's healthy or correct to play the game in a way that encourages undue paranoia. I am not going to go out of my way to case someone that I think is probably town on any Day 1 when I am trying my damndest to promote and sustain an environment where POE rules. I am careful with the climate of my game thread especially when I am a civilian because I know all too well how good things can devolve into bad things. And I felt pretty about Day 1.

Now we have new information, sort of, about FG. That means I need to re-orient my view of the game accordingly starting tonight. Sorting you is part of that.

I don't mind you sorting me. If you want to say Alison is scum, I'm more than happy to engage with you on that. But I take objection to you misrepresenting my reads by saying that they're based on flips and therefore a house of cards. They aren't. You could flip any alignment right now and I'd still think what LC said made him look scummy.

I don't think I'm "encouraging undue paranoia" by pointing out what I think is obviously scummy behavior. If I think someone is probably town, and then they do something scummy, I'm going to think they're less probably town. It's as simple as that. Paranoia to me is randomly thinking that people are town for small things that aren't alignment indicative, or even for nothing at all just because you have a random hunch that they're a deepwolf. That is indeed incorrect and hostile to PoE-based play. But if you have a solid reason for thinking someone is scum, then pushing them isn't paranoia, it's just gamesolving.

[Alison]

I'm actually pretty annoyed by the way that EoD went and it might be causing a leak in my gamesolving. So I might come back in a couple of hours when I'm less annoyed.

(Before anyone says that this is alignment-indicative: I've written in a public chat that I despise chaotic EoDs regardless of alignment in the past.)

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I don't mind you sorting me. If you want to say Alison is scum, I'm more than happy to engage with you on that. But I take objection to you misrepresenting my reads by saying that they're based on flips and therefore a house of cards. They aren't. You could flip any alignment right now and I'd still think what LC said made him look scummy.

I'm not sure I understand the nature of some of your reads then. I'm not accustomed to seeing reads based upon interactions of some sort that aren't themselves associative reads.

I don't think I'm "encouraging undue paranoia" by pointing out what I think is obviously scummy behavior. If I think someone is probably town, and then they do something scummy, I'm going to think they're less probably town. It's as simple as that. Paranoia to me is randomly thinking that people are town for small things that aren't alignment indicative, or even for nothing at all just because you have a random hunch that they're a deepwolf. That is indeed incorrect and hostile to PoE-based play. But if you have a solid reason for thinking someone is scum, then pushing them isn't paranoia, it's just gamesolving.

I wouldn't say you've encouraged paranoia. You may recall on Day 1 when I suggested you and Tony were the "tinfoil" side of my POE pool in that I figured you were town but could make a case if I wanted to. These were the thoughts in my brain when I said that -- but I literally didn't want to make the case. There's a couple elements of history at work here too: 1) The Syndicate has not done a great job of adhering to POE-driven civilian play lately, so I feel a need to be delicate, and 2) my reads tend to have heavy influence for better or for worse. That means the situation can spiral quickly for people I case. I don't always want that. Perhaps I'm too careful in that way.

I'm sure you'll continue to do your thing. And that's super.

[Alison]

I’m not willing to allow “FG played inefficiently, therefore FG is Town” to be an argument that has any merit.

a) Mafia is likely to have limited uses of unexecutable (probably just one).

b) Mafia would not want to waste their unexecutable, because it is far more powerful when used in the late game than when frivolously thrown away.

c) Funnygurl is aware of b).

d) Funnygurl has played in a way that indicates that she doesn't care about throwing her unexecutable away.

e) This means that Funnygurl probably doesn't have limited use of unexecutable and is therefore town.

Which of these above statements do you disagree with?

[Alison]

I'm not sure I understand the nature of some of your reads then. I'm not accustomed to seeing reads based upon interactions of some sort that aren't themselves associative reads.

"X is way too confident that Y is [alignment] when they interact. Either X is a cop with a check on Y, or X is mafia with information about Y's alignment." (basically, TMI)

"X seems like they're faking their reactions when it comes to Y. The way they respond to Y's posts seems inauthentic and manipulative - I think X is scum."

These are two clear examples of of reads derived from interactions between two players that I think you will agree are perfectly legitimate. The second is actually kind of close to my read on LC. The only actual pre-flip associative read I have is my read that LC is bussing you, which is dependent on LC flipping wolf. Fair enough. We can set that aside for the moment and execute LC, and then I can look at his interactions with you with a fresh eye once he flips.

In general mafia is a game of interactions between players. Players don't make posts in a vacuum. They make those posts in response to and in the context of other people's posts. Probably 80+% of any player's posts in a game are them interacting with a player in some other way, whether it be by engaging with them, accusing them, responding to them, defending them, or so forth. (The remaining 20~% are stuff like entry posts, reads lists, and fluff.) Therefore, almost every read on a player in the game will be predicated upon reading them based on their interactions with others. What you are arguing against is pre-flip associatives, which is a read that is entirely dependent on someone's alignment. eg. "X's behavior isn't scummy by itself, but it is scummy if and only if Y is also scum." That is a shaky case because it is conditional upon Y's flip, and if Y doesn't flip the way you think they will, then the read comes crashing down. (And if Y does flip the way you think they will, it opens up the question about whether or not you knew Y's alignment from the start and are intentionally manipulating people's view on X once Y flips.) Once again, my reads on Hally, FG and LC are not like this.

I wouldn't say you've encouraged paranoia. You may recall on Day 1 when I suggested you and Tony were the "tinfoil" side of my POE pool in that I figured you were town but could make a case if I wanted to. These were the thoughts in my brain when I said that -- but I literally didn't want to make the case. There's a couple elements of history at work here too: 1) The Syndicate has not done a great job of adhering to POE-driven civilian play lately, so I feel a need to be delicate, and 2) my reads tend to have heavy influence for better or for worse. That means the situation can spiral quickly for people I case. I don't always want that. Perhaps I'm too careful in that way.

I'm sure you'll continue to do your thing. And that's super.

If you are town I think you should be transparent and honest with your thoughts. Not to say that you should claim your full role in your first post, but if you have a suspicion on someone, I encourage you to tell everyone about it the moment you have it. The more information town has, the more likely town is to succeed. If you're worried that people will make more of a deal out of it than you think they should (eg. if it's a minor thought and you don't actually want that person run up), qualify your read by adding "so this is just a thing I noticed" at the start, and "all that said, I still think X is still broadly townie and I wouldn't want them voted up right now. I'm just leaving this here as a record of my thoughts" at the end. That stops the POE from disintegrating while allowing you to voice your thoughts in a clear and honest manner.

[Alison]

that last post's formatting was fucked up. let me try again

[Alison]

I'm not sure I understand the nature of some of your reads then. I'm not accustomed to seeing reads based upon interactions of some sort that aren't themselves associative reads.

"X is way too confident that Y is [alignment] when they interact. Either X is a cop with a check on Y, or X is mafia with information about Y's alignment." (basically, TMI)

"X seems like they're faking their reactions when it comes to Y. The way they respond to Y's posts seems inauthentic and manipulative - I think X is scum."

These are two clear examples of of reads derived from interactions between two players that I think you will agree are perfectly legitimate. The second is actually kind of close to my read on LC. The only actual pre-flip associative read I have is my read that LC is bussing you, which is dependent on LC flipping wolf. Fair enough. We can set that aside for the moment and execute LC, and then I can look at his interactions with you with a fresh eye once he flips.

In general mafia is a game of interactions between players. Players don't make posts in a vacuum. They make those posts in response to and in the context of other people's posts. Probably 80+% of any player's posts in a game are them interacting with a player in some other way, whether it be by engaging with them, accusing them, responding to them, defending them, or so forth. (The remaining 20~% are stuff like entry posts, reads lists, and fluff.) Therefore, almost every read on a player in the game will be predicated upon reading them based on their interactions with others. What you are arguing against is pre-flip associatives, which is a read that is entirely dependent on someone's alignment. eg. "X's behavior isn't scummy by itself, but it is scummy if and only if Y is also scum." That is a shaky case because it is conditional upon Y's flip, and if Y doesn't flip the way you think they will, then the read comes crashing down. (And if Y does flip the way you think they will, it opens up the question about whether or not you knew Y's alignment from the start and are intentionally manipulating people's view on X once Y flips.) Once again, my reads on Hally, FG and LC are not like this.

I wouldn't say you've encouraged paranoia. You may recall on Day 1 when I suggested you and Tony were the "tinfoil" side of my POE pool in that I figured you were town but could make a case if I wanted to. These were the thoughts in my brain when I said that -- but I literally didn't want to make the case. There's a couple elements of history at work here too: 1) The Syndicate has not done a great job of adhering to POE-driven civilian play lately, so I feel a need to be delicate, and 2) my reads tend to have heavy influence for better or for worse. That means the situation can spiral quickly for people I case. I don't always want that. Perhaps I'm too careful in that way.

I'm sure you'll continue to do your thing. And that's super.

If you are town I think you should be transparent and honest with your thoughts. Not to say that you should claim your full role in your first post, but if you have a suspicion on someone, I encourage you to tell everyone about it the moment you have it. The more information town has, the more likely town is to succeed. If you're worried that people will make more of a deal out of it than you think they should (eg. if it's a minor thought and you don't actually want that person run up), qualify your read by adding "so this is just a thing I noticed" at the start, and "all that said, I still think X is still broadly townie and I wouldn't want them voted up right now. I'm just leaving this here as a record of my thoughts" at the end. That stops the POE from disintegrating while allowing you to voice your thoughts in a clear and honest manner.

[Alison]

Anyone who thinks they run the risk of being nightkilled (eg. if you're widely townread) should leave a legacy post before the end of the night phase. It doesn't have to be a reads list, it can be anything you want, or general sentiments that you think the town should follow ("trust the towncore!"). This isn't to say that we'll just blindly sheep your legacy, especially because the mafia could have killed you specifically to get us to trust your (wrong) reads, but it's definitely important information to take into account. Knowing what someone who is confirmed to be town and is trying their best to solve the game deems to be important is a crucial bit of information.

[sabie12]

I'm sorry I was so exhausted and fell asleep as soon as i got home and missed everything.

[sabie12]

Okay so day ended early unexpectedly so I may have missed it anyway. Is it confirmed to be host error or is someone just saying that? I know there was a game where mafia was given the power to end the day early so however the poll was at that time it would be in their favor. If that were the case it could have either been an fg teammate who knew they wouldn't die or someone who didn't know fg had that power and was hoping to save themselves.

[sabie12]

FG is very adamant that she is protecting LC somehow but if they're not teammates then why?

is it always town? yeah probably, could just be a great given fake claim, not sure how those were distributed not going to think about it. Play the game, not the host and all that.

i mean, it literally cant be a fake claim because we just saw its very real

Why can't it be a fake claim? As in like yes she didn't die but it doesn't mean for sure she is town. It almost sounded like she was claiming 3p before she said oh no no I'm town guys don't worry.

[sabie12]

In the rules it says 3p that are a threat to town have to also be eliminated. And it also mentions a cult. He could be just throwing that in there to mess with us but connections between players can end up happening if they get recruited into a cult. Just a random thought of what if FG were a 3p cult leader type role and maybe was planning on recruiting LC. shrug I don't know probably too crazy of a theory, but as alison said it doesn't hurt to throw out random thoughts even if they may not make sense. And if someone already said something like this I may have missed it amongst the million posts so far.

[Long Con]

alison was frozen

That was very clear for quite some time before the yeet.

Explain to me why scum Alison is frozen there. If you are town as you claim and I am a wolf all I have to do is go "Jack gave all mafia fakeclaims. I don't believe your claim. Bye!" and keep it up. I didn't post during EoD because there was a lot of chaotic nonsense, I said what I wanted to say ("I don't believe the claim, LC is scum") and then the host locked the thread.

But I don't think you're scum.

[Millium]

why did i agree to play this game

weh

same

[Millium]

I don't believe that lynchproof claim, but I also don't want to see another no-lynch...

[Millium]

is it always town? yeah probably, could just be a great given fake claim, not sure how those were distributed not going to think about it. Play the game, not the host and all that.

Is it always town?
Why, would it be

could just be a great given fake claim
How is it a fake claim?

Funny played that terribly by reducing the information we were able to attain, I'd take a possible mislynch over what we just saw.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Okay so day ended early unexpectedly so I may have missed it anyway. Is it confirmed to be host error or is someone just saying that? I know there was a game where mafia was given the power to end the day early so however the poll was at that time it would be in their favor. If that were the case it could have either been an fg teammate who knew they wouldn't die or someone who didn't know fg had that power and was hoping to save themselves.

Read the host posts, he said it was his error

[Long Con]

[mention]JaggedJimmyJay[/mention] Ok, I'm not going to harp any more about what I believe you should have already known. My bad for assuming. I look instead to the future, here are a few examples from recent games that make my point.

Spoiler: show

This is how I develop my suspicions. I can read twenty pages of Mafia, and every post can be "Well, they could say that as town or scum, I don't know." Even when other players are calling out "town posts" and "scum posts" all over the place, most of them are wrong or lucky in the early game, in my opinion.

I'm not a very heavy day one player because I don't have a handle on who's bullshitting and who's not yet. I'm usually one of the lower posters in the early game.

If I am going to put effort in, it's usually mid-game. My early game is not that dense.

Long Con - The king of the Short Post this game is Long Con. His early ISO is filled with one-liners. I don't know what that means.

I think that's my usual MO.

Just what was on my mind when I read Dom.

Do you have a read on him now? Or any reads?

Not yet, no.

[Long Con]

If you could consider this when considering my alignment in the future, it might give you keener insight into reading me.

[Funnygurl555]

@Funnygurl555 can you claim your flavor please?

like my character?

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

@Funnygurl555 can you claim your flavor please?

like my character?

Yeh

[sabie12]

is it always town? yeah probably, could just be a great given fake claim, not sure how those were distributed not going to think about it. Play the game, not the host and all that.

Is it always town?
Why, would it be

could just be a great given fake claim
How is it a fake claim?

Funny played that terribly by reducing the information we were able to attain, I'd take a possible mislynch over what we just saw.

If they in fact are unlynchable then it makes less sense they would be mafia, if of course the claim is legitimate. I think its possible FG could be a 3p role though. I think there could be part of the claim that is fake as in whether or not it's unlimited. It could be a one shot deal or something.

[Millium]

is it always town? yeah probably, could just be a great given fake claim, not sure how those were distributed not going to think about it. Play the game, not the host and all that.

Is it always town?
Why, would it be

could just be a great given fake claim
How is it a fake claim?

Funny played that terribly by reducing the information we were able to attain, I'd take a possible mislynch over what we just saw.

If they in fact are unlynchable then it makes less sense they would be mafia, if of course the claim is legitimate. I think its possible FG could be a 3p role though. I think there could be part of the claim that is fake as in whether or not it's unlimited. It could be a one shot deal or something.

ya if the claim is true, them being a wolf is impossible

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Guys

I’m telling you I’ve seen syndicate games where mafia had a role that made them un-TKable

So there is no “if this claim is real it makes them locked town”

[Long Con]

is it always town? yeah probably, could just be a great given fake claim, not sure how those were distributed not going to think about it. Play the game, not the host and all that.

Is it always town?
Why, would it be

could just be a great given fake claim
How is it a fake claim?

Funny played that terribly by reducing the information we were able to attain, I'd take a possible mislynch over what we just saw.

If they in fact are unlynchable then it makes less sense they would be mafia, if of course the claim is legitimate. I think its possible FG could be a 3p role though. I think there could be part of the claim that is fake as in whether or not it's unlimited. It could be a one shot deal or something.

ya if the claim is true, them being a wolf is impossible

But funnygurl being a 1-shot yeet survivor is quite possible.

[Long Con]

Meaning as a wolf.

[Hally]

i dont think characters are tied to alignments daisy

Someone who claimed miller flat out said, their character was "kind of an asshole"

Also, it's not uncommon on our site.

That said, I won't disregard what you say completely, because I don't recall if I've played a Jack game before.

you could be correct. i have no idea

[Funnygurl555]

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@Funnygurl555 can you claim your flavor please?

like my character?

Yeh

[Hally]

what's also informative is that 4 people left their votes on lc despite a claim, which is the mechanically incorrect thing to do. as nanook pointed out, voting for me was also a bad move since me and lc are linked for some reason. then we have sprit, who people were scum reading anyways. y'all let him live

i was gonna keep mum but y'all are just... NOT headed in the right direction lmfao

i think alison's scum btw. telling eod

He didn't claim shit and everyone being so willing to get off his wagon the moment he even hinted at having a power role is way more telling. Either hard claim or get out. If he is town then mafia know his hinting at a PR is truthful and will shoot him anyway, so he loses nothing by telling the truth.

yeah, and like... if scum have fake roles to claim he could just be claiming that? everyone in this game probably has some kind of role so like... if we never yeet anyone who claims anything we will never yeet anyone